GAS Posted 14 April, 2012 Share Posted 14 April, 2012 Not having to listen to words of wisdom from Hanson, Lauro, Shearer and that comedian whose name I forget, on MOTD.C*nt away fans from "big" clubs Losing more than winning C*nt players Sky and their ruining of football Paying more to see us win less Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 14 April, 2012 Author Share Posted 14 April, 2012 Seconded big time. Football isn't about being disappointed if you don't do the treble in a season. I feel sorry for the armchair fans of the 'big clubs' because they don't get the ride we get. Travelling the length of the country to grounds like Prenton Park with a thousand other like minded people to follow your team because you're proud of your city and where you come from is what it's all about. Witnessing a dramatic fall from the big time over a short period of time but still keeping faith and going to 40 games in league one regardless because it's your football club and the result doesn't matter is what it's all about. Going to Preston on a tuesday night and getting done 5-1 but not caring because you've had a cracking day out with your mates in a place you wouldn't ever visit otherwise is what it's all about. Going into random pubs at away days and being able to have a real discussion with opposing supporters about football and not having some pompous City supporter who has only followed the club 3 seasons tell you that your club is **** is what it's all about. Paying a days wages for a ticket to watch us get done 4-0 at the Etihad Stadium by a bunch of arrogant players who earn more in a week than I will earn in 10 years in not what it's about. * puts on Tomobz speaks for me t-shirt* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cestrian Saint Posted 14 April, 2012 Share Posted 14 April, 2012 This is what I alluded to above, people already expect us to walk it next year if we fail this year. Straight away the expectation is on us, we've done so well this year because it wasn't on us. Next season is a different kettle of fish if we're still here and trust me, it won't be as fun as this year. Totally agree. If we don't go up this year then I think we're on for a bit of a stay in the Championship. Which I don't mind at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomobz Posted 14 April, 2012 Share Posted 14 April, 2012 The last 2 season at my local club have been the best that I can remember. Chester City went out of business 2 years ago. A new club was founded and is self funded and run by the supporters. There's no big wig director making a mess of everything and bleeding money out of the club. They've just won their second promotion in as many seasons and will be playing in Conference North next season. Only one league below where they were when they went bump. They got over 5000 for the top of the table clash against Northwich Victoria last week. A Ryman league & new club record. It's a pleasure to be able to lend support to the club and voulenteer to help out when possible. A lot of clubs could learn a lot from their business model. I despise what the Premiership has become. Everybody thought the Sky money was good when it poured in back in the 90's. The truth is that it's made things worse. The rich have got richer and the poor have got poorer. Get rid of the Top 4 or 5 clubs into a European league and make the Premiership more competitive. I have a lot of time for this. This is a great thread! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GAS Posted 14 April, 2012 Share Posted 14 April, 2012 We are 2 yrs ahead of our 5 yr plan!Totally agree. If we don't go up this year then I think we're on for a bit of a stay in the Championship. Which I don't mind at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cestrian Saint Posted 14 April, 2012 Share Posted 14 April, 2012 Not having to listen to words of wisdom from Hanson, Lauro, Shearer and that comedian whose name I forget, on MOTD. That's the best reason yet! Hansen gets £40k per episode! That's disgusing when you consider that the BBC has just axed a load of local radio football coverage. Why not just get rid of him and Lawrenson and keep the smaller Radio stations in business? They're so out of touch with the modern game, it's shocking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GAS Posted 14 April, 2012 Share Posted 14 April, 2012 £40k an episode! that's more than Kanu gets in a week, surely not. After all they are the same age.That's the best reason yet! Hansen gets £40k per episode! That's disgusing when you consider that the BBC has just axed a load of local radio football coverage. Why not just get rid of him and Lawrenson and keep the smaller Radio stations in business? They're so out of touch with the modern game, it's shocking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cestrian Saint Posted 14 April, 2012 Share Posted 14 April, 2012 I have a lot of time for this. This is a great thread! It is. This is what forums are all about. Fans sharing