Guly

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

Is continually saying "Guly (or any other player) is ****" an opinion or just blind dislike? If I said MLT was a fat useless lazy bastard who did nothing for the team, would you happily accept that as a valid opinion that I am entitled to hold or would you lambast me for being a ******. I personally believe in complimenting a player when he does well and critisicise him when he does badly... but hey, thats me - I`m not going to change

 

But he has done badly, and some on here just willfully refuse to admit the obvious truth of that despite the evidence of their own eyes. You and your like minded soulmates should understand just how annoying that pigheadedness is to those who prefer a more honest approach to debate.

 

I'll take it you are engaging in hyperbole and not seriously trying to compare Guly do Prado with MLT because that really would be risible. But even if you did hold that ridiculous view then (I say) you'd be perfectly entitled to express it on here - just as everyone else would be equally free to ignore you.

 

As it happens the record shows I too have praised Guly's efforts this season on more than one occasion - but only when I considered he had done something praiseworthy enough to really merit it. The trouble is that all happened before Xmas, and this utter lack of anything approaching decent form this player, this whole calendar year, is the heart of the matter is it not ?

 

Nevertheless should Guly score/make the goal that finally secures us promotion then I'll be back on here praising him again for that - but only because he would deserve it.

[miserableoldgit]

But he has done badly, and some on here just willfully refuse to admit the obvious truth of that despite the evidence of their own eyes. You and your like minded soulmates should understand just how annoying that pigheadedness is to those who prefer a more honest approach to debate.

 

I'll take it you are engaging in hyperbole and not seriously trying to compare Guly do Prado with MLT because that really would be risible. But even if you did hold that ridiculous view then (I say) you'd be perfectly entitled to express it on here - just as everyone else would be equally free to ignore you.

 

As it happens the record shows I too have praised Guly's efforts this season on more than one occasion - but only when I considered he had done something praiseworthy enough to really merit it. The trouble is that all happened before Xmas, and this utter lack of anything approaching decent form this player, this whole calendar year, is the heart of the matter is it not ?

 

Nevertheless should Guly score/make the goal that finally secures us promotion then I'll be back on here praising him again for that - but only because he would deserve it.

Not really. The problem is that a certain section of the posters on here have had it in for him from day one. Even when he was going through his "Purple Patch" those same people couldn`t bring themselves to compliment him. They say nothing when he plays well but slate him when he has a bad patch, which I agree he is going through at the moment. I don`t think that this constitutes a fair balanced view of his abilities. Of course I wasn`t comparing him with Le God just showing how stupid some opinions can be, but still opinions. All I ask is that Guly is given the same treatment as anyone else in the squad when it comes to criticism. Is that being pigheaded?

[BARCELONASAINT]

It matters not a jot what anyone on this site thinks of Guly. Only one persons opinion matters and that is the manager that has got us to the position we find ourselves in and he pick Guly to play time and time again. Nigel obviously feels Guly brings something to the team and that the other players benefit from having him in the team. Personally i hated him when he first arrived. I thought he was useless. However i have watched him consistently now and i can see the benefits he brings the side. He is slated by many on here and sometimes his performances deserve that.....but he is not the only player to have poor games, yet he is the one who takes the brunt of the critiscim on here. On this forum its all about opinions.....and thank god as a forum we dont manage the side!!!.....In Nige we trust!

[markr27]

From those at the game Id be interested to know if the Saints coaching staff did manage to force Guly to applaud or if he did just storm off today?

 

Adkins told him to turn around and go and applaud the fans - it looked like he was gesturing that he needed some liquid from the bench crate.

He got some, and came back onto the pitch and made his way across to the fans.

 

Fan reactions weremixed - got a good response coming on, then murmurs all around about his (lack of) workrate, criticism over his weak header straight at the keeper, and finally raptuous applause for a tackle!

[mitch01]

I can report that he was angry with:

 

a) Fonte for putting in a great cross that Chaplow almost got on the end of late on.

 

b) Billy Sharp for taking a shot from 25 yards in the 93rd minute, which wasn't too far away.

 

Strange man.

[Chez]

I can report that he was angry with:

 

a) Fonte for putting in a great cross that Chaplow almost got on the end of late on.

 

b) Billy Sharp for taking a shot from 25 yards in the 93rd minute, which wasn't too far away.

 

Strange man.

couldn't understand the former at all, the latter he may have had a point as a little give and go might have been a better option but Billy had earned the right to shoot having worked hard all game. Not sure Angry is the right word, annoyed maybe?

[Jonnyboy]

couldn't understand the former at all, the latter he may have had a point as a little give and go might have been a better option but Billy had earned the right to shoot having worked hard all game. Not sure Angry is the right word, annoyed maybe?

