SaintBobby Posted 23 April, 2012 Posted 23 April, 2012 Saints win = promoted Saints lose = promoted if West Ham fail to beat Hull, otherwise 3rd. Saints draw = promoted unless West Ham win by 3 clear goals AND score 3 goals more than Saints (e.g. West Ham 4-1 Hull; Saints 1-1 Coventry 1 means West Ham promoted, but West Ham 3-0 Hull; Saints 1-1 Coventry means Saints promoted). If, say, with ten mins to go, we're 0-0 vs Cov and West Ham are winning 1-0, god knows what that implies for our strategy for the last part of the game. Just get an early goal, Saints, FFS!
alpine_saint Posted 23 April, 2012 Posted 23 April, 2012 Saints win = promoted Saints lose = promoted if West Ham fail to beat Hull, otherwise 3rd. Saints draw = promoted unless West Ham win by 3 clear goals AND score 3 goals more than Saints (e.g. West Ham 4-1 Hull; Saints 1-1 Coventry 1 means West Ham promoted, but West Ham 3-0 Hull; Saints 1-1 Coventry means Saints promoted). If, say, with ten mins to go, we're 0-0 vs Cov and West Ham are winning 1-0, god knows what that implies for our strategy for the last part of the game. Just get an early goal, Saints, FFS! Yes, 'cos it bloody helped against Boro, didnt it ?
The Kraken Posted 23 April, 2012 Posted 23 April, 2012 Simple maths right here. Beat an already relegated side = promotion. Lets face it; if we can't do that, we probably don't deserve to go up.
S-Clarke Posted 23 April, 2012 Posted 23 April, 2012 I remember the panic against Southend 5 years ago, but that was much more squeaky than this. If i remember rightly we needed to win by a couple of goals to guarantee it? Might be wrong though. We did the biz against Southend though in a very similarly setup game.
um pahars Posted 23 April, 2012 Posted 23 April, 2012 Simple maths right here. Beat an already relegated side = promotion. Lets face it; if we can't do that, we probably don't deserve to go up. Agree with this, if we don't win Saturday then that would be only two wins in last six and not worthy of automatic promotion
Windmill Arm 2 Posted 23 April, 2012 Posted 23 April, 2012 Yes, 'cos it bloody helped against Boro, didnt it ? Oh feck off you pathetic c^nt !
Trader Posted 23 April, 2012 Posted 23 April, 2012 If we go to the play-offs I honestly wouldn't fancy our chances. Unfortunately.
SNSUN Posted 23 April, 2012 Posted 23 April, 2012 After a decent win from the bookies tonight, I'm having a couple of bets on Saturday's game with my winnings. Saints and West Ham to both win as a double, (for the money), and an insurance bet on a double chance: Coventry win/Draw. Win win. (Even though I'll feel cheap and dirty if the latter happens, I can bathe myself clean in Champagne.) I still think Saints will win, but I've said that on a few occassions this season and it hasn't been true. We all expect Coventry to roll over and die, and as we all know, freak results do sometimes happen. A goal as early as Sharps against Boro should calm a few nerves...
S-Clarke Posted 23 April, 2012 Posted 23 April, 2012 If we go to the play-offs I honestly wouldn't fancy our chances. Unfortunately. I would have to say the same, as fans we'd be demoralized and the players would ultimately feel the same. We're on a very poor run of form at the moment, no 2 ways about it, and if we do end up int he playoffs we will be on our worst run of the season. Therefore we'd have no chance in my book. But it won't happen, so it's all academic.
beatlesaint Posted 23 April, 2012 Posted 23 April, 2012 If we go to the play-offs I honestly wouldn't fancy our chances. Unfortunately. They would be so gutted finishing third they wouldnt even make the Wembley final.
Whitey Grandad Posted 23 April, 2012 Posted 23 April, 2012 They would be so gutted finishing third they wouldnt even make the Wembley final. Historically it has been the case that the team finishing third flunks the playoffs.
shirleysfc Posted 23 April, 2012 Posted 23 April, 2012 I remember the panic against Southend 5 years ago, but that was much more squeaky than this. If i remember rightly we needed to win by a couple of goals to guarantee it? Might be wrong though. We did the biz against Southend though in a very similarly setup game. What?? You mean relegated Southend didn't turn into Brazil and teach us a footballing lesson because the pressure was off??
