Guly

[sfc1971]

Mr Coretse to Mr Adkins.. "If Guly Is fit he plays okay, He`s my signing he plays or I sack you"

[miserableoldgit]

Mr Coretse to Mr Adkins.. "If Guly Is fit he plays okay, He`s my signing he plays or I sack you"

Oh Dear. O.K. It is your OPINION so it must be respected.

[Glasgow_Saint]

Mr Coretse to Mr Adkins.. "If Guly Is fit he plays okay, He`s my signing he plays or I sack you"

 

Heard the same thing myself

[miserableoldgit]

Heard the same thing myself

Yes, well I am sure you did, and I am also sure that it gave you an erection.

[Crazy Diamond]

O.K. It is quite simple. If a player has a bad game then feel free to say so. There isn`t a player born who doesn`t have bad games. I just think that to just say that a player is completely **** all of the time, when that player has scored 11 goals and been credited with many assists in what is going to be (hopefully) a promotion season says more about the people who critisise than it does about the player concerned. I am not saying that Guly is brilliant, but I think that this continual slagging of a player who quite obviously does have something to offer (NA keeps picking him) is nothing short of pathetic. It is not just about opinions. If I said that MLT was a fat useless git who offered nothing to the team, would that just be accepted as my opinion? Or would I be pilloried as a lunatic? You can`t have it both ways.

 

I've said all along what you have said there. If he's done well, praise him. If he hasn't, and it's worthy of valid criticism, provide it.

 

I've also said that he's got a few goals and a few assists and that's to his credit. There's the praising part. He's also not played very well generally even when he has provided for the team. There's the criticism.

 

I'm now saying overall I'm unimpressed by him and in my opinion, based upon what I've seen and nothing more, I'm not sure he has a future with us. I really don't see what the problem is. It is much worse, again in my view, to just go around saying you can't criticise a player as it's not being a good fan. Someone had the audacity to say I'm not a 'true fan' for not liking the guy after a series of bad performances.

[miserableoldgit]

I've said all along what you have said there. If he's done well, praise him. If he hasn't, and it's worthy of valid criticism, provide it.

 

I've also said that he's got a few goals and a few assists and that's to his credit. There's the praising part. He's also not played very well generally even when he has provided for the team. There's the criticism.

 

I'm now saying overall I'm unimpressed by him and in my opinion, based upon what I've seen and nothing more, I'm not sure he has a future with us. I really don't see what the problem is. It is much worse, again in my view, to just go around saying you can't criticise a player as it's not being a good fan. Someone had the audacity to say I'm not a 'true fan' for not liking the guy after a series of bad performances.

But it is not a few goals. It`s 11. It is more than a few assists. This is the problem. If your are anti-Guly it`s a few. I personally think that eleven is quite a considerable contribution, but hey, that`s me.

[Crazy Diamond]

But it is not a few goals. It`s 11. It is more than a few assists. This is the problem. If your are anti-Guly it`s a few. I personally think that eleven is quite a considerable contribution, but hey, that`s me.

 

No you're right, 11 is more than a few, I take your point.

[SaintSteve]

Guly was **** yesterday, no doubt. But the Skates bossed the game for 20 mins once De Ridder came on. He offered nothing. Lallana was the only one who offered a threat and Cork was MoM.

 

On course for back to back promotions (when pretty much everyone would've accepted consolidation this season) I'm still inclined to trust Adkins' judgement unlike a lot of the clueless ****s on here.

 

Guly does not play well in frenetic games like a local derby; De Ridder was not given the ball early enough to threaten but did oK. To say Cork was MoM is a joke; too easily knocked off the ball and never has it under control - he is not good enough for the premiership for sure

[Glasgow_Saint]

A recent independant survey showed that 98% of fans (including players and management) do not rate Guly!

 

I think those in the 2% are either a bit slow or just want to be "different"

[miserableoldgit]

A recent independant survey showed that 98% of fans (including players and management) do not rate Guly!

 

I think those in the 2% are either a bit slow or just want to be "different"

Very funny! Now please grow up.

[miserableoldgit]

Guly does not play well in frenetic games like a local derby; De Ridder was not given the ball early enough to threaten but did oK. To say Cork was MoM is a joke; too easily knocked off the ball and never has it under control - he is not good enough for the premiership for sure

I have seen posts on here sying that AL was **** yesterday, and posts saying that he was MoM. What does that say about the value of "opinions?"

