Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 15 August, 2012 Share Posted 15 August, 2012 No it doesn't mean that at all Who wouldn't be classed as desperate? Come on, it can't take you THAT long to find the player on Google and read about who he is, how good he is etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 15 August, 2012 Share Posted 15 August, 2012 Federico Fazio is **** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 15 August, 2012 Share Posted 15 August, 2012 what if Fazio is happy where ever he is...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulletsaint Posted 15 August, 2012 Share Posted 15 August, 2012 Not really, if we are trying to sign Dann, it means the club are very desperate to just bring in anyone who has played in a back four in recent years. Not really, if the rumours are to be believed we have been interested for some time. Whether you or I believe he's the right man for the job is neither here nor there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 15 August, 2012 Share Posted 15 August, 2012 We've been interested all summer. The problem with the Dann deal has always been the 6m asking price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 15 August, 2012 Share Posted 15 August, 2012 what if Fazio is happy where ever he is...? What if Dann is? You asked me to select someone. I did. Doubt he would be much more (if anymore) than Dann, and he's been in a poor Sevilla side for the last couple of years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 15 August, 2012 Share Posted 15 August, 2012 Not really, if the rumours are to be believed we have been interested for some time. Whether you or I believe he's the right man for the job is neither here nor there. I know that, but (a) going back to Dann and (b) signing Dann smacks of desperation as he couldn't have been our first choice CB. If he is, and I have made this point before, then our scouting network (which doesn't look like they have done much this Summer) needs an overhaul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulletsaint Posted 15 August, 2012 Share Posted 15 August, 2012 I know that, but (a) going back to Dann and (b) signing Dann smacks of desperation as he couldn't have been our first choice CB. If he is, and I have made this point before, then our scouting network (which doesn't look like they have done much this Summer) needs an overhaul. That's all just pure conjecture, not to mention a rather simplistic view of what could be going on with this possible transfer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 15 August, 2012 Share Posted 15 August, 2012 That's all just pure conjecture, not to mention a rather simplistic view of what could be going on with this possible transfer. No need to let sensible, rational thoughts get in the way of a bangwagon. DPS decided about 3 weeks ago that our transfer dealings were lazy and ill thought out - and since then has let eeveryone know. Many times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 15 August, 2012 Share Posted 15 August, 2012 That's all just pure conjecture, not to mention a rather simplistic view of what could be going on with this possible transfer. All of this is conjecture though. My opinion is if Dann is the best that we can do at CB after knowing that we were promoted from the end of April, then there has been a failure somewhere along the line. Where is what I want to know, and where the uncertainty or conjecture is coming from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 15 August, 2012 Share Posted 15 August, 2012 No need to let sensible, rational thoughts get in the way of a bangwagon. DPS decided about 3 weeks ago that our transfer dealings were lazy and ill thought out - and since then has let eeveryone know. Many times. I agree, I have. However, my point is being proven more and more on a day to day basis. Something has gone wrong somewhere, as even Adkins said he'd have 2 CB's in by City. Where do you believe this failure has been? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webby Posted 15 August, 2012 Share Posted 15 August, 2012 (edited) We must have had some CB targets way back. We're willing to spend big, for the right player, that's pretty clear. So, why haven't we got one yet? Either our 1st choice target's club wants more than we're prepared to pay, or the player is demanding higher wages than we're prepared to pay, or he wants a move to a bigger club. So, we move on to the next target, and so on. A contingency plan would have been in place. However, I'm sure we put a lot of background work in to the personality of the player etc. Do we do this right down the list? I mean, how sure are we that CB #9 is the right man for us? I'm not getting frantic, but I have to say I don't really understand why we haven't signed at least one CB yet. I expect 2 before the window shuts. Oh, and much as I love Kelvin for his loyalty and performances over the last few seasons, I'm starting to think that we should've just paid out and got Butland in as first choice. Edited 15 August, 2012 by Webby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 15 August, 2012 Share Posted 15 August, 2012 If you can get an 8/10 player on the last day of the window or a 6/10 in June, what would you go for? Ultimately, having two extra players will make no difference vs City. Wigan - yes but again if we have to wait til end of the window thats ok as long as what we get is good enough - thats the key. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webby Posted 15 August, 2012 Share Posted 15 August, 2012 If you can get an 8/10 player on the last day of the window or a 6/10 in June, what would you go for? Ultimately, having two extra players will make no difference vs City. Wigan - yes but again if we have to wait til end of the window thats ok as long as what we get is good enough - thats the key. Agreed. As long as all the 8/10 players aren't gone by then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 15 August, 2012 Share Posted 15 August, 2012 Agreed. As long as all the 8/10 players aren't gone by then. They tend not to be because they are harder to prise away from their clubs and have more options so it's in their interest to wait and see what develops. Nearly all the players we have been linked with have not yet moved anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 15 August, 2012 Share Posted 15 August, 2012 If you can get an 8/10 player on the last day of the window or a 6/10 in June, what would you go for? Ultimately, having two extra players will make no difference vs City. Wigan - yes but again if we have to wait til end of the window thats ok as long as what we get is good enough - thats the key. You go for the 6/10 as the extra 3 weeks or so of training with the squad will turn it into an 8/10. Our football management experts keep telling us this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webby Posted 15 August, 2012 Share Posted 15 August, 2012 They tend not to be because they are harder to prise away from their clubs and have more options so it's in their interest to wait and see what develops. Nearly all the players we have been linked with have not yet moved anywhere. If that's the case, then I would hope that we've got a couple lined up ready to sign on the day. Risky though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 15 August, 2012 Share Posted 15 August, 2012 If that's the case, then I would hope that we've got a couple lined up ready to sign on the day. Risky though. I'm sure we do. Our squad won't look the same come end of transfer window as it does today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulletsaint Posted 15 August, 2012 Share Posted 15 August, 2012 All of this is conjecture though. My opinion is if Dann is the best that we can do at CB after knowing that we were promoted from the end of April, then there has been a failure somewhere along the line. Where is what I want to know, and where the uncertainty or conjecture is coming from. The difference is that you are using your belief that things should have been sorted earlier and that Dann is not your cup of tea, to infer that there is a malaise within the club or that someone is doing their job incorrectly. Those of us of a more reasonable disposition are speculating that there may be more to it than that. I know what is the more likely scenario. Being negative just because you're not getting the signings you want when you want them is just childish. I'm not a huge fan of the idea of Dann being our back four's saviour but I don't put that down to the people working on it being idiots. Everyone has an opinion, I dare say our scouts have watched him a damn sight more than either you or I. You're welcome to your own opinion of course, it's just I like mine to be a bit more considered and less reactionary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 15 August, 2012 Share Posted 15 August, 2012 The difference is that you are using your belief that things should have been sorted earlier and that Dann is not your cup of tea, to infer that there is a malaise within the club or that someone is doing their job incorrectly. Those of us of a more reasonable disposition are speculating that there may be more to it than that. I know what is the more likely scenario. Being negative just because you're not getting the signings you want when you want them is just childish. I'm not a huge fan of the idea of Dann being our back four's saviour but I don't put that down to the people working on it being idiots. Everyone has an opinion, I dare say our scouts have watched him a damn sight more than either you or I. You're welcome to your own opinion of course, it's just I like mine to be a bit more considered and less reactionary. Im am not so keen on Dann either, but the guy was linked heavily with Liverpool and Arsenal last summer and was deemed a 6m player so is no mug and still young enough to improve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyer Posted 15 August, 2012 Share Posted 15 August, 2012 Agreed. As long as all the 8/10 players aren't gone by then. Also, the price will be higher as thats when the teams will be most desperate. Then theres the big chance of panic signings if youre 1st choice targets go elsewhere. Thats the only explanation for the likes of QPR signing Barton, SWP, Bothroyd and Puncheon and something that relegated us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simondo Posted 15 August, 2012 Share Posted 15 August, 2012 If you look at the first 6 in the fixture list, any new signings now aren't gonna make much of a difference to what we would have predicted 6 weeks ago. I just want things done right - bring in real quality, but don't break the bank... And that just takes time Chin up folks..! