It's all gone quiet from the "we only need eighty points" brigade....

[CB Fry]

.....Where are you chaps?

 

Lots of mouth from you lot earlier on in the season.

 

We only need eighty points.

 

We only need to beat the historical average total for the team in, err, third to go up.

 

Also lots of talk of points above that being unneccesary. If I could be arsed I would dig out some of those classic posts and some of the abuse I got.

 

Well here we are. More than Eighty points. We've done it. You lot were pretty sodding sure earlier in the season, not a peep from you now reassuring us that we don't need any more 'unnessessary' (yes, that word was used) points.

 

Here I am. Where are you?

[Webby]

Well, strictly speaking, if whu get only 4 points from their last 4 games, assuming our GD is better, then 80 points will be enough. The fact that we've surpassed that wont matter.

[Saint Without a Halo]

80 might yet be enough depends on what the hammers do doesnt it? I always thought 85 was enough myself but looking like 86 maybe now!

[The9]

As West Ham are currently only on 76 points (albeit with 4 to play) I'd suggest they're still in with a chance of being right... for the moment. If West Ham get another 4 points, THEN might be the time for the big "told you so".

[kpturner]

What an odd thread to start. How long have you been waiting to post that?

[Saint_clark]

Why are people who hold a perfectly reasonable opinion based on previous seasons now considered to be in their own brigade? Are we going to have these sort of threads for every little difference in opinion once things have played out?

[Window Cleaner]

88/87 was always going to be the absolute minimum because it's been a 3 horse race for such a long time.

3 sides in the League are vastly superior to all of the others (well maybe Birimingham are handicapped by their start)

 

It's just a good thing that West Ham's home form has been so poor because if not last night would have been curtains for us on the automatic promotion front.

[S-Clarke]

Why are people who hold a perfectly reasonable opinion based on previous seasons now considered to be in their own brigade? Are we going to have these sort of threads for every little difference in opinion once things have played out?

 

This.

 

For what it's worth, if Reading hadn't gone on this unbelievable run which not many teams manage, then 80 points would have been fine. A lot of us didn't see Reading going on that run a few months back, we were looking at the likes of Brum, WHU dropping points regularly. Then Reading turned up...

[trousers]

Human beings in 'sometimes a forecast turns out to be wrong' shocker

[Saintandy666]

I still think 85 will be enough.

[Thedelldays]

85 will do it IMO

 

on another note. Jelevic has just scored for everton...remember the experts telling us would be terrible because played for rangers

[CB Fry]

Why are people who hold a perfectly reasonable opinion based on previous seasons now considered to be in their own brigade? Are we going to have these sort of threads for every little difference in opinion once things have played out?

 

Because their original premise was wrong then, is wrong now and will be wrong next season.

[Saint_clark]

Because their original premise was wrong then, is wrong now and will be wrong next season.

 

Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

[Thedelldays]

Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

its not really hindsight when plenty were saying 80 points will not be enough

[Saint_clark]

its not really hindsight when plenty were saying 80 points will not be enough

 

Of course it is. As pointed out above, who could have known then that Reading would pick up 45 out of 48 possible points.

[Thedelldays]

Of course it is. As pointed out above, who could have known then that Reading would pick up 45 out of 48 possible points.

what, a team in the NPC does not go on a mental run...?

no, that never ever happens does it

[The9]

88/87 was always going to be the absolute minimum because it's been a 3 horse race for such a long time.

3 sides in the League are vastly superior to all of the others (well maybe Birimingham are handicapped by their start)

 

It's just a good thing that West Ham's home form has been so poor because if not last night would have been curtains for us on the automatic promotion front.

 

We could currently get confirmed as promoted on Tuesday (barring unlikely GD swings) with 85 points, and should West Ham lose their last 4, 76 and a decent GD will have been enough (assuming Brum don't overtake them).

 

The "number of points needed" thread stats are based on accommodating things like West Ham's home form being poor, I think you've completely missed the point - we don't need that many points precisely because the teams around us have lost matches. Sheesh.

[Barry the Badger]

.....Where are you chaps?

 

Lots of mouth from you lot earlier on in the season.

 

We only need eighty points.

 

We only need to beat the historical average total for the team in, err, third to go up.

 

Also lots of talk of points above that being unneccesary. If I could be arsed I would dig out some of those classic posts and some of the abuse I got.

 

Well here we are. More than Eighty points. We've done it. You lot were pretty sodding sure earlier in the season, not a peep from you now reassuring us that we don't need any more 'unnessessary' (yes, that word was used) points.

 

Here I am. Where are you?

