Turkish Posted 21 April, 2012 Share Posted 21 April, 2012 DespIte all the **** on here we lost the game because ultimately we didn't clear our lines twice. Despite the hero worship given to our, it has to be said, average centre halves neither have done that much this season. It's easy to be a great. Defender when youve got 60% possession and are 3-0 up how many times has our defence held onto a 1-0 lead when our backs are against the wall? None is my observation. People will talk about Leeds but in truth that was poor finishing not because our defence was ruthless. Yet again 3 point were thrown away due to defensive cock ups. We woe be up and champions by now if we knew how to defend! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 21 April, 2012 Share Posted 21 April, 2012 Fonte has struggled a few times this season IMO I do like him but, for example, against Reading Jason Roberts made him look like the proverbial big girls blouse. Jaidi had a lot of bad points but by god could that bloke head a ball be nice to have someone with that sort of power in the air in defence in the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan17 Posted 21 April, 2012 Share Posted 21 April, 2012 (edited) DespIte all the **** on here we lost the game because ultimately we didn't clear our lines twice. Despite the hero worship given to our, it has to be said, average centre halves neither have done that much this season. It's easy to be a great. Defender when youve got 60% possession and are 3-0 up how many times has our defence held onto a 1-0 lead when our backs are against the wall? None is my observation. People will talk about Leeds but in truth that was poor finishing not because our defence was ruthless. Yet again 3 point were thrown away due to defensive cock ups. We woe be up and champions by now if we knew how to defend! Leeds away.........................and now I have read it properly...(DOH).....but still, the answer stands. And for the record I thought we defended incredibly well that day, yeah we got lucky but still. Edited 21 April, 2012 by dan17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 21 April, 2012 Share Posted 21 April, 2012 The problem that I had with Fonte today was that the foul was needless. He had got the flight of the ball and could see that it was going to defeat him, therefore it was going to defeat Juz too. He didn't need to grapple with him, centrally, 20 yards from goal - it was poor decission making and poor defending. Once he had done it though - you just knew that it was going to end up in the onion bag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raging Bull Posted 21 April, 2012 Share Posted 21 April, 2012 Leeds away.........................and now I have read it properly...(DOH).....but still, the answer stands. And for the record I thought we defended incredibly well that day, yeah we got lucky but still. so once then in 45 league games. I critisised fonte earlier in the season and got nibbled at but he's shaky at times and turkish is right, we didn't do the simple things twice and got punished twice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 21 April, 2012 Share Posted 21 April, 2012 Fonte was pure, pure quality in League 1. In this division, he's shown glimpses of that but been found out too often. Jos, I like him as a player, but in truth has also been caught out more times than he should have been. Add in Richardson & Fox who are great going forwards, less so in defence, and it adds up to a defence that can definitely be improved upon. And will need to be, if we do manage to clinch promotion. I wouldn't be surprised to see at least one of that pairing replaced if we go up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 21 April, 2012 Share Posted 21 April, 2012 Kaspars Gorkss probably would have done a job for us. Oh well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raging Bull Posted 21 April, 2012 Share Posted 21 April, 2012 Kaspars Gorkss probably would have done a job for us. Oh well. So would a lot of defenders but we didn't buy him so it doesn't matter. Incidentlly I dont think he's as good as Jos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OfnPanad Posted 21 April, 2012 Share Posted 21 April, 2012 Fonte tries to play like Claus but he's just not good enough. Too much holding, too much using other players as leverage...how many free kicks will he concede it the Prem? Hooiveld can stay for me as he has a great eye for an interception but we need a big name dependable centre half alongside him - the sort of signing that Jaidi was for a League 1 side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 21 April, 2012 Share Posted 21 April, 2012 Can we please stop slating the team with one game left in the season... Most of you do not desrve promotion. This team has be brilliant all season, only one game has fonte looked off the pace and that was Against a striker with premier league experience. Today I can tell you, 5 times out of 10 that free kick would not have been given. Happens all the time to strikers. I think our centre backs have been pretty awesome all season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 21 April, 2012 Share Posted 21 April, 2012 Can we please stop slating the team with one game left in the season... Most of you do not desrve promotion. This team has be brilliant all season, only one game has fonte looked off the pace and that was Against a striker with premier league experience. Today I can tell you, 5 times out of 10 that free kick would not have been given. Happens all the time to strikers. I think our centre backs have been pretty awesome all season. Who is slating the team....??