dune Posted 26 April, 2012 Author Share Posted 26 April, 2012 He said you would QUALIFY FFS Not have the roof over your head but QUALIFY And he is right. The guy who was nearly in tears thought he said you would be housed. Farage used the word QUALIFY a couple of times He also got the biggest cheers of the night too Don't be sad andy. UKIP is rising It is rising and will soon push the wishy washy Liberals firmly into 4th place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 26 April, 2012 Author Share Posted 26 April, 2012 I don't know. I'd say those who have worked in the city have one perspective of economics, but certainly don't know it all. Nobody knows it all Dune. People who've spent years working in a field know a damn site more about their field than a career politician or a jumped up teen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 26 April, 2012 Share Posted 26 April, 2012 It is rising and will soon push the wishy washy Liberals firmly into 4th place. Do you think UKIP will start to challenge the Lib Dems on May the 5th then? They have 32 councillors at the moment. That's only 3046 behind the liberal democrats. How soon do you envisage this being overturned? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 26 April, 2012 Share Posted 26 April, 2012 Let's be honest andy How on earth can you come from Europe and qualify for social housing when we are so short? Should be a case of, back you go. Come back when we have housed everyone else first. If ŷou want to live here, feel free to buy/rent privately But that is probably seen as being some racist nut job. But saying that to people won't make it any better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 26 April, 2012 Share Posted 26 April, 2012 People who've spent years working in a field know a damn site more about their field than a career politician or a jumped up teen. Oh, I agree and that's why I believe the man who has worked in social housing for years and it's why politicians get in advisers from particular fields. Must you keep personally insulting me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 26 April, 2012 Author Share Posted 26 April, 2012 Do you think UKIP will start to challenge the Lib Dems on May the 5th then? They have 32 councillors at the moment. That's only 3046 behind the liberal democrats. How soon do you envisage this being overturned? Not yet, but i'm sure we'll see the gap lesson, and when it comes to Europe the UKIP firmly trounce the out of touch Liberals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 26 April, 2012 Share Posted 26 April, 2012 Not yet, but i'm sure we'll see the gap lesson, and when it comes to Europe the UKIP firmly trounce the out of touch Liberals. That's the only place UKIP will ever succeed, because it's the only place they are relevant. They need to change their image if they want to succeed. They are too Europe focused. And most people don't get riled up and see everything through the prism on the EU whether it is related to the EU or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 26 April, 2012 Author Share Posted 26 April, 2012 That's the only place UKIP will ever succeed, because it's the only place they are relevant. They need to change their image if they want to succeed. They are too Europe focused. And most people don't get riled up and see everything through the prism on the EU whether it is related to the EU or not. But Europe is what is driving our country into the ground. The housing shortage - which means high rents - is caused by foreigners that are flooding in from eastern europe. Unemployment - particularly youth unemployment - is caused by all the foreigners that are flooding in from eastern europe. The EU is the primary reason for the mess Britain is in. If it was just a common market then fine, but it isn't just a common market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 26 April, 2012 Share Posted 26 April, 2012 But Europe is what is driving our country into the ground. The housing shortage - which means high rents - is caused by foreigners that are flooding in from eastern europe. Unemployment - particularly youth unemployment - is caused by all the foreigners that are flooding in from eastern europe. The EU is the primary reason for the mess Britain is in. If it was just a common market then fine, but it isn't just a common market. So if we weren't in the EU, none of the financial crisis would have happened? The EU brings tonnes of benefits and to be honest, we have debated this so many times, and frankly I'm bored of it. You'll say the EU is the most evil organisation in the world and that it systematically destroys everything and I'll say it's alright really, not perfect, but brings some benefits. And so it will go back and forth. Shall we just agree to disagree? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 26 April, 2012 Share Posted 26 April, 2012 But Europe is what is driving our country into the ground. The housing shortage - which means high rents - is caused by foreigners that are flooding in from eastern europe. Unemployment - particularly youth unemployment - is caused by all the foreigners that are flooding in from eastern europe. The EU is the primary reason for the mess Britain is in. If it was just a common market then fine, but it isn't just a common market. Are you sure that's all because of 'foreigners'? Are you sure that youth unemployment isn't high because the ratio of graduates from school, college and universities compared to entry-level job creation is far too low? Is the shortage in housing not because we haven't been spending enough money on ensuring that existing properties are maintained well and also building more to meet demand in a rising population? The fact is that our population is growing regardless of immigration levels. We have one of the highest population