SaintBobby Posted 5 April, 2012 Share Posted 5 April, 2012 The latest issue of FFT has another of those interminable lists. They've done these things to death. The top 100 matches, the top 100 upsets, the top 100 types of boot polish etc etc Well, this issue they have the top 50 players in the Football League. Peter Wittingham wins it. Lallana is no. 2. Rickie is no. 3. The other Saints are Sharp at 12 and Guly at 27. Shows how daft these lists are really.... (Morgan, Kelvin and Fonte are all in top 50 for my money. Not so sure Billy or Guly are). But then these list things are only designed to generate debate/discussion/outrage, so I've fallen right into their trap.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_lambden Posted 5 April, 2012 Share Posted 5 April, 2012 Izale McLeod is 13th. A league 2 player, 13th Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 5 April, 2012 Share Posted 5 April, 2012 Any list like this without Lallana or Lambert as number 1 is a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 5 April, 2012 Share Posted 5 April, 2012 If Kelvin and Jos aren't in the top 50 then I'm the blonde girl with the nervous disposition, cute nose, pert buds and strange vagina that I just saw in The Griffin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Diamond Posted 5 April, 2012 Share Posted 5 April, 2012 I know the guys at FourFourTwo and I'm usually their Southampton go-to person. Didn't consult me on this one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 5 April, 2012 Share Posted 5 April, 2012 Have they ever done a Top 50 lists list? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Posted 5 April, 2012 Share Posted 5 April, 2012 How on earth can they not have Rickie as no.1? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 5 April, 2012 Share Posted 5 April, 2012 FFS the top 25, at least, should be Saints players. Disgrace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostBoys Posted 5 April, 2012 Share Posted 5 April, 2012 Rickie by a country mile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorpe-le-Saint Posted 6 April, 2012 Share Posted 6 April, 2012 FFS the top 25, at least, should be Saints players. Disgrace. You should read the interview they do with Bagpuss; it's like 04/05 has been wiped from the history of space and time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 6 April, 2012 Share Posted 6 April, 2012 These lists are always biased towards goalscorers as are most football awards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Saints Posted 6 April, 2012 Share Posted 6 April, 2012 Peter Whittingham is better than Rickie Lambert? **** off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 6 April, 2012 Share Posted 6 April, 2012 Peter Whittingham is better than Rickie Lambert? **** off. He's played consistently well in the championship over several seasons, Lambert has had one good season. What's the problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 6 April, 2012 Share Posted 6 April, 2012 How on earth can they not have Rickie as no.1? Believe it or not, not everyone thinks anyone who plays for Saints is the greatest person to have ever lived. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 6 April, 2012 Share Posted 6 April, 2012 If Kelvin and Jos aren't in the top 50 then I'm the blonde girl with the nervous disposition, cute nose, pert buds and strange vagina that I just saw in The Griffin. I'm surprised someone with a private education and superb career would frequent such establishments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whizzpop Posted 6 April, 2012 Share Posted 6 April, 2012 Just had a nose at the mag in my local Tesco Express, Bradley Wright Phillips is rated higher than Kevin Phillips, and Jay Rodriguez. In my opinion this is the poorest rated top 50 players poll they have carried out in recent years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceandfriendly Posted 6 April, 2012 Share Posted 6 April, 2012 He's played consistently well in the championship over several seasons, Lambert has had one good season. What's the problem? I imagine his problem is that he thinks Rickie Lambert is better than Peter Whittingham, and he'd be right. But you know, I'm just suggesting. Hope it helps you in some way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 6 April, 2012 Share Posted 6 April, 2012 I imagine his problem is that he thinks Rickie Lambert is better than Peter Whittingham, and he'd be right. But you know, I'm just suggesting. Hope it helps you in some way. Would he be right? In your biased opinion maybe and that of other Saints fan, that is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 6 April, 2012 Share Posted 6 April, 2012 Would he be right? In your biased opinion maybe and that of other Saints fan, that is all. Probably also in the opinion of those who voted him Football League Player of the Year. I'd have thought so, anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 6 April, 2012 Share Posted 6 April, 2012 Probably also in the opinion of those who voted him Football League Player of the Year. I'd have thought so, anyway. Let's remember that Whittingham has been good over a few seasons, if RL repeats his performance next season he might be able to claim he's the best. One season does not a legend make, just ask Micheal Ricketts and Jonathan