[Glasgow_Saint]

Very funny! Now please grow up.

 

You grow up

[miserableoldgit]

You grow up

No. YOU grow up!!

[Crazy Diamond]

Guly does not play well in frenetic games like a local derby; De Ridder was not given the ball early enough to threaten but did oK. To say Cork was MoM is a joke; too easily knocked off the ball and never has it under control - he is not good enough for the premiership for sure

 

Yes you certainly wouldn't get me agreeing with that any time soon. I have wondered whether losing Morgan contributed to our pretty poor display, partly because of what he provides in that role and what we then missed when he was taken off. Cork just never looked in control of the ball.

[Sour Mash]

A recent independant survey showed that 98% of fans (including players and management) do not rate Guly!

 

I think those in the 2% are either a bit slow or just want to be "different"

You think Adkins is a bit slow or just wants to be "different"? He obviously rates Guly. I wonder what he makes of the flack one of his players, that has played a significant role in getting us to the top of the league, gets every game?

[Whitey Grandad]

Yes you certainly wouldn't get me agreeing with that any time soon. I have wondered whether losing Morgan contributed to our pretty poor display, partly because of what he provides in that role and what we then missed when he was taken off. Cork just never looked in control of the ball.

 

It could be that the pre-match training revolved around Morgan being in midfield. The early injury would have changed all that, although after his early yellow I couldn't see him lasting the whole match.

[Glasgow_Saint]

You think Adkins is a bit slow or just wants to be "different"? He obviously rates Guly. I wonder what he makes of the flack one of his players, that has played a significant role in getting us to the top of the league, gets every game?

 

Why are you slagging off Nigel?

[Crazy Diamond]

It could be that the pre-match training revolved around Morgan being in midfield. The early injury would have changed all that, although after his early yellow I couldn't see him lasting the whole match.

 

Quite possibly. Whenever Hammond starts it tells me that we're expecting a proper midfield battle - take Millwall. Nigel mentioned how Josh Wright was dominant in midfield when we lost 3 - 2 to them in the Cup. Hammond then played 60 minutes at their place in the league fixture, was only brought off when we needed more attacking options and Sharp came on. A Hammond and Schneiderlin partnership for the game yesterday sounds retrospectively just what we needed. Morgan comes off, Cork comes on and the plan has to change.

[sotonian]

I rate Guly, i think you need an understanding of football to realise why nigel plays him every game, he adds link up play to our game, which was strongly missing when he went off, he is a class player, unfortunately he does look lazy, but if you watch a game back he actually works very hard, it cant be easy when he gets groaned at when he makes any mistake, for some reason other players seem to be allowed mistakes,

 

having said all that i think we should look to replace him, he will never be accepted by the majority of saints fans cause he is not the headless chicken type that most saints fans seem to love, dont know why some fans always have to have a hate figure, but i guess some of our fans seem to think, constant groaning and criticism helps motivate a player

[dune]

Mr Coretse to Mr Adkins.. "If Guly Is fit he plays okay, He`s my signing he plays or I sack you"

 

A bit like Delgado under Lowe. Except Delgado was never fit.

[Sour Mash]

I rate Guly, i think you need an understanding of football to realise why nigel plays him every game, he adds link up play to our game, which was strongly missing when he went off, he is a class player, unfortunately he does look lazy, but if you watch a game back he actually works very hard, it cant be easy when he gets groaned at when he makes any mistake, for some reason other players seem to be allowed mistakes,

 

having said all that i think we should look to replace him, he will never be accepted by the majority of saints fans cause he is not the headless chicken type that most saints fans seem to love, dont know why some fans always have to have a hate figure, but i guess some of our fans seem to think, constant groaning and criticism helps motivate a player

Best summing up of the Guly situation on here.

[S-Clarke]

I rate Guly, i think you need an understanding of football to realise why nigel plays him every game, he adds link up play to our game, which was strongly missing when he went off, he is a class player, unfortunately he does look lazy, but if you watch a game back he actually works very hard, it cant be easy when he gets groaned at when he makes any mistake, for some reason other players seem to be allowed mistakes,

 

having said all that i think we should look to replace him, he will never be accepted by the majority of saints fans cause he is not the headless chicken type that most saints fans seem to love, dont know why some fans always have to have a hate figure, but i guess some of our fans seem to think, constant groaning and criticism helps motivate a player

 

At last - some sense!!

[miserableoldgit]

At last - some sense!!

