stockbridge_saint Posted 10 November, 2008 Share Posted 10 November, 2008 What the hell is all this? Jan is doing the best job possible, working purely with youth with no money at all. He should drop Lancashire though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaptopSaint Posted 10 November, 2008 Share Posted 10 November, 2008 Jan's not going to leave unless he resigns of his own accord or we get taken over. As neither scenario looks likely to me, it's time to get behind him and start praying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 10 November, 2008 Share Posted 10 November, 2008 Forget coaching ability, you employ coaches for that. A good manager is one who inspires and is respected and who players want to play well for. And where does Chris Marsden fit into this category? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintchristopher Posted 10 November, 2008 Share Posted 10 November, 2008 for us to get pride and passion in wearing the red and white back on the field we need a manager to put the pride and passion wearing the red and white onto the training field and dressing room and not be scared to upset people so theres only 1 person out there who i feel will be able to do this and thats dowie ..and i think if we get him he will bring the needed supporters back to the stadium too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 10 November, 2008 Share Posted 10 November, 2008 As neither scenario looks likely to me, it's time to get behind him and start praying. I started doing that weeks ago!!! I have this picture from Bruce Almighty with God's Inbox full of prayers from Saints fans asking for salvation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 10 November, 2008 Share Posted 10 November, 2008 I started doing that weeks ago!!! I have this picture from Bruce Almighty with God's Inbox full of prayers from Saints fans asking for salvation. Perfect image and summary of current situation Except Bruce actually managed to do stuff :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Worm Posted 10 November, 2008 Share Posted 10 November, 2008 what about Bruce Rioch? been sacked by Aalborg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 10 November, 2008 Share Posted 10 November, 2008 Perfect image and summary of current situation Except Bruce actually managed to do stuff :-) I've also got this image of Lowe quickly deleting all the e mails whilst God is talking to Peter, or maybe Cowen sat outside rerouting all the emails to the junk folder!!!!!!!! This will be done his way (no capitals for the h as this "his" is Lowe!!!!). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 10 November, 2008 Share Posted 10 November, 2008 If Poortvliet were to leave you can bet your last dollar Stuart Henderson would replace him . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 10 November, 2008 Share Posted 10 November, 2008 If Poortvliet were to leave you can bet your last dollar Stuart Henderson would replace him . Yes.Another appointment from within would be par for the course,and prove - if proof is needed - that Lowe did not learn from the Gray,Wigley episodes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 10 November, 2008 Share Posted 10 November, 2008 The Major problems that any "Replacement Manager" would have to face are :- 1- 1000 ) Rupert Lowe would still be Chairman 1001 ) The "New" manager would inherit exactly what Poortvliet has got :- A Squad one season short in experience at CCC level ... very few senior experienced Pros, and NO MONEY to bring in those players with the craft of stabilising the ship So, WHAT would be the point of dumping Poortvliet ??? ..... The tradegy is, with just 2 or 3 more "senior" players, we WOULD have a half decent Team Remember ... LOWE sold off the best of what we had, NOT Poortvliet If you are realistic, Lowe's " Fire Sale " was pointless ..... compared to our overal DEBT, the monies received by those Sales are peanuts by comparison. The only achievement in that has been the allienation and demorilisation of us SUPPORTERS, and the major reduction in EXPERIENCE on the Pitch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scummer Posted 10 November, 2008 Share Posted 10 November, 2008 Finally, if we must go for inexperience and a young former player, why all these other options rather than Le Tissier? Work ethic? Matt just isn't cut out to be a manager, he knows that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 10 November, 2008 Share Posted 10 November, 2008 So we have people saying we don't want inexperience, we don't want someone getting their first job, yet we want Shearer? It's realistic to "get a takeover and appoint shearer"?? How clever. We should "get someone with a proven track record in this league on a budget". Who the hell is that?? Really?? Different teams go up and down, endless managers have success in the league, many of the same ones fail. Then we have many saying the squad is rubbish, the players aren't good enough. How can anyone believe that AND that we need a new manager? It doesn't fit. It's one or the other. Either JP isn't getting enough out the squad, or he's doing the best he can and they aren't good enough. Finally, if we must go for inexperience and a young former player, why all these other options rather than Le Tissier? I don't care about the ridiculous argument people come up with about being scared he'd fail, get out and take a risk once in a while. For me, Le Tissier shows more intelligence and insight into football than Shearer has ever done. He cares about the club far more, would work here for far less money and would get more time and support than ANYONE who could take the job. You'd get 