S-Clarke Posted 23 April, 2012 Posted 23 April, 2012 What?? You mean relegated Southend didn't turn into Brazil and teach us a footballing lesson because the pressure was off?? No! Although they did take an early lead which didn't help matters.
SaintBobby Posted 23 April, 2012 Author Posted 23 April, 2012 Yes, 'cos it bloody helped against Boro, didnt it ? So, you'd say in such in a scenario, we should pile forward and really go for it? Shove Kelvin up for corners in the last couple of minutes?
SNSUN Posted 23 April, 2012 Posted 23 April, 2012 If we go to the play-offs I honestly wouldn't fancy our chances. Unfortunately. We've spent 4050 minutes of the season (+injury time) in the top two. 90 more should be doable. If we finish in the play-offs, we won't win them, but more worryingly, it will probably affect our form next season.
Whitey Grandad Posted 23 April, 2012 Posted 23 April, 2012 We've spent 4050 minutes of the season (+injury time) in the top two. 90 more should be doable. If we finish in the play-offs, we won't win them, but more worryingly, it will probably affect our form next season. That's my concern. If by some fluke we don't go up I cannot see us doing this well next season.
shirleysfc Posted 23 April, 2012 Posted 23 April, 2012 No! Although they did take an early lead which didn't help matters. Then we scored 4! This season's Saints team is better than the 2007 team. This season's Coventry team is worse than that Southend team.
SaintBobby Posted 23 April, 2012 Author Posted 23 April, 2012 Simple maths right here. Beat an already relegated side = promotion. Lets face it; if we can't do that, we probably don't deserve to go up. No, it isn't that simple. Sure, win and we go up. But are you seriously saying that if Lambert scores an 89th minute equaliser that gets us promoted, you'll sit there with a sullen look saying we didn't deserve it?
kpturner Posted 23 April, 2012 Posted 23 April, 2012 Historically it has been the case that the team finishing third flunks the playoffs.Not true. HTH
Gigersaint Posted 23 April, 2012 Posted 23 April, 2012 ********... Just realised reading this thread that I'd bet on a West Ham win to help me feel better if they did. As it has just taken this long to realise I guess it didn't work. **** it.
L1Minus10 Posted 23 April, 2012 Posted 23 April, 2012 At the moment we are 2pts, 3 goal difference and 2 goals up on them. So Saints 1 Coventry 1 and West Ham 3 Hull 0 means we're all identical - then what... Likewise 2-2 and 4-1 etc **** it, just win it....
Jimmy_D Posted 23 April, 2012 Posted 23 April, 2012 ********... Just realised reading this thread that I'd bet on a West Ham win to help me feel better if they did. As it has just taken this long to realise I guess it didn't work. **** it. Enjoy your winnings, Gregos Traitorelli!
Jimmy_D Posted 23 April, 2012 Posted 23 April, 2012 At the moment we are 2pts, 3 goal difference and 2 goals up on them. So Saints 1 Coventry 1 and West Ham 3 Hull 0 means we're all identical - then what... Likewise 2-2 and 4-1 etc **** it, just win it.... We go up on head to head record.
Saint Without a Halo Posted 23 April, 2012 Posted 23 April, 2012 We've spent 4050 minutes of the season (+injury time) in the top two. 90 more should be doable. If we finish in the play-offs, we won't win them, but more worryingly, it will probably affect our form next season. Reading lost in the play offs last year! Should we end up in the play offs and should we then lose They may have the same effect on us next season as they did on Reading
SaintBobby Posted 23 April, 2012 Author Posted 23 April, 2012 At the moment we are 2pts, 3 goal difference and 2 goals up on them. So Saints 1 Coventry 1 and West Ham 3 Hull 0 means we're all identical - then what... Likewise 2-2 and 4-1 etc **** it, just win it.... As already posted, we go up in the event of an absolute tie in the table on 4 points to 1 v West Ham.
saintalan Posted 23 April, 2012 Posted 23 April, 2012 Basically we need to score as many goals as poss then a high scoring draw would force WHam to win heavy
Professor Posted 23 April, 2012 Posted 23 April, 2012 The dream scenario - We are 2 goals up against Coventry at half-time and score again early in the second half to win 3 - 0. West Ham's result is immaterial. The nightmare scenario - Five minutes to go, we are 2-1 up against Coventry, whilst West ham are 3-0 up against Hull. On the live table we are 2 points clear in 2nd place. Then Coventry score, resulting in a 2-2 draw, whilst West Ham score to win 4-0. Outcome West Ham go second on GD by 1 goal. Too many nightmares over the years as a Saints fan not to believe the worst could happen but surely, surely, it won't! It won't, will it?
