Lighthouse Posted 1 April, 2012 Share Posted 1 April, 2012 So Southampton Football Club have chuff all to with the City of Southampton and it's history! Tut! Bloody Belgians It does. Then again so does Hedge End Primary School, Airport Parkway Train Station and the Greggs on the High Street. All in Southampton and very important to it's inhabitants but I doubt any of those places will be having a minutes silence. P.S. Belgian? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 1 April, 2012 Share Posted 1 April, 2012 This is a great post and sums it up beautifully. There is a lot of frothing at the mouth from the usual suspects who I suspect did naff all to commemorate the 99th, 98th or 80th, 75th or any other anniversary of this tragedy but are working themselves up in a frenzy about the club potentially ignoring it when it is being covered and marked comprehensively for anyone who wants to get involved elsewhere. The Titanic commemoration is not "remembrance" - it's a civic history event marking a convenient historical landmark, which the council are marking. Portsmouth can (and do) mark similar things relating to the Victory or the Mary Rose. It's the fabric of history, not the remembrance of anyone anyone alive actually knew. It is not required for the football club to do anything, much like the football club weren't required to send a hot air balloon up when the Balloon festival used to be on. Let the city mark the event. That's a tad facetious, marking the 100th anniversary is a notable milestone of an event that had a major effect on the folks of the City of Southampton. As a nation we don't, as a rule, follow the American let's mark the passing of any Tom, **** or Harriet, in fact as a nation we don't mark anything much (well for some bizarre reason St Patricks Day and Independence - from the UK for Christs sake- Day gets more airtime than St George's Day!!!) We don't have Happy Southampton Football Club day every year we had 100 and 125 years. Anyone raised in Southampton knows the city's connection to the sea and the history that it brings, The Sinking of the un Sinkable Titanic, a ship that carried the name of the City ( then town) Southampton on its stern, makes it a integral part of the History of the City. Southampton Football Club is part of the History of the city, should we return to the premiership we will once again be beamed into the homes of billions of people around the world, which makes the Football club an even bigger ambassador of the City and an integral institution within the city and it's history, if the club choose to mark a notable milestone in the City's history then it should be embraced not mocked. As a club we have already realised the frailty of having a minutes clapping or Silence for the passing of Mrs Miggings cat et al every other week that's why we have All Saints Day once a year. History is cast in the bin far too easily, without history we would be lesser people, (Americans have no history, what they had they tried to destroy, they now try to enhance their little history to gain culture). A simple minute to "doff your cap" in the direction of those who perished as part of the City's history every 100 years, is that really going to ruin the rest of your life? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 1 April, 2012 Share Posted 1 April, 2012 P.S. Belgian? Your location!!!.............. On your profile!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 1 April, 2012 Share Posted 1 April, 2012 Your location!!!.............. On your profile!! Yeah I wish. Haven't been to Spa since 2010. Best weekend I've ever had with my clothes on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW11_Saint Posted 2 April, 2012 Author Share Posted 2 April, 2012 That's a tad facetious, marking the 100th anniversary is a notable milestone of an event that had a major effect on the folks of the City of Southampton. As a nation we don't, as a rule, follow the American let's mark the passing of any Tom, **** or Harriet, in fact as a nation we don't mark anything much (well for some bizarre reason St Patricks Day and Independence - from the UK for Christs sake- Day gets more airtime than St George's Day!!!) We don't have Happy Southampton Football Club day every year we had 100 and 125 years. Anyone raised in Southampton knows the city's connection to the sea and the history that it brings, The Sinking of the un Sinkable Titanic, a ship that carried the name of the City ( then town) Southampton on its stern, makes it a integral part of the History of the City. Southampton Football Club is part of the History of the city, should we return to the premiership we will once again be beamed into the homes of billions of people around the world, which makes the Football club an even bigger ambassador of the City and an integral institution within the city and it's history, if the club choose to mark a notable milestone in the City's history then it should be embraced not mocked. As a club we have already realised the frailty of having a minutes clapping or Silence for the passing of Mrs Miggings cat et al every other week that's why we have All Saints Day once a year. History is cast in the bin far too easily, without history we would be lesser people, (Americans have no history, what they had they tried to destroy, they now try to enhance their little history to gain culture). A simple minute to "doff your cap" in the direction of those who perished as part of the City's history every 100 years, is that really going to ruin the rest of your life? Well said JBS, and saved me responding to CB. People seem to be making all sorts of daft analogies with other events. For me this would just be a respectful doth of the cap to a major event (perhaps THE major event?) to befall our city. And nobody supporting this CB is 'frothing at the mouth' as far as I can see - just putting forward reasonable, rather measured argument. If anything you are the only one getting a tad over excited, but that might have just been the late night... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 2 April, 2012 Share Posted 2 April, 2012 Explain how 5 minutes commemorating this before kick-off prevents everyone getting behind the team. Why have you got such a f**king problem about this ? I note you were the first to dismiss it on the original thread too. I take it you had no relatives on the Titanic, like many of us had. like may of us had, lol! Do me a favour! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 2 April, 2012 Share Posted 2 April, 2012 No because: - It has nothing to do with the football club. Yes a lot of the victims were from Southampton, but the Titanic had naff all to do with football. - If you want to remember the victims, do it. Go to one of the many memorials around the world and lay some flowers, stand in silence or whatever. Nobody is stopping you. - We're not remembering it, we're remembering the 100 year anniversary of it. It's just a nice convenient round number, why not remember the 87th anniversary? - I've already had to sit through 3 seperate minutes silences just for Gary Speed. West Ham had a minutes applause for Muamba and he wasn't even dead. It's getting silly, I have to draw the line somewhere. This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW11_Saint Posted 2 April, 2012 Author Share Posted 2 April, 2012 like may of us had, lol! Do me a favour! I have. Others will too. Stop being such a disrespectful little pr1ck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 2 April, 2012 Share Posted 2 April, 2012 is it wrong to be born and bred in southampton and feel no connection what so ever with the titanic...