Current Squad - Who do we keep?

[Lighthouse]

Someone had to say it sooner or later. IMO:

 

Keep

Davis, Richardson, Fonte, Hooiveld, Fox, Martin, Lallana, Cork, Morgan, Chaplow, Lambert, Sharp, Lee - All fairly obvious

 

Undecided

Bart - He's put in some decent performances, but I'm doubt he is Prem material. Keepers take time to trust their back 4 and vice vera, just look at De Gea.

Butters - Solid and experienced. Also aging and I'd say Champ was his level. Would like a new RB so one of them has to go.

De Ridder - I like him and he's a good option, but for whatever reason he hasn't done it yet. A loan out maybe.

Guly - Blows hot and cold. We need to lose 2 or 3 strikers, he'd probably be 1 of them, but I'd expect him to stay.

Barnard - Doubt he is Prem material, but was as good as Lambert last time he was fit. Loan him down to the NpC till Xmas, then decide.

Hammond - A good captain and our leader. Expect him to stay because of that but I think he will be found wanting for tallent in the Prem.

Puncheon - Has the tallent, looked good at Blackpool. Aside from today's dancing he hasn't done much since coming back.

 

Out

Connolly, Harding, Dickson, Seaborne, Jaidi, Forecast (if only), Holmes, Forte - Again, all fairly obvious

Edited 29 April, 2012 by Lighthouse

[Nigel=God-Poyet=Sod]

I would keep Harding as cover at left back because he has played a major part for us in the last few years.

 

You cannot seriously be saying that we should offload Guly and Hammond in the summer, both of who started todays game?

 

I know teams need to evolve but I would feel somewhat sad if the summer brings a lot of departures for players who have contributed and helped us get promoted this season and last.

 

Obviously signings need to be made, but nothing too major this summer.

[Ohio Saint]

This is a perfectly reasonable thread to post.

 

I just hope the lesser players don't read it as they trawl the internet for everything related to their win (Just as we do)

 

In all fairness, they are probably more professioanal than I would be in a similar situation!

[Panda]

We have had thirty 'senior' professionals on the books for this sewason and I expect ten will leave one way or another over the coming weeks as they are surplus to requirements:

 

Radhi Jiadi; Jonathon Forte; David Connolly; Ryan Dickson; Lee Holmes; Danny Seaborne; Ben Reeves; Ryan Doble; Jason Puncheon and Tommy Forecast!

 

That will leave twenty to form the basis going forward maintaining continuity and team ethos, etc.

 

I believe we have to name a 25 man squad for the prem? That means five in:

 

2nd choice keeper (Bart becomes third)

Central defender

Left midfielder

Central midfielder

Right midfielder

 

Sadly, I am not sure any of the current development squad is ready to take any of those five spaces, a year or so too early for them perhaps, so that means buying in five new faces and that is something that can be successfully done without too much difficulty in integration. None of the ten going will be greatly missed in the dressing room as they have hardly figured this year for one reason or another.

 

Of course, one or two of the twenty 'retainees' may decide to leave of their own accord if they think their opportunities will be limited; Steve de Ridder for example or Lee Barnard both both are on longish contracts but may choose to seek a new opportunity elsewhere.

 

I seem to recall that in our squad of twenty five there are some requirements to name 'home grown' players. Players who have been on the clubs books for a while and are under a certain age? MLG will know and can put us in the picture! I would guess that Adam Lalana, Morgan Schniederlin, Aaron Martin and Bartosz Bailkowski would help towards these requirements otherwise we might have to consider keeping Ben Reeves or promote someone from the development squad.

 

Overall, given Nigel's assertion that the squad will evolve, then ten surplus out and five in seems like a manageable evolution: but we will see!!!

[alpine_saint]

This is a perfectly reasonable thread to post.

 

 

Within 24 hours of the successful conclusion of this promotion campaign and before the celebratory hangovers have even worn off ?