The Kraken Posted 23 April, 2012 Posted 23 April, 2012 No, it isn't that simple. Sure, win and we go up. But are you seriously saying that if Lambert scores an 89th minute equaliser that gets us promoted, you'll sit there with a sullen look saying we didn't deserve it? Ooh, well done Mr Pedant. Yes, that's clearly what I was suggesting, well done you.
St Chalet Posted 23 April, 2012 Posted 23 April, 2012 Coventry 10-1 to win for anyone wanted to lay off potential disappointment.
SaintBobby Posted 23 April, 2012 Author Posted 23 April, 2012 One totally obvious decision is to start with Bart on the bench. This is probably "must draw" not a "must win" so we don't want any chance of Kelvin being replaced by an outfield player because he tweaks a hamstring after ten mins.
SaintBobby Posted 23 April, 2012 Author Posted 23 April, 2012 Ooh, well done Mr Pedant. Yes, that's clearly what I was suggesting, well done you. Ok, I have no clue what you were suggesting then? "Saints should win and I hope they do"?
kevin1962 Posted 23 April, 2012 Posted 23 April, 2012 That's my concern. If by some fluke we don't go up I cannot see us doing this well next season......i agree with you, other than it is not fluke any more...we have ****ed it up. I just hope we can get over the line but I fear we will end up losing in a play off semi...nerves and run out of steam!!!
SaintBobby Posted 23 April, 2012 Author Posted 23 April, 2012 Coventry 10-1 to win for anyone wanted to lay off potential disappointment. I may seriously shove a grand on that.
trousers Posted 23 April, 2012 Posted 23 April, 2012 Coventry 10-1 to win for anyone wanted to lay off potential disappointment. Yep, already done that. £40 on the Cov win and £100 on the draw (at 4-1). So, best afternoon for me will be Saints going up with a draw! :-)
trousers Posted 23 April, 2012 Posted 23 April, 2012 I may seriously shove a grand on that. Cover the draw as well.....you could lose the bet and we could still not get promoted!
alpine_saint Posted 23 April, 2012 Posted 23 April, 2012 The mileage Saint Booby is getting in repeating and pendantically commenting on a few simple statements of Grade 2 primary school mathetmatics is really quite superb. And he had the cojones to call me narcissistic....
S-Clarke Posted 23 April, 2012 Posted 23 April, 2012 Yep, already done that. £40 on the Cov win and £100 on the draw (at 4-1). So, best afternoon for me will be Saints going up with a draw! :-) The drinks would then be on you.
SaintBobby Posted 23 April, 2012 Author Posted 23 April, 2012 Yep, already done that. £40 on the Cov win and £100 on the draw (at 4-1). So, best afternoon for me will be Saints going up with a draw! :-) Apart from the likelihood of a coronary if we make it by drawing? ;-)
Frank's cousin Posted 23 April, 2012 Posted 23 April, 2012 Can we not close these 'aths threads down... ther is only one number that is important 3 points and promotion end of... go for that and its ours. Only thing we need to worry about, nothing else materrs a jot unto the final whistle
trousers Posted 23 April, 2012 Posted 23 April, 2012 One totally obvious decision is to start with Bart on the bench. This is probably "must draw" not a "must win" so we don't want any chance of Kelvin being replaced by an outfield player because he tweaks a hamstring after ten mins. That's one way of looking at it. But I'd rather we won 4-3 than drew 0-0....