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 21 April, 2012 Share Posted 21 April, 2012 Who is slating the team....??? They are part of our nearly promotion winning team aren't they? So not done that badly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 21 April, 2012 Share Posted 21 April, 2012 They are part of our nearly promotion winning team aren't they? So not done that badly? The question was 'who is slating the team'? I'll take that as a nobody then. You appear to have misread the thread title - we are merely debating the merits of aquiring a centre half who can head the ball - consistently. For what it's worth, we lost the game today, because one of ours, misread the flight of the ball, got caught underneath it (for the second time in the last couple of games as well) and gave away a free kick. They took the free kick and scored the winning goal. Oh how I wish that centre half had headed they ball away. Want to join the debate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 21 April, 2012 Share Posted 21 April, 2012 So would a lot of defenders but we didn't buy him so it doesn't matter. Incidentlly I dont think he's as good as Jos. Why doesn't it matter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 22 April, 2012 Author Share Posted 22 April, 2012 (edited) Leeds away.........................and now I have read it properly...(DOH).....but still, the answer stands. And for the record I thought we defended incredibly well that day, yeah we got lucky but still. Utter bollix. We didn't win at Leeds because we defended brilliantly. We won because they couldn't finish their dinner and some outstanding goal keeping and luck. That was not a great defensive display. As I've said before its easay to to be a great defender when you have 65% possession. How many time have our defence kept. Clean sheet at 0-0 or 1-0? We always look likely to concede when a team outs us under pressure. Edited 22 April, 2012 by Turkish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 22 April, 2012 Share Posted 22 April, 2012 (edited) I said after the Reading game that we should have dropped Fonte for Martin, but despite his massive c*ck ups the majority of people responded telling me "you can't change the team around at such a vital stage of the season based on a few games form"...well when can you change it around then!? Hooiveld however has been outstanding. Edited 22 April, 2012 by Saint_clark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFKA South Woodford Posted 22 April, 2012 Share Posted 22 April, 2012 Yes we do need one, even more so for next season. Either that or Cortese needs to start hitting Fonte and Jos in the pocket for every long punt up the pitch that they let bounce rather than attacking and getting the ball clear, to teach them a well needed lesson. They have both been guilty of dilly dallying and then getting caught by an attacking player stealing in ahead of them this season, something that they will have to rectify to keep their places next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 22 April, 2012 Share Posted 22 April, 2012 I said after the Reading game that we should have dropped Fonte for Martin, but despite his massive c*ck ups the majority of people responded telling me "you can't change the team around at such a vital stage of the season based on a few games form"...well when can you change it around then!? Hooiveld however has been outstanding. You can change it around when you have a player who can come in and perform better than the current incumbent. Martin IMO is weaker than Fonte, and also succeptible to mistakes; therefore would not have been an improvement. Which highlights why, particularly if we go up next season, we probably need to enter the transfer market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colbury Posted 22 April, 2012 Share Posted 22 April, 2012 I said after the Reading game that we should have dropped Fonte for Martin, but despite his massive c*ck ups the majority of people responded telling me "you can't change the team around at such a vital stage of the season based on a few games form"...well when can you change it around then!? Hooiveld however has been outstanding. Hooiveld turns like a tugboat and gets found out by anyone with a bit of pace/movement. Nowhere near good enough for the Prem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkSFC Posted 22 April, 2012 Share Posted 22 April, 2012 I agree to some degree about Fonte who seems to have stood still - no pun intended - over the season. Hooiveld though has been excellent mostly The problem I think we have is the lack of an out and out defensive centre midfielder. All 3 are niether that or an attacking midfielder so the balance hn midfield has never been quite right and this is the area I think has cost us in our defeats. I have no doubt whatsoever that we will beat Coventry so in the summer we will need 1 CM and CB if not two better than we have. Fonte, Cork and Hammond should not be first choice next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 22 April, 2012 Share Posted 22 April, 2012 DespIte all the **** on here we lost the game because ultimately we didn't clear our lines twice. Despite the hero worship given to our, it has to be said, average centre halves neither have done that much this season. It's easy to be a great. Defender when youve got 60% possession and are 3-0 up how many times has our defence held onto a 1-0 lead when our backs are against the wall? None is my observation. People will talk about Leeds but in truth that was poor finishing not because our defence was ruthless. Yet again 3 point were thrown away due to defensive cock ups. We woe be up and champions by now if we knew how to defend! Calm down dear. Both Jos and Fonte are normally quite good in the air and the record shows we have lost one league game this season (yesterdays as it happens) from a leading position. Now you might think that's not good enough for some odd reason, but to