 

Its pathetic. Personally, I feel sad that a few of the players who helped get us here will be making way for others. And I think such hasty discussion of this is untimely and the OP should feel guilty, especially as he is one of my sharpest critics about negativity and never being satisfied.

[Chez]

Within 24 hours of the successful conclusion of this promotion campaign and before the celebratory hangovers have even worn off ?

 

Its pathetic. Personally, I feel sad that a few of the players who helped get us here will be making way for others. And I think such hasty discussion of this is untimely and the OP should feel guilty, especially as he is one of my sharpest critics about negativity and never being satisfied.

give over, doubt there was a single post match conversation that didn't discuss who would and wouldn't be good enough in the Prem.

[alpine_saint]

give over, doubt there was a single post match conversation that didn't discuss who would and wouldn't be good enough in the Prem.

 

Yeah, right; if I had started this thread, you would have all been jumping down my throat.

 

Double standards...

[Tokyo-Saint]

We have had thirty 'senior' professionals on the books for this sewason and I expect ten will leave one way or another over the coming weeks as they are surplus to requirements:

 

Radhi Jiadi; Jonathon Forte; David Connolly; Ryan Dickson; Lee Holmes; Danny Seaborne; Ben Reeves; Ryan Doble; Jason Puncheon and Tommy Forecast!

 

That will leave twenty to form the basis going forward maintaining continuity and team ethos, etc.

 

I believe we have to name a 25 man squad for the prem? That means five in:

 

2nd choice keeper (Bart becomes third)

Central defender

Left midfielder

Central midfielder

Right midfielder

 

Sadly, I am not sure any of the current development squad is ready to take any of those five spaces, a year or so too early for them perhaps, so that means buying in five new faces and that is something that can be successfully done without too much difficulty in integration. None of the ten going will be greatly missed in the dressing room as they have hardly figured this year for one reason or another.

 

Of course, one or two of the twenty 'retainees' may decide to leave of their own accord if they think their opportunities will be limited; Steve de Ridder for example or Lee Barnard both both are on longish contracts but may choose to seek a new opportunity elsewhere.

 

I seem to recall that in our squad of twenty five there are some requirements to name 'home grown' players. Players who have been on the clubs books for a while and are under a certain age? MLG will know and can put us in the picture! I would guess that Adam Lalana, Morgan Schniederlin, Aaron Martin and Bartosz Bailkowski would help towards these requirements otherwise we might have to consider keeping Ben Reeves or promote someone from the development squad.

 

Overall, given Nigel's assertion that the squad will evolve, then ten surplus out and five in seems like a manageable evolution: but we will see!!!

 

I don't think player under a certain age need to be named in the squad (I think it's 21 years old), therefore there would be no need to name any of the development squad in the 25 so if someone does start to shows signs of being ready for the first team, we could put them right in. I agree with most of what you wrote but think it was a bit hard on Reeves who looks a good player. I think a loan to a league 1 or championship team would help his development next season. I could be miles off but he reminds me of a young Lallana around the time he went on loan to Bournemouth.

[sammysaint]

We have had thirty 'senior' professionals on the books for this sewason and I expect ten will leave one way or another over the coming weeks as they are surplus to requirements:

 

Radhi Jiadi; Jonathon Forte; David Connolly; Ryan Dickson; Lee Holmes; Danny Seaborne; Ben Reeves; Ryan Doble; Jason Puncheon and Tommy Forecast!

 

 

Agree with that list add Lee Banard, and loan out JWP Martin Bart and maybe SDR, add in 3 1st team players and also 2 back up players.

[Lighthouse]

Within 24 hours of the successful conclusion of this promotion campaign and before the celebratory hangovers have even worn off ?

 

Its pathetic. Personally, I feel sad that a few of the players who helped get us here will be making way for others. And I think such hasty discussion of this is untimely and the OP should feel guilty, especially as he is one of my sharpest critics about negativity and never being satisfied.

