sotonjoe Posted 16 April, 2012 Share Posted 16 April, 2012 I see the Daily Echo is reporting that Barnard's case will start today at Salisbury Crown Court and is expected to last four days. He's being charge for one count of ABH. Can't see a custodial sentence personally. Link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 16 April, 2012 Share Posted 16 April, 2012 About time...Isn't that about 18 months since the offence ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 16 April, 2012 Share Posted 16 April, 2012 I see the Daily Echo is reporting that Barnard's case will start today at Salisbury Crown Court and is expected to last four days. He's being charge for one count of ABH. Can't see a custodial sentence personally. Link Neither can I, apart from the fact he is innocent until proven guilty. Having said that, if he has got a b'stard of a judge who wants to make an example of him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonjoe Posted 16 April, 2012 Author Share Posted 16 April, 2012 About time...Isn't that about 18 months since the offence ? I think that's what the article says, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 16 April, 2012 Share Posted 16 April, 2012 I havent actually looked at the article... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supersonic Posted 16 April, 2012 Share Posted 16 April, 2012 That's him out of Tuesday's game then I would presume. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattio Posted 16 April, 2012 Share Posted 16 April, 2012 Probably makes sense as to why he's been on the bench the last few games but not been played. He'd want to see the club is behind him but I don't think he'd be in the frame of mind to play. IMO anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boxosponge Posted 16 April, 2012 Share Posted 16 April, 2012 Looks like a foorball violence day at Salisbury Crown Court Committal for Sentence S20120010 DYER Danny L 54ES0081211 NOT BEFORE 10:30 am For Trial T20110030 BARNARD Lee J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry the Badger Posted 16 April, 2012 Share Posted 16 April, 2012 Probably makes sense as to why he's been on the bench the last few games but not been played. He'd want to see the club is behind him but I don't think he'd be in the frame of mind to play. IMO anyway Yes, because Adkins would definitely waste one of the five spaces on the bench on a player who he can't play, in order to make him feel better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonjoe Posted 16 April, 2012 Author Share Posted 16 April, 2012 Yes, because Adkins would definitely waste one of the five spaces on the bench on a player who he can't play, in order to make him feel better. tactical genius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 16 April, 2012 Share Posted 16 April, 2012 I see the Daily Echo is reporting that Barnard's case will start today at Salisbury Crown Court and is expected to last four days. He's being charge for one count of ABH. Can't see a custodial sentence personally. Link Makes no difference to us if he gets gaol time or not, won't be here next season and won't play again this season. Total waste of a year's salary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudders Posted 16 April, 2012 Share Posted 16 April, 2012 Hopefully Pink Scarf will be in the court & able to tweet us with updates! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 16 April, 2012 Share Posted 16 April, 2012 Makes no difference to us if he gets gaol time or not, won't be here next season and won't play again this season. Total waste of a year's salary. This. He's not good enough for this level anyway. L1 or the lower regions of the NPC are his level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattio Posted 16 April, 2012 Share Posted 16 April, 2012 Yes, because Adkins would definitely waste one of the five spaces on the bench on a player who he can't play, in order to make him feel better. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsarum Posted 16 April, 2012 Share Posted 16 April, 2012 Looks like a foorball violence day at Salisbury Crown Court Committal for Sentence S20120010 DYER Danny L 54ES0081211 NOT BEFORE 10:30 am For Trial T20110030 BARNARD Lee J The Dyer Family in Salisbury have made more appearences in court than Terry Paine made playing for Saints Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 16 April, 2012 Share Posted 16 April, 2012 Makes no difference to us if he gets gaol time or not, won't be here next season and won't play again this season. Total waste of a year's salary. Source? or just guessing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 16 April, 2012 Share Posted 16 April, 2012 Our criminal justice system is frankly ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 16 April, 2012 Share Posted 16 April, 2012 Source? or just guessing Intuitive guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 16 April, 2012 Share Posted 16 April, 2012 Intuitive guess Or just Common sense Not sure why extensions were given to players like harding butterfield and barnard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 16 April, 2012 Share Posted 16 April, 2012 Or just Common sense Not sure why extensions were given to players like harding butterfield and barnard Because if we are to expect youngster to show a bit of loyalty to the club, the club has to show a bit of loyalty to players who have served the club well. Barnard has averaged a goal every 2 or 3 games and is 3 years younger than Lambert so clearly gives us options despite missing most of this season with an ankle injury. He was immense in our promotion season from Lge 1. Dan Harding is a former U21 international and an excellent back up for Fox. Probably better than Fox defensively. Only 28 so a good few years left in him yet Butterfield has been a revelation standing in for Richardson thses past few games. Older than the others so some doubt how long he can maintain this standard but certainly good for another season. Remember he kept Nathanial Clyne out of the Palace side for a while. Butterfiled got an extension to 2013 whilst thothers got extensions to 2014. Good business in my view. My only concern is that if he is found guilty he is likely to get 15 months. No idea how that will affect his contract. Logically, it could amount to bring the club into disrepute so contract could be cancelled but maybe we should wait for the verdict first!