Super_Saint Posted 11 April, 2012 Share Posted 11 April, 2012 Another thread on here got me thinking about our previous team that nearly got promoted to the Premier League. The year we lost out in the play-offs. Just for fun, how do you think our current squad compares? Davis Baird Lundekvam Pele Bale Skacel Wright Viafara Surman Rasiak Jones Manager: Burley Davis Richardson Fonte Hooiveld Fox Chaplow Morgan Cork Lallana Sharp Lambert Manager: Adkins I would take Bale, Baird and Surman. Not saying I'd play Surman over Lallana, but I'm sure he could slot in somewhere. Looking back now, it seems like it was a blessing in disguise that we didn't go up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 11 April, 2012 Share Posted 11 April, 2012 The key difference... 2006/07 Manager: Burley 2011/12 Chairman: Cortese Manager: Adkins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 11 April, 2012 Share Posted 11 April, 2012 Jones would get in the side ahead of Sharp. Bale ahead of Fox Baird ahead of Frazer / Butterfield Also Belmadi & Sag would be a useful squad players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 11 April, 2012 Share Posted 11 April, 2012 Jones would get in the side ahead of Sharp. Bale ahead of Fox Baird ahead of Frazer / Butterfield Also Belmadi & Sag would be a useful squad players. Lundekvam as well possibly? Surman ahead of Cork. Not all that much in it really. Also need to do a comparison against the teams we were playing against that season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 11 April, 2012 Share Posted 11 April, 2012 Lundekvam as well possibly? Surman ahead of Cork. Not all that much in it really. Also need to do a comparison against the teams we were playing against that season. I would say that it was a harder league a few years back...not wanted to give burley any excuse...the mug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 11 April, 2012 Share Posted 11 April, 2012 No comparison to now. We have a far better side. I like Baird, particulary at Centre half, but I would have him as a squad man now. Wouldn't want Surman anywhere near this side. Obviously Bale, would be in. Saga, when fighting for a contract would walk into our side, he was on fire. But, the Saga once he got a contract, would not touch with a barge pole. Same with Raisak, and Jones. I would not have played Claus again after the relegation season. My mixture of the side (just comparing form from the particular season) would be. Kelvin Frazier Jos Fonte Fox Lallana Cork MS Bale Lambert Saga Bench Bart (from that season) Baird Jones Sharp Viafara Do disagree with the "nearly got to the Premiership" tag around the 06/07 team. We scrapped into the play offs and lost to the worst team in Premiership history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 11 April, 2012 Share Posted 11 April, 2012 Another thread on here got me thinking about our previous team that nearly got promoted to the Premier League. The year we lost out in the play-offs. Just for fun, how do you think our current squad compares? Davis Baird Lundekvam Pele Bale Skacel Wright Viafara Surman Rasiak Jones Manager: Burley Davis Richardson Fonte Hooiveld Fox Chaplow Morgan Cork Lallana Sharp Lambert Manager: Adkins I would take Bale, Baird and Surman. Not saying I'd play Surman over Lallana, but I'm sure he could slot in somewhere. Looking back now, it seems like it was a blessing in disguise that we didn't go up. Wings were stronger then. Central positions are stronger now. Up front is a dead heat. As someone elses has said, the essential differences are in the management. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 11 April, 2012 Share Posted 11 April, 2012 Do disagree with the "nearly got to the Premiership" tag around the 06/07 team. We scrapped into the play offs and lost to the worst team in Premiership history. This. We neglected our best striker for the second half of the season, never tried to break into the top 2, and in the playoff we left the worst player, who was having a 'mare, on the pitch on to take the first peno. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super_Saint Posted 11 April, 2012 Author Share Posted 11 April, 2012 Do disagree with the "nearly got to the Premiership" tag around the 06/07 team. We scrapped into the play offs and lost to the worst team in Premiership history. Well it is the closest we've got since relegation from the PL, we were only a penalty shoot-out and a win away from it. But that's why I think it was a blessing in disguise that we didn't go up, seeing as Derby embarrassed themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stu0x Posted 11 April, 2012 Share Posted 11 April, 2012 With the obvious exception of Bale, I wouldn't put any of the older team into the starting 11. Many of them would strengthen the bench/squad. History is always rose-tinted with football. A direct comparison of the facts is pretty telling. Now: we have the bulk of a League One team. We have dominated throughout the season, never being outside the automatic promotion places (has that ever even happened before?) We go into every game expecting a result, and we are pretty disappointed when we don't get one. Then: we had the bulk of a Premiership side. We scrapped for most of the season and basically snuck into the playoffs, before falling at the first hurdle. We went into most games hoping for a result, and on many occasions were very pleased to get one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 11 April, 2012 Share Posted 11 April, 2012 We were only a shirt-tug away from Wembley. Seems like a lifetime ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 11 April, 2012 Share Posted 11 April, 2012 This. We neglected our best striker for the second half of the season, never tried to break into the top 2, and in the playoff we left the worst player, who was having a 'mare, on