saint_disco123 Posted 3 April, 2012 Share Posted 3 April, 2012 It seems to me that some fans don't think billy sharp is up to the standard that we all thought we was going to be, let me just make a point: Billy has recently lost his son and I feel that (in my opinion) maybe this might of Drained his confidence in playing as a footballer, neither did the big move from a team who were 2nd bottom to the team who were 2nd top giving him a big challenge to do help as well. When I went to the west ham game I saw his face after he missed that sitter and I knew that he was gutted but while I was watching the blackpool game on TV and they showed his face when he was about to take that penalty and all I could see was a nervous unconfident striker who then went on to do a pretty poor penalty. As i've made out Billy just needs some confidence and I know he would start getting that ball in the back of the net. I just feel some lot on here are too quick to judge on him, he's only been here 3 months and i know he hasnt had the best of starts but im sure he will get back to his scoring ways and what better way to do it then a hattrick againts the skates! Do I feel that he is a good striker? yes Do i feel he could make it in the prem if we go up? yes COYRS WIFM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 3 April, 2012 Share Posted 3 April, 2012 He scored twice against Doncaster (although he also missed a sitter). There was no need for him to lack confidence against Blackpool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 3 April, 2012 Share Posted 3 April, 2012 it was just a poor penalty....just like lamberts winner against mill wall..just that the keeper dived the right way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beavis17 Posted 3 April, 2012 Share Posted 3 April, 2012 Did he not score twice the week before though? Of course it will take him a while to settle and fit in with the way we play. Lots of top class players miss penalties so no player should be criticised on that anyway. Sharp is a decent player and we'll witness that over the next 6 matches... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 3 April, 2012 Share Posted 3 April, 2012 I don't think he's short of confidence and he hit the target with the penalty. It's also hardly his fault we didn't pass the ball anywhere near him for the remaining 70 minutes. He's already proven he can score goals from limited opportunities and this week Adkins will have been building the team's pattern around him rather than Lambert as the main striker just in case, so we won't be playing the ball at his head or expecting him to link play in the middle. Shame one of his skills is creating space for others when we might not have anyone who can exploit that. Let's face it, if he scores on Saturday and we win he's half way to legend status already with some of our fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 3 April, 2012 Share Posted 3 April, 2012 Not seen enough of him to form an opinion yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 3 April, 2012 Share Posted 3 April, 2012 I'm fairly sure someone would have mentioned where his focus SHOULD have been for the penalty in the debrief the next day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgehog Posted 3 April, 2012 Share Posted 3 April, 2012 When taking his penalty i don't think it was nerves, some say he kept looking towards the ref, I can't really remember. But I think this is a tactic that Rickie uses, and MLT did, ie. they would look away from the ball before runnning up so as not to give the goalie a clue as to which way they will be going. In Sharps case the goalie went the right way. Could just as well happen to any penalty taker. As for general play, he isn't going to score if he isn't given the service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 3 April, 2012 Share Posted 3 April, 2012 When taking his penalty i don't think it was nerves, some say he kept looking towards the ref, I can't really remember. But I think this is a tactic that Rickie uses, and MLT did, ie. they would look away from the ball before runnning up so as not to give the goalie a clue as to which way they will be going. In Sharps case the goalie went the right way. Could just as well happen to any penalty taker. As for general play, he isn't going to score if he isn't given the service. I looked up about 7 or 8 YouTubes of Billy Sharp penalties, think 6 out of 8 (or 7) went to exactly the same place as the one on Saturday.Gilks had him sussed, never mind looking at the ref or not.Goalies do their homework as well you know. Now Rickie blasts them all over the shop, most of them would take the keeper with them if he got to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 3 April, 2012 Share Posted 3 April, 2012 The premise of this thread is based on a preconceived judgement that there IS something wrong. That is what the title says. There is no purpose in a discussion that appears to be aimed at undermining one particular player. I'd close this down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 3 April, 2012 Share Posted 3 April, 2012 There was an analysis of PL penalties this season in the Sunday Times this week which showed that penalty takers have a higher success rate when they hit the ball high into the net. I found this a little surprising but the stats were clear. Billy Sharp's penalty was a good height for the keeper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 3 April, 2012 Share Posted 3 April, 2012 Sharp plays poorly in a v.poor team performance and we get 10 threads questioning his abilty....... Guly plays awful nearly all season and avoids any questions....... Have we simply accepted that Guly is awful and now no longer question his poor form while for Sharp we expect better??? If the former Or the latter - get behind the team ffs!