Micky Posted 20 April, 2012 Share Posted 20 April, 2012 Interesting verdict: http://news.sky.com/home/uk-news/article/16212826 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Mikey Posted 20 April, 2012 Share Posted 20 April, 2012 Anyone know more about the verdict? Why he's been sent down, but not the other guy? That's really put the kibosh on his career, was doing well too. He'll get another club when he's released in 2 1/2 years or so, but he'll have to start at Lge 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloridaMarlin Posted 20 April, 2012 Share Posted 20 April, 2012 Sticky seconds? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 20 April, 2012 Share Posted 20 April, 2012 I'm intrigued to know how a girl who was quoted as saying "I was too drunk to remember ANYTHING" can therefore be sure she didn't give consent? Surely she wouldn't be able to remember if she did? Beyond reasonable doubt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 20 April, 2012 Share Posted 20 April, 2012 I'm intrigued to know how a girl who was quoted as saying "I was too drunk to remember ANYTHING" can therefore be sure she didn't give consent? Surely she wouldn't be able to remember if she did? Beyond reasonable doubt? Apparently when somebody is that drunk, they are not capable of giving consent...so if you have sex with someone who says yes but is over the legal limit, it could be considered rape. What a load of f*cking rubbish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seaford Saint Posted 20 April, 2012 Share Posted 20 April, 2012 Lgtl my thoughts exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 20 April, 2012 Share Posted 20 April, 2012 Premier League Players from top clubs are relatively untouchable for this kind of thing. A white lower league International player getting the book thrown at him for this kind of wrong behaviour is the perfect example to send out to some players who think they are the Mutts nuts on the pull and untouchable in the eyes of the law. Take Ashley Cole, if anyone else had shot someone else in the backside with an Air Pistol they would not have had such an easy experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anothersaintinsouthsea Posted 20 April, 2012 Share Posted 20 April, 2012 Premier League Players from top clubs are relatively untouchable for this kind of thing. A white lower league International player getting the book thrown at him for this kind of wrong behaviour is the perfect example to send out to some players who think they are the Mutts nuts on the pull and untouchable in the eyes of the law. Take Ashley Cole, if anyone else had shot someone else in the backside with an Air Pistol they would not have had such an easy experience. what's him being white got to do with anything? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brightspark Posted 20 April, 2012 Share Posted 20 April, 2012 what's him being white got to do with anything? He's probably referring to the 'racism' that would come with a black player going down for such a thing. That's the world we live in. Can't comprehend how these 2 guys have such vastly different sentences. From what I have read, the one guy started it and then Evans joined in later. Absolute shambles. The Port Vale player should go down too, arguably for more than Evans! And 5 years is far too steep. Just my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 20 April, 2012 Author Share Posted 20 April, 2012 Well as I see it, she apparently said yes to one, but no to another one - yet can't remember even going to the hotel. Just think that the whole case seems a little strange to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suomi Saint Posted 21 April, 2012 Share Posted 21 April, 2012 A strange case, but they should all be ashamed of themselves. Taking advantage of a 19-year old and even filming it on their mobiles. Both should have been locked up if anything. Evans will have a hard time now as a convicted sex offender. Silly boy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sentry Posted 21 April, 2012 Share Posted 21 April, 2012 Connor Borwn of SUFC has come in now saying his views on twitter. If I were SUFC I would get rid of him too for his comments and also obviously Evans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rasiak-9- Posted 21 April, 2012 Share Posted 21 April, 2012 Connor Borwn of SUFC has come in now saying his views on twitter. If I were SUFC I would get rid of him too for his comments and also obviously Evans. Care to elaborate? Unless they have cameras in the actual hotel room how or unless cameras in the lobby/corridors actually showed them carrying a passed out girl into their room it does seem like a very strange verdict. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 21 April, 2012 Share Posted 21 April, 2012 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2132750/Wales-footballer-Ched-Evans-raped-teenager-drunk-consent-told-judge-thrown-away-successful-career-jailed-years.html My opinion is that "rape" is a totally inappropriate charge for this, unless the girl was actually unconscious at the time of the smashing. There seems to be no suggestion she went with them against her will, no suggestion any physical force was used and no suggestion she asked them to stop at any point. To categorise this sort of thing in the same bracket as committing a predatory violent sexual assault on someone who has indicated no willingness is absurd. Had she no interest in going on the lash that night and getting smashed by a lad she would not have found herself in the hotel. That doesn't seem to be in dispute. Rather than shifting the burden on to the lads to make some sort of judgment as to the mental state of the bird, the responsibility should rest squarely on the bird IMO to maintain a state of awareness where she is capable of exercising her discretion should she so wish. I don't see why the bird being hammered should shift the burden of discerning her