 

This

 

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[derry]

Guly seems to lack concentration at times and switches off. There are times he chases and tracks back but at other times he just doesn't see the dangerous situation developing. He does his best work by instinct which looks good when it comes off. His first touch lets him down far too often.

[Saint_John]

I rate Guly, i think you need an understanding of football to realise why nigel plays him every game, he adds link up play to our game, which was strongly missing when he went off, he is a class player, unfortunately he does look lazy, but if you watch a game back he actually works very hard, it cant be easy when he gets groaned at when he makes any mistake, for some reason other players seem to be allowed mistakes,

 

having said all that i think we should look to replace him, he will never be accepted by the majority of saints fans cause he is not the headless chicken type that most saints fans seem to love, dont know why some fans always have to have a hate figure, but i guess some of our fans seem to think, constant groaning and criticism helps motivate a player

 

This.

 

Some Saints fans have a shocking understanding of Football, they still think the "old school" way of a fixed 4-4-2 every game where every player only plays in his OWN square of the pitch and these fans look for some INDIVIDUAL skill to win a game. They seem to want Steve over Guly as right midfield only because he puts his head down and dribbles while running flat out ONLY when the ball "accidentally" arrives in his square.

 

However Football today is about playing different systems, e.g. "diamond" (which we NEVER play with Steve on the pitch, because he cannot play a role in that system), or "T" (3 advanced, 1 anchor in midfield) etc.

Guly can play lots of different roles in lots of different systems which makes him a better squad player for the TEAM.

 

Take a look at the league table there are 9 or 10 sides who have won 15-17 games this season (they all play fixed systems and win more than they lose etc). Ask yourself WHAT has put us on 23 wins this season ? What has taken us above those 9/10 sides.

It has been our ability to change systems and Guly ability to change roles has been very important to the team.

 

I just wish the thicko fans who know nothing about Football (tactics & systems) would lay off him, because they are in danger of wrecking the season with their stupid vendictive comments about Guly.

[miserableoldgit]

This.

 

Some Saints fans have a shocking understanding of Football, they still think the "old school" way of a fixed 4-4-2 every game where every player only plays in his OWN square of the pitch and these fans look for some INDIVIDUAL skill to win a game. They seem to want Steve over Guly as right midfield only because he puts his head down and dribbles while running flat out ONLY when the ball "accidentally" arrives in his square.

 

However Football today is about playing different systems, e.g. "diamond" (which we NEVER play with Steve on the pitch, because he cannot play a role in that system), or "T" (3 advanced, 1 anchor in midfield) etc.

Guly can play lots of different roles in lots of different systems which makes him a better squad player for the TEAM.

 

Take a look at the league table there are 9 or 10 sides who have won 15-17 games this season (they all play fixed systems and win more than they lose etc). Ask yourself WHAT has put us on 23 wins this season ? What has taken us above those 9/10 sides.

It has been our ability to change systems and Guly ability to change roles has been very important to the team.

 

I just wish the thicko fans who know nothing about Football (tactics & systems) would lay off him, because they are in danger of wrecking the season with their stupid vendictive comments about Guly.

You`re in for it now! Just wait until the "Guly is ****" brigade come at you with their constructive demolition of your sensible post.

[rick1976.4.38]

for some reason every season saints fans need a hate figure,sadly its guly this season.im always of the thought,if you are wearing the red and white of southampton then you support them.gulys touch does let him down sadly but his overall game is good.some of the chances lallana misses or his extra touch when he should shoot or pass no one gets on his back,so please for the last 5 games of this season get behind guly and lets get over the finishing line,after all guly has contributed to where we are.coys

[Smirking_Saint]

Smirking Saint contradicting himself on the De Ridder thread.

 

"Tbf it was lucky we got a corner out of it, it was terrible from SDR rabbit in headlights stuff, guly would have tested keeper"

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?36998-De-Ridder&p=1323406#post1323406

 

Do you actually know what you think at all? or are you just becoming one of those sad ****ers who just needs attention?

 

Lol

 

For all those that came back with a reply like this....

