Kelvin - First Goal Yesterday!

[captain sensible]

I was sat right behind the goal yesterday and from what I saw, I thought Kelvin could have collected that. I felt he left it unaware of the impending threat, and Fonte allowed the Reading player to get ballside. Ultimately I think Kelvin should have dealt with it by punching it clear. Anyone else see it and feel the same? I just want to add that Kelvin is a great keeper but mistakes at this stage of the run in are going to be expensive, and he needs to deal with everything.

[Whitey Grandad]

Nah, Fonte's ball, surely.

[Window Cleaner]

I thought a real keeper would have come out for it, said so on the "Wake".

[Window Cleaner]

Nah, Fonte's ball, surely.

 

general confusion, seemed to think Kelvin should gobble it up and there wasn't much danger.

Commentators thought it was a keeper's ball, mind you perhaps they didn't mean a Kelvin type on your line keeper.

Suppose they do a lot of Prem work where that would have been gobbled up by 80% of them.

[Whitey Grandad]

general confusion, seemed to think Kelvin should gobble it up and there wasn't much danger.

Commentators thought it was a keeper's ball, mind you perhaps they didn't mean a Kelvin type on your line keeper.

Suppose they do a lot of Prem work where that would have been gobbled up by 80% of them.

 

That's not 'the Southampton Way'.

[Jackie@home]

Some people like to blame Kelv for everything! A point blank header from 3 yards! It was Fox's fault for giving the ball away in the first place and he just doesn't prevent enough crosses. He might be a better footballer than Harding but I think Harding would have made a better job of stopping the cross. All the goals went down his side. Fonte didn't cover himself with glory either with all 3 goals - blame the right players!

[jimbojones10]

It was never kelvins ball, the cross came in quick was right on roberts head, it was all foxs fault as he always does gave the wide midfielder too much space to get the cross in.

[jampot]

The pass from Fox will live with me for ever if we dont get promoted...

[Saintandy666]

I don't know. I don't really count the 3rd goal, we were chasing(rightfully) for an equaliser... and got caught on the break.

[aintforever]

Kelvin does have a tendency to stay rooted to his line, I must admit I thought it was punchable but I didn't have a great view.

[The Kraken]

Some people like to blame Kelv for everything! A point blank header from 3 yards! It was Fox's fault for giving the ball away in the first place and he just doesn't prevent enough crosses. He might be a better footballer than Harding but I think Harding would have made a better job of stopping the cross. All the goals went down his side. Fonte didn't cover himself with glory either with all 3 goals - blame the right players!

 

A header from 3 yards, from a cross that had to travel all the way from the touchline.

 

Are you really suggesting a quality keeper cannot read the flight of the ball from that far out, step forward 3 paces and get his outstretched hands over the head of a striker? Even just to punch clear?

 

If you're suggesting that is an unreasonable expectation of a keeper, then I feel you have massively low benchmarks for those between the sticks.

[corsacar saint]

If Federici had been in goal,it would not have been scored. As I have said many times,Kelvin is a great shot stopper,but he rarely ever controls his 6 yard box.

[DT]

Kelvin is Dracula. Afraid of crosses.

[DT]

I think he should have got Pompey's first too. Too slow.

[Saint Lindford]

Should never have come to blaming KD. The goal was down to FOX alone end of story. If he had not tried one of his hollywood balls then they would not have scored.

[Wiggles31]

Tbh it was a million dollar cross that Davis and Fonte could not really do much about. Fox was the man who should have been tighter (and shouldn't have given the feckin ball away in the first place)

[Turkish]

Fox gave the ball away, it was a good cross but Fonte went missing, it was a clinical finish. Davis isnt to blame FFS.

[CanadaSaint]

It all happened so damn quickly - too fast for Kelvin to react IMO. No, he's not good on crosses but that ball was whipped in so fast that I don't think any keeper would have had time to react.

 

If it hadn't been right in his "flight path", I don't think Roberts would have got his head on it, either.

 

There were two big mistakes on that goal but they both belonged to Fox.

[Whitey Grandad]

I think he should have got Pompey's first too. Too slow.

 

Now there I agree with you.

[Leicestersaint]

Dreadful 'pass' by Fox - simply awful - but i do think KD ought to have got it. And as for the last one!

[DrZuess1979 the 2nd]

Fox gave the ball away, it was a good cross but Fonte went missing, it was a clinical finish. Davis isnt to blame FFS.

 

This^

 

and it was a hell of a cross right in the corridor

[captainchris]

It was never kelvins ball, the cross came in quick was right on roberts head, it was all foxs fault as he always does gave the wide midfielder too much space to get the cross in.

 

This is so obvious - can't see why the coaches have not dealt with it???? What did we pay for Fox - I just cannot see the value in him. If we'd brought him for say 300,000 then fair enough but we paid a small fortune for him and he's not dramatically different to Harding and hardly picks himself.........

[S-Clarke]

Great cross from one of their danger men. It was Fonte who misjudged it completely, and Fox who presented them with the opportunity in the first place.

