oddbod Posted 8 April, 2012 Share Posted 8 April, 2012 Amid all the dissapointment of yesterdays result and all the talk of West Ham no being unstoppable after 1 win in a row, does nobody else think the Birmingham could well overtake West Ham in run in?? A win for Birmingham against WH on Monday would only leave them 3 points behind with a slightly better GD. Birmingham are regaining the fine form they were showing earlier in the season and I wouldn't be suprised if they pull level with WH in the final 4 games. It really isn't the 3 horse race for the top two places yet, just as the draw yesterday doesn't make us any more likely to finish 3rdor 4th as 1st/2nd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsk Posted 8 April, 2012 Share Posted 8 April, 2012 Whilst Brum could catch WHam I dont tink they will catch us or Reading, whereas WHam might, so yes it is a 3 horse race for top 2. However, I can see Brum winning the play-offs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oddbod Posted 8 April, 2012 Author Share Posted 8 April, 2012 Whilst Brum could catch WHam I dont tink they will catch us or Reading, whereas WHam might, so yes it is a 3 horse race for top 2. However, I can see Brum winning the play-offs. So, Brum might catch WH and WH might catch us, but Brum won't catch us? How does that work then?? That, by definition makes it a 4 horse race............................ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints Warrior Posted 8 April, 2012 Share Posted 8 April, 2012 West Ham are by far fav for title were from start and still are given there Premier League players + the 5 they got in during the window. Every football writer says the same, `if west ham dont go up with the resources they have and have spent then its the biggest upset in Chamionship history`. You also have to look at P*mpey, look at the squad they had at the beginning of the season 11 Premiership players, how on earth did those players NOT get them 45 points??? You have to ask the question are they playing for ££££ or the club, and they still have 10 now. Saints have a 8th place team and are playing 120 % above their expected performance and thats how we are top. West Ham have the esiest run in and have done since last 10 games they dont make it and its like P*mpey not scoring vs Bury when they get relegated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 8 April, 2012 Share Posted 8 April, 2012 It's a 3 horse race, Birmingham will not get involved. The plus for them is that they are going into the playoffs with momentum, I fear for anyone who has to play them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 8 April, 2012 Share Posted 8 April, 2012 So, Brum might catch WH and WH might catch us, but Brum won't catch us? How does that work then?? That, by definition makes it a 4 horse race............................ For Birmingham to catch West Ham, WH have have to cock up, if West Ham cock up then thoh wont catch us. So the two things can't happen*, therefore it remains a three horse race. *They can happen mathematically but not realistically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teamsaint Posted 8 April, 2012 Share Posted 8 April, 2012 If brum win their last 5 ,(which include whu and reading) and a few other things go their way, (such as us beating Reading and reading losing at brighton for starters) they have the slimmest of chances. But I would want at least 200/1 on it !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 8 April, 2012 Share Posted 8 April, 2012 If brum win their last 5 ,(which include whu and reading) and a few other things go their way, (such as us beating Reading and reading losing at brighton for starters) they have the slimmest of chances. But I would want at least 200/1 on it !! If those set of results happen then we've won the league! So hopefully they do win their last 5! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 8 April, 2012 Share Posted 8 April, 2012 I would love a brum win on Monday! I will pray for it if we dont win at CP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 8 April, 2012 Share Posted 8 April, 2012 So, Brum might catch WH and WH might catch us, but Brum won't catch us? How does that work then?? That, by definition makes it a 4 horse race............................ Because Birmingham are 10 points behind both Reading and Southampton with only 15 points left to play for. They are too far behind the top two. It is a 3 horse race for the top two spots. However as you say, they are close to West Ham, so might get 3rd place but that is the maximum they will do. That does not "by definition" make it a 4 horse race for the top two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bender Posted 8 April, 2012 Share Posted 8 April, 2012 It's a 3 horse race, Birmingham will not get involved. The plus for them is that they are going into the playoffs with momentum, I fear for anyone who has to play them. If the worst was to happen and we finish 3rd, I would be happy if we played Cardiff or Boro, just not Brighton please not those cheats. Brum and Blackpool have 4th and 5th sewn up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oddbod Posted 8 April, 2012 Author Share Posted 8 April, 2012 Because Birmingham are 10 points behind both Reading and Southampton with only 15 points left to play for. They are too far behind the top two. It is a 3 horse race for the top two spots. However as you say, they are close to West Ham, so might get 3rd place but that is the maximum they will do. That does not "by definition" make it a 4 horse race for the top two. Err, yes it does. You agree it's possible, as you say, for Brum get 3rd place due to them being close to WH, but then maintain it's only a 3 horse race for the top 2. In your analysis then, by definition if WH are in the race for the top 2, then so are Brum by being 'close' to WH's points come the final 2/3 games (maybe only on GD). Likely? Not really. I was just trying to put a view out there that WH, with their flakey home record, may not be the only team to look at during the run in. Brum will play a big part in the run in, playing both WH and Reading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 8 April, 2012 Share Posted 8 April, 2012 If brum or Brighton beat west ham and we win at palace All but over IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ludgershallsaint Posted 8 April, 2012 Share Posted 8 April, 2012 No chance that Brum will go up automatically. 84 points (their maximum) will simply not be enough to finish 2nd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 8 April, 2012 Share Posted 8 April, 2012 If brum or Brighton beat west ham and we win at palace All but over IMO Probably right. That comment alone shows how close we are and any slip up from the teams below us and it could be curtains. We'd then be 7pts in front, with WHU only having 12 pts to play for. They'd realistically have to win all 4 games and we'd have to lose 90% of ours to then fail. As weirdly deflated everyone is today, by 8pm tomorrow we could all be as high as kite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 8 April, 2012 Share Posted 8 April, 2012 Brum and Brighton are the two teams that can assist us in promotion, and they have my full support! oh, and it is a three horse race unless all of us top three hardly pick up any more points this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
