dune Posted 17 April, 2012 Share Posted 17 April, 2012 Edit the title should read Saintandy666 and SuperMikey. An easy mistake to make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano6 Posted 17 April, 2012 Share Posted 17 April, 2012 Looks like rounding error to me. No significant difference between 8% and 9% in the scheme of things. I'm more surprised by how much Labour are leading Conservatives. You can't be happy with that Dune. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 17 April, 2012 Author Share Posted 17 April, 2012 Looks like rounding error to me. No significant difference between 8% and 9% in the scheme of things. I'm more surprised by how much Labour are leading Conservatives. You can't be happy with that Dune. 1. It keeps Ed in his job. 2. It will hopefully stir the Tory right. I welcome this poll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 17 April, 2012 Share Posted 17 April, 2012 Why would anybody be surprised - they've sold out for their 15 minutes of fame. They will subside into the shadows for a generation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 17 April, 2012 Author Share Posted 17 April, 2012 Should this mean that a UKIP representative should replace the wishy washy Liberal on question time? The Liberals are all for proportional representation afterall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 17 April, 2012 Share Posted 17 April, 2012 Yougov does give the Lib Dems extremely low support. Most over polls put them on 11-15%. I predict the libs will get about 15-17% in 2015, they always dip between elections. What matters is that the support they keep is in their constituency seats, so they must all work hard to appeal as individual MPs, as the party banner won't be enough. They'll probably still have 30-40 seats come 2015. UKIP won't get any seats, opinion polls can be a bit like by-elections sometimes and it's easy to tick the box, but it'll be different come election time when people are in that booth. They will flock back to the tories, and you Dune better hope they do or Labour will come in with a 100+ majority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 17 April, 2012 Share Posted 17 April, 2012 Interesting to note at last years locals; lib dems held up in the south and it was only really the north they had problems(anti-tory vote). As long as they can hold up in the south west and north scotland come 2015, they shouldn't have the disasters that many predict. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 17 April, 2012 Share Posted 17 April, 2012 Should this mean that a UKIP representative should replace the wishy washy Liberal on question time? The Liberals are all for proportional representation afterall. If they ever do well at an actual election that isn't an EU one, then sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 17 April, 2012 Author Share Posted 17 April, 2012 Interesting to note at last years locals; lib dems held up in the south and it was only really the north they had problems(anti-tory vote). As long as they can hold up in the south west and north scotland come 2015, they shouldn't have the disasters that many predict. What happened in Winchester and Romsey in 2010? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 17 April, 2012 Share Posted 17 April, 2012 What happened in Winchester and Romsey in 2010? Well, Winchester was scandal based. Romsey was a marginal and the Tory vote went up nationwide, a lot of lib dem constituencies withstood this or even had a slight increase in vote itself. Sandra Gidley was a good MP though, I met her and she seemed like a decent hard working person and certainly not in it for some sort of power drive. And I was talking about post-coalition elections, i.e 2011 locals where Lib Dem vote largely held up in the south. The Lib Dem in my local ward was elected with an increased majority! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 17 April, 2012 Share Posted 17 April, 2012 When I lived in Bassett Green Road (airport end) I was apparently living in Romsey! When I took the decision to never vote again I reckon it was welcomed by my neighbouring voters who actually live IN ****ING ROMSEY.... Down here political fights are played out on the letters page of The Mercury, very entertaining and at times amusing. I went to the town council meeting last week and they were all there but very very nice to each other apart from Mt Mayor, a sullen moody looking gert big Brian Blessed lookalike; he looked like someone had just pinched his winkle fork. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 17 April, 2012 Share Posted 17 April, 2012 Yougov does give the Lib Dems extremely low support. Most over polls put them on 11-15%. I predict the libs will get about 15-17% in 2015, they always dip between elections. What matters is that the support they keep is in their constituency seats, so they must all work hard to appeal as individual MPs, as the party banner won't be enough. They'll probably still have 30-40 seats come 2015. UKIP won't get any seats, opinion polls can be a bit like by-elections sometimes and it's easy to tick the box, but it'll be different come election time when people are in that booth. They will flock back to the tories, and you Dune better hope they do or Labour will come in with a 100+ majority. Not with Ed "rent-a-soundbite" Miliband in charge they won't. This country is crying out for a strong opposition right now to keep the ConDems in check, and what have we got? A party led by somebody who is incapable of speaking unless from an autocue and who looks and sounds like he should be in a Wallace & Gromit cartoon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 17 April, 2012 Author Share Posted 17 April, 2012 What people (both left and right) are crying out for is a return to core party values. The tories need to move to the right, Labour need to move to the left. It won't happen though because there are far too many career politicians and not enough conviction politicians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 23 April, 2012 Author Share Posted 23 April, 2012 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2DFEneu6F8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 23 April, 2012 Share Posted 23 April, 2012 What people (both left and