opinions and not being bullied for saying things that certain people don't agree with. Just keep Avenue Saint out of here and we'll all be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 14 April, 2012 Share Posted 14 April, 2012 What's the worst that can happen? We don't go up and another season in arguably the most competitive league in Europe. Not so bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cestrian Saint Posted 14 April, 2012 Share Posted 14 April, 2012 £40k an episode! that's more than Kanu gets in a week, surely not. After all they are the same age. I kid you not. £40k per episode. When it was filmed in London he had a private hire car take him to and from his home in Southport every week and top Hotel accomodation at weekends. The BBC has become a joke. Characterless pundits who are afraid to speak out. Time for some new younger pundits who actually show some passion instead of harping on about the glory days at Liverpool. Love him or hate him, Ian Wright was good fun. He knew the Premiership and showed real passion. He lost his job for not being a yes man. Very sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 14 April, 2012 Share Posted 14 April, 2012 I will look back on the past few years hugely fondly. The togetherness of the fans, those who did hartlepool, carlisle etc in the 3rd tier, being the big dogs instead of the plucky losers noone else wants to be, the fact that most of the 16000 ppl at SMS would probably still turn up even if the team was in the conference because it wasn't about money, tv or merchandise. It wasn't about bet 365 adverts and who was going to sponsor the 'kids' league cup this year. It was Southampton. It was proper football with proper supporters. Do I relish getting turned over 3-0 at Arsenal and being ripped by a smug Alan Hansen going 'it's not the first time this season I've said Danny Fox is a championship player...'? No. Rant over. Supporting saints has hardly been slumming it - go and watch dagenham being dicked every week or follow a nonleague side if that's your thing. Following us has been as much about getting back to the top table as doing my best Common People impression. Without promotion and relegation and the opportunity to progress, football loses its edge and you might as well be dulling yourself on snacks and watching an exhibition game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stug76 Posted 14 April, 2012 Share Posted 14 April, 2012 I've said this before, and it wasn't well received, and given our position I'm less sure of my conviction in saying it but I only want to go up as champions. I want to see Saints win the league, any league. I don't think in my lifetime that we will win the premiership unless there are some drastic changed in the makeup of football. Arguably, we are in a better position than most to sustain a top flight position for a very long time with all the investment that has taken place and the cash that could be available We might not be in a position to win a league for many many years. I think I'd rather **** around in the championship for a few years and win the title than become a mid table premiership team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedWillie Posted 14 April, 2012 Share Posted 14 April, 2012 Everyone needs to stay positive. We can do it !!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 14 April, 2012 Author Share Posted 14 April, 2012 (edited) I've said this before, and it wasn't well received, and given our position I'm less sure of my conviction in saying it but I only want to go up as champions. I want to see Saints win the league, any league. I don't think in my lifetime that we will win the premiership unless there are some drastic changed in the makeup of football. Arguably, we are in a better position than most to sustain a top flight position for a very long time with all the investment that has taken place and the cash that could be available We might not be in a position to win a league for many many years. I think I'd rather **** around in the championship for a few years and win the title than become a mid table premiership team. *Looks for round of applause emoticon* Some superb posts, this thread has restored my faith in internet mong boards. Edited 14 April, 2012 by Turkish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raging Bull Posted 14 April, 2012 Share Posted 14 April, 2012 Are you lot actually saying you dont want to watch our club compete at the highest level?! And more to the point Arsenal, Spurs etc aren't exactly world beaters. We'll have better players and have a very bright manager. Yes we will have to get used to not winning as much but in sport you dont get better unless you go up against better opo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 14 April, 2012 Share Posted 14 April, 2012 Totally agree. If we don't go up this year then I think we're on for a bit of a stay in the Championship. Which I don't mind at all. If we dont go up this season from the