S-Clarke Posted 22 April, 2012 Share Posted 22 April, 2012 It was an awful bit of refereeing, and it changed the game. We were playing well up until that point (albeit not rally testing the keeper) and then the ref' goes and pulls a clanger like that. It totally deflated us, and boosted boro noticeably. Unfortunately we lost Chaplow soon after too, so that was the game gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harwellsaint Posted 22 April, 2012 Share Posted 22 April, 2012 thisI ****ing hate it when refs bottle it. He knew the defender was already on a yellow and was too scared to send him off. Spineless, pussy, tosser of a ref. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsbridge Saint Posted 22 April, 2012 Share Posted 22 April, 2012 Obvious second yellow. The only consolation is that the ref knows it, the assessor in the stands knows it, and the bellend is going to get marked down for it. He can kiss the Prem goodbye for another season I reckon. Coward refs - probably the worst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Lej Posted 22 April, 2012 Share Posted 22 April, 2012 Let's be honest the decision not to send off Hines was an absolute disgrace and momentum changed massively as a result of it. Fairly sure we'd have got at least a point if the **** of a ref had done his job properly. Refereeing like that is not acceptable. He saw the foul, he gave the decision, he then decided not to follow the letter of the law which has ultimately cost us. Spineless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 22 April, 2012 Share Posted 22 April, 2012 it was a terrible decision...lallana was clean through and about to shoot.... ffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Kint Posted 22 April, 2012 Share Posted 22 April, 2012 As others have said, it was disgusting. Refs have a hard job sometimes and i think we can all accept innocent mistakes but yesterday wasn't that. He gave the foul, the only decision to make was a straight red or second yellow, but he choked. Spineless, gutless performance from a ref who didn't have the mental toughness to make a big decision when he needed to.. Any other player he would have booked him. If the teams were reversed he would have booked him. A true 'homer' decision which had a massive impact on the result, despite what some posters have claimed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corky morris Posted 22 April, 2012 Share Posted 22 April, 2012 And then he booked Fonte for the foul that lead to their 2nd goal! Utter c o c k! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 22 April, 2012 Share Posted 22 April, 2012 I ****ing hate it when refs bottle it. He knew the defender was already on a yellow and was too scared to send him off. Spineless, pussy, tosser of a ref. Get used to it the refs will be the same in the prem when we play the big clubs, Toomers right, if we go up this will happen week in and week out just like it used to. We might as well get the hang of it now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 22 April, 2012 Share Posted 22 April, 2012 We lost because we were all over the place defensively. Yes Hines should have been sent off but don't forget they had a goal disallowed for offside that TV has shown was onside. If we go ahead on Saturday, please Nigel, cram everyone in front of our goalmouth! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daren W Posted 22 April, 2012 Share Posted 22 April, 2012 Actually I'm rather stunned that people on here are dismissing the incident as "One of those things"... It was a shocking decision, puts them on ten men and was a game changer. No doubt about it.. Whether or not this sort of crap happens is by the by... It's wrong... End of.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 22 April, 2012 Share Posted 22 April, 2012 We lost because we were all over the place defensively. Yes Hines should have been sent off but don't forget they had a goal disallowed for offside that TV has shown was onside. If we go ahead on Saturday, please Nigel, cram everyone in front of our goalmouth! No it didn't. That looke offside to me at the time and it looked offside in the replay. Also the whistle was blown before he shot so nothing was disallowed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannysfc Posted 22 April, 2012 Share Posted 22 April, 2012 Bull**** from the ref, its all very well saying that you can't blame the ref but when you're playing good teams away the game is going to be very tight and the impact of the ref can be decisive. The ref completely bottled it and it would have left us in complete control. Yeh well said anothersaintinsouthsea Mate as actually watching it all unfold nearly everyone there-(from Saints!) all thought that Lalanna was in on goal and that the guy should have seen Red or at least a Yellow But basically we got done by the ref and that in my eyes that he did Bottle it and that decision costed us the game and that Boro scored 2 great goals or at least the second one was as the 1st one may of deflected in past Davis But that's Football and that hopefully come 9:30-9:45 on Monday night that Nigel Pearson would have helped his old club Saints out by spanking West Ham or at least holding them to a Draw to help get Saints Promoted But we'l see!!! Anyway I still think that Saints will do it and that we'l bounce back and hopefully spank Coventry 3/4-0 at least But we'l see!!! COYR!