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_John Posted 15 August, 2012 Share Posted 15 August, 2012 Fat Sam was on TalkDrivel this morning and said they had FAILED with 95% of their targets this window. http://inagist.com/all/235389254799343617/?utm_source=inagist&utm_medium=rss Spoke to Big Sam about transfer targets and he admitted West Ham had failed with 95% of their targets and he is trying to get 2 or 3 more in It was rumoured they were interested in Jay R and Nathaniel C, but that is alot of players to miss out on. It just shows that alot of Clubs are chasing a few players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 15 August, 2012 Share Posted 15 August, 2012 If you can get an 8/10 player on the last day of the window or a 6/10 in June, what would you go for? Ultimately, having two extra players will make no difference vs City. Wigan - yes but again if we have to wait til end of the window thats ok as long as what we get is good enough - thats the key. Yes, but by the sound of things (and if we sign Dann) it's going to be: If you can get an 4/10 player on the last day of the window or a 4/10 in June, what would you go for? I'd go for June myself, as he needs all the help he can get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 15 August, 2012 Share Posted 15 August, 2012 The difference is that you are using your belief that things should have been sorted earlier and that Dann is not your cup of tea, to infer that there is a malaise within the club or that someone is doing their job incorrectly. Those of us of a more reasonable disposition are speculating that there may be more to it than that. I know what is the more likely scenario. Being negative just because you're not getting the signings you want when you want them is just childish. I'm not a huge fan of the idea of Dann being our back four's saviour but I don't put that down to the people working on it being idiots. Everyone has an opinion, I dare say our scouts have watched him a damn sight more than either you or I. You're welcome to your own opinion of course, it's just I like mine to be a bit more considered and less reactionary. No I'm not. Adkins said we'd have 1 or 2 in by Man City. There isn't. That shows me there is an issue at the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 15 August, 2012 Share Posted 15 August, 2012 No I'm not. Adkins said we'd have 1 or 2 in by Man City. There isn't. That shows me there is an issue at the club. When did he say that? Can you provide a link to this please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 15 August, 2012 Share Posted 15 August, 2012 Im am not so keen on Dann either, but the guy was linked heavily with Liverpool and Arsenal last summer and was deemed a 6m player so is no mug and still young enough to improve. As was Roger Johnson. And look where they both ended up, Blackburn and Wolves. Not even a mid table side. That says to me that they may have been scouted by the bigger clubs, but their scouts saw that they were not very good. Which they then proved at Wolves and Blackburn respectively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raging Bull Posted 15 August, 2012 Share Posted 15 August, 2012 When did he say that? Can you provide a link to this please? Pretty sure he said it after the wolves game, not 100% though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 15 August, 2012 Share Posted 15 August, 2012 When did he say that? Can you provide a link to this please? It was in a Saints Player interview was it not? I can't get on them at work myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H Posted 15 August, 2012 Share Posted 15 August, 2012 Yes, but by the sound of things (and if we sign Dann) it's going to be: If you can get an 4/10 player on the last day of the window or a 4/10 in June, what would you go for? I'd go for June myself, as he needs all the help he can get. What I want to know is how come you're so sure that you are better qualified than our scouts and our very successful manager to judge the ability and potential of a target and how he might fit into our squad, both in terms of personality and our system(s) of play? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 15 August, 2012 Share Posted 15 August, 2012 Adkins said we'd have 1 or 2 in by Man City. There isn't. That shows me there is an issue at the club. When did he say that? Can you provide a link to this please? Pretty sure he said it after the wolves game. It was in a Saints Player interview was it not? I can't get on them at work myself. Andy Crosby (and not Nigel Adkins) was interviewed after the Wolves game and he made no mention of "we'd have 1 or 2 in by Man City". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 15 August, 2012 Share Posted 15 August, 2012 Your point isn't being proven at all. It's conjecture, you can't see how things develop and work backwards to say you were right. If it doesn't hold up at the time you make the point, the outcome is irrelevant. You've consistently said something has gone wrong, Dann shows that etc., and it's based on nothing. No real information. Fact is, we haven't signed CBs yet even though we know we're trying to. That happens to every club every season, things get delayed, targets change, time edges towards the window. Why you think in the case of SFC this consititues failure is bizarre. I'm sure most clubs fail to get their no.1 target for a position and have several. Wouldn't be surprised if Dann is 1st choice, 5th choice or whatever. It's about getting people who fit in, not rushing things and taking a lesser option to appease impatient forum fans. Well, we'll have to agree to disagree then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raging Bull Posted 15 August, 2012 Share Posted 15 August, 2012 Wasn't Crosby, defo Adkins. Just can't remember exactly where/when he said it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raging Bull Posted 15 August, 2012 Share Posted 15 August, 2012 Might have been 1 of those you tube things thinking about it cos I don't have saints player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 15 August, 2012 Share Posted 15 August, 2012 What I want to know is how come you're so sure that you are better qualified