Thedelldays Posted 14 April, 2012 Share Posted 14 April, 2012 Look. He is a cracking talent But if he wants to become more than a top end championship player, he needs to sort out his final ball on a more consistent level. His chooses too many touches too many times. And his shooting for such a talent is hideous He needs to up his game IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreeSixty Posted 14 April, 2012 Share Posted 14 April, 2012 Think the Messi song has gone to his head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 14 April, 2012 Author Share Posted 14 April, 2012 The chance when he was clean through against pompey summed him up Brilliant turn, brilliant touch....then another touch. Then another touch. Chance gone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 14 April, 2012 Share Posted 14 April, 2012 Look. He is a cracking talent But if he wants to become more than a top end championship player, he needs to sort out his final ball on a more consistent level. His chooses too many touches too many times. And his shooting for such a talent is hideous He needs to up his game IMO Agree totally. Didn't like the diving vs pompey too. West ham away was very good but flatters to deceive and went missing second half. Those who say he's as good as lambert are deluded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadgerBadger Posted 14 April, 2012 Share Posted 14 April, 2012 Look. He is a cracking talent But if he wants to become more than a top end championship player, he needs to sort out his final ball on a more consistent level. His chooses too many touches too many times. And his shooting for such a talent is hideous He needs to up his game IMO man alive, it's generally his extra touch that get's us a goal - I'll grant you that there's more to come from his development but he'll get no criticism from me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 14 April, 2012 Share Posted 14 April, 2012 I agree with all of TDDs comments. Imo hes not going to make it at the highest level. His play is too fussy, too hectic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gandalf Posted 14 April, 2012 Share Posted 14 April, 2012 I sit in the kingsland/Northam corner and see first hand his attacking play down the left. There were times last night when he could have delivered a first ball in but as said above he wastes the opportunity by taking one turn too many. Frustrating at times brilliant at others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 14 April, 2012 Share Posted 14 April, 2012 Just posted on post match thread applies to AL i am afraid disappointed last night, still this morning. we played well and difference between sides was small main difference imo was about first touch, we always seemed to want that extra touch when attacking whereas Reading for first 2 goals were about. one touch Kebe hard fast cross, Roberts just needs to put head on it second goal pulled back Le Fondre hit hard first time. at the real top level it is about small differences Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 14 April, 2012 Share Posted 14 April, 2012 He is still not playing anywhere near the level he was earlier in the season. Personally, I think he's still feeling the effects of the injury. He's half a yard slower. He's still the best creative players in this league. When Rickie Lambert tells you he was stunned that Adam didn't win player of the season and he won it instead, it tells you all you need to know about what people who know their subject think about him. He hasn't been at his best since Christmas in my view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obelisk Posted 14 April, 2012 Share Posted 14 April, 2012 He hasn't been at his best since Christmas in my view.The whole team performance has been somewhat lacking since November. Admittedly we're still in the sort of position I'd have dreamed of at the start of the season but after the performances up 'til that time I'm somewhat disappointed to not already be celebrating promotion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 14 April, 2012 Share Posted 14 April, 2012 The whole team performance has been somewhat lacking since November. Admittedly we're still in the sort of position I'd have dreamed of at the start of the season but after the performances up 'til that time I'm somewhat disappointed to not already be celebrating promotion. Yep, at the end of November I genuinely thought we would be crowned champions in late March! But that's injuries for you - we missed Rickie badly. And Lallana at his best. And the Chaplow of early season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 14 April, 2012 Share Posted 14 April, 2012 He is still not playing anywhere near the level he was earlier in the season. Personally, I think he's still feeling the effects of the injury. He's half a yard slower. He's still the best creative players in this league. When Rickie Lambert tells you he was stunned that Adam didn't win player of the season and he won it instead, it tells you all you need to know about what people who know their subject think about him. He hasn't been at his best since Christmas in my view. That's not true that he hasn't been at his best since Xmas. Adams