Basset .....LOWE DOES INTERFERE

[saintjay77]

I thought I was missing something, as this post is exactly what I made of the whole thing and I just don't fully understand the scale of the reaction on here.

 

cause some people dont like lowe and anything they can grab on to to make there point they do.

 

I dont like lowe but cant see him doing much else that most other chairmen do at there clubs.

[saintjay77]

How can Lowe leave as he is trying to protect his money.

 

Go into adminstration then he loses the lot, Thats why he came back and the reason why he sticks his paws into the football side is because the more young players in the more he can sell them on at a profit.

Come January anything worth selling to keep the banks happy will be sold.

The only way out of this mess is if someone buys the club out otherwise Rupert will sell and sell to project what's his.

 

How so sad that our great club is fallen ike this.

 

Are you argueing against yourself?

 

You say that he is selling to protect his investment or are you saying he will be selling to keep the banks happy?

 

Agree with your last point though as its the only way our fan base has a chance to unite and our club to move forward.

[John Smith]

And so, another snippet from an ex-employee, that is used as evidence to back up some claims (as it is out in the public domain) and pilloried by others for some sort of vengeance attack on a man that said ex-employee has held a grudge with for over 3 years and felt that now was the time?

 

For all of those that are in any doubt about what is or isn't the truth, all you need to do is look on the pitch, look at the bench (who is sub, who is manager, and who is missing) and then remind yourself that this is Rupert's club. No more, no less. He does it his way. All we have to do as fans is decide whether we agree or not.

 

The problem comes, as in my position, where you disagree with the way Rupert wants to do things and I feel so strongly that he is not 'playing the game' but a completely different one, that my, and others, 'only' recourse, is to not go anymore and to deprive Rupert of the mandate to rule on behalf of me.

 

If you are happy to have the Chairman of the PLC run the Football Club, in the manner that he does, turn up, donate your wages to the regime and give Lowe the mandate to rule.

 

One thing that is becoming very clear, very quickly this season, is that people, based on results, are more willing to turn their back on Rupert and deny him the satisfaction of growing in strength. And all the while he blatantly ignores the fleeing fans, the more he will alienate by sticking to his guns. The question, to Rupert, is who will crack first, him or the fans? Deliver success and they will return. However, his battle is not being fought in the boardroom, amongst the shareholders and the banks, but on the training pitch and on matchdays, this, whether Rupert thinks he can influence things, or not, it is not working.

 

All well and good putting youngsters in the shop window that have played with one another in the youth and the reserves, but when they are sold, the next crop wouldn't have built up that rapport, not built up their skills, not been out on loan to get used to 'real' football and will be even more inexperienced than the last lot. As this occurs, the value will get less and less and we won't be able to sell anyone for more than a few hundred thousand, certainly not millions.

 

As this continues, there will become a time when one of the 16 year olds will try one flick too many and a burly great CB will snap his legs, and that will be the end of possibly a great career. This worries me, and I think condoning this sort of exposure is throwing out boys against men, in a mens world. Stinks of child sweat shops in India to me, but like I said, the real tragedy of Rupert's decisions will only come to pass when one of these boys ends up in hospital (and no I don't mean the current lot, I mean the next generation that WILL be younger).

 

Support the Saints, support our kids, don't go and pay the paymaster to churn out what in footballing terms is tantamount to child labour.

[Long Shot]

Up until now I have been against a boycott.

Up to now I thought it right to get behind the young players who have at least tried to play decent football.

Up until now I have tried to ignore the fact that deep down I suspected Lowe was pulling the footballing strings. Gray first let the cat out of the bag, along with the Delgado signing and Bassett's words spoken, I think without malice is the last straw.

 

For me enough is enough and despite having a ST I am minded not go again while Lowe is, for all intents and purposes our manager. I cannot support the players and team he picks. I don't care if he makes good decisions the fundamental principle of a PLC Chairman directly meddling in team selection policies is wrong wrong wrong.

 

When he is either put back in his boardroom or he leaves then I will relent but not until.

[NickG]

if you give up your season ticket over these nothing comments you are mad.

 

if for other reasons -e.g. where we are now, the football, lack of optimism fair enough.

 

you are being over sensitive about these comments and niave if you thought anything different that chairman meeting with managers etc and wanting it their way.

 

Be interested if you do confirm you have given up your ticket

[PokingFun]

http://www.clubfanzine.com/southampton/v2.forum.topic.bythread.php?id_t=80006&piece=topic80006&id_categ=37

 

Talksport Danny Kelly and Dave Bassett show 2045ish mon 10th Nov

 

posted by patred

 

'Harry' Basset on Talksport tonight confirmed what most of us suspected.

Rupert Lowe does interfere in team affairs.

He was answering questions on relegation, in place of regular Stan Collymore.

When one phone-in fan asked about Southamptons chance of avoiding further relegation here is some of his comments.

Souhampton are very niave at the back, very exciting, very inexperienced.

But watching them all the other managers must be rubbing their hands together to play them.

Their manager seems to be niave as well, he hasn't come to terms with english football yet. To many youngsters all at the same time.

