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What I don't get is why supposedly intelligent people believe paper talk. It's the footballer roullette in relation to clubs. It's crap. Hoillett will probably end up somewhere like Newcastle, I think Moses will stay at Wigan and Siggurdsson will end up back at Hoffenheim. It's paper talk, and is based on rubbish/agents making stuff up.

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What I don't get is why supposedly intelligent people believe paper talk. It's the footballer roullette in relation to clubs. It's crap. Hoillett will probably end up somewhere like Newcastle, I think Moses will stay at Wigan and Siggurdsson will end up back at Hoffenheim. It's paper talk, and is based on rubbish/agents making stuff up.

 

I think Sigurdsson will end up exactly where he is now, at Swansea.

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I think we need to make 4 decent signings, a CB a CM, a RM/W, and a ST.

 

Possibilities or wishlist would be:

 

Matt Phillips

Gary Hooper

Curtis Davies

Tom Huddlestone

 

Depending on the progression of Jack Stephens we may need a loan at right back until he comes through.

 

We will also need a keeper at some point in the not too distant future to take over from Kelvin.

 

Players I would let go/sell:

 

Seaborne

Jaidhi

Harding

Bart

Forecast

Barnard

Connolly - although maybe worth a coaching role with the academy

 

 

It's going to be an interesting summer....

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I think we need to make 4 decent signings, a CB a CM, a RM/W, and a ST.

 

Possibilities or wishlist would be:

 

Matt Phillips

Gary Hooper

Curtis Davies

Tom Huddlestone

 

Depending on the progression of Jack Stephens we may need a loan at right back until he comes through.

 

We will also need a keeper at some point in the not too distant future to take over from Kelvin.

 

Players I would let go/sell:

 

Seaborne

Jaidhi

Harding

Bart

Forecast

Barnard

Connolly - although maybe worth a coaching role with the academy

 

 

It's going to be an interesting summer....

 

Don't think Huddlestone is realistic, first choice for Spurs when fit, and very similar to Morgan.

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What I don't get is why supposedly intelligent people believe paper talk. It's the footballer roullette in relation to clubs. It's crap. Hoillett will probably end up somewhere like Newcastle, I think Moses will stay at Wigan and Siggurdsson will end up back at Hoffenheim. It's paper talk, and is based on rubbish/agents making stuff up.

not just paper talk...but realism..he is shining...infact, doing brilliantly in a team far better than saints...leaving where he is now in the summer would be a step down at best.......which players like him, on the up simply do not do

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I think the summer will really show what our aim is for next season. Assuming we get promoted are we going for survival or are we aiming higher?

 

I think, we need a new keeper who will come in to push Davis with the aim of replacing him (don't think Bart is prem standard)

I would like a right back with a bit of pace, i fear Richardson may struggle next season with quicker wide men.

A centre back to compete with Jos and Fonte, i think Jaidi and Seaborne will be moved on.

A right midfielder, i think we have struggled here most of the season and haven't really replaced AOC

A centre midfielder to compete with Morgan and Cork for a starting place

A cover left mid for when Adam isn't available, probably a younger player happy to play 2nd fiddle.

If Connolly and Barnard are moved on also then a 4th forward to go with Sharp, Ricky and Lee.

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I agree with several other posters that pace is essential. I still can't quite work out if Lee has real pace or not, but certainly out wide, both sides really, we could do with a flyer or two. I flagged up Moses months and months ago. I see every man and his dog fancies him now. He's out of our reach and won't come to us. A player with skills, strength and pace just like him would be ideal. Zaha is the best I've seen in the Championship. His temperament is a little suspect, but I think he'd get a little more protection in the top flight than has done in the games where he has squinnied. £7m seems a lot but he's a rare talent. Love watching him play. In the prem you need that little bit extra to create the opening and he can do it. Even against us he still managed to forge that chance out of nothing. Doesn't feel like an Adkins buy though.

 

GK: Craig Gordon - out of contract, out of favour, young, world class saves, needs a move. Perfect. Jack Butland would be worth stealing from Brum if they are as hard up as I think they are. Perfect third choice and rising.