 

I don't normally respond to your posts, but just to clarify this isn't a negative thread. Everybody knows some players are going to have to leave to bring others in. When Adkins talked about the squad evolving yesterday, he didn't mean we're going to sign 5-10 players and have 40 odd senior players on the books because we're a big happy family and nobody leaves.

 

Players like Holmes, Forte, Dickson etc. are probably well aware they wont get a game in the Prem, they aren't idiots. Even fringe players like Harding and Barnard have probably had their agents on the phone asking if they want to look for options elsewhere. We will need to bring in players to survive in the Prem and we will need to lose a couple more than that to makwe room for them.

[alpine_saint]

I don't normally respond to your posts, but just to clarify this isn't a negative thread. Everybody knows some players are going to have to leave to bring others in. When Adkins talked about the squad evolving yesterday, he didn't mean we're going to sign 5-10 players and have 40 odd senior players on the books because we're a big happy family and nobody leaves.

 

Players like Holmes, Forte, Dickson etc. are probably well aware they wont get a game in the Prem, they aren't idiots. Even fringe players like Harding and Barnard have probably had their agents on the phone asking if they want to look for options elsewhere. We will need to bring in players to survive in the Prem and we will need to lose a couple more than that to makwe room for them.

 

I agree completely with everything you wrote, and it is a worthy discussion to have down the line when the after glow of yesterday has worn off.

 

I just think for the sake of the players whose career at SFC is coming to an end, that it would have been diplomatic to let them enjoy their moment for a while before we write them off.

[Suomi Saint]

I agree with Alpine - not the time to be discussing this. Disrespectful to the wonderful players that have got us promoted....except Forecast!

[Stepgar]

You may find that certain players suit different leagues. I can see people like punch and SDR tearing up the left and right flanks in all honesty.

 

The leagues outside the prem are pretty much brutal with no time andd space which is what wingers need. I believe that they will get this in the prem. so let's not be too hasty in choosing who to get shot of.

[Glasgow_Saint]

Alpine is just pished off that he didnt start the thread!!!

[RobM]

As much as we would all like to dream otherwise, it's a reality of promotion that some players will move on and others will come in. Just look at the promoted teams from last season to see that, they all had to do the same.

 

I think the OP's summary of the definite In's and Out's is about right. I do think we will and should keep Guly and Hammond. I think Guly will be more suited to the Prem' than Hammond, but both deserve a chance to prove themselves. Same with Punch, he has Prem experience and did OK, so might be worth keeping around.

 

For me, RB and LB are two key areas to strengthen, as well as cover at CB. I think we need some pace in attack (not necessarily the strikers themselves) and I think a CM with Prem experience will help solidify the team. Otherwise, we're not in a bad place.

[egg]

I agree completely with everything you wrote, and it is a worthy discussion to have down the line when the after glow of yesterday has worn off.

 

 

To be fair Nigel opened up the discussion in the immediate aftermath by talking of squad evolution and good things coming to an end. The Prem is a reality and what can be wrong with debating who's good enough and who's not. I hope that the club are looking at it now rather than trying to keep a nice happy glow about the club whilst other clubs move in for the pickings from relegated clubs both here and abroad.

 

It's a sad reality that players who have helped us get where we are will not have a future. My feeling is that the club will not dump them unceremoniously and do all that they can to find them new clubs.

[Special K]

But if Guly goes, who will be the new scapegoat??

[Glasgow_Saint]

Out:

 

Forecast

Bart

Harding

Jaidi

Butterfield

Guly

SDR

Punch

Barnard

Connolly

Alpine Saint

Edited 29 April, 2012 by Glasgow_Saint

[eurosaint]

I agree completely with everything you wrote, and it is a worthy discussion to have down the line when the after glow of yesterday has worn off.

 

I just think for the sake of the players whose career at SFC is coming to an end, that it would have been diplomatic to let them enjoy their moment for a while before we write them off.

 

I do agree with this sentiment but would add that if any of them were looking on here during the season, most of your comments would have made them feel insulted long before we got to yesterday !!

