Saint woody Posted 28 April, 2012 Posted 28 April, 2012 http://m.skysports.com/article/football/yourclub/7709996?compid=416&teamid=392 St Mary's is due to trial the first hawk-eye system on May 16th with a second system due to be trialled. We certainly are back on the map
skintsaint Posted 28 April, 2012 Posted 28 April, 2012 sigh...wish they wouldnt bring this into our game.
Ashby Saint Posted 28 April, 2012 Posted 28 April, 2012 sigh...wish they wouldnt bring this into our game. While I agree that controversy is a vital part of he game, it has been obvious that the officials need some help with the speed of the game. Technology can help here because whether the ball crossed the line should be a matter of fact.
obelisk Posted 28 April, 2012 Posted 28 April, 2012 It's probably worth trialling but I wonder how quickly the decision will be made to review. It'll be easy enough if the ball goes out of play but what will happen if the ball smacks against the crossbar, bounces somewhere near the goal-line before being hoofed upfield where it's duly smacked into the net at the other end?
Berkshire Saint Posted 28 April, 2012 Posted 28 April, 2012 It's probably worth trialling but I wonder how quickly the decision will be made to review. It'll be easy enough if the ball goes out of play but what will happen if the ball smacks against the crossbar, bounces somewhere near the goal-line before being hoofed upfield where it's duly smacked into the net at the other end? How many times has that happened?
obelisk Posted 28 April, 2012 Posted 28 April, 2012 How many times has that happened?Ummm! I have no actual examples, m'lud. It is a hypothesis. My question remains though. Does the game get stopped for a review or does the review happen while play continues?
Nutwood2 Posted 28 April, 2012 Posted 28 April, 2012 That'll make a good quiz question in a few years time.
The Kraken Posted 28 April, 2012 Posted 28 April, 2012 Ummm! I have no actual examples, m'lud. It is a hypothesis. My question remains though. Does the game get stopped for a review or does the review happen while play continues? The whole point of it is that the decision has to be electronically relayed to the referee within 1 second. So its pretty much instantaneous and won't require stoppages to the game for review. That's the benchmark (as well as 100% accuarcy) that the trials are to judge.
The Kraken Posted 28 April, 2012 Posted 28 April, 2012 sigh...wish they wouldnt bring this into our game. Why not? In what way will this make the game worse?
obelisk Posted 28 April, 2012 Posted 28 April, 2012 The whole point of it is that the decision has to be electronically relayed to the referee within 1 second. So its pretty much instantaneous and won't require stoppages to the game for review. That's the benchmark (as well as 100% accuarcy) that the trials are to judge.In that case can't see a problem. What about the idea of referring a decision in the style of tennis and cricket?
Spudders Posted 28 April, 2012 Posted 28 April, 2012 Why not? In what way will this make the game worse? Some people just don't like change, even when it's for the better
The Kraken Posted 28 April, 2012 Posted 28 April, 2012 In that case can't see a problem. What about the idea of referring a decision in the style of tennis and cricket? Nope. The whole point of it is that there can be no breaks in play; the referee will get an alert within one second if the ball has crossed the line. No other stoppages, referrals etc can form part of the system, it has to be a totally instant alert that there's a goal and nothing else. If the system can meet the benchmarks prescribed then it will be implemented, if not then quite simply it won't. It can only benefit the game, if only in a small way.
Saint-scooby Posted 28 April, 2012 Posted 28 April, 2012 Tennis and Cricket use it, Rugby had playback. How much is todays game worth for Saints ?