 

Blaming Davis for that goal is just pointless. Looking for problems where there aren't any.

[Whitey Grandad]

Great cross from one of their danger men. It was Fonte who misjudged it completely, and Fox who presented them with the opportunity in the first place.

 

Blaming Davis for that goal is just pointless. Looking for problems where there aren't any.

 

Exactly. It would make more sense to criticise Adam for missing that header.

[CanadaSaint]

Great cross from one of their danger men. It was Fonte who misjudged it completely, and Fox who presented them with the opportunity in the first place.

 

Blaming Davis for that goal is just pointless. Looking for problems where there aren't any.

 

To be honest - and I think Fonte has been average-to-poor for some time - I wouldn't even blame Fonte for it.

 

By luck more likely than judgment, the ball was hit into that "soft spot" between keeper and defender - one can't get back fast enough and the other can't get forward fast enough.

 

Fox and Fox alone wears that one.

[Micky]

The pass from Fox will live with me for ever if we dont get promoted...

 

A bit like the shot from Crouch that should have gone into row z, but ended up with an easy save for the Keeper - the rest, as they say, is history.

[Micky]

All 3 were culpable, Fox, Fonte and Davis (probably in that order). We showed our pretty stuff yesterday, which looked good. They showed their effective stuff, which got results.

[Graffito]

Rule of thumb, anything in the six yard box a keeper deals with. Kelvin generally doesn't come for crosses in the six yard box which isn't necessarily a problem if he doesn't do so consistently. The defenders then know it's their job to win the ball. I only saw the goal live and haven't seen a re-run but whoever was in the six yard box obviously didn't deal with the cross. However, it was an excellent cross and header but which should never have got that far because Fox should have cut off the cross at source, a fundamental task of playing full back.

[Norm]

At fault,

 

1, Fox for the Kamakazi whole width of the pitch pass

2, Fonte for wearing boots filled with lead weights,

3, KD for having his feet glued to the goal line.

 

Just my view but as I'm often told, "What do you know about anything".

[GAS]

Agree with this. Fox was the main culprit, why he let him cross is a mystery, he just stood watching. Get under him nipper.

At fault,

 

1, Fox for the Kamakazi whole width of the pitch pass

2, Fonte for wearing boots filled with lead weights,

3, KD for having his feet glued to the goal line.

 

Just my view but as I'm often told, "What do you know about anything".

[vince]

Rule of thumb, anything in the six yard box a keeper deals with. Kelvin generally doesn't come for crosses in the six yard box which isn't necessarily a problem if he doesn't do so consistently. The defenders then know it's their job to win the ball. I only saw the goal live and haven't seen a re-run but whoever was in the six yard box obviously didn't deal with the cross. However, it was an excellent cross and header but which should never have got that far because Fox should have cut off the cross at source, a fundamental task of playing full back.

 

I'd agree with that, plus the cross was always curling away from the keeper. KD doesn't come for crosses, he certainly wasn't coming for crosses of that type.

[saintant]

Have to go back to the root cause and that was the poor square pass played by Fox. There was absolutely no need to attempt it and I firmly believe that didn't just cost us a goal - it cost us the game. We were well on top at the time and Reading couldn't cope until that goal stalled our momentum and gave them a foothold in the game. Very expensive sloppy pass from an experienced pro who should know better.

[S-Clarke]

Have to go back to the root cause and that was the poor square pass played by Fox. There was absolutely no need to attempt it and I firmly believe that didn't just cost us a goal - it cost us the game. We were well on top at the time and Reading couldn't cope until that goal stalled our momentum and gave them a foothold in the game. Very expensive sloppy pass from an experienced pro who should know better.

 

It's a good point, the first goal in this game was always crucial. Both us and Reading have gone on and won when we've scored first, so the early goal, against the run of play, set it up perfectly for them.

 

It was an incredibly sloppy bit of play and it's something we've been doing a bit too much in recent weeks if I'm honest. The 3 goals against Blackpool were avoidable, the last goal against Pompey was avoidable if we didn't neglect to leave Norris free in the final minute. Cut the sloppiness out and we'll win all 3, we're playing well enough. That's the frustrating thing.

[Graffito]

Have to go back to the root cause and that was the poor square pass played by Fox. There was absolutely no need to attempt it and I firmly believe that didn't just cost us a goal - it cost us the game. We were well on top at the time and Reading couldn't cope until that goal stalled our momentum and gave them a foothold in the game. Very expensive sloppy pass from an experienced pro who should know better.

 

Yes. Fox should concentrate on defending crosses rather than making ambitious cross field passes. I actually rate Fox and think he's our best full back. I reckon he will have taken those mistakes to heart and hope he gets the chance to make amends at Peterborough.

[GAS]

He does give the ball away far to often, always looking for that searching long ball. As is Jos H.

Have to go back to the root cause and that was the poor square pass played by Fox. There was absolutely no need to attempt it and I firmly believe that didn't just cost us a goal - it cost us the game. We were well on top at the time and Reading couldn't cope until that goal stalled our momentum and gave them a foothold in the game. Very expensive sloppy pass from an experienced pro who should know better.

