Channon's Sideburns Posted 8 April, 2012 Posted 8 April, 2012 In my eyes, what we are crying out for in central midfield is a hard central midfielder. I'm thinking a 2012 Jimmy Case. Look at yesterday, Halford was unchallenged for most part in the centre of midfield. Without Morgan, we're actually VERY lightweight. Discuss.....
Glasgow_Saint Posted 8 April, 2012 Posted 8 April, 2012 Sign Allan from WBA looked V.good for the sk8s yesterday
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 8 April, 2012 Posted 8 April, 2012 In my eyes, what we are crying out for in central midfield is a hard central midfielder. I'm thinking a 2012 Jimmy Case. Look at yesterday, Halford was unchallenged for most part in the centre of midfield. Without Morgan, we're actually VERY lightweight. Discuss..... I agree. Fancy Stuart Holden and Gylfi Siggurdsson if we go up to strengthen the midfield/attack. Also think Dobbie is a great attacking midfielder.
Thedelldays Posted 8 April, 2012 Posted 8 April, 2012 I agree. Fancy Stuart Holden and Gylfi Siggurdsson if we go up to strengthen the midfield/attack. Also think Dobbie is a great attacking midfielder.
Thedelldays Posted 8 April, 2012 Posted 8 April, 2012 Hoffenheim look willing to sell. i sure they will I will tell you now, ZERO chance on coming to saints...ZERO shall we sign adebeyor too.. man city will be looking to sell
doddisalegend Posted 8 April, 2012 Posted 8 April, 2012 Not sure we do how often do refs let the sort of tackles pompey were making yesterday go unpunished A hardman will probably spend more time heading down the tunnel in this day and age. A midfielder who can pick a good pass forward might be more useful.
Saint Charlie Posted 8 April, 2012 Posted 8 April, 2012 How many teams actually have these so called hardmen anymore? Plus unless you spend loads the hardmen usually can't pass a ball...then people call for passers!
ThreeSixty Posted 8 April, 2012 Posted 8 April, 2012 We were light in midfield because they had 3 to our 2. "Hard" midfielders don't exist above league 1. If you're playing a 2 in CM you can't afford to have 1 player just kicking people anyway.
Thedelldays Posted 8 April, 2012 Posted 8 April, 2012 we have chaplow.....he is pretty 'hard'....yet he won't last the distance most games
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 8 April, 2012 Posted 8 April, 2012 We don't need a 'hardman' we need an attacking central midfielder to drive towards the box from CM and shoot from outside the box.
Webby Posted 8 April, 2012 Posted 8 April, 2012 In my eyes, what we are crying out for in central midfield is a hard central midfielder. I'm thinking a 2012 Jimmy Case. Look at yesterday, Halford was unchallenged for most part in the centre of midfield. Without Morgan, we're actually VERY lightweight. Discuss..... I only read the title and I totally agree that this is what we need. We should pay whatever it takes to get one too. 5,6,7m. A strong midfielder is the backbone of the whole team. Get one in.
Hopkins Posted 8 April, 2012 Posted 8 April, 2012 The sooner English teams get away from the idea of having a "hardman" the better for everyone. To then agree with the statement and to suggest 3 attacking midfielders, two of which would laugh at our interest is almost as laughable as the initial statement.
S-Clarke Posted 8 April, 2012 Posted 8 April, 2012 The sooner English teams get away from the idea of having a "hardman" the better for everyone. To then agree with the statement and to suggest 3 attacking midfielders, two of which would laugh at our interest is almost as laughable as the initial statement. Pretty much spot on. We always get threads like this after we fail to win a couple of games. In an ideal world we need a midfielder who can get his foot on the ball and move forwards. Simple as that. Morgan gave us the composure, but didn't get forward a great deal.
Webby Posted 8 April, 2012 Posted 8 April, 2012 Well, I read Hardman as a strong midfielder that can boss the middle of the park. Not necessarily a brainless leg breaker.
VectisSaint Posted 8 April, 2012 Posted 8 April, 2012 Sign Allan from WBA looked V.good for the sk8s yesterday Glad someone agrees with me, just a bit concerned its Glasgow :-( Don't want him necessarily because he's hard, but because he can pass the ball intelligently
Cabrone Posted 8 April, 2012 Posted 8 April, 2012 I still like Neil Danns, not 'hard' but a great driving midfielder with an eye for goal who could compete with RC for a place in the team.
Saint_Jonny Posted 8 April, 2012 Posted 8 April, 2012 We missed morgan immensely when he went off. He's usually the one that pushes the ball forward, gets attacks going and breaks up the oppos' midfield. It was a nightmare him going off, as has been discussed in another thread, he along with RL are the players we really can't go without. What a ball ache!
AussieDog Posted 8 April, 2012 Posted 8 April, 2012 we need a dynamic ball-winner...ie someone who is in their face all the time and can nick the ball off the toes or at least stop them breaking forwards. The amount of times we just let them run at us yesterday was frightening - and even worse, let them cut inside instead of pushing them out to the line.
shurlock Posted 8 April, 2012 Posted 8 April, 2012 Best ballwinners I've seen against us this season must be Clayton at Leeds, Fernandes at Leicester (and he's gone) and Bartley at Burnley.