than our scouts and our very successful manager to judge the ability and potential of a target and how he might fit into our squad, both in terms of personality and our system(s) of play? To be fair, I don't, which is why I don't think it's actually down to the scouting. I think there is a massive issue somewhere in the club, I'm not sure what, but it is preventing us signing our targets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 15 August, 2012 Share Posted 15 August, 2012 Might have been 1 of those you tube things thinking about it cos I don't have saints player. The Saints Youtube video's just show brief clips of the full interviews that are on Saints Player. If it was on the Youtube channel, it would have been on Saints Player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 15 August, 2012 Share Posted 15 August, 2012 Wasn't Crosby, defo Adkins. Just can't remember exactly where/when he said it. He has said they want players in before the transfer window closes, but at no point has he made a public statement saying they will definitely have one or two in before the Man City game. I think you may be confusing the two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raging Bull Posted 15 August, 2012 Share Posted 15 August, 2012 Possibly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 15 August, 2012 Share Posted 15 August, 2012 He has said they want players in before the transfer window closes, but at no point has he made a public statement saying they will definitely have one or two in before the Man City game. I think you may be confusing the two. It was my belief that had been said. Either way, even if not, there is no way that Adkins would have wanted to leave it this late. If he did, that is very, very risky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 15 August, 2012 Share Posted 15 August, 2012 Pretty sure he said he's looking to have 1 or 2 in by man city and a few more between tehn and the end of the season. Think it was just before we signed Clyne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 15 August, 2012 Share Posted 15 August, 2012 To be fair, I don't, which is why I don't think it's actually down to the scouting. I think there is a massive issue somewhere in the club, I'm not sure what, but it is preventing us signing our targets. On that reasoning, plenty of prem clubs also have 'massive issues' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 15 August, 2012 Share Posted 15 August, 2012 Pretty sure he said he's looking to have 1 or 2 in by man city and a few more between tehn and the end of the season. Think it was just before we signed Clyne. If he said it "before we signed Clyne", then it has happened. Between that point and the Man City game we signed Clyne and Gazzaniga. Two players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulletsaint Posted 15 August, 2012 Share Posted 15 August, 2012 (edited) No I'm not. Adkins said we'd have 1 or 2 in by Man City. There isn't. That shows me there is an issue at the club. No that just shows we've been unsuccessful in our bids or negotiations are ongoing. There are a lot more people involved in transfer negotiations than just Saints FC employees. Edited 15 August, 2012 by mulletsaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 15 August, 2012 Share Posted 15 August, 2012 I think you've nearly got 'em here MLG! You can see how they're getting a bit shifty and moving from "he definitely said dat" to "it's my belief he said something like dat or something" This is good work! Just keep on at them a bit more, no letting them off the hook now, keep on at them till they get angry and start fighting back! You're nearly there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 15 August, 2012 Share Posted 15 August, 2012 It may have been after we had signed Gazzanigga...I can't remember. Or maybe he said 1 or 2 CB's rather than players. Either way I'm pretty sure he had said they'd be more players in by City than there is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 15 August, 2012 Share Posted 15 August, 2012 On that reasoning, plenty of prem clubs also have 'massive issues' Like who? Most teams have strengthened sensibly and well, especially those around us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints4Prem Posted 15 August, 2012 Share Posted 15 August, 2012 Are we playing man city today then or have we got two days to get some players in ? Obviously it's all going wrong doom and gloom (Thought I'd put that in to appease the bed wetters) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 15 August, 2012 Share Posted 15 August, 2012 Most teams have strengthened sensibly and well, especially those around us. We've signed four players (three of which will be regular starters), plus Tadanari Lee will feel like a new signing given his lack of matches last season due to injury. Plus Adkins has said they intend to bring in more players before the close of the window. Stop panicking and relax. Good things come to those who wait... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 15 August, 2012 Share Posted 15 August, 2012 My recollection of that interview, was that he'd like one or two in before the Man City game, not that there would be definite signings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 15 August, 2012 Share Posted 15 August, 2012 My recollection of that interview, was that he'd like one or two in before the Man City game, not that there would be definite signings. I bet all managers would their business done by Friday afternoon. It just does my work like that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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