Turkish Posted 12 April, 2012 Share Posted 12 April, 2012 Peterborough/Leicester/Coventry are similar sized clubs to Forest and are all within a short travelling distance Peterborough the same size as Forest?!! PMSL! Sorry, how many Eueopean cups and league titles have they won? Forest get crowds 3 times bigger than Peterboroughs even now when they are doing badly. As for Leicester and Coventry ever heard of Midlanda derbies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alehouseboys Posted 12 April, 2012 Share Posted 12 April, 2012 Regional (top of the table) Clash. There, sorted... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stu0x Posted 12 April, 2012 Share Posted 12 April, 2012 I've lived in Harrogate and Leeds, in a house full of Leeds fans. All my in laws are Leeds fans from Leeds. They all consider Middlesborough and Hull and Sheffield clubs as derbies. Other Leeds fans I know talk of Yorkshire Derbies against the others.The United match is calls the Roses Derby or something similar. And to prove what utter ****e youre talking Liverpool v Man United was considered the 3rd Most fierce derby in England, one ahead of Saints v Pompey, yet according to you this isn't a derby. LOL But that's exactly the point. United v Liverpool isn't a derby. It's a match with a load of history, and the fans hate each other, but even Sky's relentless SuperMegaUltraSunday hype machine won't refer to the fixture as a derby. I suspect it's a matter of timing as much as anything else. Growing up I remember the great enmity between Leeds and Bradford, back when it was relevant. Younger Leeds fans don't really care about Bradford too much, I suppose Huddersfield will probably be more so for a while. You seem to find it difficult to debate an issue without resorting to aggression or insults. Not everyone who disagrees with your opinion is personally attacking you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 12 April, 2012 Share Posted 12 April, 2012 Its not a derby. We have no common ground. Non of the press will call it a derby. They are just another southern club not a million miles away. Apart from being in the same division, competing for the same title, being in the same region and having large fanbases in the same overlapping towns obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 12 April, 2012 Share Posted 12 April, 2012 But that's exactly the point. United v Liverpool isn't a derby. It's a match with a load of history, and the fans hate each other, but even Sky's relentless SuperMegaUltraSunday hype machine won't refer to the fixture as a derby. I suspect it's a matter of timing as much as anything else. Growing up I remember the great enmity between Leeds and Bradford, back when it was relevant. Younger Leeds fans don't really care about Bradford too much, I suppose Huddersfield will probably be more so for a while. You seem to find it difficult to debate an issue without resorting to aggression or insults. Not everyone who disagrees with your opinion is personally attacking you. That's odd Man u fans and I would assume they would know which games are their derbies and which aren't, refer to it as the North West Derby. http://www.manutdtalk.com/index.php?entries/the-north-west-derby-never-changes.2291/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 12 April, 2012 Share Posted 12 April, 2012 look, the reason no one wants to call this a derby is that they feel superior to reading...they see reading as they did bournemouth....when that clearly is not the case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 12 April, 2012 Share Posted 12 April, 2012 look, the reason no one wants to call this a derby is that they feel superior to reading...they see reading as they did bournemouth....when that clearly is not the case Exactly Jamie. Im in the office today I'll poll Reading and Liverpool fans opinions and report back on my findings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint137 Posted 12 April, 2012 Share Posted 12 April, 2012 This year, the came v Derby County, but using your logic, the game v Notts County wouldn't be classed as a Local Derby, but one against Leicetser/Coventry/Peterborough would be? Lived in Nottingham for a few years, the only Derby there is Derby. Forest and County play each other so infrequently and there is a common bond between them (specifically both being monumental financial ****-ups) so they don't see each other as rivals. I've known a few fans who occasionally go to watch the other club if there's a long gap between home games. Nottingham is also very insular so has a bit of an us against the world attitude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
svetigpung Posted 12 April, 2012 Share Posted 12 April, 2012 More to the point, what defines a donkey derby? THIS probably the best derby ......ever! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintNeil90 Posted 12 April, 2012 Share Posted 12 April, 2012 Apart from being in the same division, competing for the same title, being in the same region and having large fanbases in the same overlapping towns obviously. Laughable! Same region? They're in a completely different county for a start. It might be a bit of a rivalry between those in the 'overlapping' towns but it wont be called a derby. Its also nothing to do with superiority. As with Bournemouth there is no real mass hatred towards Reading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 12 April, 2012 Share Posted 12 April, 2012 Laughable! Same region? They're in a completely different county for a start. It might be a bit of a rivalry between those in the 'overlapping' towns but it wont be called a derby. Its also nothing to do with superiority. As with Bournemouth there is no real mass hatred towards Reading. except, that is already is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 12 April, 2012 Share Posted 12 April, 2012 except, that is already is I have never, in all my years of going to Saints games, and reading these forums heard our games against Reading being described as a 'Derby'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 12 April, 2012 Share Posted 12 April, 2012 (edited) Laughable! Same region? They're in a completely different county for a start. It might be a bit of a rivalry between those in the 'overlapping' towns but it wont be called a derby. Its also nothing to do with superiority. As with Bournemouth there is no real mass hatred towards Reading. Forest and derby. Ipswich and Norwich. Swindon and Oxford. Luton and Watford. Off the top of my head all local derbies where the clubs are in different counties. If you don't think us and Reading is a local game then maybe you need to do a night course in geography. Edited 12 April, 2012 by Turkish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 12 April, 2012 Share Posted 12 April, 2012 Loads of Reading mates and no one on either side considers it a derby. We sat together in the pub and watched the last match, just friendly banter and no hostility at all. This would never happen against Pompey. In truth most fans of both teams would like us both to go up and west ham to stay down. This is of course our trainee ultras who want to see a 'proper club' go up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 12 April, 2012 Share Posted 12 April, 2012 Loads of Reading mates and no one on either side considers it a derby. We sat together in the pub and watched the last match, just friendly banter and no hostility at all. This would never happen against Pompey. In truth most fans of both teams would like us both to go up and west ham to stay down. This is of course our trainee ultras who want to see a 'proper club' go up. does a derby have to be hostile..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supersonic Posted 12 April, 2012 Share Posted 12 April, 2012 Peterborough the same size as Forest?!! PMSL! Sorry, how many Eueopean cups and league titles have they won? Forest get crowds 3 times bigger than Peterboroughs even now when they are doing badly. As for Leicester and Coventry ever heard of Midlanda derbies? Peterborough are a better team than Forest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 12 April, 2012 Share Posted 12 April, 2012 Peterborough are a better team than Forest means f-all. wigan are better than saints.......but we are giants compared to them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 12 April, 2012 Share Posted 12 April, 2012 does a derby have to be hostile..? Arguably, thats the definition of it. I don't view any match other than the skates as being a derby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 12 April, 2012 Share Posted 12 April, 2012 Laughable! Same region? They're in a completely different county for a start. It might be a bit of a rivalry between those in the 'overlapping' towns but it wont be called a derby. Its also nothing to do with superiority. As with Bournemouth there is no real mass hatred towards Reading. Of course they are in the same region. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supersonic Posted 12 April, 2012 Share Posted 12 April, 2012 Of course they are in the same region. They really aren't in the same region. Different County, Area Code, Post Code and 50 miles away. It's pathetic anyone who thinks this is any sort of local derby. Next you'll be telling us that the Peterborough and Coventry games are Local derbies as we are all south of Manchester Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 12 April, 2012 Share Posted 12 April, 2012 I have never, in all my years of going to Saints games, and reading these forums heard our games against Reading being described as a 'Derby'. Never thought of it as a Derby TBH. Only one derby game for me and the last time that was played was last Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 12 April, 2012 Share Posted 12 April, 2012 They really aren't in the same region. Different County, Area Code, Post Code and 50 miles away. It's pathetic anyone who thinks this is any sort of local derby. Next you'll be telling us that the Peterborough and Coventry games are Local derbies as we are all south of Manchester Dont be a lemon of course we won't. Newbury and Basingstoke are overlapping towns which contains large sections of fans of both. They are our nearest geographical rival to the north. It might not be a derby filled with hate and history but geographically it's very much a local derby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supersonic Posted 12 April, 2012 Share Posted 12 April, 2012 Dont be a lemon of course we won't. Newbury and Basingstoke are overlapping towns which contains large sections of fans of both. They are our nearest geographical rival to the north. It might not be a derby filled with hate and history but geographically it's very much a local derby. Aldershot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 12 April, 2012 Share Posted 12 April, 2012 They really aren't in the same region. Different County, Area Code, Post Code and 50 miles away. It's pathetic anyone who thinks this is any sort of local derby. Next you'll be telling us that the Peterborough