de-fence Posted 8 April, 2012 Share Posted 8 April, 2012 Err, yes it does. You agree it's possible, as you say, for Brum get 3rd place due to them being close to WH, but then maintain it's only a 3 horse race for the top 2. In your analysis then, by definition if WH are in the race for the top 2, then so are Brum by being 'close' to WH's points come the final 2/3 games (maybe only on GD). Likely? Not really. I was just trying to put a view out there that WH, with their flakey home record, may not be the only team to look at during the run in. Brum will play a big part in the run in, playing both WH and Reading. You're talking b0llocks mate. Are we talking mathematically or realistically? Because you seem to be talking realistically speaking at first but then conveniently changed your argument to a mathematical one with your next post. That being, if you were talking about mathematically speaking then surely its a 6-horse race as anyone down to Cardiff can still make 79 points so if they were to win the remainder of their games and we were to lose the remainder of ours, along with other teams in the top 6 dropping points then couldn't they still catch us? As could Blackpool on 2 points more than them. You're warped argument to say if Brum can catch WHU and WHU can catch us therefore Brum can catch us up is ridiculous. By that logic, Blackpool can catch Brum, Cardiff can catch Blackpool, Brighton can catch Cardiff etc etc, therefore 'by definition' surely its a 24 horse race..??? Realistically speaking, yes Brum can catch WHU and yes WHU can catch us. But the fact of the matter is that Brum need to overturn a 10 point, inferior goal difference swing to catch us. WHU need to overturn a 4 point, inferior goal difference swing. And Reading of course just need to overturn our goal difference. So yes in a mathematical, pedantic, bore your mates to death with permutation after permutation way, yes it could be described as a 4 horse race (but then why isn't it a 6 horse race as previously stated, where do you draw the line between realistic and mathematical), but the fact of the matter is as the team at the top of the league, there are 2 teams who could realistically catch us and as such it is a 3 horse race. F*cking hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 8 April, 2012 Share Posted 8 April, 2012 Well it would be great if Brum caught West ham because that would mean we got promoted. A less importnat benefit woudl be that it would also wipe the smiles off the smug faces of West ham who seem to think promotion is theirs by right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oddbod Posted 8 April, 2012 Author Share Posted 8 April, 2012 You're talking b0llocks mate. Are we talking mathematically or realistically? Because you seem to be talking realistically speaking at first but then conveniently changed your argument to a mathematical one with your next post. That being, if you were talking about mathematically speaking then surely its a 6-horse race as anyone down to Cardiff can still make 79 points so if they were to win the remainder of their games and we were to lose the remainder of ours, along with other teams in the top 6 dropping points then couldn't they still catch us? As could Blackpool on 2 points more than them. You're warped argument to say if Brum can catch WHU and WHU can catch us therefore Brum can catch us up is ridiculous. By that logic, Blackpool can catch Brum, Cardiff can catch Blackpool, Brighton can catch Cardiff etc etc, therefore 'by definition' surely its a 24 horse race..??? Realistically speaking, yes Brum can catch WHU and yes WHU can catch us. But the fact of the matter is that Brum need to overturn a 10 point, inferior goal difference swing to catch us. WHU need to overturn a 4 point, inferior goal difference swing. And Reading of course just need to overturn our goal difference. So yes in a mathematical, pedantic, bore your mates to death with permutation after permutation way, yes it could be described as a 4 horse race (but then why isn't it a 6 horse race as previously stated, where do you draw the line between realistic and mathematical), but the fact of the matter is as the team at the top of the league, there are 2 teams who could realistically catch us and as such it is a 3 horse race. F*cking hell. I may well be talking b0llocks. It's called an opinion. You should try reading and respecting other peoples opinions without it raising tour blood pressure so much. Much of your arguments regarding other teams in the position we're all in at the momen tare null and void in any case as Brum are (a) ony 6 points behind WH, not the 9-11 that Blackpool, Cardiff are, and (b) they play WH tomorrow whereas neither Pool or Cardiff play them. I fail to see why this is 'a warped argument'. It's both mathamatically possible and realistic in my view. I was trying to combine realism and maths, but obviously failed........................................... I feel we will win tomorrow, drop points to Reading who will finish top, but still manage to obtain enough points to finish 2nd. My OPINION is that Brum will do enough in the remaining 5 games so get level with WH who will finish 4th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabrone Posted 8 April, 2012 Share Posted 8 April, 2012 Probably right. That comment alone shows how close we are and any slip up from the teams below us and it could be curtains. We'd then be 7pts in front, with WHU only having 12 pts to play for. They'd realistically have to win all 4 games and we'd have to lose 90% of ours to then fail. As weirdly deflated everyone is today, by 8pm tomorrow we could all be as high as kite. Exactly, and if you had to bet on whether we'd beat Palace or 'can't win at home' Wham will beat Brum I think most would bet on us. Even if Wham managed a draw as long as we win we'd still have a 6 point gap with 4 to go, a superior GD and a final game at home to a **** poor Cov team. Despite the nervous ninnies on here we are still very much in the driving seat, absolutely no doubt about it. Wham - Brum is absolutely pivotal, more so than our game at Palace. Another Wham home loss\draw will shatter them IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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