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Super_Saint

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Another thread on here got me thinking about our previous team that nearly got promoted to the Premier League. The year we lost out in the play-offs.

 

Just for fun, how do you think our current squad compares?

 

Davis

Baird Lundekvam Pele Bale

Skacel Wright Viafara Surman

Rasiak Jones

 

Manager: Burley

 

Davis

Richardson Fonte Hooiveld Fox

Chaplow Morgan Cork Lallana

Sharp Lambert

 

Manager: Adkins

 

I would take Bale, Baird and Surman. Not saying I'd play Surman over Lallana, but I'm sure he could slot in somewhere. Looking back now, it seems like it was a blessing in disguise that we didn't go up.

Sour Mash

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Jones would get in the side ahead of Sharp.

Bale ahead of Fox

Baird ahead of Frazer / Butterfield

 

Also Belmadi & Sag would be a useful squad players.

Lundekvam as well possibly? Surman ahead of Cork. Not all that much in it really. Also need to do a comparison against the teams we were playing against that season.
Thedelldays

Thedelldays

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Lundekvam as well possibly? Surman ahead of Cork. Not all that much in it really. Also need to do a comparison against the teams we were playing against that season.

I would say that it was a harder league a few years back...not wanted to give burley any excuse...the mug

Lord Duckhunter

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No comparison to now. We have a far better side.

 

I like Baird, particulary at Centre half, but I would have him as a squad man now. Wouldn't want Surman anywhere near this side. Obviously Bale, would be in. Saga, when fighting for a contract would walk into our side, he was on fire. But, the Saga once he got a contract, would not touch with a barge pole. Same with Raisak, and Jones. I would not have played Claus again after the relegation season.

 

My mixture of the side (just comparing form from the particular season) would be.

 

Kelvin

 

Frazier

Jos

Fonte

Fox

 

Lallana

Cork

MS

Bale

 

Lambert

Saga

 

Bench

Bart (from that season)

Baird

Jones

Sharp

Viafara

 

 

 

 

 

Do disagree with the "nearly got to the Premiership" tag around the 06/07 team. We scrapped into the play offs and lost to the worst team in Premiership history.

alpine_saint

alpine_saint

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Another thread on here got me thinking about our previous team that nearly got promoted to the Premier League. The year we lost out in the play-offs.

 

Just for fun, how do you think our current squad compares?

 

Davis

Baird Lundekvam Pele Bale

Skacel Wright Viafara Surman

Rasiak Jones

 

Manager: Burley

 

Davis

Richardson Fonte Hooiveld Fox

Chaplow Morgan Cork Lallana

Sharp Lambert

 

Manager: Adkins

 

I would take Bale, Baird and Surman. Not saying I'd play Surman over Lallana, but I'm sure he could slot in somewhere. Looking back now, it seems like it was a blessing in disguise that we didn't go up.

 

Wings were stronger then.

Central positions are stronger now.

Up front is a dead heat.

 

As someone elses has said, the essential differences are in the management.

alpine_saint

alpine_saint

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Do disagree with the "nearly got to the Premiership" tag around the 06/07 team. We scrapped into the play offs and lost to the worst team in Premiership history.

 

This.

 

We neglected our best striker for the second half of the season, never tried to break into the top 2, and in the playoff we left the worst player, who was having a 'mare, on the pitch on to take the first peno.

Super_Saint

Super_Saint

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Do disagree with the "nearly got to the Premiership" tag around the 06/07 team. We scrapped into the play offs and lost to the worst team in Premiership history.

 

Well it is the closest we've got since relegation from the PL, we were only a penalty shoot-out and a win away from it. But that's why I think it was a blessing in disguise that we didn't go up, seeing as Derby embarrassed themselves.

stu0x

stu0x

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With the obvious exception of Bale, I wouldn't put any of the older team into the starting 11. Many of them would strengthen the bench/squad.

 

History is always rose-tinted with football. A direct comparison of the facts is pretty telling.