32,000 people in the stadium right away with Le Tissier in charge. Maybe the initial rush would die down, but crowds would remain higher and money would flow in. More importantly, I truly believe he could actually do a decent job too. Certainly given the level we're now at and the low expectations. With the right people around him he wouldn't have any problems with experience anyway. He could even fit into the current structure. BUT, I doubt it would happen. Lowe said this was a long term strategy. It will be long term and I doubt very much JP will go soon. BUT, if he does, I think he'll be replaced by one of the others in the structure, perhaps a reshuffle, so Hockaday, Henderson or Wotte. Maybe another unknown, or at a stretch, Aidy Boothroyd if he was willing to take a big wage cut. And does MLT have the necessary qualifications ? It's not like it was in the old days, now you have to be qualified to manage or coach professional sides. As far as I know MLT has never taken the time to obtain the UEFA coaching badges UEFA B or UEFA A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 10 November, 2008 Share Posted 10 November, 2008 this sounds so MLT! from an interview he did Q - How do you enjoy being a coach? Is it something you've ever considered going into as a career? A - Yes, I did consider it for a while. I started my coaching badges last year but in the end, did not finish them as I did not find it very interesting and to be honest didn't fancy the prospect of coping with the stress of management. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickmick Posted 10 November, 2008 Share Posted 10 November, 2008 Micky Adams for me, Glen ****erill as his assistant. He would sort the full back problem out straight away. He has a good record with lower league teams (which we are now) on small budgets. He knows this area and what the fans expect. So no settling into the area issues. I bet the pair of them would work for the same fee as JP or even less. He gets teams superfit like Strachan. Only doubts are if they could work under Lowe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Posted 10 November, 2008 Share Posted 10 November, 2008 Micky Adams for me, Glen ****erill as his assistant. He would sort the full back problem out straight away. He has a good record with lower league teams (which we are now) on small budgets. He knows this area and what the fans expect. So no settling into the area issues. I bet the pair of them would work for the same fee as JP or even less. He gets teams superfit like Strachan. Only doubts are if they could work under Lowe. Six lines of optimism instantly squashed like a slug in a vice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 10 November, 2008 Share Posted 10 November, 2008 Micky Adams for me, Glen ****erill as his assistant. He would sort the full back problem out straight away. He has a good record with lower league teams (which we are now) on small budgets. He knows this area and what the fans expect. So no settling into the area issues. I bet the pair of them would work for the same fee as JP or even less. He gets teams superfit like Strachan. Only doubts are if they could work under Lowe. A rather sobering thought,but would Adams consider leaving Brighton for us,in our current plight ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickmick Posted 10 November, 2008 Share Posted 10 November, 2008 A rather sobering thought,but would Adams consider leaving Brighton for us,in our current plight ? I think he would. Maybe the guy on the other thread that is laying a patio for Glenn could ask, I believe they are good friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 10 November, 2008 Share Posted 10 November, 2008 We are sinking so low that Nick Holmes will soon reach our level. Hockaday it is for me while Lowe is still in charge as you need someone who knows how it is and that the club have to sell to survive. Once Lowe does indeed **** off then your choice will be anything upto 80% of any manager in England as Southampton Football Club has a great history with a superb following who will come back in numbers because we belong in the Premiership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 10 November, 2008 Share Posted 10 November, 2008 spoke to Micky a while ago, admittedly he was in Southampton and doesn't know me well so may have just been being polite! But he was saying how managing us was his dream job and would drop any job for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scummer Posted 10 November, 2008 Share Posted 10 November, 2008 Hockaday it is for me while Lowe is still in charge as you need someone who knows how it is and that the club have to sell to survive. Hockaday is majorly involved already. Who's to say anything would change if he was manager? Some would say he is already running the show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broncoboy Posted 10 November, 2008 Share Posted 10 November, 2008 Sooty with Sweep as one of his backroom boys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 10 November, 2008 Share Posted 10 November, 2008 We are sinking so low that Nick Holmes will soon reach our level. aha now we're talking, should have given him a stab when Burley left, couldn't have been any worse than Gorman and Dodd, probably cheaper and Salisbury?