right) are crying out for is a return to core party values. The tories need to move to the right, Labour need to move to the left. It won't happen though because there are far too many career politicians and not enough conviction politicians. I would suggest that most parties recognise that 'convictions' have changed dramatically since they were conceived - something that old school trditionalists on all sides are struggling to recognise. To many confuse conviction politics with strong leadership - parties need to remain relevent to the evolving environment - part of the reason all parties are currently so ineffective is their internal rows relating to traditional values v new thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 23 April, 2012 Author Share Posted 23 April, 2012 I would suggest that most parties recognise that 'convictions' have changed dramatically since they were conceived - something that old school trditionalists on all sides are struggling to recognise. To many confuse conviction politics with strong leadership - parties need to remain relevent to the evolving environment - part of the reason all parties are currently so ineffective is their internal rows relating to traditional values v new thinking. So what are you saying? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 23 April, 2012 Share Posted 23 April, 2012 So what are you saying? That times have moved on and that most people aren't Old Labours revisionist socialism or Thatchers New Right. Centrism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orange Posted 23 April, 2012 Share Posted 23 April, 2012 Met Farage last friday. Whilst chatting he seemed pretty optimistic that the tide is changing. What a dedicated men he is. Look at the national party in France getting 20% +.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 23 April, 2012 Share Posted 23 April, 2012 Edit the title should read Saintandy666 and SuperMikey. An easy mistake to make. I bet you cum loads you really do love your fellow.man any way who is he ? Sent from my HTC Desire using Tapatalk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 23 April, 2012 Share Posted 23 April, 2012 Met Farage last friday. Whilst chatting he seemed pretty optimistic that the tide is changing. What a dedicated men he is. Look at the national party in France getting 20% +.. I don't think Mr. Farage will want to be compared to the likes of Le Pen and co. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 23 April, 2012 Share Posted 23 April, 2012 I'll probably vote ukip just because I think the other three are just as worse. Lib dems lied about everything and sold their soul so they could ride around in fancy cars and pretend they have power. Will never vote for them in my life and sure most think the same. Labour had plenty of time in office and have to be blamed for a lot of things such as our debt and social society breakdown. They created a lot of our problems. Torries have taken those problems and made it miles worse. Unemployment at all time high, fuel prices at all time high, cost of living through the roof, no hope for the young generation, going after sick and vulnerable people and forcing those who can't work to join the already huge dole queues. Helping out their rich friends while screwing over the normal people. Then squandering our money on stupid things such as regime changes, aid to countries like india and Pakistan and last week giving £10bn to IMF. The only reason labour have that points lead is because of how crap the Tories have done not how well labour have done. Personally I think things need to change. A system that is hundreds of years old can no longer work in the world of today. The lib dems have shown what happens when you promise lots of things and what happens when they actually get there. They should be held accountable for their actions. If you or I promised to do something to gain a new job and failed to do it we would be sacked and replaced by someone else. The same needs to happen for politicians. They need to understand that they are there to do what the people want, not to do what they want. So that is why I will vote ukip because quite frankly the three other parties have turned this country into a joke. None of them deserve my vote. It's like pick the one you think will screw up the least. It shouldn't be that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 23 April, 2012 Share Posted 23 April, 2012 As far as i'm concerned, the Lib Dems can go f*ck themselves now. Sold their souls for a bit of power. I don't know who i'll be voting for in May, but it certainly won't be Lib Dem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 23 April, 2012 Share Posted 23 April, 2012 As far as i'm concerned, the Lib Dems can go f*ck themselves now. Sold their souls for a bit of power. I don't know who i'll be voting for in May, but it certainly won't be Lib Dem. well, it goes to show that unless they change(d)..they will never get or have had a sniff of power... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecuk268 Posted 23 April, 2012 Share Posted 23 April, 2012 As far as i'm concerned, the Lib Dems can go f*ck themselves now. Sold their souls for a bit of power. I don't know who i'll be voting for in May, but it certainly won't be Lib Dem. A big mistake selling their souls for a sniff of influence. They should have told the Tories to form a minority administration and then supported them (or not) on an issue by issue basis. They'd probably have had more say whilst keeping their self respect (but of course Clegg couldn't be called Deputy PM). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 23 April, 2012 Share Posted 23 April, 2012 As far as i'm concerned, the Lib Dems can go f*ck themselves now. Sold their souls for a bit of power. I don't know who i'll be voting for in May, but it certainly won't be Lib Dem. But if you are a Liberal Democrat, then surely you believe in PR, so surely you have to expect Coalition government. Because of that, then we have to expect some compromise. 