 

Now: we have the bulk of a League One team. We have dominated throughout the season, never being outside the automatic promotion places (has that ever even happened before?) We go into every game expecting a result, and we are pretty disappointed when we don't get one.

 

Then: we had the bulk of a Premiership side. We scrapped for most of the season and basically snuck into the playoffs, before falling at the first hurdle. We went into most games hoping for a result, and on many occasions were very pleased to get one.

Turkish

Turkish

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This.

 

We neglected our best striker for the second half of the season, never tried to break into the top 2, and in the playoff we left the worst player, who was having a 'mare, on the pitch on to take the first peno.

 

Seconded. With the money we spent we should have been pushing for top two. As it was Burnley was banging the "aiming for the top 6" drum all season and we scraped in largely because Preston imploded with 5 games to go. We were gallent losers to an awful Derby team. Not really almost making it IMO.

Thedelldays

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Seconded. With the money we spent we should have been pushing for top two. As it was Burnley was banging the "aiming for the top 6" drum all season and we scraped in largely because Preston imploded with 5 games to go. We were gallent losers to an awful Derby team. Not really almost making it IMO.

mental isn't it.......burley was all about 6th spot.

listen to nigel, he constantly goes on about the desire to be the best constantly

Sheaf Saint

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Do disagree with the "nearly got to the Premiership" tag around the 06/07 team. We scrapped into the play offs and lost to the worst team in Premiership history.

 

I was working with a lot of neutrals at the time (mostly Sheff Utd or Barnsley fans) and all of them, without exception, said they thought we were by far the better team in both of the games against Derby and really should have won. So although the records show we lost out to the team who went on to score the lowest ever PL points tally, the reality isn't as black and white as that.

Turkish

Turkish

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I was working with a lot of neutrals at the time (mostly Sheff Utd or Barnsley fans) and all of them, without exception, said they thought we were by far the better team in both of the games against Derby and really should have won. So although the records show we lost out to the team who went on to score the lowest ever PL points tally, the reality isn't as black and white as that.

 

We also failed to beat them in both regular league games as well. They finished 3rd (i think) we scraped 6th. Your mates might think we were better but the reality is we werent.

doddisalegend

doddisalegend

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I'd take Bale, Baird and Jones if they were on offer right now, the rest not so much....though I'm not sure Jones is the sort of team player NA looks for. I wonder what NC would do to a player who went on strike to engineer a move to another team...

Turkish

Turkish

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I'd take Bale, Baird and Jones if they were on offer right now, the rest not so much....though I'm not sure Jones is the sort of team player NA looks for. I wonder what NC would do to a player who went on strike to engineer a move to another team...

 

Forgive him and welcome him back, evidently.

Saints Fan Dan

Saints Fan Dan

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The outcome of that season probably worked out for the best but I'm still angry about it. I bought the dvd of that season a year or so ago for about 3 quid (you can still get them on play and amazon) and it's like watching another club. Should we go up this season I'll be able to watch the dvd again and just smile.

stu0x

stu0x

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the reality isn't as black and white as that.

The reality is as black and white as that I'm afraid. The end of season league table doesn't lie. Winners win. Losers whine about ifs buts and maybes. That year, and for a lot of recent history, we were a club of losers. Now we are winners. No comparison.

The9

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mental isn't it.......burley was all about 6th spot.

listen to nigel, he constantly goes on about the desire to be the best constantly

 

But we all know that he actually says nothing at all. In fact I don't remember him ever saying anything about being the best. Debrief, draw a blue line, go again, control controllables, be on a bus, yes. Nothing about being the best. He certainly didn't say we were aiming for above 6th...

 

...and frankly it makes absolutely no difference what the manager is saying to the media anyway provided it's not a negative attack on a player, for instance.

sandwichsaint

sandwichsaint

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looking at the OP who is 'wright' in CM?

 

time, tide, and red wine have all interfered with my faculties but I can't place this player.