 

Bit of passion at least. that's what we want, no?

[Crazy Diamond]

Nice to see him put a challenge in though, genuinely can't remember too many tackles by him in the games I've attended.

[Glasgow_Saint]

Adkins told him to turn around and go and applaud the fans - it looked like he was gesturing that he needed some liquid from the bench crate.

He got some, and came back onto the pitch and made his way across to the fans.

 

Fan reactions weremixed - got a good response coming on, then murmurs all around about his (lack of) workrate, criticism over his weak header straight at the keeper, and finally raptuous applause for a tackle!

 

Ok good stuff - thank you

[Saint_clark]

Nice to see him put a challenge in though, genuinely can't remember too many tackles by him in the games I've attended.

 

I can't honestly remember individual tackles by any players.

[Wilf]

Yeah players who Saints fans hated

Guly

Puncheon

Rasiak

J Wright

Alan Ball

Francis Benali (in his early years)

Mark Hughes

Jimmy Case

Kevin Curran

 

An endless list and no doubt many many more from my being away years.

 

Saints fans are not complete unless they can moan

 

As a kid at the Dell I was shocked at the impatience and abuse that Terry Paine got from large sections of the crowd; and it still puzzles me why people would undermine a player like Guly in the red and white who is a decent player and whose heart is in the right place. I know he hasn't played as well as he's capable of for a good few games, but neither had Cork and Chaplow before today, and people have been a lot more lenient with them.

[Crazy Diamond]

I can't honestly remember individual tackles by any players.

 

May I suggest paying attention then?

 

It was genuinely nice to see, especially as I have an abiding memory of him against Hull when he sulked and threw his hands to his side when he was being man marked, rather than try and get away from his man or put up a bit of a fight.

 

Also, out of that list posted earlier, I am only old enough to know four players. Rasiak was used in a long ball game under Burley yet got 20 goals before Christmas, never had a problem with him. Didn't see much of Jermaine Wright but he was just extremely average when I did witness a performance of his, Puncheon again I've never had a problem with, Guly, my views are well known.

[LGTL]

It's all becoming a bit of a pantomine really. I can accept criticism but it gets a bit comical with Guly with people groaning when he or no other player would have had no chance with the situation.

[leithsaint]

If he had made a decision in that instance, and either come out to challange for the ball and won it, or stayed on the line and cleared the header off the line at the end of the Portsmouth away game, I don't believe he would be receiving a tenth of the criticisim he currently gets. One moment has, sadly, defined his Saints career. In my opinion there is no excuse for the reaction he has had from some people.

[Sour Mash]

This is important now lads. Every player needs our support 100% for the next four games. They've all got us where we are now, sometimes having great games and sometimes poor ones but from now on in nothing less than total support will do. We can save the critical discussions for the close season.

Exactly. However, you're not taking into consideration the thickness of the average Saints fan.

[Alain Perrin]

Tsssk. Football is a game of opinions but, having said that, mine is the only valid one. Guly is a great player who isn't in great form at the moment. He isn't helped by looking laidback, but he also isn't helped by people getting on his back.

 

Personally if Nigel picks him that is good enough for me. If you look at some of the players that some Saints fans have taken to and others they have turned on, I know who'd I trust. Remember when Kelvin Was the worst player to ever pull on a Saints shirts? Or when that over-rated right back (Polish, longhair, tatts - jesus) was celebrated.

 

Guly was great in the early part of the season. Form is temporary, ability is permanent.

[sotonjoe]

Seems to be some confusion here...

 

Guly was brought on yesterday to replace Lambert. There were clearly boos from some sections of our fans when this happened. Whether people see this as being in response to Lambert going or Guly coming is a matter of opinion. Guly put in a good stint but looked a bit disheartened to me. I didn't look at him at the final whistle.

 

I've complained about him on numerous occasions, but I will never boo during a game etc. I was really disappointed to note the negative reaction to him just being on the pitch by some fans and really think that sort of behaviour is unacceptable to be honest. People will voice their opinions to one another on the terraces which is fine, but doing it to a level which could affect players just seems short sighted to me. It's almost as if you want your own players to play bad just so you can feel redeemed for saying how crap they are!

[ALWAYS_SFC]

Mr Coretse to Mr Adkins.. "If Guly Is fit he plays okay, He`s my signing he plays or I sack you"

 

Drum brain poster

[saintscottofthenortham]

Seems to be some confusion here...

 

Guly was brought on yesterday to replace Lambert. There were clearly boos from some sections of our fans when this happened. Whether people see this as being in response to Lambert going or Guly coming is a matter of opinion. Guly put in a good stint but looked a bit disheartened to me. I didn't look at him at the final whistle.