[Glasgow_Saint]

But if Guly goes, who will be the new scapegoat??

 

Fonte or Hammond

[Lighthouse]

To be fair Nigel opened up the discussion in the immediate aftermath by talking of squad evolution and good things coming to an end. The Prem is a reality and what can be wrong with debating who's good enough and who's not. I hope that the club are looking at it now rather than trying to keep a nice happy glow about the club whilst other clubs move in for the pickings from relegated clubs both here and abroad.

 

It's a sad reality that players who have helped us get where we are will not have a future. My feeling is that the club will not dump them unceremoniously and do all that they can to find them new clubs.

 

But it will no doubt have been in the back of his mind for a couple of months before he said it yesterday. Let's not take the players for fool here. Most of those in the 'outs' list will have known for weeks their number was up should we get promoted. They aren't going to read this thread and burst into tears, although I doubt they will read it at all.

[SaintRichmond]

Someone had to say it sooner or later. IMO:

 

Keep

Davis, Richardson, Fonte, Hooiveld, Fox, Martin, Lallana, Cork, Morgan, Chaplow, Lambert, Sharp, Lee - All fairly obvious

 

Undecided

Bart - He's put in some decent performances, but I'm doubt he is Prem material. Keepers take time to trust their back 4 and vice vera, just look at De Gea.

Butters - Solid and experienced. Also aging and I'd say Champ was his level. Would like a new RB so one of them has to go.

De Ridder - I like him and he's a good option, but for whatever reason he hasn't done it yet. A loan out maybe.

Guly - Blows hot and cold. We need to lose 2 or 3 strikers, he'd probably be 1 of them, but I'd expect him to stay.

Barnard - Doubt he is Prem material, but was as good as Lambert last time he was fit. Loan him down to the NpC till Xmas, then decide.

Hammond - A good captain and our leader. Expect him to stay because of that but I think he will be found wanting for tallent in the Prem.

Puncheon - Has the tallent, looked good at Blackpool. Aside from today's dancing he hasn't done much since coming back.

 

Out

Connolly, Harding, Dickson, Seaborne, Jaidi, Forecast (if only), Holmes, Forte - Again, all fairly obvious

 

 

The Prem is noted as being "classier" football.

 

It could well be that some of our players, who, at the moment, we may consider as surplus to requirements, may well find the Prem more suited to their style of play. You seem to have more "time" in the Prem

 

I would wait until the pre season friendlies (some against top sides) are played, and then reassess the current first team squad.unless someone leaves of his own choice of course.

 

In the meantime of course, I'm sure Adkins will be targetting some "class" signings that will now be attracted to St Mary's now we are a Prem outfit again.

[Avenue Saint]

Keep

Davis, Bart,

Richardson,

Fonte, Hooiveld, Martin,

Fox

Cork, Morgan, Guly

Chaplow, Deridder (loan out)

Lallana

Lambert, Sharp, Lee

 

Out

Connolly, Harding, Dickson, Seaborne, Jaidi, butters, Forecast,Holmes, Hammond, Barnard, forte. Puncheon (doesn't fit in with his obvious attitude)

 

Guly looks very very interesting in central midfield.

 

I think we need, a keeper, right back, centre back, left back, right mid, left mid, striker.

[Whitey Grandad]

I agree completely with everything you wrote, and it is a worthy discussion to have down the line when the after glow of yesterday has worn off.

 

I just think for the sake of the players whose career at SFC is coming to an end, that it would have been diplomatic to let them enjoy their moment for a while before we write them off.

 

I must admit that when I saw the shots of the players celebrating I was wondering what thoughts were going through the heads of those who must be considered fringe players. At the very least they will have 'promoted to the Premier League' written on their CVs. But I agree, as Winston Churchill said: "We may allow ourselves a brief period of rejoicing; but let us not forget for a moment the toil and efforts that lie ahead".