position we're in now, we arent likely to go up next year. We will not get a better shot at it than this. We are being funded by owners and a chairman who have expressed an absolutely crystal clear desire to see us playing premier league football within 5 years. I have thoroughly enjoyed our rise through the lower leagues, and it would be great to see that season in and season out, but imho: no prem within the 5 year plan = looking for new owners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 14 April, 2012 Share Posted 14 April, 2012 It will be a sh it ter but come August I will be pleased to go into another season with the opportunity to do the four local East Midlands away fixtures that I've done (or doing, Peterborough this week) this season. I think I'd rather be promoted though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surrey Saint Posted 14 April, 2012 Share Posted 14 April, 2012 Confused by some of the opinions on this thread. Do we want PL football at SMS or should we be tweeting the players to say forget it lads, consensus is we prefer 2nd tier football? And suggest they take it easy over the last 3 games of the season. FWIW I remember the late 60's in the old Division 1 and those later unbroken 27 years of top division football. It was great, both those rare occasions when we were doing well and the backs-against-the-wall relegation seasons. Bring it on again. It was often gripping stuff, beating ManU at the Dell on a number of occasions, 'thrashing' Liverpool 1-0 in the days of their 60's pomp. Who wouldn't want to again entertain the best of the PL at SMS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 14 April, 2012 Author Share Posted 14 April, 2012 /\ so are you wanting these games because you want to see Saints or Man U and Liverpool? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raging Bull Posted 14 April, 2012 Share Posted 14 April, 2012 /\ so are you wanting these games because you want to see Saints or Man U and Liverpool? You cant have 1 without the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 14 April, 2012 Share Posted 14 April, 2012 Totally agree with the general theme of this thread. All I would say though is that the NPC will be a hell of a lot less fun if we aren't fighting it out at the top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 14 April, 2012 Share Posted 14 April, 2012 (edited) Mainly because otherwise what is the point of winning if there is no end product? Simple as that, there does not need any other explanation.But you know what, I am so intrigued at what NC is going to do next. Is he really going to take us into Europe, or is it the same old rhetric that loads of chairman come out with, see, I seem to think he will, and then it's 'what's so great about being in the Champions league'? See you've just summed up the PL for 80% of the teams in it. What is the point for most of the clubs in the PL. The last three years have been great becuase we had a realistic chance of achieving something other than avoiding relegation. Edited 14 April, 2012 by doddisalegend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colbury Posted 14 April, 2012 Share Posted 14 April, 2012 I want to go up. But it isn't life or death. Whilst I'm absolutely gutted about last night - ill get over it. There's more important things in life to worry about - although you wouldn't think so based on the comments of some of the helmets on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 14 April, 2012 Share Posted 14 April, 2012 See you've just summed up the PL for 80% of the teams in it. What is the point for most of the clubs in the PL. I'm guessing its financial, but I always was a bit of a cynic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 14 April, 2012 Share Posted 14 April, 2012 See you've just summed up the PL for 80% of the teams in it. What is the point for most of the clubs in the PL. The last three years have been great becuase we had a realistic chance of achieving something other than avoiding relegation. Its about testing yourself at the highest level - knowing that this is the best the country if not Europe and the world have to offer. Does it matter if it doesnt lead to any trophies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 14 April, 2012 Share Posted 14 April, 2012 " so are you wanting these games because you want to see Saints or Man U and Liverpool?" You cant have 1 without the other. You can. Watch Saints in whatever league and get a Sky subscription. I'm only interested in one of those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rshephard3 Posted 14 April, 2012 Share Posted 14 April, 2012 Supporting saints has hardly been slumming it - go and watch dagenham being dicked every week or follow a nonleague side if that's your thing. Following us has been as much about getting back to the top table as doing my best Common People impression. Without promotion and relegation and the opportunity to progress, football loses its edge and you might as