RB: Stephens doesn't appear to be anywhere near the first eleven, so maybe Adkins gave Butterfield an extra year to give him a little more time to develop. The step up will not help either. Pace is required here as we don't appear to have much on either wing defensively. Liam Rosenior looked decent against us. Fabio on loan is a good shout too. Has Calderon burned his bridges? I rate him. But any move here will be dictated by Stephens and whether Adkins trusts Butterfield. On recent selections it looks like he does.

LB: We'll stick with what we have. And why not. We can't buy a whole new squad.

CB: We could do with a little more pace. I've rated Curtis Davis ever since he dominated us at their place in the 3-2 defeat under Red****. I thought he'd be in the England side by now and looking at the others there's still a chance of that. Brum are skint. If they don't go up they will have to sell. Wages might be an issue.

LM: Really like Jarvis, but he'll get picked off by Sunderland or Fulham or one of the more established Prem sides. Buckly and LuaLua at Brighton have both impressed me and caused us all sorts of problems.

CM: Now Legeitwood has gone up that's him out the window. He looks a terrific player to me. Jordan Mutch would be my next choice. Absolute class act. Check out the change in fortune of Brum once he returned to the side. My Brum St mate says £8m. Steep, and maybe if they are struggling financially we could offer half, but that just shows how highly he is regarded. real talent. Proper class act. Right age, wages not beyond us. Perfect.

RM Zaha. See above.

CF: Philips. Whether you play him out wide or down the middle he seems to have the ability and pace to threaten. £6m sounds a lot, but he looked absolute quality in the cup game last season and he's got better since then. We are going to need this little extra quality to compete.

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I agree with several other posters that pace is essential. I still can't quite work out if Lee has real pace or not, but certainly out wide, both sides really, we could do with a flyer or two. I flagged up Moses months and months ago. I see every man and his dog fancies him now. He's out of our reach and won't come to us. A player with skills, strength and pace just like him would be ideal. Zaha is the best I've seen in the Championship. His temperament is a little suspect, but I think he'd get a little more protection in the top flight than has done in the games where he has squinnied. £7m seems a lot but he's a rare talent. Love watching him play. In the prem you need that little bit extra to create the opening and he can do it. Even against us he still managed to forge that chance out of nothing. Doesn't feel like an Adkins buy though.

 

GK: Craig Gordon - out of contract, out of favour, young, world class saves, needs a move. Perfect. Jack Butland would be worth stealing from Brum if they are as hard up as I think they are. Perfect third choice and rising.

RB: Stephens doesn't appear to be anywhere near the first eleven, so maybe Adkins gave Butterfield an extra year to give him a little more time to develop. The step up will not help either. Pace is required here as we don't appear to have much on either wing defensively. Liam Rosenior looked decent against us. Fabio on loan is a good shout too. Has Calderon burned his bridges? I rate him. But any move here will be dictated by Stephens and whether Adkins trusts Butterfield. On recent selections it looks like he does.

LB: We'll stick with what we have. And why not. We can't buy a whole new squad.

CB: We could do with a little more pace. I've rated Curtis Davis ever since he dominated us at their place in the 3-2 defeat under Red****. I thought he'd be in the England side by now and looking at the others there's still a chance of that. Brum are skint. If they don't go up they will have to sell. Wages might be an issue.

LM: Really like Jarvis, but he'll get picked off by Sunderland or Fulham or one of the more established Prem sides. Buckly and LuaLua at Brighton have both impressed me and caused us all sorts of problems.

CM: Now Legeitwood has gone up that's him out the window. He looks a terrific player to me. Jordan Mutch would be my next choice. Absolute class act. Check out the change in fortune of Brum once he returned to the side. My Brum St mate says £8m. Steep, and maybe if they are struggling financially we could offer half, but that just shows how highly he is regarded. real talent. Proper class act. Right age, wages not beyond us. Perfect.

RM Zaha. See above.