 

I was being Sarcastic you dopey b8stards, SDR was clueless

[sotonist]

I rate Guly, i think you need an understanding of football to realise why nigel plays him every game, he adds link up play to our game, which was strongly missing when he went off, he is a class player, unfortunately he does look lazy, but if you watch a game back he actually works very hard, it cant be easy when he gets groaned at when he makes any mistake, for some reason other players seem to be allowed mistakes,

This is how I felt when he was playing well and between him, Lallana and Cork we were passing the opposition off the pitch. Last few months his link up play seems to have mostly consisted of losing the ball by dwelling on it for too long or passing it to nobody. That kind of link up play I can do without. It might be that Cork's crisis of confidence and Lallana's gradual recovery from injury have meant he's a bit lost.

[Smirking_Saint]

This.

 

Some Saints fans have a shocking understanding of Football, they still think the "old school" way of a fixed 4-4-2 every game where every player only plays in his OWN square of the pitch and these fans look for some INDIVIDUAL skill to win a game. They seem to want Steve over Guly as right midfield only because he puts his head down and dribbles while running flat out ONLY when the ball "accidentally" arrives in his square.

 

However Football today is about playing different systems, e.g. "diamond" (which we NEVER play with Steve on the pitch, because he cannot play a role in that system), or "T" (3 advanced, 1 anchor in midfield) etc.

Guly can play lots of different roles in lots of different systems which makes him a better squad player for the TEAM.

 

Take a look at the league table there are 9 or 10 sides who have won 15-17 games this season (they all play fixed systems and win more than they lose etc). Ask yourself WHAT has put us on 23 wins this season ? What has taken us above those 9/10 sides.

It has been our ability to change systems and Guly ability to change roles has been very important to the team.

 

I just wish the thicko fans who know nothing about Football (tactics & systems) would lay off him, because they are in danger of wrecking the season with their stupid vendictive comments about Guly.

 

Spot on

 

Unfortunately most will now scream how bad Guly is as he doesnt aimlessly run around, unfortunately the average fan has no clue, and probably believes because morgan does not go forward or always kick an aimless pass forward he is useless.

 

In fact I expect they think Sharp is a quality signing, when in reality he just sits off the last man and IMO does not add anything or even fit into the way we play and seems to occupy the gaps Lambert usually finds.

 

We didnt want it yesterday, I am concerned that when teams mix it up with us we dont know what to do.

[CanadaSaint]

We didnt want it yesterday, I am concerned that when teams mix it up with us we dont know what to do.

 

Unfortunately, in that situation the talented Guly is one of the first to go missing in action. I like a lot of what he brings to the table but bringing it in pressure games/situations is not on the list.

[Smirking_Saint]

Unfortunately, in that situation the talented Guly is one of the first to go missing in action. I like a lot of what he brings to the table but bringing it in pressure games/situations is not on the list.

 

He did better than SDR and adds a lot of balance to the midfield diamond, none of our midfield wanted to be nasty even our suppossed enforcer hammond.

 

When teams press and become physical we dont play our way.

[Noodles34]

simple question really:

 

Who would you rather have for the rest of the games?

 

Guly

SDR

Chaplow or

Puncheon?

 

I know who i would rely on most, and he would probably score more goals and at the very least fight to win.

 

Chaplow.

[doddisalegend]

simple question really:

 

Who would you rather have for the rest of the games?

 

Guly

SDR

Chaplow or

Puncheon?

 

I know who i would rely on most, and he would probably score more goals and at the very least fight to win.

 

Chaplow.

 

Based on? Chaplows purple patch before Christmas no doubt? The same time Guly was having his purple patch when he scored 11 goals and several assists. Chaplow hasn't been anything to shout about since coming back from his injury...has he?

 

My answer is I tust Nigel to pick which ever of those four he thinks will work best for the system he wants to play based on what he sees in trainning every day.

[Thedelldays]

Either way . I could not give a ****

He is a unless ****

[JustMike]

Either way . I could not give a ****

He is a unless ****

 

Agree 100%, and I will also add that he looks uninterested.

[miserableoldgit]

Either way . I could not give a ****

He is a unless ****

 

Well thought out constructive argument. Well done you!

 

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[Mouldy Coat]

he has been utter **** since coming back into the fold.

 

I agree he has looked a yard off the pace at times but that could be down to lack of game time and match fitness. I think he has more to offer than SDR and Chaplow

[ALWAYS_SFC]

Either way . I could not give a ****

He is a unless ****

 

I`m sure many feel the same about you..

[ALWAYS_SFC]

I love how daring to be FAIR and criticise someone when they deserve it is being a bad fan. Where's the ****ing rule book on good fan conduct? Does it have a rule that says you have to be a blind moron and lose all common sense?