Kingsbridge Saint Posted 28 April, 2012 Posted 28 April, 2012 It's probably worth trialling but I wonder how quickly the decision will be made to review. It'll be easy enough if the ball goes out of play but what will happen if the ball smacks against the crossbar, bounces somewhere near the goal-line before being hoofed upfield where it's duly smacked into the net at the other end? Simple - the first ones the goal. Don't see a problem. Ice Hockey uses the system just fine and its far quicker end to end.
trousers Posted 10 May, 2012 Posted 10 May, 2012 (edited) @TomCoull: Hawk-Eye are showcasing their goal line technology to the media at St Mary's today. No Frank Lampard to hit shots though. #CrossbarChallenge @JFBLucas: #SaintsFC hosting start of Phase 2 of FIFA's Goal-Line Technology tests. Two companies, Hawk-Eye and GoalRef, in running. Hawk-Eye up today. Edited 10 May, 2012 by trousers
trousers Posted 10 May, 2012 Posted 10 May, 2012 @JFBLucas: St Mary's was chosen by Hawk-Eye, who are based in Basingstoke. Phase 2 will involve a 'live' test: Hampshire FA Senior Cup Final next Wed.
dubai_phil Posted 10 May, 2012 Posted 10 May, 2012 Blimey Hope that doesn't come into use next season. I'd be worried about Rickie or Jos tripping over the Tent when they go up for corners. And what about KD hitting his head on those boxes on the goal-line?
trousers Posted 10 May, 2012 Posted 10 May, 2012 Blimey Hope that doesn't come into use next season. I'd be worried about Rickie or Jos tripping over the Tent when they go up for corners. And what about KD hitting his head on those boxes on the goal-line? :-))
St_Tel49 Posted 10 May, 2012 Posted 10 May, 2012 It's probably worth trialling but I wonder how quickly the decision will be made to review. It'll be easy enough if the ball goes out of play but what will happen if the ball smacks against the crossbar, bounces somewhere near the goal-line before being hoofed upfield where it's duly smacked into the net at the other end? It is not a question of review. If the ball crosses the line then Hawkeye should produce an audible signal so even if the ball does get hoofed away the play will be stopped anyway.
Window Cleaner Posted 10 May, 2012 Posted 10 May, 2012 Two goals next season huh. Might be a solution for our wayward shooting though.
JPTCount Posted 10 May, 2012 Posted 10 May, 2012 While I agree that controversy is a vital part of he game, it has been obvious that the officials need some help with the speed of the game. Technology can help here because whether the ball crossed the line should be a matter of fact. yes it's part of the game, but how is it vital? I'd say fair play is vital, but without new technologies the cheats will continue to get away with it.
norwaysaint Posted 10 May, 2012 Posted 10 May, 2012 Hawk eye was invented in Romsey up at Roke Manor, so I guess it's a fitting venue.
svetigpung Posted 10 May, 2012 Posted 10 May, 2012 It's probably worth trialling but I wonder how quickly the decision will be made to review. It'll be easy enough if the ball goes out of play but what will happen if the ball smacks against the crossbar, bounces somewhere near the goal-line before being hoofed upfield where it's duly smacked into the net at the other end? Oh yer it works fine at the moment with 5 minutes of all the players screaming at the ref and then at the lino, all telling him what they saw and the decision was wrong. That doesn't stopp the flow of the game whatsoever. At least we would have a correct decision at the end of it , and John Terry would just have to shut up and get on with whatever else he does. Got to be done.
The Kraken Posted 10 May, 2012 Posted 10 May, 2012 The thing in the goal looks more useful than Tommy Forecast. Sign it up.
mini_me Posted 10 May, 2012 Posted 10 May, 2012 They were testing this yesterday when I was in there filming other stuff. There was some kid in the goal throwing the ball up in the air about 1000 times !
terrypward Posted 10 May, 2012 Posted 10 May, 2012 That Marquee looked a lot bigger on Twitter on Sunday
david in sweden Posted 10 May, 2012 Posted 10 May, 2012 http://m.skysports.com/article/football/yourclub/7709996?compid=416&teamid=392 St Mary's is due to trial the first hawk-eye system on May 16th with a second system due to be trialled. We certainly are back on the map How many other Prem. sides have such an apparatus, I wonder ?
The Kraken Posted 10 May, 2012 Posted 10 May, 2012 How many other Prem. sides have such an apparatus, I wonder ? What apparatus? A pitch and a goal? We're being used because we're the closest appropriate stadium to where the Hawkeye system is being developed.
jawillwill Posted 10 May, 2012 Posted 10 May, 2012 Richard Conway BBC@richard_conway Hawkeye MD tells BBC Sport that "nothing is impossible" on chances of installing goal-line tech in time for start of 2012/13 Premier League.