Verbal Kint Posted 8 April, 2012 Posted 8 April, 2012 I can't believe this thread. I have yet to see a better central midfielder in the league than Schneiderlin. He is pure class and runs the midfield regularly. Him being out is a massive blow, but the the captain now has to step up to the plate. What we miss is a player alongside him to give us a bit more goal threat from midfield. I like Cork but he isn't getting forward enough for me
stmaxx Posted 8 April, 2012 Posted 8 April, 2012 what about snodgrass, would leave morgan to pull the strings in the middle
S-Clarke Posted 8 April, 2012 Posted 8 April, 2012 what about snodgrass, would leave morgan to pull the strings in the middle Snodgrass is a wide player......
Channon's Sideburns Posted 8 April, 2012 Author Posted 8 April, 2012 OK...seeing as some have got the wrong end of the stick... For 'hardman' see 'effective midfielder who tackles and doesn't just step off and invite the opposition forward'... Watch yesterday again and tell me I'm wrong. THAT'S why Lambo was doing his nut. WITHOUT Morgan, we're lightweight.
Thedelldays Posted 8 April, 2012 Posted 8 April, 2012 OK...seeing as some have got the wrong end of the stick... For 'hardman' see 'effective midfielder who tackles and doesn't just step off and invite the opposition forward'... Watch yesterday again and tell me I'm wrong. THAT'S why Lambo was doing his nut. WITHOUT Morgan, we're lightweight. dare I say it...chappers in the middle.....? he will certainly break forward.. ah, feck knows
Ex Lion Tamer Posted 8 April, 2012 Posted 8 April, 2012 Chaplow's our only midfielder who can get box to box in central midfield, we need him to find his form in the centre and not waste him on the right as Hammond and Cork together are not adventurous enough
Crab Lungs Posted 8 April, 2012 Posted 8 April, 2012 I've been banging the Clayton drum for over a year now. He's superb and would have been perfect for the derby game - certainly would have put Halford in his place.
Webby Posted 8 April, 2012 Posted 8 April, 2012 OK...seeing as some have got the wrong end of the stick... For 'hardman' see 'effective midfielder who tackles and doesn't just step off and invite the opposition forward'... Watch yesterday again and tell me I'm wrong. THAT'S why Lambo was doing his nut. WITHOUT Morgan, we're lightweight.Exactly.
Saints 6 Derby 4 Posted 8 April, 2012 Posted 8 April, 2012 There is one element which this team lacks - a Leader. Usually our skill gets us by but when teams (quite a long list of them since Christmas) nullify us there is nobody on the pitch to take the game by the scruff of the neck. Go back as far as you like, we have always been at our best when we have a Leader. Alan Ball was the best even when he couldn't run to catch a bus.
S-Clarke Posted 8 April, 2012 Posted 8 April, 2012 There is one element which this team lacks - a Leader. Usually our skill gets us by but when teams (quite a long list of them since Christmas) nullify us there is nobody on the pitch to take the game by the scruff of the neck. Go back as far as you like, we have always been at our best when we have a Leader. Alan Ball was the best even when he couldn't run to catch a bus. The team is full of leaders. Fonte, Dean, Lambert, Kelvin - even morgan to a degree, they've all been captain at some stage and they're all leaders on and off the pitch. We do not lack leaders.
Badger Posted 8 April, 2012 Posted 8 April, 2012 There is one element which this team lacks - a Leader. Usually our skill gets us by but when teams (quite a long list of them since Christmas) nullify us there is nobody on the pitch to take the game by the scruff of the neck. Go back as far as you like, we have always been at our best when we have a Leader. Alan Ball was the best even when he couldn't run to catch a bus. I've been saying the same for years. Alan Ball was the last of a rare breed though, only Jimmy Case comes close as a midfield enforcer although nowhere near Ball's standard of passing.T match Alan Ball you'd have to merge Case and Steve Williams.
Saints 6 Derby 4 Posted 8 April, 2012 Posted 8 April, 2012 The team is full of leaders. Fonte, Dean, Lambert, Kelvin - even morgan to a degree, they've all been captain at some stage and they're all leaders on and off the pitch. We do not lack leaders. Excellent characters they undoubtedly are and Rickie and Kelvin have got us out of some deep stuff through acts of individual brilliance but none of them or the rest of the team have galvanised the team into turning things around when it's not working. But I guess they are only following orders in a disciplined way.
Wade Garrett Posted 8 April, 2012 Posted 8 April, 2012 dare I say it...chappers in the middle.....? he will certainly break forward.. ah, feck knows Great shout. Play him with Cork.
s0108787 Posted 8 April, 2012 Posted 8 April, 2012 what we need is chaplow, playing through the middle and back to his early season form.