 

I've complained about him on numerous occasions, but I will never boo during a game etc. I was really disappointed to note the negative reaction to him just being on the pitch by some fans and really think that sort of behaviour is unacceptable to be honest. People will voice their opinions to one another on the terraces which is fine, but doing it to a level which could affect players just seems short sighted to me. It's almost as if you want your own players to play bad just so you can feel redeemed for saying how crap they are!

 

I really am bored of Guly but he was far better yesterday than previous games, where he has been a disgrace IMHO. Not quite sure why he had such a pop at Fonte when he put that great ball across the 6 yard box that Chaplow was inches away from. I honestly did not here any booing from the crowd though, that is news to me.

[Hayling Saint]

Take away Guly's goals and assists would we still be top?

[Glasgow_Saint]

Guly's header from 7 yards out yesterday (after Fonte had a shot saved) just about sums him up.......

 

Weak, aimless, minimum effort and should have done better!

[trousers]

Guly's header from 7 yards out yesterday (after Fonte had a shot saved) just about sums him up.......

 

Weak, aimless, minimum effort and should have done better!

 

Any chance you could post this every 5 minutes just in case we forget how awful he is?

 

Cheers

[shurlock]

Guly's header from 7 yards out yesterday (after Fonte had a shot saved) just about sums him up.......

 

Weak, aimless, minimum effort and should have done better!

 

Why? It was difficult to generate much power from a standing stance.

[christineb]

Get off his back for pity's sake. He's scored important goals this season and doesnt deserve this relentless criticism. Every season a section of moronic fans pick on a player and ***** ***** *****. Be a supporter and support the whole team

[Glasgow_Saint]

Get off his back for pity's sake. He's scored important goals this season and doesnt deserve this relentless criticism. Every season a section of moronic fans pick on a player and ***** ***** *****. Be a supporter and support the whole team

 

Any player that earns respect/praise gets it from me 100%! any player that consistantly gives less than 100% does not!

[miserableoldgit]

Any player that earns respect/praise gets it from me 100%! any player that consistantly gives less than 100% does not!

Really?

[Glasgow_Saint]

Really?

 

Guly is consistant, close to constant!

[ALWAYS_SFC]

Guly's header from 7 yards out yesterday (after Fonte had a shot saved) just about sums him up.......

Weak, aimless, minimum effort and should have done better!

 

A good summary of virtually all of your posts

Edited 11 April, 2012 by ALWAYS_SFC

[Window Cleaner]

Guly is consistant, close to constant!

 

A consistent constant

 

see what I did there.

[crawlmatth]

Think its only right in ending this thread with one of these

OLE OLE OLE OLE GULY GULY

[MbaleSaint]

Guly's header from 7 yards out yesterday (after Fonte had a shot saved) just about sums him up.......

 

Weak, aimless, minimum effort and should have done better!

 

Fonte had a free header on a ball coming with pace and put it straight at the keeper - a far worse miss than Guly trying to generate power and head home the rebound.

[Whitey Grandad]

Fonte had a free header on a ball coming with pace and put it straight at the keeper - a far worse miss than Guly trying to generate power and head home the rebound.

 

Not to mention the volley that Fonte put over the bar on Saturday. Oh I just did.

[DrunkenSaint]

Right i know i have slatted Guly a lot from November onwards due to poor form but he does not deserves the boo's but from the form point of view he does not a starting place either. I see him as a playmaker and nothing else and a team does not work well with too many playmakers in the team. We have Lallana who's great with turns, passes and crosses who i see as a playmaker type, we also have Morgan who sits back and like to pass the ball around again a playmaker type so there is no room for 3 playmakers in the team. Against Palace, we only had Lallana and the team did so much better and yes Lallana plays a lot better than Guly on the tip of the diamond. If Lallana and Moran are fit, Guly shouldn't be in the team, if Lallana is injured that's when Guly should be in the team. NA should stick with the same team as the Palace game against Reading since that midfield he played is a lot stronger in all areas.

[Sheaf Saint]

Thought he was dreadful when he came on tonight. Far too conservative and slowed the game down when we needed to up the tempo and put pressure on the Reading defence.

 

[dubai_phil]

Thought he did well tonight when he came on. Clearly CM is not his normal position but he moved the ball on well.

I'd have FAR preferred him to be in the box BUT he was replacing DH so was obviously under orders

[Saint_Donovan]

Thought he was dreadful when he came on tonight. Far too conservative and slowed the game down when we needed to up the tempo and put pressure on the Reading defence.