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyer Posted 22 April, 2012 Share Posted 22 April, 2012 It's not just the lack of a sending off, Adam would have had a real chance of scoring. It was as clear a professional foul as you will ever see. No chance, the Saints player fell into a defender which means it wasnt a clear chance, it was a yellow though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 22 April, 2012 Share Posted 22 April, 2012 No chance, the Saints player fell into a defender which means it wasnt a clear chance, it was a yellow though. Well he fell into a defender because he was tripped. Without the trip Adam could have had a shot at goal from the edge of the area. It was a definite professional foul and he got away with it. If I had been the ref I would have given a yellow, which would have been his second of the match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 22 April, 2012 Share Posted 22 April, 2012 No chance, the Saints player fell into a defender which means it wasnt a clear chance, it was a yellow though. He was tripped from behind....Hines knew exactly what he was doing and his grin afterwards when the ref bottled it told all.. The ref knew it was a card and made an horrendous decision to send Hines away without even a word let alone a card... Very poor referee all through.....He was in front of Bailey who commetted a forearm smash and waived play on... But Saints threw it away......But the ref should be suspended for set number of games......either he is bent or he is incompetent.. It would be an interesting excuse for him to give for not waving a card at Hines.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 22 April, 2012 Share Posted 22 April, 2012 If he gives the foul he has to dish out a card. He bottled it and it ruined our flow and the rest is history. Cu nt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torres Posted 23 April, 2012 Share Posted 23 April, 2012 We were well on top when the ref made the cock up and it did totally deflate us. It shouldn't have done, we should have been mentally stronger to forget about the injustice and carry on playing the way we were, but we didn't. I have little doubt that we would have gone on to win in the ref had made the correct decision and sent Hines off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazlo78 Posted 23 April, 2012 Share Posted 23 April, 2012 Awful decision. Could have given us a win right there. That said, we had two dangerous free kicks with no end result, they had one that won the game... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 23 April, 2012 Share Posted 23 April, 2012 This is definitely one of these situations where it would be fair to the paying public if the referee was to justify his decision afterwards ! Things like 'offside', 'ball over the line', 'flying elbows', 'shirt pulling' etc, etc.. can be put down to human error/personal opinion but in this case he saw the foul, gave the foul, knew the whole situation but mysteriously never produced a card ! If he were to give a reason or even apologise (it occasionally does happen, ie. Atkinson in the Chelsea v Spurs game!) then there would be some sort of closure ! In the meantime, any sane person who witnessed this (either live or on the telly!) assumes him to be a bottler or even a cheating b.astard !!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 23 April, 2012 Share Posted 23 April, 2012 The decision not to send him off was wrong and influenced the team, had he been sent off apart from not making Boro so gung-ho, it would not have made much difference to us as against 10 men we have been poor at making the man advantage count these last few seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 23 April, 2012 Share Posted 23 April, 2012 So the referee got it wrong and is incompetent. We have endured worse referees in this division who have made worse errors of judgement. Granted that it is arguable that their errors appear to be less costly now, but points lost from their earlier mistakes would have made the loss on Saturday irelevant, as we would have already been promoted. But for my money, the bigger mistake that lost us the game was Fonte's stupidity in giving away an unecessary free kick in such a dangerous area, when there was a covering defender available. If it costs us promotion, I'm bracketing him together with Leon Best and the spectacular own goal he scored against us in the play-offs last time around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyer Posted 23 April, 2012 Share Posted 23 April, 2012 Of course he was tripped from behind but he wasnt the last man back hence it wasnt a professional foul and should be a yellow. Its a red if the other player wasnt covering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 23 April, 2012 Share Posted 23 April, 2012 Of course he was tripped from behind but he wasnt the last man back hence it wasnt a professional foul and should be a yellow. Its a red if the other player wasnt covering. So it was a second yellow? So i think that would be a red? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syd_barrett_saint Posted 23 April, 2012 Share Posted 23 April, 2012 We lost because we were all over the place defensively. Yes Hines should have been sent off but don't forget they had a goal disallowed for offside that TV has shown was onside. If we go ahead on Saturday, please Nigel, cram everyone in front of our goalmouth! I'm sorry, but the TV replay showed that it was just offside. The commentators on Sky also confirmed that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 23 April, 2012 Share Posted 23 April, 2012 Of course he was tripped from behind but he wasnt the last man back hence it wasnt a professional foul and should be a yellow. Its a red if the other player wasnt covering. I think we would all agree with you. A definite yellow to go with the one he picked up 5 minutes earlier. That's why everybody is so aggrieved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 23 April, 2012 Share Posted 23 April, 2012 It was a yellow not a red and I'm sure the Ref will be reminded of this during his debrief or whatever the assesor does with him. On the FLS they said that he had only sent 2 people off in 40 odd games, so maybe it wasn't a question of bottle, just that he likes to keep 11 men on the pitch. As