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 16 April, 2012 Share Posted 16 April, 2012 Harding and Butterfield are really not that great at all. Did a good job in L1 but not good enough where we are now. I would expect his contract will be cancelled if he's sent down, but very much doubt thats going to happen. Saw Ferdinand and Diouf have been arrested for something which sound very similar ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a1ex2001 Posted 16 April, 2012 Share Posted 16 April, 2012 Because if we are to expect youngster to show a bit of loyalty to the club, the club has to show a bit of loyalty to players who have served the club well. Barnard has averaged a goal every 2 or 3 games and is 3 years younger than Lambert so clearly gives us options despite missing most of this season with an ankle injury. He was immense in our promotion season from Lge 1. Dan Harding is a former U21 international and an excellent back up for Fox. Probably better than Fox defensively. Only 28 so a good few years left in him yet Butterfield has been a revelation standing in for Richardson thses past few games. Older than the others so some doubt how long he can maintain this standard but certainly good for another season. Remember he kept Nathanial Clyne out of the Palace side for a while. Butterfiled got an extension to 2013 whilst thothers got extensions to 2014. Good business in my view. My only concern is that if he is found guilty he is likely to get 15 months. No idea how that will affect his contract. Logically, it could amount to bring the club into disrepute so contract could be cancelled but maybe we should wait for the verdict first!! 15 months for ABH are you nuts this is the UK he's much more likely to get a slap on the wrist and some litter picking for such a minor charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 16 April, 2012 Share Posted 16 April, 2012 (edited) Or just Common sense Not sure why extensions were given to players like harding butterfield and barnard they may not be first choice, although Butterfield has looked pretty good in recent games, but until we sign international players for every position, they know the system and CDAJFU...when required. Edited 17 April, 2012 by david in sweden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landford.saint Posted 17 April, 2012 Share Posted 17 April, 2012 Any update on case. Haven't we a texter/tweeter in the court? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_John Posted 17 April, 2012 Share Posted 17 April, 2012 From Incourts for yesterday it says 16/04/2012 Mon, For Trial - Case Started - 11:11 at Court: 1 16/04/2012 Mon, For Trial - Prosecution Opening - 11:30 at Court: 1 16/04/2012 Mon, For Trial - Resume - 12:13 at Court: 1 16/04/2012 Mon, For Trial - Witness Number 1 Sworn - 12:33 at Court: 1 16/04/2012 Mon, For Trial - Legal Submissions - 12:57 at Court: 1 16/04/2012 Mon, For Trial - Case adjourned until 13:00 - 12:58 at Court: 1 16/04/2012 Mon, For Trial - Witness Number 2 Sworn - 14:49 at Court: 1 16/04/2012 Mon, For Trial - Witness Number 3 Sworn - 15:32 at Court: 1 16/04/2012 Mon, For Trial - Case adjourned until 10:30 - 16:08 at Court: 1 http://incourts.co.uk/search.html (search for Lee James Barnard) From LawPages for today it says [TABLE] [TR] [TD]Details: [/TD] [TD]Trial (Part Heard) - Witness evidence concluded - 14:38 [/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] http://www.thelawpages.com/court-hearings-lists/Salisbury-Crown-Court.php Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintoaks Posted 17 April, 2012 Share Posted 17 April, 2012 Any update on case. Haven't we a texter/tweeter in the court? The Echo claim it will be a weeks trial. Hold on to your hat Mr Barnard it's gonna be a long week ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 17 April, 2012 Share Posted 17 April, 2012 Don't think much of Lees defence Prosecution - all these people saw you hit the bloke with a bottle Lee - I don't remember doing it....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stu0x Posted 17 April, 2012 Share Posted 17 April, 2012 15 months for ABH are you nuts this is the UK he's much more likely to get a slap on the wrist and some litter picking for such a minor charge. Actually the starting point is 6 months custody (it's probably a cat 2). Use of weapon, no credit for his defence, and by the sounds of the witness accounts various additional harm and culpability factors, with precious little mitigation. 12 months would be typical, more if he's got previous for any similar offences. Still, don't let the facts get in the way of rolling out a hackneyed cliché... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 17 April, 2012 Share Posted 17 April, 2012 Don't think much of Lees defence Prosecution - all these people saw you hit the bloke with a bottle Lee - I don't remember doing it....... so he's going temporary amnesia or schizophrenia....yeah right, best of luck with that then Lee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 17 April, 2012 Share Posted 17 April, 2012 Yes, because Adkins would definitely waste one of the five spaces on the bench on a player who he can't play, in order to make him feel better. tactical genius Pollyanna innit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom28 Posted 17 April, 2012 Share Posted 17 April, 2012 Some sentencing guidelines for ABH: STEP 1 - Determine the offence category Category 1: Greater harm (serious injury must normally be present) and higher culpability Category 2: Greater harm (serious injury must normally be present) and lower culpability; or lesser harm and higher culpability Category 3: Lesser harm and lower culpability STEP 1 HARM AND CULPABILITY FACTORS HARM Factors indicating greater harm Injury (which includes disease transmission and/or psychological harm) which is serious in the context of the offence (must normally be present) - Yes Victim is particularly vulnerable because of personal circumstances - No Sustained or repeated assault on the same victim - No Factors indicating lesser harm Injury which is less serious in the context of the offence - No CULPABILITY