growth rates (Births divided by Deaths per 1000) of first-world nations: (2011 CIA Factbook) Australia - 1.15% USA - 0.96% New Zealand - 0.88% Canada - 0.79% Spain - 0.57% UK - 0.56% Immigration may exacerbate the pre-existing problems of a bad infrastructure to deal with an increasing population, but it's definitely not the main exponent of these problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Kucho Posted 27 April, 2012 Share Posted 27 April, 2012 Farage was right on what he said about housing going to foreigners, I have been in the situation he talks about. I am a British Citizen (born in Southampton) but left the UK when I was 4 years, old moving around Europe for my fathers job. I want to move back to the UK when a job in my profession comes available (I am 26 now). Last year I went to apply for a NI number and all they said was that I needed a post address in the UK, I used one of a relative and they never asked any questions. After receiving my NI number I was able to apply for all kinds of benefits including housing, it was amazing how easy it would be to claim all these benefits. At my former job I had a colleague who was moving to the UK as his parents live there (he is from African descent and has never lived in the UK). After receiving his NI number (and still living and working in the Netherlands) he contacted this guy who sorted out all his benefits and was already receiving housing, child, and some other benefits, before even living in the UK. Claiming benefits in the UK is so easy compared to the Netherlands (for the record, I don't claim anything, never have and hopefully will never have to) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 27 April, 2012 Share Posted 27 April, 2012 That's the only place UKIP will ever succeed, because it's the only place they are relevant. They need to change their image if they want to succeed. They are too Europe focused. And most people don't get riled up and see everything through the prism on the EU whether it is related to the EU or not. They are called UKIP for a reason, how can they be too Europe focused? The politicans of all the major parties have lied to us time and time again over Europe and the English people are fed up with it. How else do you explain UKIP and the Torys cleaning up at the last European elections? As for quoting Simon Hughes as some sort of QT star. Is this the same Simon Hughes that ran a throughly dishonest and homophobic campaign to get elected in the first place? He is a typical sandal wearer and sums up that party completely. They run right wing campaings in Tory areas and left wing ones in Labour areas. They have been found out good and proper over a number of issues, tuition fees being the main one. They lie and try to be all things to all men, always have done and always will. I look forward to the day when their number of MP's are back to 1970's levels, because that's where they are heading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 27 April, 2012 Share Posted 27 April, 2012 Is this the same Simon Hughes that ran a throughly dishonest and homophobic campaign to get elected in the first place? He is a typical sandal wearer and sums up that party completely. They run right wing campaings in Tory areas and left wing ones in Labour areas. They have been found out good and proper over a number of issues, tuition fees being the main one. They lie and try to be all things to all men, always have done and always will. I look forward to the day when their number of MP's are back to 1970's levels, because that's where they are heading. Spot on about Simon Hughes and a few of the other Liberal MPs (Norman Baker in Lewes is a good example) - but i actually think the Liberals as a party have fewer unprincipled career politicians than Labour or the Tories and are more likely to take a 'good for country' rather than 'good for my people' approach to policy (and no I dont vote for them). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brussels Saint Posted 27 April, 2012 Share Posted 27 April, 2012 Anyone else think that the Tories might offer UKIP a referendum on Europe (in or out), shortly before the next election, if they withdraw? They may calculate that the majority of UKIP supporters would then vote Tory giving a likely majority. I remember reading this somewhere previously that UKIP would consider this, but not sure if its still the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 27 April, 2012 Share Posted 27 April, 2012 Anyone else think that the Tories might offer UKIP a referendum on Europe (in or out), shortly before the next election, if they withdraw? They may calculate that the majority of UKIP supporters would then vote Tory giving a likely majority. I remember reading this somewhere previously that UKIP would consider this, but not sure if its still the case. This won't happen. UKIP aren't going to be a strong enough force and David Cameron doesn't want a referendum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brussels Saint Posted 27 April, 2012 Share Posted 27 April, 2012 This won't happen. UKIP aren't going to be a strong enough force and David Cameron doesn't want a referendum. I agree he doesn't, but would he rather lose an election. If UKIP would give it up for a referendum, you would have to imagine 95% of their supporters would vote Tory. He might be tempted, if he senses it would bring a Tory government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 1 May, 2012 Share Posted 1 May, 2012 http://labs.yougov.co.uk/news/2012/04/30/camerons-nightmare/ Very interesting article here on why UKIP's rise and the taking away of the Lib Dem protest vote(uniting the left wing vote more) is potentially fatal for Cameron and the Tories for many a year to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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