the pitch on to take the first peno. Seconded. With the money we spent we should have been pushing for top two. As it was Burnley was banging the "aiming for the top 6" drum all season and we scraped in largely because Preston imploded with 5 games to go. We were gallent losers to an awful Derby team. Not really almost making it IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 11 April, 2012 Share Posted 11 April, 2012 Seconded. With the money we spent we should have been pushing for top two. As it was Burnley was banging the "aiming for the top 6" drum all season and we scraped in largely because Preston imploded with 5 games to go. We were gallent losers to an awful Derby team. Not really almost making it IMO. mental isn't it.......burley was all about 6th spot. listen to nigel, he constantly goes on about the desire to be the best constantly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 11 April, 2012 Share Posted 11 April, 2012 Arguably had better options off the bench back then...Saga MK 2006/07, Guthrie, Dyer, Belmadi, Best to name a few. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rasiak-9- Posted 11 April, 2012 Share Posted 11 April, 2012 I actually rated our team very highly and considered failure to go up a chronic underachievement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 11 April, 2012 Share Posted 11 April, 2012 Do disagree with the "nearly got to the Premiership" tag around the 06/07 team. We scrapped into the play offs and lost to the worst team in Premiership history. I was working with a lot of neutrals at the time (mostly Sheff Utd or Barnsley fans) and all of them, without exception, said they thought we were by far the better team in both of the games against Derby and really should have won. So although the records show we lost out to the team who went on to score the lowest ever PL points tally, the reality isn't as black and white as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 11 April, 2012 Share Posted 11 April, 2012 I was working with a lot of neutrals at the time (mostly Sheff Utd or Barnsley fans) and all of them, without exception, said they thought we were by far the better team in both of the games against Derby and really should have won. So although the records show we lost out to the team who went on to score the lowest ever PL points tally, the reality isn't as black and white as that. We also failed to beat them in both regular league games as well. They finished 3rd (i think) we scraped 6th. Your mates might think we were better but the reality is we werent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 11 April, 2012 Share Posted 11 April, 2012 I'd take Bale, Baird and Jones if they were on offer right now, the rest not so much....though I'm not sure Jones is the sort of team player NA looks for. I wonder what NC would do to a player who went on strike to engineer a move to another team... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 11 April, 2012 Share Posted 11 April, 2012 I'd take Bale, Baird and Jones if they were on offer right now, the rest not so much....though I'm not sure Jones is the sort of team player NA looks for. I wonder what NC would do to a player who went on strike to engineer a move to another team... Forgive him and welcome him back, evidently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 11 April, 2012 Share Posted 11 April, 2012 Forgive him and welcome him back, evidently. Ahhh yes Puncheon was never sure if it was Jason who walked out on saints or saints that told Jason to sling his hook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints Fan Dan Posted 11 April, 2012 Share Posted 11 April, 2012 The outcome of that season probably worked out for the best but I'm still angry about it. I bought the dvd of that season a year or so ago for about 3 quid (you can still get them on play and amazon) and it's like watching another club. Should we go up this season I'll be able to watch the dvd again and just smile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 11 April, 2012 Share Posted 11 April, 2012 Hmmm, looking at that team how the hell didn't we go up as champions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stu0x Posted 11 April, 2012 Share Posted 11 April, 2012 the reality isn't as black and white as that. The reality is as black and white as that I'm afraid. The end of season league table doesn't lie. Winners win. Losers whine about ifs buts and maybes. That year, and for a lot of recent history, we were a club of losers. Now we are winners. No comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 11 April, 2012 Share Posted 11 April, 2012 mental isn't it.......burley was all about 6th spot. listen to nigel, he constantly goes on about the desire to be the best constantly But we all know that he actually says nothing at all. In fact I don't remember him ever saying anything about being the best. Debrief, draw a blue line, go again, control controllables, be on a bus, yes. Nothing about being the best. He certainly didn't say we were aiming for above 6th... ...and frankly it makes absolutely no difference what the manager is saying to the media anyway provided it's not a negative attack on a player, for instance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandwichsaint Posted 11 April, 2012 Share Posted 11 April, 2012 looking at the OP who is 'wright' in CM? time, tide, and red wine have all interfered with my faculties but I can't place this player. the main diff is Adkins v Burley, not too much in it players-wise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 11 April, 2012 Share Posted 11 April, 2012 Davis (Mk 2 definitely) Frazer - Jos - Baird - Bale Lallana - Morgan - Surman - Skacel Lambert - Saganowski Subs: Fonte, Cork, Jones, Chaplow, Tadanari. Were we allowed 7 back then? If so I'd have Guthrie/Pele and Sharp too. I reckon Adkins would have