 

[Thedelldays]

on another note

 

tevez an aguero look unplayable together...shame tevez is a ****

[CB Fry]

Of course it is. As pointed out above, who could have known then that Reading would pick up 45 out of 48 possible points.

 

Eff all to do with Reading.

 

Eff all to do with hindsight.

 

The key point is the eighty point boys aren't actually wrong yet. Its just the conviction seems to have gone.

 

Actually this is the thing: the eighty point theory ONLY works in hindsight. Rhis idea of unnessary points only works once a season is finished. Thats why as a theory it was and still is ********. And to repeat, nothing to do with Reading who are top of the league with a completely typical points tally. Utterly typical.

[Dalek2003]

.....Where are you chaps?

 

Lots of mouth from you lot earlier on in the season.

 

We only need eighty points.

 

We only need to beat the historical average total for the team in, err, third to go up.

 

Also lots of talk of points above that being unneccesary. If I could be arsed I would dig out some of those classic posts and some of the abuse I got.

 

Well here we are. More than Eighty points. We've done it. You lot were pretty sodding sure earlier in the season, not a peep from you now reassuring us that we don't need any more 'unnessessary' (yes, that word was used) points.

 

Here I am. Where are you?

 

Fat chance that they will own up. I have been trying for eight years to get people to own up to them being part of the small but vocal anti-Hoddle group in 2004. They wont own uup because they know that they played a large part in our rleegation down the divisions. They were wrong and dont like to admit it.

At least I am open about my opinions as is the likes of Alpine.

[northam soul]

Fat chance that they will own up. I have been trying for eight years to get people to own up to them being part of the small but vocal anti-Hoddle group in 2004. They wont own uup because they know that they played a large part in our rleegation down the divisions. They were wrong and dont like to admit it.

At least I am open about my opinions as is the likes of Alpine.

 

Dont you think its about time you stopped going on about kin hoddle. This really has been done to death.

Get over it now and get yourself mentally prepared for the play offs or our 17th place finish or whatever position you now take.

[The9]

Dont you think its about time you stopped going on about kin hoddle. This really has been done to death.

Get over it now and get yourself mentally prepared for the play offs or our 17th place finish or whatever position you now take.

 

If everyone stops replying to him about it he'll move onto stupid stuff like predicting us to come 17th (though next season in the Prem I think a lot of people will take that).

[Webby]

Fat chance that they will own up. I have been trying for eight years to get people to own up to them being part of the small but vocal anti-Hoddle group in 2004. They wont own uup because they know that they played a large part in our rleegation down the divisions. They were wrong and dont like to admit it.

At least I am open about my opinions as is the likes of Alpine.

No owning up needed. They still might be right. 80 points may well be enough for auto promotion. We won't know until the end of the season.

[itchen]

Honestly, what a pointless thread. Yes, before anyone points it out, I'm commenting on it. I used to think CB Fry made some good points but he seems recently to have sunk to trolling nonsense. Some people may have thought 80 points would have been enough. In the past it has been. But I don't think they were ever a "brigade". God, I hate that term - usually used by fervent right-wingers damning the "PC brigade" and the "health and safety brigade". I can see "80 points brigade" sitting happily in the columns of the Daily Mail.

 

Anyway, 80 points may be enough, it may not. But as John Maynard Keynes said "When the facts change, I change my opinions". To do otherwise would be stupid.

[buctootim]

Dont recall a thundering herd of 1000's of Saints fans swearing in blood that only 80 points was enough. Who knows though, some may have speculated, it is a discussion board after all.

 

In general its best not to be pompous, because for sure you'll have history making the same mistakes.

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?25238-Adkins-out.-But-when&p=848818#post848818

 

 

 

Edit just found thre thread. Ooh look no-one called 80 points and no-one abused CB Fry (though he did abuse others). Turned into just another attention seeking drama queen.

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?35855-How-many-points-for-2nd-place-this-season

Edited 14 April, 2012 by buctootim

[student]

I called 85 about 3 months ago, still think it will be the number

[Saint Without a Halo]

Eff all to do with Reading.

 

Eff all to do with hindsight.

 

The key point is the eighty point boys aren't actually wrong yet. Its just the conviction seems to have gone.

 

Actually this is the thing: the eighty point theory ONLY works in hindsight. Rhis idea of unnessary points only works once a season is finished. Thats why as a theory it was and still is ********. And to repeat, nothing to do with Reading who are top of the league with a completely typical points tally. Utterly typical.

 

What are you on about and what is the point of this thread? 80 points can work some seasons and not others so can 90 it all depends on how the points are shared out over a season!