CF: Philips. Whether you play him out wide or down the middle he seems to have the ability and pace to threaten. £6m sounds a lot, but he looked absolute quality in the cup game last season and he's got better since then. We are going to need this little extra quality to compete.

 

Good choices, good reasoning but I expect that at the end of the day our recruitment will be slightly less insular.If we recruit say 6 players I'd expect half of them to come from outside those actually currently playing in the UK.Just like last season

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.... this is going to be the bane of the summer... constant criticism that we are not signing 'quality' balah blah.... I do not think we will be going mad in the summer - think 2 or 3 signings that will nnot be household names.... remember the words - 'self sustaining in the premiership.'

 

We're not even close to self-sustaining in League One or Championship, the question is, is the hike in tv revenue going to cover all the wage increases and the shortfall from the last couple of years ? Or are we just going to write it off to another Estate Loan ?

 

http://swissramble.blogspot.co.uk/2012/01/southampton-saints-alive.html

 

TV Revenue (note it's gone up for Prem sides since 2005)

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Wages v Turnover (and a lot of players got 1 year extensions when we went up last time)

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Also

"Southampton’s timing was particularly bad, as they missed out on the significant growth in TV deals, e.g. West Ham received £40 million for finishing bottom of the Premier League last season compared to Southampton’s £19 million in 2005. Similarly, while Southampton’s relegation was cushioned by £13 million of parachute payments, West Ham will receive £48 million (£16 million in each of the first two years, and £8 million in each of years three and four).

 

The good news is that Southampton’s TV revenue for the current (2011/12) season will be considerably higher than League One, approaching £6 million. This is mainly sourced from the Football League central distribution of £2.5 million that is made to all clubs, a £2.2 million solidarity payment plus facility fees payable each time the club is televised live."

 

Wages are in here :

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So we'll be getting £40m minimum tv money, and our wages at the moment are likely somewhere around the figures from the Crouch/Wilde splash out era of £15.6m (though they were £26.5m last time we were in the Prem, under Redknapp). I guess there's a bit of wiggle room for wages in that if we want to buy some Prem standard players.

 

I fully expect us to sign players I've heard of now, as most of the ones who will be up to the task are already going to be reasonably well known. There's always scandinavian internationals of course...

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So we'll be getting £40m minimum tv money, and our wages at the moment are likely somewhere around the figures from the Crouch/Wilde splash out era of £15.6m (though they were £26.5m last time we were in the Prem, under Redknapp). I guess there's a bit of wiggle room for wages in that if we want to buy some Prem standard players.

 

I fully expect us to sign players I've heard of now, as most of the ones who will be up to the task are already going to be reasonably well known. There's always scandinavian internationals of course...

 

well not SO many in Sweden... at present, but two names to keep track of ;

Rasmus Elm (the best of three Elm brothers)...currently playing in Holland. Tipped to go to Man U for £5 million in the summer.

 

John Guidetti (a product of the legendary Brommapojkarna nursery club in Stockholm).

Signed by Man.City at 17 and star of their Youth side, then loaned out to Feyenoord (another Dutch side) and has scored 20 goals already this season

and still only about 19 ..(I think). If he doesn't make the cut in Man.City's first team - would be an inspired buy ..are you listening Nigel ?

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Goalkeeper and centre mid. Pull out all the stops to get those two quality players in. They're the only positions in the first 11 than are in real need of improvement. I have faith in the rest of the team. We can't go out and buy a top class 22, cover for every position like when Abramovich came in at Chelsea so focus on first 11.

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I agree with several other posters that pace is essential. I still can't quite work out if Lee has real pace or not, but certainly out wide, both sides really, we could do with a flyer or two. I flagged up Moses months and months ago. I see every man and his dog fancies him now. He's out of our reach and won't come to us. A player with skills, strength and pace just like him would be ideal. Zaha is the best I've seen in the Championship. His temperament is a little suspect, but I think he'd get a little more protection in the top flight than has done in the games where he has squinnied. £7m seems a lot but he's a rare talent. Love watching him play. In the prem you need that little bit extra to create the opening and he can do it. Even against us he still managed to forge that chance out of nothing. Doesn't feel like an Adkins buy though.