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyLove Posted 3 April, 2012 Share Posted 3 April, 2012 Personally it looks like a mental issue rather than a skill based one. It might have something to do with still being rather cut up about the death of his little boy, it has recently re-surfaced again in the media and also he's been doing alot of stuff for the charity they have setup in his name. FFS give the guy a bit of a break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dronskisaint Posted 3 April, 2012 Share Posted 3 April, 2012 Sharp plays poorly in a v.poor team performance and we get 10 threads questioning his abilty....... Guly plays awful nearly all season and avoids any questions....... Have we simply accepted that Guly is awful and now no longer question his poor form while for Sharp we expect better??? If the former Or the latter - get behind the team ffs!!!! Or accept that they're both quality players who have both scored double figures this season so far and who both wear a Saints shirt.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 3 April, 2012 Share Posted 3 April, 2012 There was an analysis of PL penalties this season in the Sunday Times this week which showed that penalty takers have a higher success rate when they hit the ball high into the net. I found this a little surprising but the stats were clear. Billy Sharp's penalty was a good height for the keeper. totally unsurprising, keepers dive down and not up for penalties.If the ball is about about 1m/1m30 when it gets to them they have a miniscule chance of stopping it. If you hit it low you either have to go to the side that the keeper doesn't or just inside the post.Providing he'd chosen the right side Gilks would have had Dobbie's penalty as well although it was far closer to the post than Billy's. Anyway if we get a penalty on Saturday and Rickie's not on the field please please don't let Sharp take it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 3 April, 2012 Share Posted 3 April, 2012 Awful nearly all season? If anyone had been awful nearly all season and played that many games, we wouldn't have remained top 2. Guly was a huge part of our rise to the top and a bit part of many goals. Bet he has a big part left to play in the remaining 6 too. Spot on it's crazy to question Sharp after a bad team display. Just as it was ridiculous to question Falque for appearing in 45 mins of an awful team display. That doesn't make it right to take every opportunity to slag off Guly. Again, one of our least poor performers on Saturday. Falque is **** though agreed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 3 April, 2012 Share Posted 3 April, 2012 Falque is **** though agreed? How could we possibly know that, he's played just the once on a evening when none of the side were very good and that's a euphemism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 3 April, 2012 Share Posted 3 April, 2012 How could we possibly know that, he's played just the once on a evening when none of the side were very good and that's a euphemism. I meant 'the sh1t' not **** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 3 April, 2012 Share Posted 3 April, 2012 When taking his penalty i don't think it was nerves, some say he kept looking towards the ref, I can't really remember. But I think this is a tactic that Rickie uses, and MLT did, ie. they would look away from the ball before runnning up so as not to give the goalie a clue as to which way they will be going. In Sharps case the goalie went the right way. Could just as well happen to any penalty taker. As for general play, he isn't going to score if he isn't given the service. He absolutely did - on several occasions, and shockingly he did it again just as he started his run up. I instantly said "Nooooo!" to my son because he and I have had the discussion on many occasions that a high proportion of players who don't focus solely on the goal when they take a penalty (and just listen for the whistle) end up missing. Maybe Ricky and Le Tiss did it but it certainly never struck me about them, and I watch for it. There's 192 square feet to aim at, just twelve yards away, and much of it is completely out of the keeper's reach. At this skill level no tricks should be needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 3 April, 2012 Share Posted 3 April, 2012 I predict he will be hero on this same forum in just 4 days time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terry hurlock Posted 3 April, 2012 Share Posted 3 April, 2012 Whatever you're opinion of him please try your best to encourage him. It doesn't help him or the team. Encourage! Support! If things don't work out- keep encouraging. No one means to mess up. Getting on players backs only helps the opposition. We're all in this together- whether we like certain players or not. Plenty of times ive wanted to call guly a useless t*t but what will it acheive? It only destroys a players confidence. Once they move on from saints then slag them off til you feel stuffed but whilst they wear the red and white then they have to have our full support. And a bit of man love. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 3 April, 2012 Share Posted 3 April, 2012 I predict he will be hero on this same forum in just 4 days time ^this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 3 April, 2012 Share Posted 3 April, 2012 I predict he will be hero on this same forum in just 4 days time I hope you're right. He certainly took his chances well against Donny and could have had a couple on Saturday. If those had gone in he'd already be a hero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 3 April, 2012 Share Posted 3 April, 2012 There was an analysis of PL penalties this season in the Sunday Times this week which showed that penalty takers have a higher success rate when they hit the ball high into the net. I found this a little surprising but the stats were clear. Billy Sharp's penalty was a good height for the keeper. Of course high penalties have a higher success rate WHEN they go in, goalkeepers don't jump for the top corners - but the stats don't show how many penalty misses occur due to players trying to lift the ball and missing altogether. If you hit the target you've got a better than 50% chance of scoring, if you miss it whilst trying to put it in the roof of the net you have 0%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 3 April, 2012 Share Posted 3 April, 2012 The problem is our bloody midfield. To many sideways passes. They aren't creating enough chances for our strikers. When lambert plays he drops back into the midfield a lot and we seem to play a more direct style. We've recently started neglecting the wings and playing a narrow game. Remember when our two wingers would virtually stand on the touchline? SDR should start on the wing. He's our only true winger and will cause problems. Otherwise we're just to one dimensional. I guess we keep trying to change our tactics but maybe a bog standard 4-4-2 will do? De Ridder was out wide, hugging the touchline and a complete failure on Saturday. Lallana came inside, played across the middle a bit, and achieved little more. I'd have been happy with sideways passes in advanced position on Saturday, as opposed to basically no passes in the attacking third. Going down the middle on Saturday was a smart tactic on paper, Blackpool usually play 4-3-3 meaning they can only have one man in the middle - in practice though they put their 3 very narrow against us and we couldn't get the wingers involved due to our passing being below par, the pitch and their pressing. The two times we did get down the middle we won the penalty and Guly chipped just wide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW11_Saint Posted 3 April, 2012 Share Posted 3 April, 2012 Billy's a Saint, simple as. We support every player who pulls on the red and white. Together as one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 3 April, 2012 Share Posted 3 April, 2012 Or accept that they're both quality players who have both scored double figures this season so far and who both wear a Saints shirt.... Hallelujah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 3 April, 2012 Share Posted 3 April, 2012 hear this Billy..the way back and into Saints legend-status is to score vital goals against POMPEY ! You may not score in every game - no-one does, but goals against " the old enemy" are remembered by everyone forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 3 April, 2012 Share Posted 3 April, 2012 Do I think he will come good for us in the remainign games = Yes Do I think he is ready for the premiershipe = No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danbert Posted 3 April, 2012 Share Posted 3 April, 2012 it was just a poor penalty....just like lamberts winner against mill wall..just that the keeper dived the right way I've seen videos of that penalty and it's clear from them that the keeper began to move before Rickie struck the ball. He deliberately placed it where the keeper wasn't - not what Sharp did at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 3 April, 2012 Share Posted 3 April, 2012 I've seen videos of that penalty and it's clear from them that the keeper began to move before Rickie struck the ball. He deliberately placed it where the keeper wasn't - not what Sharp did at all. behave mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danbert Posted 3 April, 2012 Share Posted 3 April, 2012 behave mate S'true though, only saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMojoRisin Posted 4 April, 2012 Share Posted 4 April, 2012 He scored twice against Doncaster (although he also missed a sitter). There was no need for him to lack confidence against Blackpool. Tell me about it I had Sharp 3-0 on my betting slip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 4 April, 2012 Share Posted 4 April, 2012 It seems to me that some fans don't think billy sharp is up to the standard that we all thought we was going to be, let me just make a point: Billy has recently lost his son and I feel that (in my opinion) maybe this might of Drained his confidence in playing as a footballer, neither did the big move from a team who were 2nd bottom to the team who were 2nd top giving him a big challenge to do help as well. When I went to the west ham game I saw his face after he missed that sitter and I knew that he was gutted but while I was watching the blackpool game on TV and they showed his face when he was about to take that penalty and all I could see was a nervous unconfident striker who then went on to do a pretty poor penalty. As i've made out Billy just needs some confidence and I know he would start getting that ball in the back of the net. I just feel some lot on here are too quick to judge on him, he's only been here 3 months and i know he hasnt had the best of starts but im sure he will get back to his scoring ways and what better way to do it then a hattrick againts the skates! Do I feel that he is a good striker? yes Do i feel he could make it in the prem if we go up? yes COYRS WIFM Great post. Heartily agree. Some of our fans are w*nkers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 4 April, 2012 Share Posted 4 April, 2012 Billy Sharp to get two or three goals against Pompey in our 4-0 win... He is a top goalscorer who is ready to put them away on Saturday... Billy boy will grab the headlines and we will march on to promotion.. WIFM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 4 April, 2012 Share Posted 4 April, 2012 De Ridder was out wide, hugging the touchline and a complete failure on Saturday. Lallana came inside, played across the middle a bit, and achieved little more. I'd have been happy with sideways passes in advanced position on Saturday, as opposed to basically no passes in the attacking third. Going down the middle on Saturday was a smart tactic on paper, Blackpool usually play 4-3-3 