[Noodles34]

I called 85 about 3 months ago, still think it will be the number

 

I called 88 a month or two ago, still think that will be enough, though i am expecting us to get 89

[shurlock]

.....Where are you chaps?

 

Lots of mouth from you lot earlier on in the season.

 

We only need eighty points.

 

We only need to beat the historical average total for the team in, err, third to go up.

 

Also lots of talk of points above that being unneccesary. If I could be arsed I would dig out some of those classic posts and some of the abuse I got.

 

Well here we are. More than Eighty points. We've done it. You lot were pretty sodding sure earlier in the season, not a peep from you now reassuring us that we don't need any more 'unnessessary' (yes, that word was used) points.

 

Here I am. Where are you?

 

Lots of mouth from you too, you bulb - dismissing and ridiculing people who were getting nervous, saying it was a virtual cakewalk. Three games to go, run-in seems a lot tighter to me.

[Sour Mash]

.....Where are you chaps?

 

Lots of mouth from you lot earlier on in the season.

 

We only need eighty points.

 

We only need to beat the historical average total for the team in, err, third to go up.

 

Also lots of talk of points above that being unneccesary. If I could be arsed I would dig out some of those classic posts and some of the abuse I got.

 

Well here we are. More than Eighty points. We've done it. You lot were pretty sodding sure earlier in the season, not a peep from you now reassuring us that we don't need any more 'unnessessary' (yes, that word was used) points.

 

Here I am. Where are you?

What a pointless, petty, childish post.

[CB Fry]

What are you on about and what is the point of this thread? 80 points can work some seasons and not others so can 90 it all depends on how the points are shared out over a season!

 

Thread was directed at the loons who blather on about us only needing to just beat the mathematical average of third place. It was a recurring debate several months ago but its all gone quiet. Just wondered where those people are now, especially the ones who talked about points being "unnecessary" beyond a certain point.

 

By the way 80 points has been enough for second only once in the last decade. It's very rare.

 

Lots of mouth from you too, you bulb - dismissing and ridiculing people who were getting nervous, saying it was a virtual cakewalk. Three games to go, run-in seems a lot tighter to me.

 

It's called belief in the team. If we can't have a swagger on when top of the table, when can you. Plenty of time to worry, fret and fanny about next season. I never said anything was a cakewalk, but the stats and the facts were and are in our favour. If we do guff it up, then it will go down as one of the most spectacular capitulations of all time. I didn't then, and I don't now waste energy worrying about things like that.

 

What a pointless, petty, childish post.

 

Because internet forum posts are really important otherwise. If I can poke a stick in the cage of resident forum divs using dopey statistics then I will.

 

You can all have a go back if you like. Part of the fun.

 

And with that in mind...

 

 

Dont recall a thundering herd of 1000's of Saints fans swearing in blood that only 80 points was enough. Who knows though, some may have speculated, it is a discussion board after all.

 

In general its best not to be pompous, because for sure you'll have history making the same mistakes.

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?25238-Adkins-out.-But-when&p=848818#post848818

 

 

 

Edit just found thre thread. Ooh look no-one called 80 points and no-one abused CB Fry (though he did abuse others). Turned into just another attention seeking drama queen.

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?35855-How-many-points-for-2nd-place-this-season

 

Don't remember talking about hoards or swearing in blood but jolly good try through. You can twist stuff round if you like. There were other "points" threads before that one and there were the lunatics espousing the "slightly better than average for third" routine on those. That opinion, rife among some back then, has entirely evaporated now. unlike you I really can't be arsed to dredge the forum, but hey ho. It's a game, ain't it?

[The Kraken]

Not sure why this thread had to be re-invented. But looking at the "80 points for second place" thread and reliving PokingFun make an arse of himself with basic maths made it worthwhile enough.

[Fan The Flames]

Seriously. Chill out. It's in the bag.

[alpine_saint]

.....Where are you chaps?

 

Lots of mouth from you lot earlier on in the season.

 

We only need eighty points.

 

We only need to beat the historical average total for the team in, err, third to go up.

 

Also lots of talk of points above that being unneccesary. If I could be arsed I would dig out some of those classic posts and some of the abuse I got.

 

Well here we are. More than Eighty points. We've done it. You lot were pretty sodding sure earlier in the season, not a peep from you now reassuring us that we don't need any more 'unnessessary' (yes, that word was used) points.

 

Here I am. Where are you?

 

Thats the problem with this place. Abuse is allowed if it comes mob-handed, and if you dare to try to point out you were correct in your assertion and the mob were wrong, you just get accused of being attention-seeking and saying "I was right". And if you dare snap at the volume of abusive response, you get infracted.