[alpine_saint]

I do agree with this sentiment but would add that if any of them were looking on here during the season, most of your comments would have made them feel insulted long before we got to yesterday !!

 

Ridiculous.

 

I never joined in the Guly mobbing

I never joined in the questioing of signing Billy

Yes, I had a pop at Fonte over the past few weeks, but he deserved it. Yesterday he made up for it.

And yes, I was occasionally concerned about Hammond, but thats about it.

 

I suggest you look elsewhere for player negativity, though I can understand it goes with the cliche to blame me.

[exeter_saint]

The players who I can seriously see holdinig their own in the prem -

Davis, Hooiveld, Lallana, Schneiderlin, Cork, Lambert.

 

Players who should be able to do a job -

Martin, Richardson, Fonte, Fox, Guly (i hope!), Lee, Sharp.

 

Players I would still keep -

Bart, Harding, Hammond, Chaplow, Barnard, De Ridder

 

Undecided/possibly get rid -

Forecast, Butterfield, jaidi, Seabourne, Puncheon (decent player but he ought to be replaced imo), Connolly (let him play out his last season or 2 actually playing football in the NPC/L1), Doble.

 

We need -

1 quality full back, 1 quality CM, 1 quality RW, and ideally a proven prem CB

[spyinthesky]

Sorry to say this was a conversation I had with some Saints fans this morning

 

Undoubtedly Nigel and his team will have already started the process and it is obviously beneficial to gain automatic promotion as approaches to players and their agents can begin immediately rather than wait for the Play Offs to complete

 

I guess what needs to be considered is the contractual arrangements affecting the current squad.

 

It is always a shame to see the disapperance of plkayers who have contributed toards our recent success but teams have to evolve.

 

Watching MOTD last night made me realise how quick the game is in the Prem and how our team has to match the increased intensity.

 

We have been used to winning far more games than usual over the past 3 years and some supporters may find it difficult to adjust to next years struggle, which it will be.

 

Hopefully Nigel and his team will unearth a pearl as Ted Bates did back in 1966, when we first went up.

 

Ron Davies came in from Norwich, for a then record fee of £55,000, and paid us back in spades as he turned into one of the top stikers in the country

[VectisSaint]

Within 24 hours of the successful conclusion of this promotion campaign and before the celebratory hangovers have even worn off ?

 

Its pathetic. Personally, I feel sad that a few of the players who helped get us here will be making way for others. And I think such hasty discussion of this is untimely and the OP should feel guilty, especially as he is one of my sharpest critics about negativity and never being satisfied.

Adkins was talking about it immediately after the match, not specific players but finalising deals and evolving the squad, the players who will not be staying almost certainly already know. In some cases it is stating the bleeding obvious, Jaidi is retiring (and has been offered a coaching role I believe), Holmes and Forte have already been loaned out, Holmes has stated he would like to join Swindon full-time. The players that are staying are not stupid they all know they will have to fight for their places next season. I actually doubt many others will be released, Forecast (hopefully), Bart (probably) and most likely Barnard and Seaborne. We will hang on to Punch (unless Blackpool go up in which case Olly might come back for him) and I would not be surprised to see us keep Connolly, his experience in the PL will be invaluable, especially with a 7-man bench. Otherwise we will keep what we have and evolve with maybe 5 or 6 new players. The 25 man squad is a bit of a myth, as it does not count u21 players. I would fully expect several youngsters to be loaned out to Championship sides.

 

What I'm sure of is that we will not see wholesale changes, evolution not revolution. Don't be surprised if the team that played yesterday is not fundamentally the team that starts the first game next season. We also won't see any mercenaries like the lot down the road, and not many if any players at the end of their career (although an experienced CM player would not go amiss).

[Whitey Grandad]

One other advantage of automatic promotion is that the rebuilding can begin straight away. Those in the playoffs have to wait another two weeks.

[Wilko]

Keep all of them, unless they want to go. This lot got us there and they deserve a chance. We can and should be above the transfer merry-go-round ********.