I know their chairman Rupert Lowe claim its cost cutting, but having experienced some time there with Harry Redknapp. I know he was always wanting us to play the young players.

Every week Harrys selection was picked over, every week Rupert Lowe insisted he included more youngsters, every week Harry resisted.

Whilst Harry and I were in charge that was not a problem however annoying it was. Then Rupert got two of his buddies involved, one from a non league club, one from another sport.

This was the end of Harry he walked as soon as an offer came in. I stayed for a while but could see how the wind was blowing.

Several ex Saints managers warned me not apply for Harrys job, because Rupert had always interfered in their job on the same lines.

In the end I was not offered the job, probably Rupert knew I would ignore his orders.

 

.......

Pretty damning IMO

 

http://www.clubfanzine.com/southampton/v2.forum.topic.bythread.php?id_t=80006&piece=re641487&id_categ=37

 

posted by Les Miserable on: 23:27 - 10/11/2008

 

 

i heard it too. Basset was quite unequivocal that even 3 yrs ago Lowe was telling Redknapp that he should pick the youngsters . This same plan was RL's 'vision' in our first season after relegation , when we still averaged around 24000 crowds and when we had 2 seasons of parachute money to come. Also bear in mind that when a few mths later HR had walked , Wotte has said that he was offered the job then before an 11th hour change of mind that gave it to Burley .

all of which blows out of the water the spin for the last few months that the current experiment has been forced on the club purely by current finances . Its been the plan all along and dates back years not months.

I'm sure quite a few regulars on here will dismiss Bassett , with countless promotions on his CV , as a dinosaur , 'old school etc ' and will argue against it but just ask yourselves this - there are probably around 50-60 league clubs who are also in financial difficulties - it isnt just SFC , not by a long way . why have virtually none of the others taken this path of total reliance on youth and a foreign coach ? you tell me

 

It probably was the plan all along to try to integrate the youngsters to reduce our cost base because even with the parachute payments it would appear that our income was not enough to cover the outgoings and we should never have spent the sort of money we did when the new board knew non promotion would be a disaster.

 

At the end of the day, Redknapp is not really one for bringing through youngsters anyway unless they are exceptional (e.g. Theo) and before anyone points to West Ham, he really did have exceptional talent there and would have been mad not to play Cole, Rio, Lampard etc.

 

The ethos of bringing youngsters through at St Marys is not a problem, but it's the sheer number we are trying to bring through that is the problem. There are so many that are simply not ready to be involved on more than an occasional basis and it is hurting us big time.

[NickG]

it has been too many agreed.

[Gordon Mockles]

Perspective

 

allegation is (not heard it but from first post) RL picked through HR team and wanted more younger players.

HR disagreed and RL did not therefore pick the team.

This clearly would be annoying.

Many on here moaned about the likes of Cranie, Blackstock leaving due to HR playing likes of Fuller etc.

Bassett was happy to work with CW.

Bassett was happy to work with Lowe -even having experienced this regime.

Bassett applied for the job

Bassett suggested a joint management team derided on here

Bassett was turned down.

A few years later Bassett says above in interview.

 

This is not the big issue for our club today!

 

Well you keep on pumping out your “Lowe’s not that bad” propaganda but I would suggest, judging by the reaction of a forum which is generally much quieter these days (another impact of Messrs Lowe and Wilde), many others would disagree. Just look at our season and how it has transpired thus far, following dozens and dozens or forum members and fans vociferously venting their disapproval from the onset, questioning Lowe’s actual role within the club and DOF status, amongst many other alarming rumours regarding transfers, coaching, managerial swaps, selection and overall control of the football squad (Despite official statements stipulating Mike Wilde was in charge of football matters).

 

Why do you so vehemently defend those that don’t merit your defence? I am a firm believer in, ‘you make your own bed, you lie in it!’ (so to speak). Ok, we have no firm proof but there is such a thing as “slander” and, I feel, Bassett would not speak out lies, for fear of reprisals from a man with a track record for suing those that attack his coloured reputation. Just because Lowe has returned and decided to close all avenues of communication, it does not exonerate him from criticism, especially judging by more recent history, his track record of sporting failure and constant reports of “tinkering” within our failing club. Football fans do not like an incompetent Chairman.

[aintforever]

It's just confirmed what most of us have feared all along, we are ****ed as long as this interfering moron remains in charge.

 

I just dispair at the "head in the sand" comments of some on here, Basset has no axe to grind with Lowe, he's been around the game long enough to not give a monkeys, he's just a ex-manager telling us how it is.

[NickG]

the OTT reaction by some make out that there has been a terrible allegation!

Read it again, and the other quotes from him I posted.

trouble is (speaking as working class socialist who desperately wanted Lowe out due to the bad name he gave our club etc) there is a lot of reverse snobbery on here.

The ridiclous comments about hockey and not knowing football etc. They are just because he is not a good working class lad!

I wanted him out. He went. It didn't get any better. He is back. He is publically quiet.

He is cutting costs -whether enough/too much don't have a clue.