 

Reconcile yourself to the fact that if you disagree with the flock of sheep you never get a fair hearing or consideration. I did long ago.

[alpine_saint]

Seriously. Chill out. It's in the bag.

 

Is it f**k.

[anothersaintinsouthsea]

.....Where are you chaps?

 

Lots of mouth from you lot earlier on in the season.

 

We only need eighty points.

 

We only need to beat the historical average total for the team in, err, third to go up.

 

Also lots of talk of points above that being unneccesary. If I could be arsed I would dig out some of those classic posts and some of the abuse I got.

 

Well here we are. More than Eighty points. We've done it. You lot were pretty sodding sure earlier in the season, not a peep from you now reassuring us that we don't need any more 'unnessessary' (yes, that word was used) points.

 

Here I am. Where are you?

 

How does being wrong many weeks ago about needing 80 points make anyone a "lunatic"? How does mis-understanding the need to beat 2nd rather than 3rd make anyone a "lunatic"? Judging by the rediculous opening to this thread I'd suggest the only lunatic is you.

 

Given that a "brigade" maintained that 80 points would be enough then I'm sure you'll have no problem on finding loads of forum usernames of the tens/hundreds of those 80 points would be enough?

 

You're going to look even more of a tool if West Ham somehow contrive to lose their last 3 games.

 

Edit - just looked at the second thread linked above. Only one person suggested 80 points would be enough, another suggested 80-85 would be enough, and a few others suggested a minimum of 84/85 points. The first poster to be unpleasant? CB Fry.

Edited 14 April, 2012 by anothersaintinsouthsea

[CB Fry]

How does being wrong many weeks ago about needing 80 points make anyone a "lunatic"? How does mis-understanding the need to beat 2nd rather than 3rd make anyone a "lunatic"? Judging by the rediculous opening to this thread I'd suggest the only lunatic is you.

 

Given that a "brigade" maintained that 80 points would be enough then I'm sure you'll have no problem on finding loads of forum usernames of the tens/hundreds of those 80 points would be enough?

 

You're going to look even more of a tool if West Ham somehow contrive to lose their last 3 games.

 

Edit - just looked at the second thread linked above. Only one person suggested 80 points would be enough, another suggested 80-85 would be enough, and a few others suggested a minimum of 84/85 points. The first poster to be unpleasant? CB Fry.

 

One. Forget that link, there were other threads, specifically about the debate of "we only need to beat the average points for third". I never said it was lots of people, it was some. Brigade is a funny word though. So is lunatic. One of the lunatic brigade was my favourite pet div Matthew Le God. There are others.

 

Two. Being that the team in second already have 82 points, it is impossible for me to be wrong. If West Ham do lose the next three games then I can guarantee the "brigade" will all weasel out of the woodwork with their ridiculous assertion that "well we only needed 80 points after all, all the other points turned out to be unnessessary". Wrong, wrong, wrong. The fact they won't say anything now is the point.

 

Three. It was wrong many weeks ago, because it was always wrong. There are people saying that 80 points is enough pretty much every season, when in truth it has been enough once in a decade - ie hardly ever at all. It's not about hindsight, or what Reading have done. It was wrong then and still wrong now and will be wrong next season too, where the same people will make the same cock-eyed assertion based on the performance of the third place team.

 

Anyway. I've finished on this thread, just a bit of dicking about on my part. I'd love it if WHU do lose their next three, but mainly because it will mean we're promoted.

Edited 14 April, 2012 by CB Fry

[anothersaintinsouthsea]

One. Forget that link, there were other threads, specifically about the debate of "we only need to beat the average points for third". I never said it was lots of people, it was some. Brigade is a funny word though. So is lunatic. One of the lunatic brigade was my favourite pet div Matthew Le God. There are others.

 

So it wasn't lots, just some. Not a brigade then? Calling someone a "pet div", nice, just don't moan about people being abusive to you.

 

Two. Being that the team in second already have 82 points, it is impossible for me to be wrong. If West Ham do lose the next three games then I can guarantee the "brigade" will all weasel out of the woodwork with their ridiculous assertion that "well we only needed 80 points after all, all the other points turned out to be unnessessary". Wrong, wrong, wrong. The fact they won't say anything now is the point.

 

Given that Saints ARE the team in second, if West Ham finish on 79 points in third then 80 points would have been enough for Saints to have finished second ahead of them. Non?