gotten so much more out of players like Saga, Skacel, Surman, Jones and Pele than Burley did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 11 April, 2012 Share Posted 11 April, 2012 From the old team, I'd have the products of our youth academy in our current team, Baird, Bale and Drew, and perhaps Jhon in midfield. That's it. Our keeper now is miles better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 11 April, 2012 Share Posted 11 April, 2012 Jones would get in the side ahead of Sharp. Bale ahead of Fox Baird ahead of Frazer / Butterfield Also Belmadi & Sag would be a useful squad players. ORLY? You would put the 06 Bale ahead of the current Fox? Hmmm. He WAS good but he wasn't consistent and he wasn't as good a defender. Kenwyne? Hmm many on here were ready to pay his taxi fare Surman at RM is of course a no brainer, Baird v Butterfield probably Baird but against Richardson> Baird was a better blood & guts defender but not so useful going forwards. Think Surman & Richardson would have worked really well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 11 April, 2012 Share Posted 11 April, 2012 looking at the OP who is 'wright' in CM? time, tide, and red wine have all interfered with my faculties but I can't place this player. Jermaine Wright Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandwichsaint Posted 11 April, 2012 Share Posted 11 April, 2012 Jermaine Wright Can't remember him in CM much? CM = Viafara, Pele, Belmadi, Idiakez ..... mainly(?) .......... I could be wrong ...... ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 11 April, 2012 Share Posted 11 April, 2012 Can't remember him in CM much? CM = Viafara, Pele, Belmadi, Idiakez ..... mainly(?) .......... I could be wrong ...... ! Played right back a lot. He was to Saints forums what Pulis/Forecast/Guly has been since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitch01 Posted 11 April, 2012 Share Posted 11 April, 2012 We used to dominate game after game with that team but it didn't have a mean streak. Baird, Surman, Bale and Jones were, and are still, very good players. Also worth noting that Davis of 11/12 is much better than 06/07. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggles31 Posted 11 April, 2012 Share Posted 11 April, 2012 That team would have been destroyed in the PL with that drunk. The team now is a million better than that. Plus we have one thing money can't buy TEAM SPIRIT. That 06/07 team had none of it due to Burley (worst Saints manager in recent history). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 12 April, 2012 Share Posted 12 April, 2012 Jermaine Wright I thought he was decent at RB to be honest. No pace about him but pretty solid defensively and could pick out a decent pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beavis17 Posted 12 April, 2012 Share Posted 12 April, 2012 I asked Kelvin this question a couple of weeks ago and he said that the 06/07 side had better individuals (Bale etc) but the current side has a better team spirit and togetherness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel=God-Poyet=Sod Posted 12 April, 2012 Share Posted 12 April, 2012 Obviously Bale would play now but not as a left back. Can't defend at all but obviously a talented winger. Fonte and Jos seem to have the centre back understanding and partnership that Claus and Killer Svensson had under Strachan. I think management is the key though. Adkins has got us the team spirit needed to do well in this division, Burley had a team of individuals that looked like individuals which showed by how many moved onto other clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonjoe Posted 12 April, 2012 Share Posted 12 April, 2012 I think we spent £8m preseason in our failed playoff season and spending like that is well above the Championship norm (or was back then anyway), so it should have been enough to take us up. Money should buy you success if you know how to spend it and then know how to get the best out of the talent you purchase. Who would I like in our squad now? Baird for one. I thought Lundekvam was over the hill by then so don't think he'd have anything to offer. Surman, Bale and Jones are all players who have gone on to cut it in the Premiership to differing degrees so could surely do a job at our current level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 12 April, 2012 Share Posted 12 April, 2012 Hmmm, looking at that team how the hell didn't we go up as champions? Two words : George Burley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 12 April, 2012 Share Posted 12 April, 2012 That 06/07 team had none of it due to Burley (worst Saints manager in recent history). You have no idea how bemusing it is to read others posting that now, considering the utter, utter crap I used to get for saying that and saying that we could find and deserved better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazlo78 Posted 12 April, 2012 Share Posted 12 April, 2012 Played right back a lot. He was to Saints forums what Pulis/Forecast/Guly has been since. He took over from Telfer in more than one way, if I recall correctly... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 12 April, 2012 Share Posted 12 April, 2012 Two words : George Burley What's he doing now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 12 April, 2012 Share Posted 12 April, 2012 What's he doing now? Probably like most failed football managers...TV punditing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 12 April, 2012 Share Posted 12 April, 2012 I thought he was decent at RB to be honest. No pace about him but pretty solid defensively and could pick out a decent pass. Shh Super Mikey, we've already establish you know FA about football. Stick to talking about question time on the lounge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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