thoughts onto the smasher; it should remain with the smashee and her thoughts are evidenced externally by her actions. If you have a propensity to sleep with people you don't want to when drunk, then don't get drunk. It may be that Evans snuck in whilst she was unconscious and slipped her the sausage. Clearly that's not on. That is rape. So maybe that's what happened. Either way, you can't trust a man who tweets that he thinks J-Lo is great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chin Strain Posted 21 April, 2012 Share Posted 21 April, 2012 Care to elaborate? Unless they have cameras in the actual hotel room how or unless cameras in the lobby/corridors actually showed them carrying a passed out girl into their room it does seem like a very strange verdict. But surely it only seems odd because you haven't sat through the trial and heard all of the evidence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chin Strain Posted 21 April, 2012 Share Posted 21 April, 2012 Is it that hard to just avoid fcking the hammered barely conscious girl on a night out? Don't act like such a *****, or have a weird desire to have orgies with your teammates and these things won't happen. No it's not the same as violent rape etc., but he still sounds like a complete tool. Yep, all of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonjoe Posted 21 April, 2012 Share Posted 21 April, 2012 Apparently when somebody is that drunk, they are not capable of giving consent...so if you have sex with someone who says yes but is over the legal limit, it could be considered rape. What a load of f*cking rubbish. Oh dear. If only I had a face palm emoticon at my disposal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rasiak-9- Posted 21 April, 2012 Share Posted 21 April, 2012 But surely it only seems odd because you haven't sat through the trial and heard all of the evidence? That's what I'm saying. What IS the evidence? I couldn't care less whether or not he's innocent or guilty or whether he goes free or not, doesn't matter to me. I don't have a vested interest either way, but I was wondering what the evidence itself was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chin Strain Posted 21 April, 2012 Share Posted 21 April, 2012 That's what I'm saying. What IS the evidence? I couldn't care less whether or not he's innocent or guilty or whether he goes free or not, doesn't matter to me. I don't have a vested interest either way, but I was wondering what the evidence itself was. No idea....I didn't sit through the trial, but that's the point....what might seem odd from the outside may make perfect sense if we'd been jurors and spent the last week hearing evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulsfc Posted 21 April, 2012 Share Posted 21 April, 2012 Good riddance to the scumbag - his attitude was (as he said in court, albeit i am paraphrasing) I'm a rich footballer, I can get any girl I want. Doesn't exactly sound like the romantic type does he? With the little info that has been released it seems like the rape occurred when he had sex with someone who either was unaware of what was happening or too intoxicated to give any kind of consent (just because she had sex with one man does not mean she would want to have sex with another). The sh*tbag should have realised that she was in no fit state to agree to anything but he went ahead anyway. That is rape any which way you look at it. That is why he went down and the other fella got off, she had agreed to go back to the hotel with him, whether he took advantage of her drunken state is a different matter but obviously the jury felt that he hadn't acted unlawfully (or couldn't prove that he had) As for the tosspot, no mark footballer that called her a money grabbing tramp on twitter he should remember that she hasn't sold her story she went to the police. Don't think they pay victims for info. Hope he gets the sack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintSi Posted 22 April, 2012 Share Posted 22 April, 2012 i've ****ged drunk birds. jail me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 22 April, 2012 Share Posted 22 April, 2012 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2132750/Wales-footballer-Ched-Evans-raped-teenager-drunk-consent-told-judge-thrown-away-successful-career-jailed-years.html My opinion is that "rape" is a totally inappropriate charge for this, unless the girl was actually unconscious at the time of the smashing. There seems to be no suggestion she went with them against her will, no suggestion any physical force was used and no suggestion she asked them to stop at any point. To categorise this sort of thing in the same bracket as committing a predatory violent sexual assault on someone who has indicated no willingness is absurd. Had she no interest in going on the lash that night and getting smashed by a lad she would not have found herself in the hotel. That doesn't seem to be in dispute. Rather than shifting the burden on to the lads to make some sort of judgment as to the mental state of the bird, the responsibility should rest squarely on the bird IMO to maintain a state of awareness where she is capable of exercising her discretion should she so wish. I don't see why the bird being hammered should shift the burden of discerning her thoughts onto the smasher; it should remain with the smashee and her thoughts are evidenced externally by her actions. If you have a propensity to sleep with people you don't want to when drunk, then don't get drunk. It may be that Evans snuck in whilst she was unconscious and slipped her the sausage. Clearly that's not on. That is rape. So maybe that's what happened. Either way, you can't trust a man who tweets that he thinks J-Lo is great. Would you talk about your own daughter in that way? I suspect you are still a spotty teenager so will hopefully grow out of it..... jeez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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