 

 

Three. It was wrong many weeks ago, because it was always wrong. There are people saying that 80 points is enough pretty much every season, when in truth it has been enough once in a decade - ie hardly ever at all. It's not about hindsight, or what Reading have done. It was wrong then and still wrong now and will be wrong next season too, where the same people will make the same cock-eyed assertion based on the performance of the third place team.

 

not exactly the stuff of "lunatic" proportions though is it?

Edited 14 April, 2012 by anothersaintinsouthsea

[alpine_saint]

Given that Saints ARE the team in second, if West Ham finish on 79 points then 80 points would have been enough for Saints to have finished ahead of them. Non?

 

Absolutely daft comment.

[The Kraken]

Given that Saints ARE the team in second, if West Ham finish on 79 points then 80 points would have been enough for Saints to have finished ahead of them. Non?

 

After all this, you still don't understand it?

 

It's not exactly complex mathematics.

[anothersaintinsouthsea]

After all this, you still don't understand it?

 

It's not exactly complex mathematics.

 

I do get it thanks. If for example you're running in a race and you over take the guy in third then you become the person in third and so still need to overtake one more peson to get second and another after that to get first. If however you are already running in second place then you only need to finish ahead of the guy who finishes third. Do you get it now?

[anothersaintinsouthsea]

Absolutely daft comment.

 

What that West Ham might finish on 79 points? yes, completely agree.

[David Strover]

Having read some of the comments on here and other threads I really genuinely believe there are several posters on here that will be very happy if Saints fail.

 

I see no difference between the deliriously optimistic (I don't like the expression happy-clappy) and those that absolutely love to rub our faces in poor results and performances and the possibilities of failure - like no one on this Forum is aware of any of it and need it explained all the friggin' time continuously.

 

We are not all 'idiot children'.

 

When I'm sat next to a ticking bomb I am well aware of what may happen.

[alpine_saint]

Having read some of the comments on here and other threads I really genuinely believe there are several posters on here that will be very happy if Saints fail.

 

 

Paranoia.

[CB Fry]

So it wasn't lots, just some. Not a brigade then? Calling someone a "pet div", nice, just don't moan about people being abusive to you

 

 

Given that Saints ARE the team in second, if West Ham finish on 79 points in third then 80 points would have been enough for Saints to have finished second ahead of them. Non?

 

 

Welcome to the brigade. Waiting until the season ends, seeing what the team in third got and then adding the bare minimum to it is the idiocy this fred is all about.

 

Its nonsense that only works in hindsight.

 

Maybe, juuuuuuuust maybe, a more sensible way to look at it is to see what the teams in second place (Yeah, second place, nuts I know) actually get and use that as a benchmark.

 

That's what us non lunatics have been doing all season. Why not join is?

[CB Fry]

Having read some of the comments on here and other threads I really genuinely believe there are several posters on here that will be very happy if Saints fail.

 

 

How you divine that from this thread I will never know. No one on here is talking about whether we will or won't get promoted. It's a thread targeted people with a very poor grasp on how to interpret and draw conclusions from simple sets of data.

 

If anything, its an entirely intentional diversion away from the bigger issue that frankly we can't control.

[Fan The Flames]

Is it f**k.

 

It was was a direct quote from our resident genius CB Fry.

 

 

Reconcile yourself to the fact that if you disagree with the flock of sheep you never get a fair hearing or consideration. I did long ago.

 

Maybe you are too precious for message boards have you thought of doing something else with your time.

 

CB Fry must be some sort of sad individual if he needs to boost his sense of worth on here and Alpine is a complete victim.

[CB Fry]

It was was a direct quote from our resident genius CB Fry.

 

Is it? Do show.

[anothersaintinsouthsea]

Welcome to the brigade. Waiting until the season ends, seeing what the team in third got and then adding the bare minimum to it is the idiocy this fred is all about.

 

Its nonsense that only works in hindsight.

 

Maybe, juuuuuuuust maybe, a more sensible way to look at it is to see what the teams in second place (Yeah, second place, nuts I know) actually get and use that as a benchmark.

 

That's what us non lunatics have been doing all season. Why not join is?

 

Wow you're boring. I realise that proving someone wrong about the logic of statistics a few months ago was one of your proudest moments in your life but I think it is time you gave it a rest.

 

I'm not part of any brigade. The fact is that Saints are in second and just have to better West Ham at the end of the season. Maybe juuuuuuuust maybe a more sensible way to go is to ignore prior seasons points totals because they have **** all influence on the outcomes of the next 3 matches. Depending on how they do West Ham can finish on anything from 79 to 88 points. So Saints could lose every match and still go up but realistically need to get more than 85 imo.