[NickG]

It's just confirmed what most of us have feared all along, we are ****ed as long as this interfering moron remains in charge.

 

I just dispair at the "head in the sand" comments of some on here, Basset has no axe to grind with Lowe, he's been around the game long enough to not give a monkeys, he's just a ex-manager telling us how it is.

 

and saying he is happy to work in that regime! - and you could argue that he did have axe to grind as he and Wise thought the job was theirs -but don't think is spiteful, not even insulting!

 

I equally despair at the OTT Lowe is evil why did we turn down Allen head in the sand lot!

[saintjay77]

Well you keep on pumping out your “Lowe’s not that bad” propaganda but I would suggest, judging by the reaction of a forum which is generally much quieter these days (another impact of Messrs Lowe and Wilde), many others would disagree. Just look at our season and how it has transpired thus far, following dozens and dozens or forum members and fans vociferously venting their disapproval from the onset, questioning Lowe’s actual role within the club and DOF status, amongst many other alarming rumours regarding transfers, coaching, managerial swaps, selection and overall control of the football squad (Despite official statements stipulating Mike Wilde was in charge of football matters).

 

Why do you so vehemently defend those that don’t merit your defence? I am a firm believer in, ‘you make your own bed, you lie in it!’ (so to speak). Ok, we have no firm proof but there is such a thing as “slander” and, I feel, Bassett would not speak out lies, for fear of reprisals from a man with a track record for suing those that attack his coloured reputation. Just because Lowe has returned and decided to close all avenues of communication, it does not exonerate him from criticism, especially judging by more recent history, his track record of sporting failure and constant reports of “tinkering” within our failing club. Football fans do not like an incompetent Chairman.

 

I can see your point but IMO peoples hate for Lowe have blinded them from something quite simple.

 

What basset has said could have been said about any chairman. Wenger could say it about his board at Arsenal. He could be royaly hacked off at not being able to buy the worlds best players and have to make do with promising youngsters!!!

 

1st read and it comes accross as really bad but read it again and he really hasnt said much that isnt said elsewhere.

 

Yes teams are happy to play us as we are shakey at the back, wernt we last season too?

 

Lowe wants the team to intergrate the youth more and has done for some time. In fact we could afford to bring in more youth with better class experience before where as now we cant afford to keep the experience so have to flood the team with youth.

 

No-one likes our current state and I doubt there are many that like Lowe but people jumping up and down because a chairman wants his club run a certain way is a bit far fetched.

[Gemmel]

[Channon's Sideburns]

the OTT reaction by some make out that there has been a terrible allegation!

Read it again, and the other quotes from him I posted.

trouble is (speaking as working class socialist who desperately wanted Lowe out due to the bad name he gave our club etc) there is a lot of reverse snobbery on here.

The ridiclous comments about hockey and not knowing football etc. They are just because he is not a good working class lad!

I wanted him out. He went. It didn't get any better. He is back. He is publically quiet.

He is cutting costs -whether enough/too much don't have a clue.

 

OTT????

 

I would call blind approval of what appears to be occurring at SMS at the moment - NOW that is OTT.

 

And no, Bassett has not made an 'allegation' - why would he risk legal challenge from dear ol' Rupes by declaring this on NATIONAL RADIO if there wasn't truth in this? All of the 'non-disclosure' agreements, all the 'mutual consent' ******, it's clear for any sane Saints Fan to see....if you only open your eyes.

 

'He is publically quiet'. Why that's ok then - as long as he keeps quiet then he can do as he wishes...

 

Plus, the fact that NO-ONE knows whether he is cutting the costs enough or not is another reason to be concerned.

 

JUST HOW MUCH IS RUPERT BEING PAID DURING ALL THIS?

 

WHY IS WILDE 'IN BED' WITH THIS GUY?

 

WHY DOESN'T WILDE SHOW SOME KAHUNAS AND STAND UP TO LOWE OR SHIP OUT?

 

 

 

 

 

Sorry if that's OTT, but I love this club, it's in my veins and I am sick and tired of putting up with this sh1te.

[SOTONS EAST SIDE]

Up until now I have been against a boycott.

Up to now I thought it right to get behind the young players who have at least tried to play decent football.

Up until now I have tried to ignore the fact that deep down I suspected Lowe was pulling the footballing strings. Gray first let the cat out of the bag, along with the Delgado signing and Bassett's words spoken, I think without malice is the last straw.

 

For me enough is enough and despite having a ST I am minded not go again while Lowe is, for all intents and purposes our manager. I cannot support the players and team he picks. I don't care if he makes good decisions the fundamental principle of a PLC Chairman directly meddling in team selection policies is wrong wrong wrong.

 

When he is either put back in his boardroom or he leaves then I will relent but not until.

Long Shot i have been doing what you are continplating for over half the home games now. Lowe can keep my ST money, as i will not return while he and his cabal are at the club i love. Its heartbreaking for me not seeing the club i love and first saw in the 69/70 season, but i have set myself a principal and will not break it!

[rpb]

I just dispair at the "head in the sand" comments of some on here, Basset has no axe to grind with Lowe, he's been around the game long enough to not give a monkeys, he's just a ex-manager telling us how it is.