[EastleighSoulBoy]

But if Guly goes, who will be the new scapegoat??

 

Only one candidate really?

[Aardvark]

Within 24 hours of the successful conclusion of this promotion campaign and before the celebratory hangovers have even worn off ?

 

Its pathetic. Personally, I feel sad that a few of the players who helped get us here will be making way for others. And I think such hasty discussion of this is untimely and the OP should feel guilty, especially as he is one of my sharpest critics about negativity and never being satisfied.

 

So when exactly do we get "butt ****ed" by Cardiff?

[Red and White Army]

Out:

 

Forecast

Bart

Harding

Jaidi

Butterfield

Guly

SDR

Punch

Barnard

Connolly

Alpine Saint

 

Alpine saint was kicked out of Southampton long ago. I am sure we will lose more games next season than we did this season so he will be happy to be able to moan his pathetic little arse off.

[up and away]

I would keep Harding as cover at left back because he has played a major part for us in the last few years.

 

You cannot seriously be saying that we should offload Guly and Hammond in the summer, both of who started todays game?

 

I know teams need to evolve but I would feel somewhat sad if the summer brings a lot of departures for players who have contributed and helped us get promoted this season and last.

 

Obviously signings need to be made, but nothing too major this summer.

 

It is sad, but if we want to survive in the Premier then we need about 6 new faces in the first team and develop what we have left over to be of value. After looking closely at the performance of the team against a youthful Coventry, I feel the step up will be too big for most of these players.

 

We could get away with one of our current right backs stepping up doing a job, but we definitely require another main central defender and left back. Fonte is the main weakness defensively but I feel he would be far better used as the defensive midfielder, bringing the ball out of defence and into attack as he did so well against Coventry. Kelvin is not a Premier goalie and as we will have to strengthen because of Bart, it looks right to bring in a new #1. Schneiderlin could do a job in the Premier but he has to up his game seriously to nail that down. Cork should be good enough for a good few games, not for all. Lallana needs to keep on developing as he has done and believe he is good enough. But I believe that playing with better players will do that for Lallana. Ricky and Billy just would not cut it in the Premier and as much as Billy was a good signing, I can't see him getting a look in. Ricky needs the right player alongside of him for the Premier.

 

Chung looked very promising before his injury and we will just have to wait and see. From Guly, Chaplow, de Ridder, Hammond it would not surprise me if one of them stepped up, but requires a big improvement to be anything other than a squad player.

[Dalek2003]

Within 24 hours of the successful conclusion of this promotion campaign and before the celebratory hangovers have even worn off ?

 

Its pathetic. Personally, I feel sad that a few of the players who helped get us here will be making way for others. And I think such hasty discussion of this is untimely and the OP should feel guilty, especially as he is one of my sharpest critics about negativity and never being satisfied.

 

Well said Alpine. The club deserve at least a 2 week rest before getting down to business again!

[Legod Third Coming]

If you want to see the result of drafting in a host of new faces and disrupting a confident side, join me in watching Sky Sports 1 right now...

[View From The Top]

I doubt there were many of us at the game who didn't discuss who stays/goes on the way home. It's the nature of football.

[LatvianTolix]

I think we may try to offload Harding and Butters to give the chance to Stephens and Shaw to cover those positions as back-ups and promote them into first team.

[david in sweden]

Someone had to say it sooner or later. IMO:

 

Keep

Davis, Richardson, Fonte, Hooiveld, Fox, Martin, Lallana, Cork, Morgan, Chaplow, Lambert, Sharp, Lee - All fairly obvious

 

Undecided

Bart - He's put in some decent performances, but I'm doubt he is Prem material. Keepers take time to trust their back 4 and vice vera, just look at De Gea.

Butters - Solid and experienced. Also aging and I'd say Champ was his level. Would like a new RB so one of them has to go.

De Ridder - I like him and he's a good option, but for whatever reason he hasn't done it yet. A loan out maybe.