season has been like this. Very good in August and September and half of oct. got injured and then was pants nov and dec and jan. played well feb and match and been rubbish last month. Rickie was just being humble. I feel that Lallana was llucky to even be in short list for player of year this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 14 April, 2012 Share Posted 14 April, 2012 Yep, at the end of November I genuinely thought we would be crowned champions in late March! But that's injuries for you - we missed Rickie badly. And Lallana at his best. And the Chaplow of early season. Also Chaplow has probably played well for 2 months in 2 years for us, so don't include him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 14 April, 2012 Share Posted 14 April, 2012 That's not true that he hasn't been at his best since Xmas. Adams season has been like this. Very good in August and September and half of oct. got injured and then was pants nov and dec and jan. played well feb and match and been rubbish last month. Rickie was just being humble. I feel that Lallana was llucky to even be in short list for player of year this year. Lucky to be voted by all his fellow professionals... Blimey. Reading aren't lucky but Lallana is, thank God I'm not a gambler. I can't cope with all this 'chance'! Oh hang on, I am a gambler with 14/1 each way about us winning the league, which is irritating this morning as it was going to pay for my season ticket... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 14 April, 2012 Share Posted 14 April, 2012 I agree with all of TDDs comments. Imo hes not going to make it at the highest level. His play is too fussy, too hectic. There you go again with a stupid response. You can't say something like that just because he's had a couple of iffy displays, he will be fine in the premiership and you will be made to look silly once again. FWIW I still think alot of our good play comes via him, he's the player that they're frightened off and you could see them back off him on numerous occasions, as TDD rightly pointed out his end product isn't quite there at the moment - whether it's a shot, or a pass. But his overall performances and drive are top notch, you cannot fault that. At the end of the day he has 12 goals from midfield this year, this is just one of those spells a player goes through - but we all know he does have the final product when he's really on his game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Diamond Posted 14 April, 2012 Share Posted 14 April, 2012 Very much agree and have been saying it for months now. First notable occasion was against Cardiff, could have scored easily but nope, another touch, why not, oh the chance has gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 14 April, 2012 Share Posted 14 April, 2012 There you go again with a stupid response. You can't say something like that just because he's had a couple of iffy displays, he will be fine in the premiership and you will be made to look silly once again. FWIW I still think alot of our good play comes via him, he's the player that they're frightened off and you could see them back off him on numerous occasions, as TDD rightly pointed out his end product isn't quite there at the moment - whether it's a shot, or a pass. But his overall performances and drive are top notch, you cannot fault that. At the end of the day he has 12 goals from midfield this year, this is just one of those spells a player goes through - but we all know he does have the final product when he's really on his game. Not sure I agree s-Clarke. He's had a lot of poor performances this season IMO. Lamberts the player they are scared of trust me.hes not being given so much time on ball and his extra touches and lack of final ball are being shown up. Good player but just not sure if he can make it in prem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webby Posted 14 April, 2012 Share Posted 14 April, 2012 Lallana's play does need to be more efficient. He'll learn if coached correctly but I don't think he's quick enough in the head. As I've said before, if he was half a second quicker in making decisions, he'd be great. He really, really needs to work on that. It's all about the choices you make when you're on the ball. He should watch giggs, almost always makes the best choice of pass or play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsland Red Posted 14 April, 2012 Share Posted 14 April, 2012 Recently he has released the ball too early when in a good central position. I would like to see him travel for a further ten yards with the ball , attacking the centre backs and get a shot away, from closer; go around the keeper; or get a penalty. He's easily got the ability to do this. Instead he is always looking to pass to a person in a worse position than him, ie. wider. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric The Red Posted 14 April, 2012 Share Posted 14 April, 2012 Lallana's always going to be the sort of player who is brilliant one minute, frustrating the next. As long as the brilliant bits keep coming that's fine by me. The really BIG failing is not scoring enough goals. He has/makes himself enough chances to score as many as Rickie and his failure to score in the last two home games may be the difference between being Champions and also rans this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonjoe Posted 14 April, 2012 Share Posted 14 April, 2012 I've been saying to mates at games for a while now that it's his decision making which seems to have deserted him. He just seems to end up making the wrong decision too often, whether it be one turn too many etc or something else. He's still an immense talent but I wonder if the pressure is affecting him. Perhaps he just needs to be more impulsive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 14 April, 2012 Share Posted 14 April, 2012 IMO Lallana is better when Connolly plays...are we missing him ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Lej Posted 14 April, 2012 Share Posted 14 April, 2012 At times v the skates and last nights early ball in could have result in Ricky getting on the end of it early doors, problem last night from both AL and SD was the early ball in the box, catch them on the back foot, let's not give their centre Halfs time to set! When who have a player like Lambert you have got to get crosses in! AL is a huge talent and will only get better, let's hope the gaffer gets hold of him in the week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 14 April, 2012 Share Posted 14 April, 2012 I agree with all of TDDs comments. Imo hes not going to make it at the highest level. His play is too fussy, too hectic. Hahahahahaha..... FFS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 14 April, 2012 Share Posted 14 April, 2012 Agree totally. Didn't like the diving vs pompey too. West ham away was very good but flatters to deceive and went missing second half. Those who say he's as good as lambert are deluded. Two completely different types of player, how can you even begin to compare ? I would rather Lambert's shooting and heading but I'd much rather Lallana's touch and ball skills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 14 April, 2012 Share Posted 14 April, 2012 Lallana's play does need to be more efficient. He'll learn if coached correctly but I don't think he's quick enough in the head. As I've said before, if he was half a second quicker in making decisions, he'd be great. He really, really needs to work on that. It's all about the choices you make when you're on the ball. He should watch giggs, almost always makes the best choice of pass or play. You're bonkers, Lallana's thinking, feet and dummy selling are rapid - he only delays passes in order to create space or go past players and he reacts faster than all but the very top players in the Championship (Prem standards are a different matter). If anything it's the accuracy of his through balls that needs the work (along with his finishing and especially heading) - but there's nothing wrong with his speed of thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmore Posted 14 April, 2012 Share Posted 14 April, 2012 I agree with all of TDDs comments. Imo hes not going to make it at the highest level. His play is too fussy, too hectic. You don't half spout some absolute rubbish. Have you seen him play? Shortlisted as player of the season, but what do football experts know eh? Best just ask Alpine Saint seeing as he watches so much live football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webby Posted 14 April, 2012 Share Posted 14 April, 2012 You're bonkers, Lallana's thinking, feet and dummy selling are rapid - he only delays passes in order to create space or go past players and he reacts faster than all but the very top players in the Championship (Prem standards are a different matter). If anything it's the accuracy of his through balls that needs the work (along with his finishing and especially heading) - but there's nothing wrong with his speed of thought.Well we can disagree, but perhaps it's down to the options available to him when he's on the ball that's the problem, I don't know. One more thing. I'd like to see what he could do on the right hand side. I know he drifts around a bit but he's doesn't really play down the right. Might be worth mixing it up a bit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 14 April, 2012 Author Share Posted 14 April, 2012 I just want him to sort his shooting out.... not expecting goals every game..but the amount of shots he has, for his talent. his goals return is criminal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 14 April, 2012 Share Posted 14 April, 2012 I watched him closely in recent games (via Cable - together with the replays that you don't see )..there is no doubt in my mind that he IS a class player ALREADY. His undoubted skill.. that bit of arrogance on the ball, but I also agree that his final pass /shots are often sadly lacking. .SOMETIMES ..I think I even see shades of ..MLT....but without that special touch, the goal-out-of-nothing style. Perhaps Matt could give him a few tips? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 14 April, 2012 Share Posted 14 April, 2012 Well we can disagree, but perhaps it's down to the options available to him when he's on the ball that's the problem, I don't know. One more thing. I'd like to see what he could do on the right hand side. I know he drifts around a bit but he's doesn't really play down the right. Might be worth mixing it up a bit? I agree to a point it's options, but that's because Lambert isn't an on the shoulder player, Sharp, Lee and Connolly all are, but if they're not available he's got the skill to hold play up and keep the ball in attacking positions. He's played on the right before, even made his debut there, but consider how few regular left-side options we have (Lallana, Lee?, Schneiderlin ? Fox?) compared to the plethora of right-side players (Guly, Puncheon, De Ridder, Chaplow). Makes sense to play him mostly on the left cutting in on his "bending" foot as we have plenty who can use a ball down the right but can't do that on the left - though Puncheon on the narrow left did well for Millwall and I think that's his best position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brussels Saint Posted 14 April, 2012 Share Posted 14 April, 2012 Lallana is an excellent player, but for me he needs to play with more ego. He needs to be the player that other fans cannot stand, but honestly every fan from other clubs have nothing but good things to say about him. Too nice a guy on the pitch and it detracts from his effectiveness. I seriously wish he was more of a c*** and spent his time demanding the ball as he has a burning desire to make the player marking him look like an arse. To me he comes across as a guy who just enjoys playing football rather than being better than everyone else. If he was a horrible little sh*t I think he would have a greater impact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 14 April, 2012 Share Posted 14 April, 2012 (edited) I just want him to sort his shooting out.... not expecting goals every game..but the amount of shots he has, for his talent. his goals return is criminal I think that's fair comment and suspect it's to do with his style - he sort of "leaps" into the ball when he controls and is very light and agile when he sells dummies, and that's not an effective way of transferring energy to the ball for a powerful shot. You need a firm planted base to get the resistance for a decent shot, Lallana's usually floating around. He's still loads better at it than Cork though, now there's a bloke who can't shoot at all ! Edited 14 April, 2012 by The9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 14 April, 2012 Share Posted 14 April, 2012 Lallana is an excellent player, but for me he needs to play with more ego. He needs to be the player that other fans cannot stand, but honestly every fan from other clubs have nothing but good things to say about him. Too nice a guy on the pitch and it detracts from his effectiveness. I seriously wish he was more of a c*** and spent his time demanding the ball as he has a burning desire to make the player marking him look like an arse. To me he comes across as a guy who just enjoys playing football rather than being better than everyone else. If he was a horrible little sh*t I think he would have a greater impact. I don't agree at all. I think spending his time clattering people would detract from his abilities. He's skilful and effective most of the time, that's just not part of his game and doesn't need to be. As for ego, I'm sure he's loving turning players inside out and knowing he's better than them - it would more than satisfy my ego, f'sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericb Posted 14 April, 2012 Share Posted 14 April, 2012 I agree with all of TDDs comments. Imo hes not going to make it at the highest level. His play is too fussy, too hectic. Honest question here alpine, but how can you make comment like that when you don't watch the game? In my experience the radio commentary only gives you a tiny fraction of what's going on and there's no way you can tell a player via radio and tv appearances alone (unless it's man u/chelsea/barca who are on every week). For the record i do think he needs to learn to release earlier but he's still young and he's obviously desperate to make it happen, hence the extra touches. Give the lad some time and i'm sure he'll premiership standard, not a world better for sure but still very good at that level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 14 April, 2012 Share Posted 14 April, 2012 Honest question here alpine, but how can you make comment like that when you don't watch the game? In my experience the radio commentary only gives you a tiny fraction of what's going on and there's no way you can tell a player via radio and tv appearances alone (unless it's man u/chelsea/barca who are on every week). For the record i do think he needs to learn to release earlier but he's still young and he's obviously desperate to make it happen, hence the extra touches. Give the lad some time and i'm sure he'll premiership standard, not a world better for sure but still very good at that level. eric, please dont jump on the TSW bandwagon. I go to games whenever I am back in the UK, and watch Saints often on feeds and the Austrian subscription channel Sport Digital (which mirrors Skys Championship coverage) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 14 April, 2012 Share Posted 14 April, 2012 I actually thought he was going to be just physically too slow in the Championship