Factors indicating higher culpability Statutory aggravating factors: Offence motivated by, or demonstrating, hostility to the victim based on his or her sexual orientation (or presumed sexual orientation) - not that we are aware of Offence motivated by, or demonstrating, hostility to the victim based on the victim's disability (or presumed disability) - as above Other aggravating factors: A significant degree of premeditation - no Use of weapon or weapon equivalent (for example, shod foot, headbutting, use of acid, use of animal) - yes Intention to commit more serious harm than actually resulted from the offence - unsure Deliberately causes more harm than is necessary for commission of offence - unsure Deliberate targeting of vulnerable victim - no Leading role in group or gang - no Offence motivated by, or demonstrating, hostility based on the victim's age, sex, gender identity (or presumed gender identity) - not that we know of Factors indicating lower culpability Subordinate role in group or gang A greater degree of provocation than normally expected - unsure Lack of premeditation - no Mental disorder or learning disability, where linked to commission of the offence - no Excessive self defence - unsure Looking at this, I would say he's falling into category 2. Then in terms of sentence: Category 1 Starting Point (Applicable to all offenders): 1 year 6 months' custody Category Range (Applicable to all offenders): 1 - 3 years' custody Category 2 Starting Point (Applicable to all offenders): 26 weeks' custody Category Range (Applicable to all offenders): Low level community order - 51 weeks' custody Category 3 Starting Point (Applicable to all offenders): Medium level community order Category Range (Applicable to all offenders): Band A fine - High level community order STEP 2 SERIOUSNESS FACTORS The following lists are non-exhaustive Factors increasing seriousness Statutory aggravating factors: Previous convictions, having regard to a) the nature of the offence to which the conviction relates and its relevance to the current offence; and b) the time that has elapsed since the conviction Offence committed whilst on bail Other aggravating factors include: Location of the offence Timing of the offence Ongoing effect upon the victim Offence committed against those working in the public sector or providing a service to the public Presence of others including relatives, especially children or partner of the victim Gratuitous degradation of victim In domestic violence cases, victim forced to leave their home Failure to comply with current court orders Offence committed whilst on licence An attempt to conceal or dispose of evidence Failure to respond to warnings or concerns expressed by others about the offender's behaviour Commission of offence whilst under the influence of alcohol or drugs Abuse of power and/or position of trust Exploiting contact arrangements with a child to commit an offence Established evidence of community impact Any steps taken to prevent the victim reporting an incident, or obtaining assistance and/or from assisting or supporting the prosecution Offences taken into consideration (TICs) Factors reducing seriousness or reflecting personal mitigation No previous convictions or no relevant/recent convictions Single blow Remorse Good character and/or exemplary conduct Determination, and/or demonstration of steps taken to address addiction or offending behaviour Serious medical conditions requiring urgent, intensive or long-term treatment Isolated incident Age and/or lack of maturity where it affects the responsibility of the offender Lapse of time since the offence where this is not the fault of the offender Mental disorder or learning disability, where not linked to the commission of the offence Sole or primary carer for dependent relatives Looking at those, I would say it's falling into the lower end of the spectrum of seriousness. The range for category 2 is Low level community order - 51 weeks' custody, so the low end of that scale is low level community order, so I'd expect him to get a community order if he's found guilty, based on the things we know from the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pedro Posted 17 April, 2012 Share Posted 17 April, 2012 Or just Common sense Not sure why extensions were given to players like harding butterfield and barnard And Jaihdi, unless planning on not going up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 17 April, 2012 Share Posted 17 April, 2012 And Jaihdi, unless planning on not going up. they were all rollovers based on the numbers of games they played last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
up and away Posted 17 April, 2012 Share Posted 17 April, 2012 Actually the starting point is 6 months custody (it's probably a cat 2). Use of weapon, no credit for his defence, and by the sounds of the witness accounts various additional harm and culpability factors, with precious little mitigation. 12 months would be typical, more if he's got previous for any similar offences. Still, don't let the facts get in the way of rolling out a hackneyed cliché... I have not paid much attention to the case, having little knowledge of what went on. But with the testominy being given I find it difficult to see Lee avoiding a custodial sentence, 6 months would come as no surprise. If the statement that the injured party never instigated or responded to the attack, then I think lee's goose is cooked. A violent assult with a bottle, no provacation and no resistance? If all this is true I just cannot see Lee staying out of prison with amnesia being no credible defence in this case. If the guy is left with facial scaring as well, goodnight Lee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 17 April, 2012 Share Posted 17 April, 2012 After reading the statement in the echo from a witness in the Echo (a saints fan too) imo he's going down ! 6 to 12 months Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 17 April, 2012 Share Posted 17 April, 2012 After reading the statement in the echo from a witness in the Echo (a saints fan too) imo he's going down ! 6 to 12 months who cares,just another nutjob from the East End who's not very good at football anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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