 

GK: Craig Gordon - out of contract, out of favour, young, world class saves, needs a move. Perfect. Jack Butland would be worth stealing from Brum if they are as hard up as I think they are. Perfect third choice and rising.

RB: Stephens doesn't appear to be anywhere near the first eleven, so maybe Adkins gave Butterfield an extra year to give him a little more time to develop. The step up will not help either. Pace is required here as we don't appear to have much on either wing defensively. Liam Rosenior looked decent against us. Fabio on loan is a good shout too. Has Calderon burned his bridges? I rate him. But any move here will be dictated by Stephens and whether Adkins trusts Butterfield. On recent selections it looks like he does.

LB: We'll stick with what we have. And why not. We can't buy a whole new squad.

CB: We could do with a little more pace. I've rated Curtis Davis ever since he dominated us at their place in the 3-2 defeat under Red****. I thought he'd be in the England side by now and looking at the others there's still a chance of that. Brum are skint. If they don't go up they will have to sell. Wages might be an issue.

LM: Really like Jarvis, but he'll get picked off by Sunderland or Fulham or one of the more established Prem sides. Buckly and LuaLua at Brighton have both impressed me and caused us all sorts of problems.

CM: Now Legeitwood has gone up that's him out the window. He looks a terrific player to me. Jordan Mutch would be my next choice. Absolute class act. Check out the change in fortune of Brum once he returned to the side. My Brum St mate says £8m. Steep, and maybe if they are struggling financially we could offer half, but that just shows how highly he is regarded. real talent. Proper class act. Right age, wages not beyond us. Perfect.

RM Zaha. See above.

CF: Philips. Whether you play him out wide or down the middle he seems to have the ability and pace to threaten. £6m sounds a lot, but he looked absolute quality in the cup game last season and he's got better since then. We are going to need this little extra quality to compete.

I like the cut of your jib Chez.

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I agree with several other posters that pace is essential. I still can't quite work out if Lee has real pace or not, but certainly out wide, both sides really, we could do with a flyer or two. I flagged up Moses months and months ago. I see every man and his dog fancies him now. He's out of our reach and won't come to us. A player with skills, strength and pace just like him would be ideal. Zaha is the best I've seen in the Championship. His temperament is a little suspect, but I think he'd get a little more protection in the top flight than has done in the games where he has squinnied. £7m seems a lot but he's a rare talent. Love watching him play. In the prem you need that little bit extra to create the opening and he can do it. Even against us he still managed to forge that chance out of nothing. Doesn't feel like an Adkins buy though.

 

GK: Craig Gordon - out of contract, out of favour, young, world class saves, needs a move. Perfect. Jack Butland would be worth stealing from Brum if they are as hard up as I think they are. Perfect third choice and rising.

RB: Stephens doesn't appear to be anywhere near the first eleven, so maybe Adkins gave Butterfield an extra year to give him a little more time to develop. The step up will not help either. Pace is required here as we don't appear to have much on either wing defensively. Liam Rosenior looked decent against us. Fabio on loan is a good shout too. Has Calderon burned his bridges? I rate him. But any move here will be dictated by Stephens and whether Adkins trusts Butterfield. On recent selections it looks like he does.

LB: We'll stick with what we have. And why not. We can't buy a whole new squad.

CB: We could do with a little more pace. I've rated Curtis Davis ever since he dominated us at their place in the 3-2 defeat under Red****. I thought he'd be in the England side by now and looking at the others there's still a chance of that. Brum are skint. If they don't go up they will have to sell. Wages might be an issue.

LM: Really like Jarvis, but he'll get picked off by Sunderland or Fulham or one of the more established Prem sides. Buckly and LuaLua at Brighton have both impressed me and caused us all sorts of problems.

CM: Now Legeitwood has gone up that's him out the window. He looks a terrific player to me. Jordan Mutch would be my next choice. Absolute class act. Check out the change in fortune of Brum once he returned to the side. My Brum St mate says £8m. Steep, and maybe if they are struggling financially we could offer half, but that just shows how highly he is regarded. real talent. Proper class act. Right age, wages not beyond us. Perfect.