for game changing, it clearly was. It would have been the best passing side in the league against 10 men, with the 10 men needing a win. Personally, I think we would have passed them to death and in their desperation of having to score we would have picked them off and won 3 or 4-1. That said the disgraceful peno given at SMS against Brighton was also a game changer, so you have to take the rough with the smooth. Ref's are the reason I want the race over tonight, we do not want to leave it to chance on Sat. An early Ref howler Sat and we could be up against it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anothersaintinsouthsea Posted 23 April, 2012 Share Posted 23 April, 2012 It was a yellow not a red and I'm sure the Ref will be reminded of this during his debrief or whatever the assesor does with him. On the FLS they said that he had only sent 2 people off in 40 odd games, so maybe it wasn't a question of bottle, just that he likes to keep 11 men on the pitch. As for game changing, it clearly was. It would have been the best passing side in the league against 10 men, with the 10 men needing a win. Personally, I think we would have passed them to death and in their desperation of having to score we would have picked them off and won 3 or 4-1. That said the disgraceful peno given at SMS against Brighton was also a game changer, so you have to take the rough with the smooth. Ref's are the reason I want the race over tonight, we do not want to leave it to chance on Sat. An early Ref howler Sat and we could be up against it. Totally agree with this. You feel that we're due the rub of the green but anything can happen and the old cliche "it evens itself out over the season" will be no consolation on Saturday if the ref has a shocker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilf Posted 23 April, 2012 Share Posted 23 April, 2012 Of course he was tripped from behind but he wasnt the last man back hence it wasnt a professional foul and should be a yellow. Its a red if the other player wasnt covering. "It wasn't a professional foul" - good grief ! It was the most blatant professional foul you'll ever see, and he got away with it. What you're arguing is whether or not it was a "clear goal scoring opportunity" which would have been a mandatory red card. However refs are perfectly entitled to issue a straight red for any professional foul. But anyway, as you say, a clear yellow card offence if not red. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 23 April, 2012 Share Posted 23 April, 2012 Of course he was tripped from behind but he wasnt the last man back hence it wasnt a professional foul and should be a yellow. Its a red if the other player wasnt covering. I've just noticed that phrase. A professional foul can take place anywhere on the pitch, it's a deliberate foul for whatever reason, usually to stop a player breaking away downfield but it could just be that your goalkeeper was out of position and you wanted to buy some time. I think you're confusing this with the specific offence of 'denying an obvious goalscoring opportunity' and the foul does not have to be committed by the last man in defence for this to apply, this is merely one of the guidelines often spouted by uninformed commentators. Seeing your location, I must say that the decision on Shaun Derry was even more ridiculous than this example. Time to move on, I feel, but let's hope that tonight's referee bends over backwards to help Leicester. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knellster Posted 23 April, 2012 Share Posted 23 April, 2012 Agree it was a terrible decision but to put paid to a few claims on here: Refs at this level are not paid a lot of money. Even in the Premier League they'll be getting less in a year than many players do in a week. The ref wouldn't have got to the level he has if he bottled big decisions and that was so clear cut it wasn't a big decision. Also if we are going to suspend this ref for a really bad mistake do we also suspend Fonte for giving away that free kick? Or Billy Sharp for missing a pen at Blackpool? Lastly one possible reason why he didn't send him off: I knew it was no 15 cos I could see his shirt when he fell. Since we were behind the goal it would mean that the ref couldn't see his no and before he got chance to identify him he was surrounded by Saints players trying to get their guy sent off. Can't think of any other reason why the card didn't come out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintant Posted 23 April, 2012 Share Posted 23 April, 2012 Er so you were stood behind the goal with Hines running towards you and could see his shirt number yet the ref who would presumably have been running behind trying to keep up with play couldn't see the number even though Hines had his back to him. I'm confused by that piece of logic. Also, believe that the ref informed our players he did not intend booking Hines almost straight after the offence and that is what incensed them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 23 April, 2012 Share Posted 23 April, 2012 Rumour has it they're all ******s. What should we expect on Saturday? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knellster Posted 23 April, 2012 Share Posted 23 April, 2012 I said I saw his number when he fell. Perhaps I should have said after he had fallen. The point was he then had his back to those of us behind the goal so the ref couldn't see his number. I really don't think the ref would have noted his number before the foul on the off chance that he would commit one. If he did say he wasn't intending to issue a card then he's simply wrong. I was just trying to think of a reasonable explanation as to why he didn't issue one because the idea that the foul didn't warrant it isn't reasonable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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