75% of the Lib Dem manifesto has been put in place(source: a UCL study). Yes, there have been some big omissions on Tuition Fees and what not, but if you look at Tax Allowances, Pupil Premium and hopefully(and about time to) Lord's reform. The NHS Bill is changed beyond recognition and maybe over areas of policies are not the policies the Tories wanted. It's a hell of a lot better than not being a coalition and the Tories getting a majority later that year. I'm willing to wait until 2015 to survey it then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 23 April, 2012 Share Posted 23 April, 2012 But if you are a Liberal Democrat, then surely you believe in PR, so surely you have to expect Coalition government. Because of that, then we have to expect some compromise. 75% of the Lib Dem manifesto has been put in place(source: a UCL study). Yes, there have been some big omissions on Tuition Fees and what not, but if you look at Tax Allowances, Pupil Premium and hopefully(and about time to) Lord's reform. The NHS Bill is changed beyond recognition and maybe over areas of policies are not the policies the Tories wanted. It's a hell of a lot better than not being a coalition and the Tories getting a majority later that year. I'm willing to wait until 2015 to survey it then. despite coming 3rd done well really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 23 April, 2012 Share Posted 23 April, 2012 despite coming 3rd done well really Of course, a lot of it will be cross over between the Conservatives and Liberal Democrats... because there is a lot of cross over between our big 3 parties. They try to disguise it with rhetoric, but yes, they have done very well for a party which obtained 23% to the tories 36%. I was ****ed off with Tuition Fees as well, massively, and so were lots of elected Lib Dems, but it's a coalition, and without it, it would probably be a Tory majority come Oct 2010 so I guess this arrangement is better than what could have been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orange Posted 24 April, 2012 Share Posted 24 April, 2012 I don't think Mr. Farage will want to be compared to the likes of Le Pen and co. I don't know enough about the party, i know they used to be pretty extreme. But think they're much more moderate now. I know a lot of French that vote for 'em. Can see why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 24 April, 2012 Share Posted 24 April, 2012 I don't know enough about the party, i know they used to be pretty extreme. But think they're much more moderate now. I know a lot of French that vote for 'em. Can see why. Their policy set is pretty similar to the BNP. And 'pretty extreme' lets them off the hook big time. We shouldn't put up with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tpbury Posted 24 April, 2012 Share Posted 24 April, 2012 But if you are a Liberal Democrat, then surely you believe in PR, so surely you have to expect Coalition government. Because of that, then we have to expect some compromise. 75% of the Lib Dem manifesto has been put in place(source: a UCL study). Yes, there have been some big omissions on Tuition Fees and what not, but if you look at Tax Allowances, Pupil Premium and hopefully(and about time to) Lord's reform. The NHS Bill is changed beyond recognition and maybe over areas of policies are not the policies the Tories wanted. It's a hell of a lot better than not being a coalition and the Tories getting a majority later that year. I'm willing to wait until 2015 to survey it then. Good points, if true. They've take the 'inside ****ing out rather that outside ****ing in' approach, which I should admire them for. As a Libber all my life, I suppose I should appreciate the pragmatism, doing small, good changes, even if they get villified. Unfortunately, they may get murdered at the next election, and cease to be a voice of reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millbrook Saint Posted 24 April, 2012 Share Posted 24 April, 2012 Their policy set is pretty similar to the BNP. And 'pretty extreme' lets them off the hook big time. We shouldn't put up with it. Could you give me an example of where their policies are similar, I'm thinking of voting UKIP but wouldn't want to vote for any rascist part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 24 April, 2012 Share Posted 24 April, 2012 Their policy set is pretty similar to the BNP. And 'pretty extreme' lets them off the hook big time. We shouldn't put up with it. Complete and utter nonsense............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millbrook Saint Posted 25 April, 2012 Share Posted 25 April, 2012 Could you give me an example of where their policies are similar, I'm thinking of voting UKIP but wouldn't want to vote for any rascist part. Didn't think you would Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toofarnorth Posted 25 April, 2012 Share Posted 25 April, 2012 A big mistake selling their souls for a sniff of influence. They should have told the Tories to form a minority administration and then supported them (or not) on an issue by issue basis. They'd probably have had more say whilst keeping their self respect (but of course Clegg couldn't be called Deputy PM). This a million times. I like Mikey won't vote lib dems again while the current crop are still lurking around. Will be voting labour for the first time in my life this May. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 26 April, 2012 Share Posted 26 April, 2012 Could you give me an example of where their policies are similar, I'm thinking of voting UKIP but wouldn't want to vote for any rascist part. I never said UKIP is racist. I said the National Front are... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 26 April, 2012 Author Share Posted 26 April, 2012 Nigel Farage versus the braindead Diane Abbott on Question time tonight. This should be some contest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 26 April, 2012 Author Share Posted 26 April, 2012 FFs they are scraping the barrel with Toynbee too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 26 April, 2012 Share Posted 26 April, 2012 Nigel Farage just got absolutely schooled. Completely destroyed. Utter lightweight who clearing knows nothing about the rules. The guy from the housing authority in the audience and Simon Hughes debunked him completely. How very embarrassing. What a weak performance from him. All shout and no substance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 26 April, 2012 Author Share Posted 26 April, 2012 Nigel Farage just got absolutely schooled. Completely destroyed. Utter lightweight who clearing knows nothing about the rules. The guy from the housing authority in the audience and Simon Hughes debunked him completely. How very embarrassing. What a weak performance from him. All shout and no substance. That's nonsense. He's right about the housing shortage being caused by all the foreigners we keep letting in. It's not rocket science. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 26 April, 2012 Share Posted 26 April, 2012 That's nonsense. He's right about the housing shortage being caused by all the foreigners we keep letting in. It's not rocket science. That wasn't his argument. His argument was that anyone can simply waltz into this country and get into social housing within 2 weeks without even bothering to work. He got caught out and schooled. Facts don't suit him. Just own up and admit this has been a very weak performance from him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 26 April, 2012 Author Share Posted 26 April, 2012 That wasn't his argument. His argument was that anyone can simply waltz into this country and get into social housing within 2 weeks without even bothering to work. He got caught out and schooled. Facts don't suit him. Just own up and admit this has been a very weak performance from him. It hasn't been a weak performance because he's said it how it is. Foreigners are coming here and taking our houses. Incidentally they are also taking our jobs. The whole country has gone down the pan because of uncontrolled immigration primarily from Eastern europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 26 April, 2012 Author Share Posted 26 April, 2012 It was also good to hear him point out how almost all of the front bench politicians (hell most of the house) have no life experience in the real world - yet they think they know it all. Actually they are just like you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 26 April, 2012 Share Posted 26 April, 2012 It hasn't been a weak performance because he's said it how it is. Foreigners are coming here and taking our houses. Incidentally they are also taking our jobs. The whole country has gone down the pan because of uncontrolled immigration primarily from Eastern europe. He hasn't said how it is though. He got his facts wrong and the guy who works for the housing authority and Hughes caught him out on this and frankly for someone who is part of a party that focuses on immigration, it was embarrassing for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 26 April, 2012 Share Posted 26 April, 2012 It was also good to hear him point out how almost all of the front bench politicians (hell most of the house) have no life experience in the real world - yet they think they know it all. Actually they are just like you. Ouchy. Better not give an opinion then. You are of course right Dune, as always thanks to your superior life experience of 4 times as many posts as me in 3 years less on an internet forum. We must have a lot in common in life experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 26 April, 2012 Share Posted 26 April, 2012 He hasn't said how it is though. He got his facts wrong and the guy who works for the housing authority and Hughes caught him out on this and frankly for someone who is part of a party that focuses on immigration, it was embarrassing for him. How do you know the guy who was neat in tears was not wrong and confused. Bit flustered on telly etc Farage said that you would QUALIFY for social housing... And he is right Throw in a kid into that and you probably would jump straight to the top of the queue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 26 April, 2012 Share Posted 26 April, 2012 How do you know the guy who was neat in tears was not wrong and confused. Bit flustered on telly etc Garage said that you would QUALIFY for social housing... And he is right Throw in a kid into that and you probably would jump straight to the top of the queue I believe the guy from the housing authority and Simon Hughes, who regularly has to deal with the paperwork in social housing. After all they have life experience in this and I thought that was the most important thing of all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 26 April, 2012 Author Share Posted 26 April, 2012 Ouchy. Better not give an opinion then. You are of course right Dune, as always thanks to your superior life experience of 4 times as many posts as me in 3 years less on an internet forum. We must have a lot in common in life experience. I know i'm right, it's f/cking logical to say that business leaders know more about business than career politicians/jumped up teens, that economists/those with experience of working in the city know more about economics than career politicians/jumped up teens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 26 April, 2012 Share Posted 26 April, 2012 He said you would QUALIFY FFS Not have the roof over your head but QUALIFY And he is right. The guy who was nearly in tears thought he said you would be housed. Farage used the word QUALIFY a couple of times He also got the biggest cheers of the night too Don't be sad andy. UKIP is rising Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 26 April, 2012 Share Posted 26 April, 2012 I know i'm right, it's f/cking logical to say that business leaders know more about business than career politicians/jumped up teens, that economists/those with experience of working in the city know more about economics than career politicians/jumped up teens. I don't know. I'd say those who have worked in the city have one perspective of economics, but certainly don't know it all. Nobody knows it all Dune. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 26 April, 2012 Share Posted 26 April, 2012 He said you would QUALIFY FFS Not have the roof over your head but QUALIFY And he is right. The guy who was nearly in tears thought he said you would be housed. Farage used the word QUALIFY a couple of times He also got the biggest cheers of the night too Don't be sad andy. UKIP is rising I'm sure they are rising in opinion polls. But it won't materialise, it never does with them. They are too one issue, one man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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