RM Zaha. See above.

CF: Philips. Whether you play him out wide or down the middle he seems to have the ability and pace to threaten. £6m sounds a lot, but he looked absolute quality in the cup game last season and he's got better since then. We are going to need this little extra quality to compete.

 

Gordon (GK) - Great shout, I really rate him and on a free he would be quality. Few problems with injuries in the last few years but we've got a great medical staff (so Nige keeps saying). Plenty of experience too.

Fabio (RB) - No thanks. Quality player but a primadonna and loans aren't really what we should be looking at. We want stability.

Rosenior (RB) - Good player but again problems with injuries. May have to pay a pretty penny to get Hull to part with him as well.

Calderon (RB) - No ta.

Davies (CB) - Definite signing imo. Pacy, strong and dominant in the air. Fonte has had an odd season and we need consistency in the Prem. Curtis and Jos at the back would be unbeatable imo.

Jarvis (LM) - No chance of getting him unfortunately.

Buckley (LM) - He's been quality this season. I think he'd be a very good signing, although i'd hate for us to put money into Gus' pocket for their 'promotion push' next year.

Lua Lua (LM) - Good player, but again a bit of a primadonna and a diver. Not sure whether he'd fit in well with the rest of the squad.

Mutch (CM) - Would be a fantastic signing but I think he's got quite strong ties with Brum. My Brum mate reckons £8m+ for him as well. If Nige and NC think he's worth the money then he would be quality!

Zaha (RM) - No thanks. Petulant, sulky, argues with the ref, dives, gets players booked and has a temper. Might calm down in the next few years but at the moment it's a nooooo.

Phillips (RM/ST) - Think he's better out wide than up front, but agree that he would be a quality signing. Bangs in the goals when in form and would certainly sort out our RM. There will be a bidding war in the summer.

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/\ do much for building a squad slowly then. FWIW I'd give a Kelvin a season in top flight. He desreves it or the loyalty he's shown to us.
absolutely, he's had a superb season, although strangely less to do than last season perhaps. There's hardly anyone on here these days moaning about him and having gone much longer in the second half of the season his somewhat questionable selection for passing out has not been an issue. In fact his kicking has been top notch.
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I'd rather see quality over quantity, along with some realism as to where we might finish. Assuming we DO go up (which is assumed in this thread) then anything above 18th is the target and I would call it a successful season if we were not in a relegation battle after Easter. I think a war chest of 10 - 15 million would be great and 3-5 signings max - preferably all in place for pre-season but that never seems to happen. 1 prestige name, 1 or 2 from the championship, and maybe 1 or 2 players from Europe to suprise us.

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This may fit into the 'cat in hell's chance' bracket, but... Aiden McGeady would be a very good option for the right wing, if we could get him. He went to Spartak for 9mill, and had a very strong start. However he's since fallen out with Valery Karpin (not difficult, the man could start a fight in an empty room) and been frozen out of the team, and as such could be available for around the same amount. He is an absolutely fantastic player, and would provide an instant fix to arguably our weakest position. Admittedly I have no idea what his wages are so that might count him out completely. But I don't think a transfer fee of that much is beyond us for one or two players, and if you look at the market I think you'd struggle to get a player of that quality in that position for any less.

 

Oh yeah, and a couple of years ago I signed him on Championship Manager and he was amazing, which obviously is the most important thing.

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Im with you on the Zaha comments. He is the most exciting thing ive seen in the championship.

I agree with several other posters that pace is essential. I still can't quite work out if Lee has real pace or not, but certainly out wide, both sides really, we could do with a flyer or two. I flagged up Moses months and months ago. I see every man and his dog fancies him now. He's out of our reach and won't come to us. A player with skills, strength and pace just like him would be ideal. Zaha is the best I've seen in the Championship. His temperament is a little suspect, but I think he'd get a little more protection in the top flight than has done in the games where he has squinnied. £7m seems a lot but he's a rare talent. Love watching him play. In the prem you need that little bit extra to create the opening and he can do it. Even against us he still managed to forge that chance out of nothing. Doesn't feel like an Adkins buy though.