Ziggy Posted 23 April, 2012 Posted 23 April, 2012 The dream scenario - We are 2 goals up against Coventry at half-time and score again early in the second half to win 3 - 0. West Ham's result is immaterial. The nightmare scenario - Five minutes to go, we are 2-1 up against Coventry, whilst West ham are 3-0 up against Hull. On the live table we are 2 points clear in 2nd place. Then Coventry score, resulting in a 2-2 draw, whilst West Ham score to win 4-0. Outcome West Ham go second on GD by 1 goal. Too many nightmares over the years as a Saints fan not to believe the worst could happen but surely, surely, it won't! It won't, will it? Well that's cheered me up you little ray of sunshine!
SNSUN Posted 23 April, 2012 Posted 23 April, 2012 Coventry 10-1 to win for anyone wanted to lay off potential disappointment. Even a double chance bet (Coventry and the Draw) is nearly 3-1. Covers every scenario.
VectisSaint Posted 23 April, 2012 Posted 23 April, 2012 One totally obvious decision is to start with Bart on the bench. This is probably "must draw" not a "must win" so we don't want any chance of Kelvin being replaced by an outfield player because he tweaks a hamstring after ten mins. No, its a must win. Simple. I know mathematically a draw or even defeat may be enough, but quite frankly we have to win for it to be in our hands. Really don't see why we need to have Bart on the bench. What we need is 5 strikers on the bench, and keep attacking even if we go 2 up. If we try to sit on a lead we will sit further and further back and in the end will concede and then we will panic. Attack is the best form of defence.
SaintBobby Posted 23 April, 2012 Author Posted 23 April, 2012 That's one way of looking at it. But I'd rather we won 4-3 than drew 0-0.... Sure. But that's consistent with having a keeper on the bench. Our chances of losing wld go up big time if we had no professional goalkeeper for any measurable amount of time.
alpine_saint Posted 23 April, 2012 Posted 23 April, 2012 If we cannot beat a team already relegated that we have beaten twice already this season, then we deserve to be relegated with the blue slime. We've been our own f**k worst enemy since December. Didnt one of our own players even cripple Chung ?
SaintBobby Posted 23 April, 2012 Author Posted 23 April, 2012 If we cannot beat a team already relegated that we have beaten twice already this season, then we deserve to be relegated with the blue slime. We've been our own f**k worst enemy since December. Didnt one of our own players even cripple Chung ? Right, so you're in the "if we draw and West Ham lose, I won't celebrate" camp? Who knows what might happen, we may play brilliantly but fail to win. If we end up ahead of West Ham, we deserve to go up. That even includes us losing 5-0 on Saturday.
Ziggy Posted 23 April, 2012 Posted 23 April, 2012 If we cannot beat a team already relegated that we have beaten twice already this season, then we deserve to be relegated with the blue slime. We've been our own f**k worst enemy since December. Didnt one of our own players even cripple Chung ? Absolutely. If we are not promoted automatically it will be our own fault completely. Oddly enough I am at an event in Cov on Thursday and Friday to add some extra spice before thr trip down on Saturday to watch us get back into Division One.
rhsfc Posted 23 April, 2012 Posted 23 April, 2012 Let's take Nigel's approach and be positive! So many pessimists on here, we are in such a good position! We will win and be back where we belong!
alpine_saint Posted 23 April, 2012 Posted 23 April, 2012 Right, so you're in the "if we draw and West Ham lose, I won't celebrate" camp? Who knows what might happen, we may play brilliantly but fail to win. If we end up ahead of West Ham, we deserve to go up. That even includes us losing 5-0 on Saturday. There you go again with the "screw the fan experience, here's the math" hack. Did you audition for the part of Data in Star Trek and fail, or something ? I cannot fault your maths, but having to so badly stagger over the finish line having led the table for the huge majority of time since September is for me galling and means I will view promotion as a hollow victory, but a victory nonetheless.
SaintBobby Posted 23 April, 2012 Author Posted 23 April, 2012 The mileage Saint Booby is getting in repeating and pendantically commenting on a few simple statements of Grade 2 primary school mathetmatics is really quite superb. And he had the cojones to call me narcissistic.... I'm not entirely sure your thread managed even nursery school maths. It was just "look at me, look at me, please, please look at me" And some of the other closed threads had folk asking what happens if there's a complete tie etc. Everything you need to know - which isn't PhD maths, agreed - is in the 1st post here. HTH.
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