-well he could run that part time in the evening couldn't he. Missed opportunity there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 10 November, 2008 Share Posted 10 November, 2008 Poortvliet is finished. The angry look on the face of The Smarmy Little Twerp after the match on Saturday said it all. Expect an announcement this week, I'd guess about Wednesday. As for a cheap manager, Nicky Holmes comes to mind - he's done about all he can do at salisbury and is probably ready for a step up to the Third Division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 10 November, 2008 Share Posted 10 November, 2008 Poortvliet is finished. The angry look on the face of The Smarmy Little Twerp after the match on Saturday said it all. Expect an announcement this week, I'd guess about Wednesday. As for a cheap manager, Nicky Holmes comes to mind - he's done about all he can do at salisbury and is probably ready for a step up to the Third Division. Doubt it. Can't afford to pay him off and Rupert would never do something that looks like he is admitting he is in the wrong. He'll persevere until it's too late, or directly after the transfer window closes so the new bloke won't be able to get anyone in and Lalanna et al will be all gone by then. Can't see any bright future on this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowballs2 Posted 10 November, 2008 Share Posted 10 November, 2008 This topic is pointless , since Lowe would NEVER admit that he has made a mistake in bringing in portaloo and playing youth. There were alternatives a combination of youth and experience. Sadly Lowe bet all on youth...as hard as they try...they are not ready. This will be our downfall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 10 November, 2008 Share Posted 10 November, 2008 Poortvliet is finished. The angry look on the face of The Smarmy Little Twerp after the match on Saturday said it all. Expect an announcement this week, I'd guess about Wednesday. As for a cheap manager, Nicky Holmes comes to mind - he's done about all he can do at salisbury and is probably ready for a step up to the Third Division. Tisdale might be a better prospect than Nick. Has proved his ability now in league Two (excpet for embarrassing FA Cup exit at the weekend). Nick would I'm sure admit himself that he would not like the stress of managing Saints. Mark Hughes should be available soon, as he has just got the vote of confidence at Man City Personally I will stick with Cotterillas my realistic choice who I thought should have been appointed when Clueless George went north (no offence to NP who I would gladly have back, but that would never happen). Would not be upset with Dowie or Adams, but suspect both are unlikely for various reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 10 November, 2008 Share Posted 10 November, 2008 I would be happy with Micky Adams, persisting with this this Poortvleit experiment is pointless, it was doomed from the offset and will only get worse as the pitches get heavier and the games get more pressurized. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponto1963 Posted 10 November, 2008 Share Posted 10 November, 2008 Any one know of Wilde's opinion on this?? he is supposed to be Football Chairman !!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints67 Posted 10 November, 2008 Share Posted 10 November, 2008 Would any new manager bring a whole lot of new players with him? Or would he just have to motivate, tinker with formations and style with the players we have now? Frustrated as I am with this season so far it was always going to be a one step forward two steps back season. I don't think changing the manager now will change the outcome come May. It hasn't worked for us in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 10 November, 2008 Share Posted 10 November, 2008 Don't know. He did say he was doing some ages ago, I don't think he finished them all. But there always seems to be ways around it. Especially if he got the job and then did the qualifications. It's more important in the Premiership I think. I get the impression he'd like to manage or coach us some day, but not for a while. Problem is, I think we might need him sooner than he wants to come. Still, I only meant it against the pro-Shearer people. I just don't see what Shearer offers instead of Le Tissier. In my mind MLT has more knowledge, more intelligence, more passion for the club, more respect in the area and less desire to leave and manage Newcastle. No neither do I. The dispensation only usually applies to UEFA B badge holders who haven't giot round to doing their A yet. You can't have a tyro coaching certificate and promise you'll do the others later.:cool::cool: Shearer has at least the B badge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 10 November, 2008 Share Posted 10 November, 2008 Work ethic? Matt just isn't cut out to be a manager, he knows that. he's on £7k a week from Sky and works one day a week. Why on earth would he want to give up that cushy number to earn far less for a shed load more work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 10 November, 2008 Share Posted 10 November, 2008 i dont think any of you are being realistic...... all of the managers who wont come whilst lowe is here(apparently) wont be coming as there is nobody else to take lowes place,nobody else wants the gig. all of the managers who are decent wont come because they will want money to spend so that leaves us with the dregs........and the dregs are basically what we have already got. i really cant see the point in replacing like for like and again hoping that things will come good.it probably wont. the options we have got are :- lowe has something up his sleeve that will surprise us all. - maybe lowe hasnt got fvck all up his sleeve and we carry on. - probably a takeover occurs and lowe gets the elbow. - unlikely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 10 November, 2008 Share Posted 10 November, 2008 Pearson for me if he would come back, like to see what he could achieve with the players we have. Why on earth would Pearson leave Leicester, who he is guiding back to the CCC ....... to come back to a Club whose Chairman ditched him, and of course, to inherit a very very young inexperienced Squad who are heading TOWARDS Div 1 ??? I rate Pearson very highly, but I don't think even he could save us now There is only one thing we have yet to see ....... Lowe actually donning a shirt, and playing a match ........ " Rupert of The Rovers " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 10 November, 2008 Share Posted 10 November, 2008 We are sinking so low that Nick Holmes will soon reach our level. Hockaday it is for me while Lowe is still in charge as you need someone who knows how it is and that the club have to sell to survive. Once Lowe does indeed **** off then your choice will be anything upto 80% of any manager in England as Southampton Football Club has a great history with a superb following who will come back in numbers because we belong in the Premiership. The flaw with that of course is Lowe leaving ........ LOWE WILL NEVER LEAVE VOLUNTARILY ...... .... Cue Marlon Brando and Godfather 1 ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Posted 10 November, 2008 Share Posted 10 November, 2008 i dont think any of you are being realistic...... the options we have got are :- lowe has something up his sleeve that will surprise us all. I'm not saying a word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Chuckle Posted 10 November, 2008 Share Posted 10 November, 2008 think Wotte would be the likely replacement was just about to say if Jan goes Wotte is 100% to take the reigns IMO. Wotte is renowned for playing tough long ball football. Well the pretty stuff isn't working so might be worth a go???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 10 November, 2008 Share Posted 10 November, 2008 was just about to say if Jan goes Wotte is 100% to take the reigns IMO. Wotte is renowned for playing tough long ball football. Well the pretty stuff isn't working so might be worth a go???? from what i can gather,after meeting them both the other night is that they are both in it together,i really cant see wotte taking the helm if jan is elbowed,they came as a package and i think they will leave as a package. the only thing i can say about the meeting the other night is that wotte tended to answer the questions about finances etc and jan tended to answer the questions about the playing side of things so perhaps wotte is closer to lowe than JP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Cool Posted 10 November, 2008 Share Posted 10 November, 2008 Mark Hughes may soon be available according to the BBC gossip page http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/gossip_and_transfers/7719093.stm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Landrew Posted 10 November, 2008 Share Posted 10 November, 2008 I don't know why this subject continues to be talked about. Does anyone not know that there is a major financial crisis going on at SFC..? Lowe and Wilde have burnt the bridges. The great last experiment is underway and it is either succeed or SFC is doomed to administration, relegation and failure. Can you not see the predicament when it is staring you in the face..? WE CAN'T AFFORD TO CHANGE MANAGER AGAIN. This is it. I don't like it either, but under the present financial circumstances, if Jan doesn't succeed with the kids, this club falls into obscurity. Nobody with any money wants to take us over now, and certainly nobody with any money will want to once we've fallen further out of the limelight. Lowe's pathetic position is secure because nobody has the might, or the inclination to take it away from him. As I've said all along, Rupert will get the books right, and make an operating profit out of SFC. Trouble is, we'll be in League Two. Get used to it, or hope like hell that JP can get the kids playing brilliantly for 90 minutes, instead of in fits and starts. There are NO realistic alternatives. Lowe and Wilde have made it that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windmill Arm 2 Posted 10 November, 2008 Share Posted 10 November, 2008 Ronald McDonald This would be a realistic appointment, and I dont imagine it would cost too many Big Macs to appoint him. The extra money from having the McDonalds shirt advertising would be useful, But above all else I believe he has the presence required to make an impact in the dressing room (happy meals spring to mind) and his image would fit this club like a glove. RONALD MCDONALD IN !!!!!!!!!!!! Da da da da daaaa.....................I'm lovin it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 10 November, 2008 Share Posted 10 November, 2008 Mickey Adams or Iain Dowie would do a decent job on limited resources IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le Tissier Posted 11 November, 2008 Share Posted 11 November, 2008 i would like to see fergys nipper in the hot seat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windmill Arm 2 Posted 11 November, 2008 Share Posted 11 November, 2008 i would like to see fergys nipper in the hot seat An odd choice either way, but which did you mean, Eugenie or Beatrice ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudders Posted 11 November, 2008 Share Posted 11 November, 2008 An odd choice either way, but which did you mean, Eugenie or Beatrice ? :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sperm_john Posted 11 November, 2008 Share Posted 11 November, 2008 hoddle, never gonna happen but i do think he would be good for us if not id take dowie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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