Thedelldays Posted 10 May, 2012 Posted 10 May, 2012 http://m.skysports.com/article/football/yourclub/7709996?compid=416&teamid=392 St Mary's is due to trial the first hawk-eye system on May 16th with a second system due to be trialled. We certainly are back on the map what map....? this has almost nothing to do with saints..
jam Posted 10 May, 2012 Posted 10 May, 2012 What apparatus? A pitch and a goal? We're being used because we're the closest appropriate stadium to where the Hawkeye system is being developed. Don't be so negative - this is clearly a sign that developers of motion detection gizmos believe our pitch the goal at the Northam end are the best in the country.
pedg Posted 10 May, 2012 Posted 10 May, 2012 Is it going to be just for the goal line or all the lines? Arguments about whether a ball was out for a corner or a throw-in are much more common in games than close decisions on the goal line. For example couple of close decisions in the playoff match last night, neither led directly to goals but could have done, that could well have gone the other way if there was assistance for the officials.
The Kraken Posted 10 May, 2012 Posted 10 May, 2012 Don't be so negative - this is clearly a sign that developers of motion detection gizmos believe our pitch the goal at the Northam end are the best in the country. We should put it in the 5 year plan to be one of the top 4 clubs in the country to be willing to try out footballing technology.
david in sweden Posted 10 May, 2012 Posted 10 May, 2012 What apparatus? A pitch and a goal? QUOTE] fairly obviously, I was thinking of a fast moving camera system, rather than a slow motion linesman (excuse me) ...assistant referee.
david in sweden Posted 10 May, 2012 Posted 10 May, 2012 (edited) Is it going to be just for the goal line or all the lines? Arguments about whether a ball was out for a corner or a throw-in are much more common in games than close decisions on the goal line. For example couple of close decisions in the playoff match last night, neither led directly to goals but could have done, that could well have gone the other way if there was assistance for the officials. it's only half the job if it's only goal-line. I watched a streamed version of the game at Midd.boro. In the first half, Rickie Lambert chased the ball down the left touchline for 10-15 yards, and the white line could be clearly seen on the (left) crowd side. Ricky went on to score a "goal " in the final move, but the linesman belatedly gave the ball out - because everyone had stopped running (except Rickie) and he'd convinved himself it was out. A video re-run of the incident showed that the ball was never completely over the line, and still in play and the goal should have stood. Fortunately, we finished the job by beating Coventry, but it would have been quite unjust had it been more of a vital goal. If we have the technology, it should be used to the full. Maybe we have to wait for the next " ba**s -up " in the Euros, when the ref gets it wrong AGAIN, and someone goes out. If it's France who suffer, I wonder what Platini will say then?.......... Edited 10 May, 2012 by david in sweden
pedg Posted 10 May, 2012 Posted 10 May, 2012 it's only half the job if it's only goal-line. I watched a streamed version of the game at Midd.boro. In the first half, Rickie Lambert chased the ball down the left touchline for 10-15 yards, and the white line could be clearly seen on the (left) crowd side. Ricky went on to score a "goal " in the final move, but the linesman belatedly gave the ball out - because everyone had stopped running (except Rickie) and he'd convinved himself it was out. A video re-run of the incident showed that the ball was never completely over the line, and still in play and the goal should have stood. Fortunately, we finished the job by beating Coventry, but it would have been quite unjust had it been more of a vital goal. If we have the technology, it should be used to the full. Maybe we have to wait for the next " ba**s -up " in the Euros, when the ref gets it wrong AGAIN, and someone goes out. If it's France who suffer, I wonder what Platini will say then?.......... It's got to be an advantage of the hawkeye system compared to the sensor in the ball one. You can put electronics around the goal for the ball going over the goal line with the sensor version but its another thing to cover all round the edge of the pitch. For the hawkeye system just use the same camera's and beep in the officials ear if the ball goes outside the bounding box that is the playing area.
mcjwills Posted 10 May, 2012 Posted 10 May, 2012 Hey Look! Bart is in goal. Nah he's a dead ringer for Tommy Forecast.
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