Rasiak-9- Posted 8 April, 2012 Posted 8 April, 2012 I still like Neil Danns, not 'hard' but a great driving midfielder with an eye for goal who could compete with RC for a place in the team. Definitely. A bustling ball of energy in every game I've seen. The kind of player who can actually have a bad game and yet still be effective through sheer drive and determination. The kind of player who even if they give the ball away will fight tooth and nail to win it back. Plus he could play in the centre of midfield as well as on the right wing giving us options. Still, we can completely discount players like him unless we're in the Premiership next season.
Saint_clark Posted 8 April, 2012 Posted 8 April, 2012 How many teams actually have these so called hardmen anymore? Plus unless you spend loads the hardmen usually can't pass a ball...then people call for passers! Indeed. People said we needed a "hard man" for the last 8 years or so. We didn't do too bad the last two seasons without one. What you need is the balance - and IMO, we've got that. Morgan has upped the physical side of his game, and Hammond has upped the technical side. Cork was already good enough on both sides; and it's worth saying I thought he was outstanding yesterday.
Guan 2.0 Posted 8 April, 2012 Posted 8 April, 2012 Forget a 'hardman', we need Robert Koren as soo as he is fit.
skintsaint Posted 8 April, 2012 Posted 8 April, 2012 Sign Allan from WBA looked V.good for the sk8s yesterday he ran around a lot, worked very hard and had a quick burst of pace BUT fackin his final ball was awful every single time. Came from the Scholes school of tackling too.
doddisalegend Posted 8 April, 2012 Posted 8 April, 2012 OK...seeing as some have got the wrong end of the stick... For 'hardman' see 'effective midfielder who tackles and doesn't just step off and invite the opposition forward'... Watch yesterday again and tell me I'm wrong. THAT'S why Lambo was doing his nut. WITHOUT Morgan, we're lightweight. Your wrong if that's your definition of a "hardman" we already have one in Jack Cork who just that type of player
whizzpop Posted 8 April, 2012 Posted 8 April, 2012 oh if only we kept hold of Quashie and Jermaine Wright
captainchris Posted 8 April, 2012 Posted 8 April, 2012 We are seriously lacking in midfield there is no doubt about this. We either require 5 in midfield which is my preferred solution or, we need players that can get forward. In fact we do need 5 in midfield with at least one that can break forward. What we have is not working and we are continuously in every game for past 3 months being compromised in midfield. For crying out loud we cannot go on like this repeating the same struggling method or we won't go up - simple!
Rebel Posted 8 April, 2012 Posted 8 April, 2012 We also lack wingers with real pace who will give the team width Our best midfield is Lallana, Schneiderlin, Cork and Chaplow. Do Prado and De Ridder are both weak links - they don't give us enough going forward - and neither provides enough cover defensively. Do Prado is probably better as a forward. If only we'd kept Andrew Surman and Oscar Gobern and brought in Jonjo Shelvey on loan this season.
doddisalegend Posted 8 April, 2012 Posted 8 April, 2012 We also lack wingers with real pace who will give the team width Our best midfield is Lallana, Schneiderlin, Cork and Chaplow. Do Prado and De Ridder are both weak links - they don't give us enough going forward - and neither provides enough cover defensively. Do Prado is probably better as a forward. If only we'd kept Andrew Surman and Oscar Gobern and brought in Jonjo Shelvey on loan this season. We don't really need wingers while we keep playing the diamond though. Players like SDR and Puncheon would make decent enough wingers in a 4-4-2 but as Nigel doesn't set the team up like that wingers aren't really a need. Guly has gone on record saying he prefers to play in behind the strikers in midfield and not on the right.
Lighthouse Posted 8 April, 2012 Posted 8 April, 2012 One of my favourite central midfielders since we were relegated from the Prem was Pele. Strong, a good tackler and a very reliable passer. Won a lot in the air and hard to knock off the ball. Someone like that would be a good addition, although I don't agree with this 'hard man' attitude. We could just end up with someone like Robbie Savage, lunging in and getting booked every game, whilst leaving his team mates to cover his mess.
Turkish Posted 8 April, 2012 Posted 8 April, 2012 One of my favourite central midfielders since we were relegated from the Prem was Pele. Strong, a good tackler and a very reliable passer. Won a lot in the air and hard to knock off the ball. Someone like that would be a good addition, although I don't agree with this 'hard man' attitude. We could just end up with someone like Robbie Savage, lunging in and getting booked every game, whilst leaving his team mates to cover his mess. Can I just check this is the same Pele that lost us the play off first leg against Derby and is now playing for Hayes and Yeading you are talking about?
simo Posted 8 April, 2012 Posted 8 April, 2012 Being a hardman myself and also an expert in football imo we have one of the best young English central midfielders about in Jack Cork but he seems to have lost his way since the beginning of the season he needs to play consistently in one position to blossom or he'll be a jack of all positions and master of none!
The Majestic Channon Posted 8 April, 2012 Posted 8 April, 2012 we need a jimmy case, i still fondly remember him stamping on paul davis at the dell after davis broke glenn cockrills jaw at highbury. where did david axcell get 8 minutes off injury time from ?? we were top of the league too, then i got ripped off in a soho peep show, you live and learn.
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