 

Fair criticism:rolleyes:....does not happen to much when Guly is discussed

[Saint Without a Halo]

Who scored the two goals when we last played and beat Palace? errrrrrrrrm Guly I believe!

[modern matron]

Either way . I could not give a ****

He is a unless ****

 

Why bother posting that?

 

You must really rate yourself as some sort of forum expert who loves to weirdly show off on here - 24465 posts says it all - get a life and recognise that this type of response is inflammatory and ridiculous. This is the time for unity and confidence not an attempt to destroy one of our players...COYR!

[ALWAYS_SFC]

Why bother posting that?

 

You must really rate yourself as some sort of forum expert who loves to weirdly show off on here - 24465 posts says it all - get a life and recognise that this type of response is inflammatory and ridiculous. This is the time for unity and confidence not an attempt to destroy one of our players...COYR!

 

Attention seeking at it`s best....

[modern matron]

I rate Guly, i think you need an understanding of football to realise why nigel plays him every game, he adds link up play to our game, which was strongly missing when he went off, he is a class player, unfortunately he does look lazy, but if you watch a game back he actually works very hard, it cant be easy when he gets groaned at when he makes any mistake, for some reason other players seem to be allowed mistakes,

 

having said all that i think we should look to replace him, he will never be accepted by the majority of saints fans cause he is not the headless chicken type that most saints fans seem to love, dont know why some fans always have to have a hate figure, but i guess some of our fans seem to think, constant groaning and criticism helps motivate a player

 

That makes a lot more sense to me.

[Saint Without a Halo]

Why bother posting that?

 

This is the time for unity and confidence not an attempt to destroy one of our players...COYR!

 

This

[dubai_phil]

Guly came off just after HT on Saturday. That will make him our most rested player.

 

Chaplow cannot start on the wing as we MUST have CM cover - Chaplow is not fully match fit and hasn't lasted a full 90 since his return, All very well wishing him to start RM but then I wish I could have a night with Jennifer Aniston. Chaplow HAS to be on the bench and fresh in case we get an injury/knock to DH or JC. The ONLY option I can see to that is Chappers STARTING in CM with DH or JC rested for the first 50/60mins ahead of the Reading game.

 

Puncheon has been pants, so I would not risk him from the start - giving him a 20 or 30 min run as an option to SDR - fine.

 

That leaves the key decision - Is RL really fit and worth risking? If he is then it's him & Billy up front with Guly RM. No argument about ability - Nige really doesn't have any other "SAFE" choice. If RL is in need of more recovery time then Guly starts up front with Sharp. Don't like that at all but Sharp & LB really are too similar in buzzing around nudges and flicks (polite way of saying the ball doesn't stick to them). At least when Guly plays up front the ball bounces further off him and sometimes a MF can pick up the loose ball!

 

Tonight's selection is about winning BOTH this AND the Reading game. Nige & the team have to look at what they have available, NOT what some fans want.

 

The same ones giving Guly sh1t now are the same ones who gave Puncheon sh1t.

 

Says it all really

[Asaint4ever]

Guly is gonna score the most important goal today! cant wait see the forum then. coys

[Whitey Grandad]

Guly came off just after HT on Saturday. That will make him our most rested player.

 

Some (not me) would say that's because he's lazy and doesn't run around much. At this stage of the season we just have to out our trust in Nigel and the team. They've got us into this position and I'm sure they know what's needed. I must admit to being a but of a wooss with away games. I just wait until the game's over and then look up the result.

[Mowgli]

Don't worry about Guly. Good players are unaffected by fans opinions as they only listen to their team mates and coaches who rate him highly. He can look after himself and has plenty of fans on here. For those who believe he has a 'play if fit' clause - grow up. It's not David Beckham we're talking about. Besides, cortese was not that enthused by the signing and did not think he would survive beyond division one. Neither did I if I'm honest. Glad he (and Hammond) proved me wrong.

 

There are some players who you simply cannot afford to leave out of the team if fit. Davis, Lallana, lambert are three that spring to mind

[dubai_phil]

Some (not me) would say that's because he's lazy and doesn't run around much. At this stage of the season we just have to out our trust in Nigel and the team. They've got us into this position and I'm sure they know what's needed. I must admit to being a but of a wooss with away games. I just wait until the game's over and then look up the result.

 

What we need is someone with access to opta stats (or whatever system we use).....

 

That should shut a few up I would imagine