this fan it seems a pretty good return. I would say however that stats aren't always the full truth of the matter and we often don't look as defensibly sound as that stat suggests we are. In my view our collective defence would certainly require strengthening in order to withstand the rigors of a Premier League season - when and if we do actually get that far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelkel31 Posted 22 April, 2012 Share Posted 22 April, 2012 I said after the Reading game that we should have dropped Fonte for Martin, but despite his massive c*ck ups the majority of people responded telling me "you can't change the team around at such a vital stage of the season based on a few games form"...well when can you change it around then!? Hooiveld however has been outstanding. jos has been great but if we stick to the op statement it was a jos header that not for the first time was not directed away from goal or have any real distance allowing baily to get a stike at the goal, compounded by the cm pairing being nowhere to be seen at an important stage of the game and chaplow turning away from the shot rather than putting his body on the line for the team. sounds a lot like a game a few weeks ago which also cost us an important game, so as well as cloaning morgan we probably need a monster cb ala jaidi, oh and some fullbacks and a right midfielder pls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 22 April, 2012 Share Posted 22 April, 2012 Hooiveld turns like a tugboat and gets found out by anyone with a bit of pace/movement. Nowhere near good enough for the Prem. Poor analogy, tugboats tunr very quickly and have very tight turning circle. Jos is class and your observation is crap. Great header of the ball. Martin is also a great header of the ball (in defence) but lacks some of the skill to play the Claus role. Jose is not a great header, seems to have lost his way since he got his hair cut, the Samson effect. We will need 2 new CBs for next season whatever league we are in, because Jaidi and Danny will not be here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monk Posted 22 April, 2012 Share Posted 22 April, 2012 We need a pacey CB such as Curtis Davies. Our problem is the second ball, which is the central midfielders need to look at, not just CB's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycrow Posted 22 April, 2012 Share Posted 22 April, 2012 so once then in 45 league games. I critisised fonte earlier in the season and got nibbled at but he's shaky at times and turkish is right, we didn't do the simple things twice and got punished twice. No its not once in 45 games. We weren't 1-0 up with our backs to the wall in 45 games this season. That's why we've been in the top two since day 1 I wonder do any of you take the time to sit down and listen to yourselves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 22 April, 2012 Author Share Posted 22 April, 2012 No its not once in 45 games. We weren't 1-0 up with our backs to the wall in 45 games this season. That's why we've been in the top two since day 1 I wonder do any of you take the time to sit down and listen to yourselves Blackpool, Reading, Middeslborough, Ipswich, Skates. All games we have lost or dropped points in In the last 11 games due to individual errors. In truth we rarely concede great goals, a lot of goals we conede are from cock ups. I wonder if some people watch the same team as me. We are flat track bullies, great when we are on top but when our backs are against the wall and we need to grind out a win we are usually found wanting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dronskisaint Posted 22 April, 2012 Share Posted 22 April, 2012 Blackpool, Reading, Middeslborough, Ipswich, Skates. All games we have lost or dropped points in In the last 11 games due to individual errors. In truth we rarely concede great goals, a lot of goals we conede are from cock ups. I wonder if some people watch the same team as me. We are flat track bullies, great when we are on top but when our backs are against the wall and we need to grind out a win we are usually found wanting. What you say may be true but given our league position it would tend to suggest that 20 odd others do it worse than us. Certainly if we do go up there are a number of areas that need looking at but no team makes no mistakes...I've felt that we look better defensively when we're attacking (stating the bl*eding obvious!) and our set up is better geared to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 22 April, 2012 Share Posted 22 April, 2012 You can change it around when you have a player who can come in and perform better than the current incumbent. Martin IMO is weaker than Fonte, and also succeptible to mistakes; therefore would not have been an improvement. Which highlights why, particularly if we go up next season, we probably need to enter the transfer market. But when you've got a player as out of form as Fonte, I think you cannot afford to keep him in the side. Martin has done his job well when called upon this season - no reason to suspect he wouldn't do so again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 23 April, 2012 Share Posted 23 April, 2012 But when you've got a player as out of form as Fonte, I think you cannot afford to keep him in the side. Martin has done his job well when called upon this season - no reason to suspect he wouldn't do so again. I made the very same point several weeks ago, and it got a very unpopular response. Fonte is / has been a good player for the last two seasons, but since coming back from his injury in the Autumn, he's been very poor. Make or break decision time for NA ..last game of the season. I wonder if he's considering it ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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