 

I am chairman of a local society which performs at the Nuffield - basically the director selects the cast but that doesn't stop me from making suggestions, I don't think I would be doing my job properly if I didn't. Mostly I am ignored but sometimes I have made him/her think about other possibilities. Is there a significant difference?

[JohnnyFartPants]

It's just confirmed what most of us have feared all along, we are ****ed as long as this interfering moron remains in charge.

 

I just dispair at the "head in the sand" comments of some on here, Basset has no axe to grind with Lowe, he's been around the game long enough to not give a monkeys, he's just a ex-manager telling us how it is.

 

I just despair at all the "Lowe is the anti Christ" comments on here, Bassett may have an axe to grind because none of us really know him or can vouch for his feelings about not getting the job, despite him being around the game a long time. He might not give a monkey's though, but I cannot report that as fact, just opinion. He is just an ex manager giving his opinion, which may or may not be fuelled with some bitterness.

[Gordon Mockles]

the OTT reaction by some make out that there has been a terrible allegation!

Read it again, and the other quotes from him I posted.

trouble is (speaking as working class socialist who desperately wanted Lowe out due to the bad name he gave our club etc) there is a lot of reverse snobbery on here.

The ridiclous comments about hockey and not knowing football etc. They are just because he is not a good working class lad!

I wanted him out. He went. It didn't get any better. He is back. He is publically quiet.

He is cutting costs -whether enough/too much don't have a clue.

 

No, most suspected as much but we hadn't anyone closer to those 'circles' speak out...those that weren't gagged!

 

As for the class comments, just put that down to silly comments getting caught up in the moment. I'm sure Rupert and co have a giggle at the "paying customers" (or not in recent times!) while he plays god (and the fans suffer at his misguided leadership!) Don't get caught up in the class comments, you're missing the point. There is ignorance between all factions in society, always has, always will be. Doesn't make it right, that's just life.

 

I think the more pressing issues of our football squad, selection, transfers, management, coaching & winning games are concerning the fans most!

[aintforever]

and saying he is happy to work in that regime! - and you could argue that he did have axe to grind as he and Wise thought the job was theirs -but don't think is spiteful, not even insulting!

 

I equally despair at the OTT Lowe is evil why did we turn down Allen head in the sand lot!

 

Basset's had more clubs than hot dinners, whilst none of us knows (or ever will) exactly what went on I am pretty confident Basset wouldn't be bothered to make up stuff just to get at Lowe.

[Topcat]

Basset has been at 10+ Clubs and Lowe was clearly the biggest meddler. Basset clearly regarded Lowe's actions as much much worse than any other Chairman he has had.

[aintforever]

I am chairman of a local society which performs at the Nuffield - basically the director selects the cast but that doesn't stop me from making suggestions, I don't think I would be doing my job properly if I didn't. Mostly I am ignored but sometimes I have made him/her think about other possibilities. Is there a significant difference?

 

Depends if you have sacked a perfectly good director to hire one that implements your suggestions.

[INFLUENCED.COM]

This is all rather dramatic, is anyone really I mean REALLY suprised by anything that has been said ?? Lowe will continue to play with the ball until a bigger boy comes and takes it off him, if no bigger boy fancies the challenge then he will keep his ball and kick it in what ever direction he wants to, because he can and feels he has the right to because noone else challenged him when he took the ball back off the 2 boys that took it off him, if a big enough boy comes along and wants the ball and demonstrates conviction for it, I am sure Lowe will willingly hand it over.

What alot of balls

[SOTONS EAST SIDE]

Basset's had more clubs than hot dinners, whilst none of us knows (or ever will) exactly what went on I am pretty confident Basset wouldn't be bothered to make up stuff just to get at Lowe.

As i said in my earlier post, i'm sure the Lowe- Luvvies will say Basset is bitter and twisted. But why wait 3 yrs to say something! perhaps he was waiting for the right question to be asked!lol or somebody called Lowe stood on his gerainiums and he's ******ed off! Keep kidding yourselfs Bassets being vindictive,or perhaps Crouch is behind it! YOU MUGS! Edited 11 November, 2008 by SOTONS EAST SIDE

[Saints67]

Once again I am shocked at the level of hatred for Rupert Lowe in this thread and many others. I cannot believe how many fans have refused to return to St. Mary's while he is control. I read this yesterday and thought straight away how come this woman can have such dignity in a tragedy yet there is such venomous hatred in some posts on this site.

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/suffolk/7719625.stm

 

This sentence in particular: -

 

"We're trying hard not to hate Luke McCormick at the moment, but people like David Norris are making it very difficult to do that."

 

If some on here can say they despise Lowe while this woman, who has had her two children taken from her, cannot hate then it is a very sad day indeed.

[NickG]

No, most suspected as much but we hadn't anyone closer to those 'circles' speak out...those that weren't gagged!