 

GK: Craig Gordon - out of contract, out of favour, young, world class saves, needs a move. Perfect. Jack Butland would be worth stealing from Brum if they are as hard up as I think they are. Perfect third choice and rising.

RB: Stephens doesn't appear to be anywhere near the first eleven, so maybe Adkins gave Butterfield an extra year to give him a little more time to develop. The step up will not help either. Pace is required here as we don't appear to have much on either wing defensively. Liam Rosenior looked decent against us. Fabio on loan is a good shout too. Has Calderon burned his bridges? I rate him. But any move here will be dictated by Stephens and whether Adkins trusts Butterfield. On recent selections it looks like he does.

LB: We'll stick with what we have. And why not. We can't buy a whole new squad.

CB: We could do with a little more pace. I've rated Curtis Davis ever since he dominated us at their place in the 3-2 defeat under Red****. I thought he'd be in the England side by now and looking at the others there's still a chance of that. Brum are skint. If they don't go up they will have to sell. Wages might be an issue.

LM: Really like Jarvis, but he'll get picked off by Sunderland or Fulham or one of the more established Prem sides. Buckly and LuaLua at Brighton have both impressed me and caused us all sorts of problems.

CM: Now Legeitwood has gone up that's him out the window. He looks a terrific player to me. Jordan Mutch would be my next choice. Absolute class act. Check out the change in fortune of Brum once he returned to the side. My Brum St mate says £8m. Steep, and maybe if they are struggling financially we could offer half, but that just shows how highly he is regarded. real talent. Proper class act. Right age, wages not beyond us. Perfect.

RM Zaha. See above.

CF: Philips. Whether you play him out wide or down the middle he seems to have the ability and pace to threaten. £6m sounds a lot, but he looked absolute quality in the cup game last season and he's got better since then. We are going to need this little extra quality to compete.

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Joshua King anyone?? On loan at Hull from United. Seen him take Cardiff apart a few weeks ago single handedly. Was very impressed. Played on the right that night but can also play through the middle. He is a very similar player to Matty Phillips. Cant see him getting a chance at United and I think we could get him fairly cheap.

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I like Kelv a lot, but I'd like to see us strengthen the goalkeeping position.

 

What exactly is the situation with Craig Gordon? Why is he out of contract?

 

I was very impressed with Kaspar Schmeichel at the Leicester game. Kept them in it.

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I like Kelv a lot, but I'd like to see us strengthen the goalkeeping position.

 

What exactly is the situation with Craig Gordon? Why is he out of contract?

 

I was very impressed with Kaspar Schmeichel at the Leicester game. Kept them in it.

 

 

I will be really surprised if Kelv is our Number 1 keeper by next Christmas.Just don't think he'll be good enough for the EPL because he doesn't command his box and he's sometimes a bit slow to get down.

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Joshua King anyone?? On loan at Hull from United. Seen him take Cardiff apart a few weeks ago single handedly. Was very impressed. Played on the right that night but can also play through the middle. He is a very similar player to Matty Phillips. Cant see him getting a chance at United and I think we could get him fairly cheap.

 

I thought he played well against us up at their place - gave Fox a bit of the run around. Looked to have decent pace and a few tricks.

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RW/RM: Papa Waigo, the guy is worth getting just for his goal celebrations.. On a serious note, what's Steed Malbranque up to? He left Saint-Ettiene in September

and haven't heard anything since. Always rated him, has PL experience and could show De Ridder how to play on the right wing.

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Jack Butland, current U21 GK.

 

Probably one for the future but a very decent prospect.

 

Would depend if Brum got promoted or not.

 

Not sure that the reasons for him walking out on St Etienne have ever become public, there were stories about the illness of a son he doesn't actually have and his own dad said that he'd acted like a knob in cancelling his contract with St E.

Rumour around L'Etrat was that he signed with them and then started asking for more money after one game but the directors of StE told him to play for the sum agreed or p*ss off.

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