meaning they can only have one man in the middle - in practice though they put their 3 very narrow against us and we couldn't get the wingers involved due to our passing being below par, the pitch and their pressing. The two times we did get down the middle we won the penalty and Guly chipped just wide. Agree but I think you are a bit harsh on DeRidder as he needs the passes to release him and just playing off scraps. I think we either pass him in or don't play him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 4 April, 2012 Share Posted 4 April, 2012 Agree but I think you are a bit harsh on DeRidder as he needs the passes to release him and just playing off scraps. I think we either pass him in or don't play him. We certainly passed a few behind him on Saturday evening. He did also over-run the ball at his feet a few times and wasn't getting past people and sticking crosses in like we've seen previously. I actually rate De Ridder but he's a long way short of even reasonable expectations so far, with the exception of his West Brom pre-season appearance, goals at Cardiff and Reading and that one game a couple of months back where he launched cross after cross (could have been Palace, Blackpool, Hull or Ipswich) he's really not done all that much for Saints yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 4 April, 2012 Share Posted 4 April, 2012 We certainly passed a few behind him on Saturday evening. He did also over-run the ball at his feet a few times and wasn't getting past people and sticking crosses in like we've seen previously. I actually rate De Ridder but he's a long way short of even reasonable expectations so far, with the exception of his West Brom pre-season appearance, goals at Cardiff and Reading and that one game a couple of months back where he launched cross after cross (could have been Palace, Blackpool, Hull or Ipswich) he's really not done all that much for Saints yet. De ridder, with time, will come good! He's got all the ingredients, when they all click, we will have a very effective footballer on our hands. Heck, Henry was **** for half a season before becoming one I the leagues all time best players... Not saying his talent is akin but, he's had too much stop start and also butterfield never passes to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjsaint Posted 4 April, 2012 Share Posted 4 April, 2012 Without downplaying how terrible he was against Blackpool, we need to give him a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 4 April, 2012 Share Posted 4 April, 2012 For a guy with big legs and a low centre of gravity, I expected his first 10-20 yards to be much faster. That's how he'll get a lot of his chances. I don't think we'll see the best of Sharp until next season when he really will be much fitter. You can't rectify a fitness deficit in a few weeks near the end of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 4 April, 2012 Share Posted 4 April, 2012 Without downplaying how terrible he was against Blackpool, we need to give him a chance. agree with that part, but I'm glad I didn't have to choose M.O.M ....'cos he wasn't the only one... by a long way ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 4 April, 2012 Share Posted 4 April, 2012 agree with that part, but I'm glad I didn't have to choose M.O.M ....'cos he wasn't the only one... by a long way ! From what I've seen we'd have got the same result by passing to one of those free kick dummies,they couldn't control the ball either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 7 April, 2012 Share Posted 7 April, 2012 Quiet on this thread tonight... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 7 April, 2012 Share Posted 7 April, 2012 Tell you what he pretty good. Another brace on Monday and Friday and we will be happy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 7 April, 2012 Share Posted 7 April, 2012 It angers me that certain fans have nothing better to do but knock our players . Maybe it's the way they are taught at school these days . There are several threads after todays game having a go at players . Yes I'm annoyed at drawing but I think what annoyed more than anything was the commentator on the stream and the useless ref who should have sent Allan off . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 8 April, 2012 Share Posted 8 April, 2012 see my earlier comments on # 31.... Without those two goals yesterday, we would have been pointless! I rest my case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammysaint Posted 8 April, 2012 Share Posted 8 April, 2012 Billy Sharp has one poor game on tv people moan, he has scored 4 in last 4 games, yesterday done bugger all except score and guess what hes paid to do that, im happy with sharp should we go up he would be good, but it depends on what nigel does, for me i would give Sharp Lee Lambert and sign a young quick striker as are attack with singing a quick RW who can cross the ball better then SDR so if we play with Lambo and Sharp a slowish attack we have pace on the wings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 8 April, 2012 Share Posted 8 April, 2012 @billysharp10: Happy easter to all my portsmouth fans who have been abusing me some r sick some were drunk some r thick,and some just havin banter. #EGGS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hodds Posted 8 April, 2012 Share Posted 8 April, 2012 Thought sharp had a great game yesterday. Worked really hard (needed to due to ricky struggling with his injury) , some good build up play and scoring 2 goals. Can see him getting more important goals now until the end of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggles31 Posted 8 April, 2012 Share Posted 8 April, 2012 He's a great player. 4 goals already. Can't believe people had began trying to write him off. Laughable really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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