 

As for the class comments, just put that down to silly comments getting caught up in the moment. I'm sure Rupert and co have a giggle at the "paying customers" (or not in recent times!) while he plays god (and the fans suffer at his misguided leadership!) Don't get caught up in the class comments, you're missing the point. There is ignorance between all factions in society, always has, always will be. Doesn't make it right, that's just life.

 

I think the more pressing issues of our football squad, selection, transfers, management, coaching & winning games are concerning the fans most!

 

agree

[NickG]

This is all rather dramatic, is anyone really I mean REALLY suprised by anything that has been said ?? Lowe will continue to play with the ball until a bigger boy comes and takes it off him, if no bigger boy fancies the challenge then he will keep his ball and kick it in what ever direction he wants to, because he can and feels he has the right to because noone else challenged him when he took the ball back off the 2 boys that took it off him, if a big enough boy comes along and wants the ball and demonstrates conviction for it, I am sure Lowe will willingly hand it over.

What alot of balls

 

good analogy

[saintjay77]

Basset's had more clubs than hot dinners, whilst none of us knows (or ever will) exactly what went on I am pretty confident Basset wouldn't be bothered to make up stuff just to get at Lowe.

 

But did anyone listen to what he had to say when he was here?

 

Why should we all listen to him now?

 

If he came out and said Le-Tiss was a prize prat whoes ego was too big for the club would we all jump up and down having a hissy fit then?

[INFLUENCED.COM]

If he came out and said Le-Tiss was a prize prat whoes ego was too big for the club would we all jump up and down having a hissy fit then?

 

I would

[Channon's Sideburns]

Once again I am shocked at the level of hatred for Rupert Lowe in this thread and many others. I cannot believe how many fans have refused to return to St. Mary's while he is control. I read this yesterday and thought straight away how come this woman can have such dignity in a tragedy yet there is such venomous hatred in some posts on this site.

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/suffolk/7719625.stm

 

This sentence in particular: -

 

"We're trying hard not to hate Luke McCormick at the moment, but people like David Norris are making it very difficult to do that."

 

If some on here can say they despise Lowe while this woman, who has had her two children taken from her, cannot hate then it is a very sad day indeed.

 

I understand the point that you are trying to make here, but honestly - it's a totally different scenario.

 

With the McCormick issue, you are looking at two precious young lives taken away by an irresponsible individual who obviously lives in his own little bubble - INDEFENSIBLE

 

With Lowe and Saints you are looking at an individual, obviously living in his own misguided bubble - however I can see the important difference between the two scenarios.

 

Taking lives is completely different - trying to compare Saints fans despair with that obvious tragedy is slightly opportunistic in my view.

[Gordon Mockles]

the OTT reaction by some make out that there has been a terrible allegation!

 

He is cutting costs -whether enough/too much don't have a clue.

 

He is cutting the throat of our club - dramatic but true!

 

Lowe has cut costs but you didn't need to be small businessman of the year to implement that change. Half the under-performing players were on contracts due to expire anyway, before Lowe sold Davies, Safri, esq.

 

Yes, savings have been made. A drop in the ocean in football terms. But in implementing certain actions (selling the best players, swapping Pearson for the ill fated Dutch duo, Media black out, Closing Corners, Isolating the senior pros, etc.) he has also compounded greater financial concerns (a huge downturn in attendance - something has would have protracted just by coming back) while totally diluting the quality, having removed the back-bone from our squad (all players of experience [bar Skacel and Davies]) that may have got us out of this self-created mire!)

Edited 11 November, 2008 by Gordon Mockles
typo

[INFLUENCED.COM]

With Lowe and Saints you are looking at an individual' date=' obviously living in his own misguided bubble.[/quote']

 

And will stay that way until someone with a big enough pr1ck comes along to pop it

[ottery st mary]

 

Directors cars not up to much..

[saintjay77]

I would

 

lol i could have worded that a little better couldnt i?

[EastleighSoulBoy]

if you give up your season ticket over these nothing comments you are mad.

 

if for other reasons -e.g. where we are now, the football, lack of optimism fair enough.

 

you are being over sensitive about these comments and niave if you thought anything different that chairman meeting with managers etc and wanting it their way.

 

Be interested if you do confirm you have given up your ticket

 

Long Shot is not giving up his ticket over 'just these comments' but more like he explained and, probably, having got to the stage where, for him, enough is enough. He's not going to compromise his principles and fair play to the man.

[saintrich]

Of course Lowe would have wanted some of the younger players to play... lots of money was invested in the youth system, so if managers were ignoring the younger players, it would almost seem as though the academy was a waste of money and time.

 

Don't really see the problem tbf, as playing youngsters has seen us gain alot of profit (Bale, Walcott), so it was the right idea, just now we're playing too many youngsters in the XI and thats the problem.

[Gordon Mockles]

I can see your point but IMO peoples hate for Lowe have blinded them from something quite simple.

 

What basset has said could have been said about any chairman. Wenger could say it about his board at Arsenal. He could be royaly hacked off at not being able to buy the worlds best players and have to make do with promising youngsters!!!

 

1st read and it comes accross as really bad but read it again and he really hasnt said much that isnt said elsewhere.