Stead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 6 April, 2012 Share Posted 6 April, 2012 Let's remember that Whittingham has been good over a few seasons, if RL repeats his performance next season he might be able to claim he's the best. One season does not a legend make, just ask Micheal Ricketts and Jonathan Stead. Did the Football League get their awards wrong then? Someone should tell RL he needs to give his trophy to Peter Whittingham, if that's the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 6 April, 2012 Share Posted 6 April, 2012 Do a poll amongst the other clubs, ask them who they would take out of whitingham or lambert... There would lie your answer. Smart money is on Rickie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 6 April, 2012 Share Posted 6 April, 2012 Did the Football League get their awards wrong then? Someone should tell RL he needs to give his trophy to Peter Whittingham, if that's the case. The awards were for player of the year, which he has been. It doesn't mean he's the best, it means he's been the best this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 6 April, 2012 Share Posted 6 April, 2012 Do a poll amongst the other clubs, ask them who they would take out of whitingham or lambert... There would lie your answer. My money is on Rickie! And I bet Cardiff fans would say Whittingham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 6 April, 2012 Share Posted 6 April, 2012 The awards were for player of the year, which he has been. It doesn't mean he's the best, it means he's been the best this year. Well I'm sure I don't understand that logic. Its all very well having been good in a certain league over previous years. But any poll of "who is the best player in the league" relies on current form, not past form over previous years. Its a bit like saying Frank Lampard is the best player in the Premier League right now, as he's proved it over so many previous years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 6 April, 2012 Share Posted 6 April, 2012 And I bet Cardiff fans would say Whittingham. Obviously, but who would the 22 other clubs say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 6 April, 2012 Share Posted 6 April, 2012 Well I'm sure I don't understand that logic. Its all very well having been good in a certain league over previous years. But any poll of "who is the best player in the league" relies on current form, not past form over previous years. Its a bit like saying Frank Lampard is the best player in the Premier League right now, as he's proved it over so many previous years. Not at all. Whittingham came 2nd of 3rd I believe, so he's consistently performed in this league at a very good level. Lambert has performed well for one season. If he is consistently in the top 2 or 3 over a period of 3-4 years then you he can claim to be the best. Van Persie has been better than Rooney this season, yet which one would most people say is the better player? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 6 April, 2012 Share Posted 6 April, 2012 Not at all. Whittingham came 2nd of 3rd I believe, so he's consistently performed in this league at a very good level. Lambert has performed well for one season. If he is consistently in the top 2 or 3 over a period of 3-4 years then you he can claim to be the best. Van Persie has been better than Rooney this season, yet which one would most people say is the better player? Honestly? Right now I'd say van Persie. If I was putting together a Premier League XI they'd perhaps play up front together, but RVP's record this season has been incredible and he's been (for my money) the best striker in the league by some distance. So if I had to say, who is the better player, right now I'd say the Dutchman. Of course, this typE of reasoning means that opinions can change quite regularly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 6 April, 2012 Share Posted 6 April, 2012 Honestly? Right now I'd say van Persie. If I was putting together a Premier League XI they'd perhaps play up front together, but RVP's record this season has been incredible and he's been (for my money) the best striker in the league by some distance. So if I had to say, who is the better player, right now I'd say the Dutchman. Of course, this typE of reasoning means that opinions can change quite regularly. I rest my case. You say it yourself RIGHT NOW. Who has been better over the last 5 seasons? Lambert is the best player in the league RIGHT NOW but like Rooney, Whittingham has been good at this level over the last 3 or 4 seasons. If it was a top 50 of RIGHT NOWs Lambert wins, but it isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 6 April, 2012 Share Posted 6 April, 2012 I rest my case. You say it yourself RIGHT NOW. Who has been better over the last 5 seasons? Lambert is the best player in the league RIGHT NOW but like Rooney, Whittingham has been good at this level over the last 3 or 4 seasons. If it was a top 50 of RIGHT NOWs Lambert wins, but it isn't. Of course its right now. It has to be. You can't go back over a few seasons, otherwise you rule out players who've been good in this league but either gone off the boil, or who have been promoted. And you're ruling Lambert out from your selection criteria simply because he hasn't played in this division before. Any poll of best player is going to be on a right now basis rather than looking at previous years. Otherwise the question would be "who has consistently been the best player in the Championship over the past 3 or 4 years". That isn't the question being asked. It is "who is the best player", as in of today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 6 April, 2012 Share Posted 6 April, 2012 The krakman makes a good point... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 6 April, 2012 Share Posted 6 April, 2012 The krakman makes a good point... Cheers Roadie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 6 April, 2012 Share Posted 6 April, 2012 Of course its right now. It has to be. You can't go back over a few seasons, otherwise you rule out players who've been good in this league but either gone off the boil, or who have been promoted. And you're ruling Lambert out from your selection criteria simply because he hasn't played in this division before. Any poll of best player is going to be on a right now basis rather than looking at previous years. Otherwise the question would be "who has consistently been the best player in the Championship over the past 3 or 4 years". That isn't the question being aske d. It is "who is the best player", as in of today. No it isn't. It's who is the best, not who has been the best this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 6 April, 2012 Share Posted 6 April, 2012 No it isn't. It's who is the best, not who has been the best this season. so it's 'who is' and not 'who has been the best' ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 6 April, 2012 Share Posted 6 April, 2012 No it isn't. It's who is the best, not who has been the best this season. This is going round in circles. Best to leave it and agree to disagree. I'm obvously right,though...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 6 April, 2012 Share Posted 6 April, 2012 Look forward to THE game boys. Not long to go! (rubs hands.... Or is it knuckles) violence is bad, just for the record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 6 April, 2012 Share Posted 6 April, 2012 so it's 'who is' and not 'who has been the best' ? Andy Cole had a couple of season where he scored more goals than Alan Shearer, but who was the best striker? Cole might have been better for a season here and there but Shearer proved himself better over 10 seasons. 99% of people will agree, yes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 6 April, 2012 Share Posted 6 April, 2012 Andy Cole had a couple of season where he scored more goals than Alan Shearer, but who was the best striker? Cole might have been better for a season here and there but Shearer proved himself better over 10 seasons. See your point but it's not a retrospective poll, it's a current one. Like I said earlier, if you asked the 24 clubs who they'd rather have in their team out of Rickie and whitingham, I reckon just one club would say whitingham and that's Cardiff. The fact that Rickie got more votes in the poll suggests people CURRENTLY value lambert higher than whitingham. This is decisive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 6 April, 2012 Share Posted 6 April, 2012 See your point but it's not a retrospective poll, it's a current one. Like I said earlier, if you asked the 24 clubs who they'd rather have in their team out of Rickie and whitingham, I reckon just one club would say whitingham and that's Cardiff. The fact that Rickie got more votes in the poll suggests people CURRENTLY value lambert higher than whitingham. This is decisive. It isn't though, it's who is the best player, not who is the best player now. And whoever voted in that poll voted Whittingham,who has been good over a few seasons. That, my friend, is decisive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 6 April, 2012 Share Posted 6 April, 2012 It isn't though, it's who is the best player, not who is the best player now. And whoever voted in that poll voted Whittingham,who has been good over a few seasons. That, my friend, is decisive. We'll have to agree to disagree on this one. The football league got it right, 442 didn't. Up the Saints! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 6 April, 2012 Share Posted 6 April, 2012 We'll have to agree to disagree on this one. The football league got it right, 442 didn't. Up the Saints! FWIW I'd rather have Lambert too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Fred Posted 6 April, 2012 Share Posted 6 April, 2012 Not at all. Whittingham came 2nd of 3rd I believe, so he's consistently performed in this league at a very good level. Lambert has performed well for one season. If he is consistently in the top 2 or 3 over a period of 3-4 years then you he can claim to be the best. Van Persie has been better than Rooney this season, yet which one would most people say is the better player? But hold on this was a Football League best player not the championship best player so all those goals Rickie scored over the last couple of years should come into it by this logic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreemantleSaint Posted 7 April, 2012 Share Posted 7 April, 2012 I reckon that Davis, Richardson, Hooiveld and Fonte have to be in the top 50 football league players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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