Guly - Blows hot and cold. We need to lose 2 or 3 strikers, he'd probably be 1 of them, but I'd expect him to stay.

Barnard - Doubt he is Prem material, but was as good as Lambert last time he was fit. Loan him down to the NpC till Xmas, then decide.

Hammond - A good captain and our leader. Expect him to stay because of that but I think he will be found wanting for tallent in the Prem.

Puncheon - Has the tallent, looked good at Blackpool. Aside from today's dancing he hasn't done much since coming back.

 

Out

Connolly, Harding, Dickson, Seaborne, Jaidi, Forecast (if only), Holmes, Forte - Again, all fairly obvious

 

 

very close to my own assessment.

except that Butterfield already has an extra one year signed recently - although I expect a new RB to " appear " before August. If that works -perhaps a loan out /free for him in January.

 

AND..If he regains any sort of fitness...Connolly -an extra season. (learn the lesson sof Kevin Phillips at Blackpool).

[Lighthouse]

If you want to see the result of drafting in a host of new faces and disrupting a confident side, join me in watching Sky Sports 1 right now...

 

Of the 15 players I suggested should leave or I'm not sure about only 2 have been first team regulars, Guly and Hammond. Guly only gets on the pitch because we don't have a decent RM and Chaplow, Lee and Barnard have all had long injuries. Hammond has his limitations and I think the Prem would be a step up to far.

 

It's not the first team that needs replacing, but we have a lot of players on the wage bill who aren't doing anything and wont be up to Premier League standard next season. I'd be perfectly happy if 8 of the 11 players who started yesterday lined up for our first game of next season. It's only Hammond, Butters and Guly I'd have doubts about.

[Stattmeister]

Just out of interest, does anyone know off hand whom is out of contract now this summer anyway? I know we've extended a significant proportion of the first team but wasn't sure if anyone has a definitive list?

 

I still like the idea of Smithies, Davies, Clyne, M Phillips, Hooper, Rodrigues, Rhodes coming in (or a couple of them in any case) but we'll see. Having a squad limit of 25 coupled with seven on the bench does become a quandry to manage successfully. I suspect Nigel and Nicola are going to have a busy few weeks...

[Legod Third Coming]

Of the 15 players I suggested should leave or I'm not sure about only 2 have been first team regulars, Guly and Hammond. Guly only gets on the pitch because we don't have a decent RM and Chaplow, Lee and Barnard have all had long injuries. Hammond has his limitations and I think the Prem would be a step up to far.

 

It's not the first team that needs replacing, but we have a lot of players on the wage bill who aren't doing anything and wont be up to Premier League standard next season. I'd be perfectly happy if 8 of the 11 players who started yesterday lined up for our first game of next season. It's only Hammond, Butters and Guly I'd have doubts about.

 

Guly might actually surprise a few people in the Premiership. His class is probably more suited to it and he will definitely have the time for his languid style...

 

I agree with you about Hammond - I think we look(ed) a better side with Cork in it.

 

When you look outside of the top three/four clubs, I wonder how far (if at all in many cases) our players are behind them?

[Leicestersaint]

Well I would just like to congratulate all of them for this year's performance and I hope they all get some sort of chance next season even if they're on the bench.

[gazzzza]

NA will have a wanted list already, i would say 4/5 are good enough for a starting line up in prem, and 4/5 good enough for squad. lets hope we buy well, i'm sure NA will, but his lack of prem experience worries me a bit.

[Legod Third Coming]

NA will have a wanted list already, i would say 4/5 are good enough for a starting line up in prem, and 4/5 good enough for squad. lets hope we buy well, i'm sure NA will, but his lack of prem experience worries me a bit.

 

When he bought in Forte I was worried - very!

 

Now that he's bought Cork back and bought in Jos and Sharp, I am much less worried!

[badgerx16]

What did Swansea and Norwich do ?