 

Yes teams are happy to play us as we are shakey at the back, wernt we last season too?

 

Lowe wants the team to intergrate the youth more and has done for some time. In fact we could afford to bring in more youth with better class experience before where as now we cant afford to keep the experience so have to flood the team with youth.

 

No-one likes our current state and I doubt there are many that like Lowe but people jumping up and down because a chairman wants his club run a certain way is a bit far fetched.

 

I think you speak wise words but the mere return of Lowe itself split the fans base, as Duncan Holley and others so rightly suggested pre-season. It was failed from the start. It pains me to admit, many on here, including myself (not meant smugly) were correct in our predictions. I wish we were wrong. Truly I do.

 

Some ideas that Lowe has about the academy are good but there is too much animosity between him and the fans for success and Lowe makes no effort whatsoever to appease that disdain held by his customer, he doesn’t even acknowledge them (which I feel any community based chairmen should do). Opinions may vary on that statement.

 

Whilst the reaction by Saints fans (to a few, half-hearted words from an ex caretaker manager) may be strong, unsubstantiated and OTT, it clearly illustrates the precipice on which we dangle and the sheer passion and frustration, equally shared by the fans in these testing times. Maybe it’s minor but it “COULD” (and I use this word loosely) be ‘the straw that breaks the camel’s back’. I would think it would take more to move Lowe, continued slumps in attendance, poor results against Wolves and Reading leading to the telling barometer of a season - Xmas time. However, the bank has a level of control (to what extent I do not know) and it may be that Lowe’s pincer grip on Southampton FC is starting to slip. Many on here, myself included, would hope so.

[Fan The Flames]

is it just me but it doesn't seem that much of a revelation? Just read it again in case I missed something but it is not nearly the level of involvement accepted on here as the norm for Lowe

 

Priceless, you guys hide behind the fact that there is no evidence, when the evidence comes to light you claim it's not such a big deal.

 

It's black and white, as far as I'm concerned that's one rumour substantiated, lets get on and prove once and for all that this club will be better of if Lowe and the rest of the c*uts f*ck off forever.

[Chez]

arry should have played Walcott earlier and much more regulary. Perhaps Lowe was asking him to do so?

[hughieslastminutegoal]

I am chairman of a local society which performs at the Nuffield - basically the director selects the cast but that doesn't stop me from making suggestions, I don't think I would be doing my job properly if I didn't. Mostly I am ignored but sometimes I have made him/her think about other possibilities. Is there a significant difference?

 

The difference is "level 2 profesional football club" and "local society", I don't know say £10m+ pa.

[St Marco]

Perspective

 

allegation is (not heard it but from first post) RL picked through HR team and wanted more younger players.

HR disagreed and RL did not therefore pick the team.

This clearly would be annoying.

Many on here moaned about the likes of Cranie, Blackstock leaving due to HR playing likes of Fuller etc.

Bassett was happy to work with CW.

Bassett was happy to work with Lowe -even having experienced this regime.

Bassett applied for the job

Bassett suggested a joint management team derided on here

Bassett was turned down.

A few years later Bassett says above in interview.

 

This is not the big issue for our club today!

 

The critical flaw to this is that Lowe is a man who will defend himself if others bad mouth him. The fact Bassett has not been handed a writ for Libel/Defamation of character from Lowe nor have TalkSport (BBC) received anything would make it true. Lowe has taken many people to court over remarks about him, with this being the biggest damnation one of all you would expect him to keep to his trend.

 

Thus meaning your defence of Lowe has no legs to stand on.

[SaintRichmond]

cause some people dont like lowe and anything they can grab on to to make there point they do.

 

I dont like lowe but cant see him doing much else that most other chairmen do at there clubs.

 

 

 

You mean you are quite happy with the way he interfers and undermines whatever Manager is there .......... that he insists that HIS policy of playing a Team of Ypungsters at the expense of at least SOME experienced Street Wise Pro's ........

 

He COULD do something else ..... for a start he COULD at last realise that he is dealing with what us "Customers" go to St Mary's for ... TO WATCH SAINTS, OUR FOOTBALL TEAM

 

Lowe is 1000% PLC, is on record of stating that THAT is his job, working for the PLC ... NOT the Football side of things

 

Come EVERY transfer window, he will SELL SELL SELL any player he can .... just like a production line he thinks the Academy is

 

Are you telling me you are happy with that ???

[SOTONS EAST SIDE]

There's a difference between hating Lowe and hating what he has done to the club. But certain people cant see the difference due to their blind ignorance that posters only post because they hate Lowe nothing less!

[Frank's cousin]

And so, another snippet from an ex-employee, that is used as evidence to back up some claims (as it is out in the public domain) and pilloried by others for some sort of vengeance attack on a man that said ex-employee has held a grudge with for over 3 years and felt that now was the time?

 

For all of those that are in any doubt about what is or isn't the truth, all you need to do is look on the pitch, look at the bench (who is sub, who is manager, and who is missing) and then remind yourself that this is Rupert's club. No more, no less. He does it his way. All we have to do as fans is decide whether we agree or not.