[bpsaint]

It wasn't just the shocking pass from Fox that cost us, he made absolutely no effort whatsoever to stop the cross from Kebe. He's fantastic going forward is the lad but his defending is questionable. Reminds me of Bale in the second half of the 06/07 season.

[Whitey Grandad]

Just seen the goals again on the FL show. How on earth does Fonte miss that clearance? He completely misreads the flight of the ball.

[L1Minus10]

Kelvin had one of his 'nailed to the goalline' games last night. It wasn't just the 1st goal, there were numerous other crosses that he just left and caused issues in the defence. He was however, completely blameless for goals 2 and 3.

[The Kraken]

Kelvin had one of his 'nailed to the goalline' games last night. It wasn't just the 1st goal, there were numerous other crosses that he just left and caused issues in the defence. He was however, completely blameless for goals 2 and 3.

 

Awful for the first goal. Just watched it again. His starting position is good just before the cross is good, he's central about 3 yards out. He sees the cross come in, stays there, and then suddenly retreats to his line and shouts "AWAY!" before seeing the ball get smashed past him. Total abdication of responsibility and a reluctance to claim a cross when it would have been a relatively simple clutch for any keeper worth his salt.

 

Great shot stopper. Nowhere near good enough at commanding his area; let alone his six yard box.

[Lighthouse]

For the first goal, any one out of Fonte, Fox or Davis should have prevented it.

 

All 3 goals were a combination of careless individual errors, not picking up a man and failing to make a fairly routine clearance. Adkins is no mug, he will have watched the videos in much more detail than we have and should have them firing on all cylinders again come Tuesday.

[Golac's Iron Gonads]

For the first goal, any one out of Fonte, Fox or Davis should have prevented it.

 

My feelings, too. Should have and could have. If just one of them had done their job effectively. Who knows?

[sidthesquid]

It is Kelvin's fatal weakness, I'm afraid. In my opinion, anything in the six-yard box HAS to be the keeper's. We are right in line with that goal & it was so close in it had to be his, because if contact is made he has zero chance of reacting, as proved the case

[Alain Perrin]

Get a grip. It was a balls up. Get over it.

 

Kelvin has saved us many more points than he has lost us this season. Accept the fact we got done by a team who took their chances and move on.

 

Blame won't get us three points. Unless you want Bart in goal for the next match?

[Whitey Grandad]

Get a grip. It was a balls up. Get over it.

 

Kelvin has saved us many more points than he has lost us this season. Accept the fact we got done by a team who took their chances and move on.

 

Blame won't get us three points. Unless you want Bart in goal for the next match?

 

You're quite right but I have been saying for some time that we need a better keeper.

[david in sweden]

I was sat right behind the goal yesterday and from what I saw, I thought Kelvin could have collected that. I felt he left it unaware of the impending threat, and Fonte allowed the Reading player to get ballside. Ultimately I think Kelvin should have dealt with it by punching it clear. Anyone else see it and feel the same? I just want to add that Kelvin is a great keeper but mistakes at this stage of the run in are going to be expensive, and he needs to deal with everything.

 

I watched a live streamed version (together with x replays,) and it appeared that Fonte was in front of Roberts - but didn't clear the incoming cross..so that JR was (behind him) ...near the far post.. and almost had a free shot on goal.

 

In my book, the third goal was worse. Fonte's soft, suicidal back pass that left Davis in no-mans-land, and Le Fondre was faster than both of them.

Edited 15 April, 2012 by david in sweden

[david in sweden]

You're quite right but I have been saying for some time that we need a better keeper.

 

 

he's not so bad - after 250+ games, but we certainly need ANOTHER keeper.

 

Many Prem. sides have one, if not two INTERNATIONAL keepers on their books.

 

Even if you rate Davis behind Green, he's really not that bad. ....and please don't anyone say Bart is worth his place !!!

[Channon's Sideburns]

Kelvin does have a tendency to stay rooted to his line, I must admit I thought it was punchable but I didn't have a great view.

 

Peter Shilton used to stay on his line as well - so there's that argument gone.

[Huffton]

My initial reaction at the game was that Kelvin should have done better, however having seen it on tv he wouldnt have got anywhere near it, it was further out than it looked from the stands as was curling away from him.

[Saint Pete]

It was a great cross from Kebe to be fair. Don't think Kelvin would have made it if he'd come for it, as it was whipped in too fast.

[Whitey Grandad]

It was a great cross from Kebe to be fair. Don't think Kelvin would have made it if he'd come for it, as it was whipped in too fast.

 

Absolutely. I have been critical of him but that wasn't his fault. Fox for the vanity pass that picked out the only Reading player amongst four of ours, Fox for not getting in Kebe's face for the cross and Fonte for getting sucked under the cross and not blocking Roberts's run and header. You also have to criticise all the missed chances from Lallana and Lambert in particular whilst you're at it.