 

http://www.football-lineups.com/team/Swansea_City/FA_Premier_League_2011-2012/Players/Squad_Changes/

http://www.football-lineups.com/team/Norwich_City/FA_Premier_League_2011-2012/Players/Squad_Changes/

 

Unfortunately 'surgery' will be necessary - I have concerns about our pace, both defending and in attack.

 

Along with the obvious suspects, Holmes, Forte, Forecast ( - please God ! ), etc, I personally would not be surprised to see Hammond leave.

[saintsmike25]

To be fair I'm in agreement with alpine on this thread.

[Sour Mash]

I don't think player under a certain age need to be named in the squad (I think it's 21 years old), therefore there would be no need to name any of the development squad in the 25 so if someone does start to shows signs of being ready for the first team, we could put them right in. I agree with most of what you wrote but think it was a bit hard on Reeves who looks a good player. I think a loan to a league 1 or championship team would help his development next season. I could be miles off but he reminds me of a young Lallana around the time he went on loan to Bournemouth.

You do know old Reeves is don't you? Can't see any of the current crop of development squad players making the jump to Prem League football any time soon!

[Stattmeister]

There are 42 player profiles. I think as per badgerx16's enlightening post above, we can expect a fair bit of movement of fringe players...

 

I agree with the sentiment of "now is not the time" but I think it's realistic to expect those barely involved this season (Dickson, Holmes, Jaidi, Forte etc) to be moving on without being disrespectful as they haven't contributed much on the pitch... the likes of Guly, Hammond being discussed as maybe not good enough, I think we should let them enjoy this for a few days before we dish out P45's.

[Over land and sea]

The most immediate decisions will need to be taken on the players out of contract as we will have to prepare the annual retained list. To answer Stattmeister, the players shown in bold in the following list are, to the best of my knowledge, out of contract. I'm less sure about the development squad/scholars as it's always more difficult to get information about them

 

First team squad

 

1 Kelvin Davis 2014

2 Frazer Richardson 2013

3 Dan Harding 2012

4 Morgan Schneiderlin 2014

6 Jose Fonte 2015

7 Rickie Lambert 2014

8 Jack Cork 2015

9 Lee Barnard 2014

10 Guilherme Do Prado 2013

11 Billy Sharp 2015

12 Danny Butterfield 2013

13 Danny Fox 2015

14 Dean Hammond 2014

15 Radhi Jaidi 2012

16 Aaron Martin 2014

17 Jonathan Forte 2014

18 Richard Chaplow 2013

19 Tadanari Lee 2014

20 Adam Lallana 2015

21 Bartosz Bialkowski 2012

22 David Connolly 2012

23 Ryan Dickson 2013

24 Lee Holmes 2012

25 Dan Seaborne 2013

26 Jos Hooiveld 2015

27 Yago Falque 2012 [on loan]

28 Ben Reeves 2013

29 Ryan Doble 2012

31 Tommy Forecast 2013

33 Steve de Ridder 2014

39 Harlee Dean 2012

42 Jason Puncheon 2013

 

Under 21s

 

36 Jack Dovey 2012

32 Jack Stephens 2014

Aarran Racine 2012

Andy Robinson 2012

Lloyd Isgrove 2012

40 Sam Hoskins 2012

Alberto Seidi 2012

 

 

Scholars

2nd year 2011-12

Steven Mowthorpe 2012

Conor O'Sullivan 2012

Daniel Bowman 2012

Matt Young 2012

35 Corby Moore 2012

Joe Curtis 2012

 

1st year 2011-12

Chris Johns* 2013

William Britt 2013

Fraser Colmer 2013

34 Luke Shaw* 2013

Jordan Turnbull* 2013

30 James Ward-Prowse* 2013

Calum Chambers* 2013

Harrison Reed* 2013

Omar Rowe 2013

Gregory Ariyibi 2013

Bevis Muagbi 2013

Sam McQueen 2013

Jamal Branker 2013

Jake Sinclair* 2013

Dominic Gape 2013

 

* on professional contract