to be able to make space for himself, have been delighted to be proven wrong on that one, his touch and ability to move the ball past people is fantastic by any standard and it more than compensates for his lack of De Ridder style "knock and run" pace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericb Posted 14 April, 2012 Share Posted 14 April, 2012 erci, please dont jump on the TSW bandwagon. I go to games whenever I am back in the UK, and watch Saints often on feeds and the Austrian subscription channel Sport Digital (which mirrors Skys Championship coverage) Ah fair enough, was just wondering if it was based on radio really since i don't think it's a good way of judging. You have to admit though he really is a cut above most in this league, he just needs to learn a bit more directness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 14 April, 2012 Share Posted 14 April, 2012 Ah fair enough, was just wondering if it was based on radio really since i don't think it's a good way of judging. You have to admit though he really is a cut above most in this league, he just needs to learn a bit more directness. He has the ability to be our next MLT, but I am not sure he will take it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_DB Posted 14 April, 2012 Share Posted 14 April, 2012 Did anyone here see his audacious chip over Federici? If that went in it would have been a carbon copy of MLT v Man United, and we wouldn't be having this debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 14 April, 2012 Author Share Posted 14 April, 2012 Did anyone here see his audacious chip over Federici? If that went in it would have been a carbon copy of MLT v Man United, and we wouldn't be having this debate. but it never and it was a cross Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 14 April, 2012 Share Posted 14 April, 2012 Did anyone here see his audacious chip over Federici? If that went in it would have been a carbon copy of MLT v Man United, and we wouldn't be having this debate. It was a cross, if you watch he even apologies for it. He messed it up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 15 April, 2012 Share Posted 15 April, 2012 I'm more concerned about his finishing, which I suppose you could call his 'final ball'. That header he contrived to put wide at 1-1 might well come back to haunt us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modern matron Posted 15 April, 2012 Share Posted 15 April, 2012 Hoiw bloody ridiculous! Only Saints fans could write this crap he's arguably the best player in the league and really just to criticise about his "final ball" is daft! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEVMAN Posted 15 April, 2012 Share Posted 15 April, 2012 Hoiw bloody ridiculous! Only Saints fans could write this crap he's arguably the best player in the league and really just to criticise about his "final ball" is daft!Im afraid your asking for trouble with a comment like that on this forum (wait for it) lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 15 April, 2012 Share Posted 15 April, 2012 This thread is right down there with the Jose Fonte thread. Jeez! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 15 April, 2012 Share Posted 15 April, 2012 (edited) Some of my fellow posters are idiots of the first degree..Fluuuucking winkers.... Some idiots just have not a clue.... Some of the so called experts will call it debate...waste of space some of you so called Saints supporters.. What pleases some of you must be akin to knitting circles.. For a long time I have suspected some of you do not attend Saints games or even support Saints.. WIFM By the way do not ask me to debate with you....I am off to knitting classes to see what some of you really do when Saints are playing some of the best football I have seen for a long time...with some of the best players seen in a Saints shirt... Adam Lallana being up there with some of the Saints greats...Who told me that.....My instructor at sewing classes:rolleyes: Sorry if I have upset any posters whilst giving my opinion... Thought not... Edited 15 April, 2012 by ottery st mary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEVMAN Posted 15 April, 2012 Share Posted 15 April, 2012 Great post but just remove the bit about AL being a Saints great to be on the safe side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 15 April, 2012 Author Share Posted 15 April, 2012 Hoiw bloody ridiculous! Only Saints fans could write this crap he's arguably the best player in the league and really just to criticise about his "final ball" is daft! When was the last time he set a goal up? How many times has he scored the winner? He is a cracking player but compare his talent to his shooting, it is criminal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 15 April, 2012 Share Posted 15 April, 2012 Great post but just remove the bit about AL being a Saints great to be on the safe side. I have had time to think about it...... and my Aunt Florrie is right .. as she is about most of her footballers... Adam Lallana is up there with some of the greats who have worn a Saints shirt..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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