and Coventry games are Local derbies as we are all south of Manchester Oh dear. They are 50 miles away............. They are in the same region. I don't particulary think of it as a"Local Derby" but to suggest that they are not in the same region is stupid. Bournemouth is a local derby (Like it or not) and they all have the bizarre criteria ( Different County, Post code, area code). I am not suggesting they are bitter rivals, I simply said they were in the same region - Which they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 12 April, 2012 Share Posted 12 April, 2012 Aldershot? What did I say about the size of clubs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadgerBadger Posted 12 April, 2012 Share Posted 12 April, 2012 So has the game sold out or is it a derby - do we have a verdict I say it's not a derby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supersonic Posted 12 April, 2012 Share Posted 12 April, 2012 What did I say about the size of clubs? so let me get this right, your definition of a Local Derby isn't about geographical distance, more size of the teams? So in Glasgow, Celtic v Queen's Park/Partick Thistle aren't local derbies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonjoe Posted 12 April, 2012 Share Posted 12 April, 2012 I wouldn't call it a derby but it's much more important than either game against the Skates this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supersonic Posted 12 April, 2012 Share Posted 12 April, 2012 Anyway, back to the OP, just phoned TO and there are Very limited seats left, only the odd few individual seats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesb Posted 12 April, 2012 Share Posted 12 April, 2012 come on lets sell it out! Cant wait for this one, block 3 which makes a nice change... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 12 April, 2012 Share Posted 12 April, 2012 so let me get this right, your definition of a Local Derby isn't about geographical distance, more size of the teams? So in Glasgow, Celtic v Queen's Park/Partick Thistle aren't local derbies? Take a deep breath, read back through the posts and try to comprehend them properly, rather than listing random clubs and expecting answers.What i have said is a local derby is a game against a club of a similar size in a similar region, where fan bases are next to each other and in many cases overlap. I used an hours drive (excluding London derbies due to traffic chaos there) as a yardstick of what constitutes local geographically. Therefore any reasonably large club whose fan bases overlap in that radius would be considered a local derby. It really isn't that difficult, is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 12 April, 2012 Share Posted 12 April, 2012 It really isn't that difficult, is it? One wouldn't have thought so, but this is the SWF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 12 April, 2012 Share Posted 12 April, 2012 Take a deep breath, read back through the posts and try to comprehend them properly, rather than listing random clubs and expecting answers.What i have said is a local derby is a game against a club of a similar size in a similar region, where fan bases are next to each other and in many cases overlap. I used an hours drive (excluding London derbies due to traffic chaos there) as a yardstick of what constitutes local geographically. Therefore any reasonably large club whose fan bases overlap in that radius would be considered a local derby. It really isn't that difficult, is it? Turks is correct, technically it is a derby. However, as I dont care at all about reading, bournemouth or brighton beyond the number of points we rack up against them, its reasonable to suggest that it doesn't constitute a "derby" in the commonly understood use of the phrase. Could I suggest that jamies idea about hostility towards a local rival be used as a yardstick? If anything other than the points gained or dropped means anything to us, we could classify it as a derby. I reckon myself that a derby game requires some level of animosity between the fans involved, and personally I couldnt give a flying f*ck about reading either way, their just 11 men standing between us, 3 points, and promotion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattio Posted 12 April, 2012 Share Posted 12 April, 2012 So is this game sold out or not? Why has this turned into a 4 page debate on the dictionary definition of "derby"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 12 April, 2012 Share Posted 12 April, 2012 Pretty sure it is sold out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
voteforpedro Posted 12 April, 2012 Share Posted 12 April, 2012 Is it considered a derby whenever 2 London clubs play each other? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 12 April, 2012 Share Posted 12 April, 2012 So is this game sold out or not? Why has this turned into a 4 page debate on the dictionary definition of "derby"? Yes, its pretty much sold out. As for your second point, why not? Might as well argue about something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