 

The problem comes, as in my position, where you disagree with the way Rupert wants to do things and I feel so strongly that he is not 'playing the game' but a completely different one, that my, and others, 'only' recourse, is to not go anymore and to deprive Rupert of the mandate to rule on behalf of me.

 

If you are happy to have the Chairman of the PLC run the Football Club, in the manner that he does, turn up, donate your wages to the regime and give Lowe the mandate to rule.

 

One thing that is becoming very clear, very quickly this season, is that people, based on results, are more willing to turn their back on Rupert and deny him the satisfaction of growing in strength. And all the while he blatantly ignores the fleeing fans, the more he will alienate by sticking to his guns. The question, to Rupert, is who will crack first, him or the fans? Deliver success and they will return. However, his battle is not being fought in the boardroom, amongst the shareholders and the banks, but on the training pitch and on matchdays, this, whether Rupert thinks he can influence things, or not, it is not working.

 

All well and good putting youngsters in the shop window that have played with one another in the youth and the reserves, but when they are sold, the next crop wouldn't have built up that rapport, not built up their skills, not been out on loan to get used to 'real' football and will be even more inexperienced than the last lot. As this occurs, the value will get less and less and we won't be able to sell anyone for more than a few hundred thousand, certainly not millions.

 

As this continues, there will become a time when one of the 16 year olds will try one flick too many and a burly great CB will snap his legs, and that will be the end of possibly a great career. This worries me, and I think condoning this sort of exposure is throwing out boys against men, in a mens world. Stinks of child sweat shops in India to me, but like I said, the real tragedy of Rupert's decisions will only come to pass when one of these boys ends up in hospital (and no I don't mean the current lot, I mean the next generation that WILL be younger).

 

Support the Saints, support our kids, don't go and pay the paymaster to churn out what in footballing terms is tantamount to child labour.

 

JS

 

Whilst we may disagree on many things, I think this is by far the BEST and most balanced post from the 'stay away' perspective/POV. I just wish all those on your side of the debate posted in such an intelligent way as I believe then the debate could be had in the good spirit that does exist between the vast majority of fans, despite differing opinions.

 

I would argue that consistently Lowe' biggest mistkaes are IMHO, not the things he has tried, or the strategy he has hoped will work - I believe in trying new things - but in his inabilty to admit he got it wrong and above all LISTEN to his customers - whether I agree with staying away, or with the idea of kids and 'total football' or not, or even if I believe the cost cutting is necessary and thus so is the need to use youth.... is frankly irrelevent - In this case my opinion in being generally supportive of the princilple of youth development at a time when we are skint - and of going as often as I can - counts for nothing, because the facts remain that no matter what arguments are put forward, gates are falling and so are revenues at the very time we need it most.

 

I am prepared to say that LOWE NEEDS TO WAKE UP AND LISTEN TO THE FANS, THE CUSTOMERS, SWALLOW HIS PRIDE AND ADMIT THAT SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE TO IMPROVE THE SITUATION because the loss of revenue and support on match days will only increase our problems.

 

If he believes in Jan, give him some support, if he cant see that just kids is relegation form, then surely those around him need to stand up and be counted and point out the bleedin obvious whilst we still have time on our side - when in the mire the season is very short and the games run out very quickly.

 

I am sympathetic to the ideals of the strategy, I very idea that if by some bloody miracle the kids keep us up and we keep the side together, they would be all the stronger next season, but that is wishful thinking, even if a sound ideal. The reality is a lot harsher and Lowe if he really does want tis club to progress (and his equity rise) needs to start to LISTEN.

[ottery st mary]

I am chairman of a local society which performs at the Nuffield - basically the director selects the cast but that doesn't stop me from making suggestions, I don't think I would be doing my job properly if I didn't. Mostly I am ignored but sometimes I have made him/her think about other possibilities. Is there a significant difference?

 

rpb........So you are a real luvvie....Can I call you Dahling

 

 

Dickey.

 

 

Only jokin rpb I am just an old ham at heart.....Bet you have heard them all before.

[solentstars]

There's a difference between hating Lowe and hating what he has done to the club. But certain people cant see the difference due to their blind ignorance that posters only post because they hate Lowe nothing less!

i agree it would be nice to see postive support for the manager and the team who give their all.they have had great support from the 14,000 who have been to the match,s so far.

all its seem to be is negative nonsense of attacking our own players and manager from the same people on the forum.

its the same rubbish spouted out last season against the players,burley and pearson.

unless someone comes in with money we are stuck with that **** lowe and nothing we say on here will change that.

[Carlos Fandango]

Nobody wanted Bassett within 10 miles of our club before. Who cares what he says he's a nob.

[saintjay77]

You mean you are quite happy with the way he interfers and undermines whatever Manager is there .......... that he insists that HIS policy of playing a Team of Ypungsters at the expense of at least SOME experienced Street Wise Pro's ........