 

the main diff is Adkins v Burley, not too much in it players-wise?

Lighthouse

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Davis (Mk 2 definitely)

 

Frazer - Jos - Baird - Bale

 

Lallana - Morgan - Surman - Skacel

 

Lambert - Saganowski

 

 

Subs: Fonte, Cork, Jones, Chaplow, Tadanari. Were we allowed 7 back then? If so I'd have Guthrie/Pele and Sharp too.

 

I reckon Adkins would have gotten so much more out of players like Saga, Skacel, Surman, Jones and Pele than Burley did.

SNSUN

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From the old team, I'd have the products of our youth academy in our current team, Baird, Bale and Drew, and perhaps Jhon in midfield. That's it. Our keeper now is miles better.

dubai_phil

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Jones would get in the side ahead of Sharp.

Bale ahead of Fox

Baird ahead of Frazer / Butterfield

 

Also Belmadi & Sag would be a useful squad players.

 

ORLY?

 

You would put the 06 Bale ahead of the current Fox?

 

Hmmm. He WAS good but he wasn't consistent and he wasn't as good a defender.

 

Kenwyne? Hmm many on here were ready to pay his taxi fare

Surman at RM is of course a no brainer, Baird v Butterfield probably Baird but against Richardson> Baird was a better blood & guts defender but not so useful going forwards. Think Surman & Richardson would have worked really well

SNSUN

SNSUN

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Can't remember him in CM much?

 

CM = Viafara, Pele, Belmadi, Idiakez ..... mainly(?) .......... I could be wrong ...... !

 

Played right back a lot. He was to Saints forums what Pulis/Forecast/Guly has been since.

mitch01

mitch01

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We used to dominate game after game with that team but it didn't have a mean streak. Baird, Surman, Bale and Jones were, and are still, very good players.

 

Also worth noting that Davis of 11/12 is much better than 06/07.

Wiggles31

Wiggles31

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That team would have been destroyed in the PL with that drunk.

 

The team now is a million better than that. Plus we have one thing money can't buy TEAM SPIRIT. That 06/07 team had none of it due to Burley (worst Saints manager in recent history).

beavis17

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I asked Kelvin this question a couple of weeks ago and he said that the 06/07 side had better individuals (Bale etc) but the current side has a better team spirit and togetherness.

Nigel=God-Poyet=Sod

Nigel=God-Poyet=Sod

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Obviously Bale would play now but not as a left back. Can't defend at all but obviously a talented winger. Fonte and Jos seem to have the centre back understanding and partnership that Claus and Killer Svensson had under Strachan. I think management is the key though. Adkins has got us the team spirit needed to do well in this division, Burley had a team of individuals that looked like individuals which showed by how many moved onto other clubs.

sotonjoe

sotonjoe

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I think we spent £8m preseason in our failed playoff season and spending like that is well above the Championship norm (or was back then anyway), so it should have been enough to take us up. Money should buy you success if you know how to spend it and then know how to get the best out of the talent you purchase.

 

Who would I like in our squad now? Baird for one. I thought Lundekvam was over the hill by then so don't think he'd have anything to offer. Surman, Bale and Jones are all players who have gone on to cut it in the Premiership to differing degrees so could surely do a job at our current level.

alpine_saint

alpine_saint

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That 06/07 team had none of it due to Burley (worst Saints manager in recent history).

 

You have no idea how bemusing it is to read others posting that now, considering the utter, utter crap I used to get for saying that and saying that we could find and deserved better.

Lazlo78

Lazlo78

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Played right back a lot. He was to Saints forums what Pulis/Forecast/Guly has been since.

 

He took over from Telfer in more than one way, if I recall correctly...

Turkish

Turkish

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I thought he was decent at RB to be honest. No pace about him but pretty solid defensively and could pick out a decent pass.

 

Shh Super Mikey, we've already establish you know FA about football. Stick to talking about question time on the lounge.

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