de-fence Posted 12 April, 2012 Share Posted 12 April, 2012 You cannot apply loads of criteria to what constitutes a derby. Just ask any Brighton or Palace fan. They are conceptual and though they correlate strongly to proximity and club size, they are not limited to them. You go outside St. Mary's with a clipboard on Friday and do a survey of Reading and Saints fans asking if they think the match is a derby. The vast majority will say no. You compare that to last Saturday when 100% of people would have said yes. What I'm essentially saying is if you have to write paragraph after paragraph convincing an ordinary fan that a match is a derby, then it is not a derby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 12 April, 2012 Share Posted 12 April, 2012 You cannot apply loads of criteria to what constitutes a derby. Just ask any Brighton or Palace fan. They are conceptual and though they correlate strongly to proximity and club size, they are not limited to them. You go outside St. Mary's with a clipboard on Friday and do a survey of Reading and Saints fans asking if they think the match is a derby. The vast majority will say no. You compare that to last Saturday when 100% of people would have said yes. What I'm essentially saying is if you have to write paragraph after paragraph convincing an ordinary fan that a match is a derby, then it is not a derby. Well that's a lot of ****** because 6 out 8 Reading and Liverpool fans surveyed this morning in my office said it was a local derby. Not their big derby by any means but they still consider it a local derby. Oh and that we also the biggest club in the South outside London. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
de-fence Posted 12 April, 2012 Share Posted 12 April, 2012 As much validity as this office survey has when 8 people have been asked by someone who wants them to say yes, I maintain the majority of fans would disagree with you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel=God-Poyet=Sod Posted 12 April, 2012 Share Posted 12 April, 2012 Sold Out! on OS now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 12 April, 2012 Share Posted 12 April, 2012 As much validity as this office survey has when 8 people have been asked by someone who wants them to say yes, I maintain the majority of fans would disagree with you So they disagee with it because you say they will? Brilliant. Case closed then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
de-fence Posted 12 April, 2012 Share Posted 12 April, 2012 Text my mate. He thought it was laughable. Not going to put any effort into trying to change your mind cos we all know that would NEVER happen. Agree to disagree. My thoughts are now with the brave police officers who will be putting their lives on the line at tomorrow's derby. *gay smiley thing* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedWillie Posted 12 April, 2012 Share Posted 12 April, 2012 I thought we'd played Derby? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Bob Posted 12 April, 2012 Share Posted 12 April, 2012 It can only be considered a derby game if both teams are covered by The Pink. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 12 April, 2012 Share Posted 12 April, 2012 It can only be considered a derby game if both teams are covered by The Pink. It can only be described as a derby if the opposition are the Skates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Tone Posted 12 April, 2012 Share Posted 12 April, 2012 (derby; also local derby) British a sports match between two rival teams from the same area This is the definition in the Oxford on-line dictionary. Some dictionaries even omit the word 'rival'. Reading and Southampton are clearly in the same area, with grounds only 45 miles and just over an hour's drive apart according to google maps. The 2 teams compete for the same fan base in the towns in between, such as Basingtoke and Newbury, and are covered by the same local TV news show. So it's a derby game. But do we care ? No, not really, because it's not Portsmouth ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brittanysaint Posted 12 April, 2012 Share Posted 12 April, 2012 I lived in Basingstoke for 20 odd years and most follow the London clubs eg Chelsea/Millwall etc but scatterings of Saints, liv ed in reading for a few years too, however, for 25 years I have since lived in Newbury. Yes, there are a few Saints fans around Newbury but most are in the Hampshire villages which starts 1 mile south of Newbury. Newbury/Thatcham is mainly Reading fans with a smattering of Oxford, Chelsea, an u etc. So I have lived on the borders of all of them for over 50 years and can honestly say that Reading v Saints is only a "Derby" for those of us that live with mainly Reading fans in and around Newbury. Reading fans from Reading don't class it as a derby game, more like playing the big club 50 miles down the road. Oxford and Aldershot have always been the traditional derby games for Reading. Reading v Chelsea is more like a home game for both as i'd say most Reading people have grown up following Chealsea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brittanysaint Posted 12 April, 2012 Share Posted 12 April, 2012 [quote=Ken Tone Reading and Southampton are clearly in the same area, How very dare you!!!! Reading is Berkshire I was born a couple of miles south of newbury..IN HAMPSHIRE!!.....very very different area. Like I said , i have lived these border villages and towns over 50 years...and it ain't a derby except for a few ex village yokels like me....Portsmuff is the only real derby Saints have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underthetin Posted 12 April, 2012 Share Posted 12 April, 2012 Hi all, Reading fan in peace. Really looking forward to the huge game tomorrow, great to see it's a sell out from both teams. As for the local Derby, very questionable but hopefully it will be the main one next year! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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