 

He COULD do something else ..... for a start he COULD at last realise that he is dealing with what us "Customers" go to St Mary's for ... TO WATCH SAINTS, OUR FOOTBALL TEAM

 

Lowe is 1000% PLC, is on record of stating that THAT is his job, working for the PLC ... NOT the Football side of things

 

Come EVERY transfer window, he will SELL SELL SELL any player he can .... just like a production line he thinks the Academy is

 

Are you telling me you are happy with that ???

 

Where is it stated that he Interfears and undermines his managers? His policy of playing youngsters was just a suggestion back when we could afford a half decent team to bring them into and has become a policy since the banks became the decission makers in all things financial.

 

I dont have a clue what your ona about in your second point so ill move on .............

 

Yes Lowe is the PLC chairman and it is his job to make the shareholders happy. Right now if the club goes into Administration then the shareholders wont be best pleased so its not in his interest for that to happen. it is also not in his interest for us to be relegated or to sell all of our players so he has to ballence all of that with trying to keep a team that has a chance of survival and making enough revenue to, a) keep us from going into adminitration and b) keep the shareholders happy.

 

Come the transfer window he will be forced to sell for 1 reason.

 

The bank will tell us how much money they want back so we will sell to find that ammount.

 

in a nut shell and rightly or wrongly how much the bank want back come the transfer window is down to us. if we stay away for what ever reason the bank will want more money. if we could fill the stadium each week they would want less as they would have been getting the debt down throughout the season. Now if we dont turn up and the bank take more which means even our better kids are also out of the door then less of us will turn up next season and so on so the bank will lead us to admin as long as we stay away.

 

I dont call that supporting lowe I call that supporting our club and no i am not happy with it but no matter who is in charge we are in the same boat so have a word with yourself and deal with the actual issues rather than your dislike of some nobby at the top.

[slickmick]

the OTT reaction by some make out that there has been a terrible allegation!

Read it again, and the other quotes from him I posted.

trouble is (speaking as working class socialist who desperately wanted Lowe out due to the bad name he gave our club etc) there is a lot of reverse snobbery on here.

The ridiclous comments about hockey and not knowing football etc. They are just because he is not a good working class lad!

I wanted him out. He went. It didn't get any better. He is back. He is publically quiet.

He is cutting costs -whether enough/too much don't have a clue.

 

 

Your tarring everyone who disapproves of Bassetts comments about Lowe with the same brush.

To some, its not about a class issue or his football/ hockey knowledge.

For me, I was not opposed to his return, because as you say, it didn't work for the other guys either. I don't soley blame him for our relegation either.

I have accepted that his cost cutting measures are probably required to some extent.

I fully understand and agree with the idea that some youngsters should be breaking into the first team.

But I totally disagree with the Idea of him picking the team, or having any influence on team matters. This just adds more weight to the rumour that he has told DMG that he is our first choice striker.

How many others are of his choice ?

If this is the case, which is now looking probable, then he can be the one and only to blame for our position in the league.

I've always disliked Harry Redknapp, but who the hell could put up with some rookie looking over your shoulder all the time and telling you how you should do your job ?

I would really like to know if Jan could do better under different leadership.

[Long Shot]

JS

 

Whilst we may disagree on many things, I think this is by far the BEST and most balanced post from the 'stay away' perspective/POV. I just wish all those on your side of the debate posted in such an intelligent way as I believe then the debate could be had in the good spirit that does exist between the vast majority of fans, despite differing opinions.

 

I would argue that consistently Lowe' biggest mistkaes are IMHO, not the things he has tried, or the strategy he has hoped will work - I believe in trying new things - but in his inabilty to admit he got it wrong and above all LISTEN to his customers - whether I agree with staying away, or with the idea of kids and 'total football' or not, or even if I believe the cost cutting is necessary and thus so is the need to use youth.... is frankly irrelevent - In this case my opinion in being generally supportive of the princilple of youth development at a time when we are skint - and of going as often as I can - counts for nothing, because the facts remain that no matter what arguments are put forward, gates are falling and so are revenues at the very time we need it most.

 

I am prepared to say that LOWE NEEDS TO WAKE UP AND LISTEN TO THE FANS, THE CUSTOMERS, SWALLOW HIS PRIDE AND ADMIT THAT SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE TO IMPROVE THE SITUATION because the loss of revenue and support on match days will only increase our problems.

 

If he believes in Jan, give him some support, if he cant see that just kids is relegation form, then surely those around him need to stand up and be counted and point out the bleedin obvious whilst we still have time on our side - when in the mire the season is very short and the games run out very quickly.

 

I am sympathetic to the ideals of the strategy, I very idea that if by some bloody miracle the kids keep us up and we keep the side together, they would be all the stronger next season, but that is wishful thinking, even if a sound ideal. The reality is a lot harsher and Lowe if he really does want tis club to progress (and his equity rise) needs to start to LISTEN.

 

 

Only last week you were claiming Lowe doesn't get involved in football matters. I think Bassett has made your assertions of last week a bit silly, Frank.

[Mole]

Only last week you were claiming Lowe doesn't get involved in football matters. I think Bassett has made your assertions of last week a bit silly, Frank.

 

Listen to the lyrics of the Luvvies song and it all becomes clear.

 

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=0auCDOERZyE