well be dulling yourself on snacks and watching an exhibition game. Someone like you will be satisfied when the MASTERPLAN comes to fruition and we beat Barcelona in the Champions League then? World domination will be complete. I have a suspicion you knew exactly what my post meant, and it certainly didn't advocate non competitive football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 14 April, 2012 Author Share Posted 14 April, 2012 " so are you wanting these games because you want to see Saints or Man U and Liverpool?" You can. Watch Saints in whatever league and get a Sky subscription. I'm only interested in one of those. Again an excellent post. I'd go regardless of who we were playing. I really cant get excited about us seeing playing Man U and Chelsea. It really doesn't interst me. I go to see Saints Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raging Bull Posted 14 April, 2012 Share Posted 14 April, 2012 " so are you wanting these games because you want to see Saints or Man U and Liverpool?" You can. Watch Saints in whatever league and get a Sky subscription. I'm only interested in one of those. Yes I know that ffs and I'm speaking as someone who's spent a small fortune on ST's etc through thick and thin, the thing is you'll get the plastics back again if/when we go up. They shouldn't syop the likes of you and me enjoying watching our lads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 14 April, 2012 Share Posted 14 April, 2012 Someone like you will be satisfied when the MASTERPLAN comes to fruition and we beat Barcelona in the Champions League then? World domination will be complete. I have a suspicion you knew exactly what my post meant, and it certainly didn't advocate non competitive football. Nah - but I do want us to test ourselves against the best possible opposition -and that's in the Prem not the NPC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 14 April, 2012 Share Posted 14 April, 2012 Again an excellent post. I'd go regardless of who we were playing. I really cant get excited about us seeing playing Man U and Chelsea. It really doesn't interst me. I go to see Saints And you didn't get any satisfaction when Chaplow smashed in that opener against Man U, seeing their lot in stony silence and disbelief during that period we led? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rshephard3 Posted 14 April, 2012 Share Posted 14 April, 2012 Nah - but I do want us to test ourselves against the best possible opposition -and that's in the Prem not the NPC. Fait do's. I have that feeling too in some ways. It almost feels like I want the top tier but the one I grew up with, the one of 1996-2000. The top tier seems to me to have transformed into quite an unappealing beast in many respects since then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 14 April, 2012 Author Share Posted 14 April, 2012 And you didn't get any satisfaction when Chaplow smashed in that opener against Man U, seeing their lot in stony silence and disbelief during that period we led? I didn't go, because the ground was full of JCLs and people on Facebook banging on about how much they were looking forward to seeing Man United. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raging Bull Posted 14 April, 2012 Share Posted 14 April, 2012 I didn't go, because the groud was full of JCLs Didn't you book your ST seat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 14 April, 2012 Share Posted 14 April, 2012 I understand the arguments about enjoying Saints more in the Championship than in the PL, but the question is, where do we go and what do we do next if we are the best team in the Championship and dont go up to the PL ? We're stuck in some sort of alternative dimension with no goals or targets to attain. The problem is, football is rotten to the core, and until there is major shock/upheaval in the way the game is run and organised, being in the PL seems a necessary evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 14 April, 2012 Share Posted 14 April, 2012 I didn't go, because the ground was full of JCLs and people on Facebook banging on about how much they were looking forward to seeing Man United. Surely you watched it on the box tho? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintoli Posted 14 April, 2012 Share Posted 14 April, 2012 I understand the arguments about enjoying Saints more in the Championship than in the PL, but the question is, where do we go and what do we do next if we are the best team in the Championship and dont go up to the PL ? We're stuck in some sort of alternative dimension with no goals or targets to attain. The problem is, football is rotten to the core, and until there is major shock/upheaval in the way the game is run and organised, being in the PL seems a necessary evil. So true! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 14 April, 2012 Author Share Posted 14 April, 2012 Didn't you book your ST seat? Nope as I say, was full of JCLs, that ain't for me. I'm sure my seat went to some giant foam hander bulb who had their annual ay out away from their wife. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 14 April, 2012 Author Share Posted 14 April, 2012 Surely you watched it on the box tho? Yeah, it's was on Terrestrial, f*ck sky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tedmaul Posted 14 April, 2012 Share Posted 14 April, 2012 Jason Statham wouldn't have gone either, he's cool and tough. And everything I'd like to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat from Poole Posted 14 April, 2012 Share Posted 14 April, 2012 Really interesting. Common theme seems to be that whilst everybody wants the best for Saints as a club, a lot of us are pretty anxious about the reality of being in the Prem, mainly in terms of enjoying the day at the football. I have to say that I largely echo these concerns. Though from a personal perspective, family reasons mean that I've only been to about 10 games this season, and in the Prem every game will be available on the Internet, so if we go up I'll probably go a lot less than I have this season. And this could be Cortese's dilemma when it comes to ticket prices, as a lot of people may get alienated by the sanitised plasticness of the Prem. That said, I'll be really gutted if Saints don't go up this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 14 April, 2012 Share Posted 14 April, 2012 This has been quite comforting, but I for some mad reason want to go up. You do realise that we must have come across as these arrogant fans over the last 3 seasons? We need to see what happens when we do go up. Just to see if we push for Europe, extend the ground..... I do have to say 2 or the 3 seasons in the championship last time around we're bloody terrible. Whatever league you are in, it is only good if you are WINNING! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 14 April, 2012 Share Posted 14 April, 2012 Fait do's. I have that feeling too in some ways. It almost feels like I want the top tier but the one I grew up with, the one of 1996-2000. The top tier seems to me to have transformed into quite an unappealing beast in many respects since then. Like you, I hate what the prem has become and the wider culture around it, right down to being forced into small talk with ***** at the office. But in footballing terms, I wouldn't have it any other way. If the price is a few extra thousand JCLs, so be it - its not as if it comes at the expense of the proper fan. Whatever happens, the club can send out a powerful message by getting its loyalty policy right and that extends to ST pricing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 14 April, 2012 Share Posted 14 April, 2012 The main advantage of the premiership is the extra coverage that you get, both on the tele and in the papers. I can do without the ticket prices though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 14 April, 2012 Share Posted 14 April, 2012 If we go up, I will have to stop paying 10 Euros subscription and pay 30 Euros for a different package and will see Saints less often, because Sky arent going to show us in the PL anywhere near as often as they have this season, where we must have been the most televised Championship team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warsash saint Posted 14 April, 2012 Share Posted 14 April, 2012 Just imagine Alpine every Saturday night after Saints failing to win in the Premiership ??? I'll keep the Championship thanks ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 14 April, 2012 Share Posted 14 April, 2012 If we go up, I will have to stop paying 10 Euros subscription and pay 30 Euros for a different package and will see Saints less often, because Sky arent going to show us in the PL anywhere near as often as they have this season, where we must have been the most televised Championship team. I know it shouldn't make a difference, but I don't think that's helped. Perhaps some kind soul can look at our results at 3:00pm kickoffs compared with the silly times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadgerBadger Posted 14 April, 2012 Share Posted 14 April, 2012 Where's the passion ffs - get promoted and pit ourselves against the best Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 14 April, 2012 Share Posted 14 April, 2012 I know it shouldn't make a difference, but I don't think that's helped. Perhaps some kind soul can look at our results at 3:00pm kickoffs compared with the silly times. At your service... 3PM KO: Played 22 Won 16 Drawn 2 Lost 4 Any other time KO: Played 21 Won 8 Drawn 8 Lost 5 Means nothing really but I was bored! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 14 April, 2012 Share Posted 14 April, 2012 At your service... 3PM KO: Played 22 Won 16 Drawn 2 Lost 4 Any other time KO: Played 21 Won 8 Drawn 8 Lost 5 Means nothing really but I was bored! Oh, I dont know. That looks pretty conclusive to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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