 

 

You were clearly watching a different game to me!! He done well when he came on. How you can say he was dreadful is beyond me

[Minty]

He was a straight swap for Hammond and did what Hammond was doing... link the play, spread the ball and be available for a pass. He didn't *change* anything, but he wasn't dreadful at all. Sometimes it's about who is available to receive a pass (or not) rather than the person on the ball doing anything wrong. He did fine when he came on tonight IMO.

[Sheaf Saint]

You were clearly watching a different game to me!! He done well when he came on. How you can say he was dreadful is beyond me

 

There was one moment where we had the ball in midfield and were trying to build an attack. Guly had possession and time and was looking for options, and he chose to play an utterly pointless 3-yard sideways pass to Cork which lead to the move breaking down. It's obvious that NA brought him on to give us some better attacking options and he did absolutely nothing and was at fault for their third IMO.

[S-Clarke]

Not sure why anyone is criticizing him tonight, he was put into a central position and was told to play from the middle. If a pass is on to retain the ball, play it. To be honest with the way the fans have been getting on his back, the last thing he probably wants to try and do is a hollywood forward pass.

 

He did nothing wrong tonight for the position he was asked to play in.

[Minty]

Guly had possession and time and was looking for options, and he chose to play an utterly pointless 3-yard sideways pass to Cork which lead to the move breaking down.

I think you'll find that keeping the ball moving, even 3 yards, is actually a good thing to do. Unless Guly himself lost the ball, then you are trying to find blame where there is none IMO.

[Saint_Mabes]

It was obvious that he bought Guly on to try and link midfield with attack which was lacking. He did this well but unfortunately Lambert and Sharp aren't the type to thread through balls to so he spread it (very well) to the wings where Steve was the main danger. Yes on a couple of occasions he could have had a pop but overall thought he was positive. Can't believe he's been singled out tonight.

[Saint_Donovan]

There was one moment where we had the ball in midfield and were trying to build an attack. Guly had possession and time and was looking for options, and he chose to play an utterly pointless 3-yard sideways pass to Cork which lead to the move breaking down. It's obvious that NA brought him on to give us some better attacking options and he did absolutely nothing and was at fault for their third IMO.

 

I believe that's called "keeping the ball moving" which all players are taught to do at a young age. So he was "dreadful" for shifting the ball 3 yards? Id be interested to hear your views on how the rest of the team did.

 

He also clearly wasn't brought on to give us better attacking options, if that was the case he would have left Hammond on and played Guly in the hole behind the strikers, he was clearly brought on to link up play as we were starting to go stagnant in midfield and we were coming predictable with the long ball to Rickie, and IMO he done that job well.

 

The Witch hunt continues.

[Whitey Grandad]

You can't blame him today.

[Glasgow_Saint]

Slowed the tempo, stupid handball, yellow card, weak (typical) powder shot a keeper, gifted them the 3rd goal and inspires nobody! All in 10 mins

 

Complete waste of space and our worst player

 

* tonight was not his fault, but when he came on he killed any chance of us levelling imho

[obelisk]

If we weren't chasing the game then I suppose you could say he did well enough in parts. Average at best I'd say given the circumstances and the job he was given.

[Bensfcno1]

Slowed the tempo, stupid handball, yellow card, weak (typical) powder shot a keeper, gifted them the 3rd goal and inspires nobody! All in 10 mins

 

Complete waste of space and our worst player

 

* tonight was not his fault, but when he came on he killed any chance of us levelling imho

 

Pretty sure fonte and kelvin gifted them the third!

[Crazy Diamond]

There was one moment where we had the ball in midfield and were trying to build an attack. Guly had possession and time and was looking for options, and he chose to play an utterly pointless 3-yard sideways pass to Cork which lead to the move breaking down. It's obvious that NA brought him on to give us some better attacking options and he did absolutely nothing and was at fault for their third IMO.

 

Yep, that stood out for me unfortunately. Very little he could have done tonight to change things, but then again I never expected us to look any better when he came on which says a lot. I genuinely hope he turns it round but if he's going to contribute sod all like he has done in recent weeks then I don't want him on the bench let alone the pitch.

[Whitey Grandad]

Pretty sure fonte and kelvin gifted them the third!

 

That's what I thought? The situation looked retrievable but somehow we buggered it up.

[shirleysfc]

Slowed the tempo, stupid handball, yellow card, weak (typical) powder shot a keeper, gifted them the 3rd goal and inspires nobody! All in 10 mins

 

Complete waste of space and our worst player

 

* tonight was not his fault, but when he came on he killed any chance of us levelling imho

 

Glasgow in being a dinlo shocker!!

[monkadill]

Why do we all look at Gully as the scape goat - Chappers was poor despite his will, we lost yet we dominated, thecdefense leakev3 goals yet Gully was the cullprit -a team is about dimension!