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 2 April, 2012 Share Posted 2 April, 2012 I have. Others will too. Stop being such a disrespectful little pr1ck. That constitutes "many" on here? Sorry for your loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 2 April, 2012 Share Posted 2 April, 2012 is it wrong to be born and bred in southampton and feel no connection what so ever with the titanic...? no, cant believe they are bringing it out again in 3D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 2 April, 2012 Share Posted 2 April, 2012 That's a tad facetious, marking the 100th anniversary is a notable milestone of an event that had a major effect on the folks of the City of Southampton. As a nation we don't, as a rule, follow the American let's mark the passing of any Tom, **** or Harriet, in fact as a nation we don't mark anything much (well for some bizarre reason St Patricks Day and Independence - from the UK for Christs sake- Day gets more airtime than St George's Day!!!) We don't have Happy Southampton Football Club day every year we had 100 and 125 years. Anyone raised in Southampton knows the city's connection to the sea and the history that it brings, The Sinking of the un Sinkable Titanic, a ship that carried the name of the City ( then town) Southampton on its stern, makes it a integral part of the History of the City. Southampton Football Club is part of the History of the city, should we return to the premiership we will once again be beamed into the homes of billions of people around the world, which makes the Football club an even bigger ambassador of the City and an integral institution within the city and it's history, if the club choose to mark a notable milestone in the City's history then it should be embraced not mocked. As a club we have already realised the frailty of having a minutes clapping or Silence for the passing of Mrs Miggings cat et al every other week that's why we have All Saints Day once a year. History is cast in the bin far too easily, without history we would be lesser people, (Americans have no history, what they had they tried to destroy, they now try to enhance their little history to gain culture). A simple minute to "doff your cap" in the direction of those who perished as part of the City's history every 100 years, is that really going to ruin the rest of your life? I think you may find the name Liverpool on its stern, which then weakens your argument greatly perhaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 2 April, 2012 Share Posted 2 April, 2012 I think you may find the name Liverpool on its stern, which then weakens your argument greatly perhaps? I stand corrected. Still at the end of the day she has always been associated with Southampton, and it was the largest peacetime Maritime disaster that had a devastating effect on what was a small seaside Spa town at the time. Still at the end of the day it's an event the vast majority of the City will recognise the anniversary of over the coming couple of weeks. I can't see what the issue is if the club does decide to do something prior to the Reading game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 2 April, 2012 Share Posted 2 April, 2012 I stand corrected. Still at the end of the day she has always been associated with Southampton, and it was the largest peacetime Maritime disaster that had a devastating effect on what was a small seaside Spa town at the time. Still at the end of the day it's an event the vast majority of the City will recognise the anniversary of over the coming couple of weeks. I can't see what the issue is if the club does decide to do something prior to the Reading game. and equally...when they don't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 2 April, 2012 Share Posted 2 April, 2012 I stand corrected. Still at the end of the day she has always been associated with Southampton, and it was the largest peacetime Maritime disaster that had a devastating effect on what was a small seaside Spa town at the time. Still at the end of the day it's an event the vast majority of the City will recognise the anniversary of over the coming couple of weeks. I can't see what the issue is if the club does decide to do something prior to the Reading game. If the club does something then fine, it makes no odds to me and it makes more sense than doing something for Gary Speed. However, the club may feel that enough is been done around the city to warrant the city of Southampton's tribute and rememberance, and so has no need to recognise it during the game against RFC. I bet most of these people getting their knickers in a twist about the club not doing anything will not be making their own effort to attend a memorial during their own time. Hypocrites maninly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capitalsaint Posted 2 April, 2012 Share Posted 2 April, 2012 That's a tad facetious, marking the 100th anniversary is a notable milestone of an event that had a major effect on the folks of the City of Southampton. As a nation we don't, as a rule, follow the American let's mark the passing of any Tom, **** or Harriet, in fact as a nation we don't mark anything much (well for some bizarre reason St Patricks Day and Independence - from the UK for Christs sake- Day gets more airtime than St George's Day!!!) We don't have Happy Southampton Football Club day every year we had 100 and 125 years. Anyone raised in Southampton knows the city's connection to the sea and the history that it brings, The Sinking of the un Sinkable Titanic, a ship that carried the name of the City ( then town) Southampton on its stern, makes it a integral part of the History of the City. Southampton Football Club is part of the History of the city, should we return to the premiership we will once again be beamed into the homes of billions of people around the world, which makes the Football club an even bigger ambassador of the City and an integral institution within the city and it's history, if the club choose to mark a notable milestone in the City's history then it should be embraced not mocked. As a club we have already realised the frailty of having a minutes clapping or Silence for the passing of Mrs Miggings cat et al every other week that's why we have All Saints Day once a year. History is cast in the bin far too easily, without history we would be lesser people, (Americans have no history, what they had they tried to destroy, they now try to enhance their little history to gain culture). A simple minute to "doff your cap" in the direction of those who perished as part of the City's history every 100 years, is that really going to ruin the rest of your life? How will a minute's silence at a football match teach anybody anything about the history of the event? I think you'll find more people know about the Titanic nowadays because of the film than anything else, and encouraging somebody not to make any noise for a minute won't expand that knowledge. For me, I can appreciate how significant it was at the time, and clearly it was a tragic event, but I would find a minute's silence to be a little artificial, and I'm sure that the majority of the fans in the stadium wouldn't be remembering the people who were lost. If it is something that is still resonant to the fans Southampton FC on a human level, shouldn't there have been calls to do something about it sooner than 100 years after the event? I agree with you that history is wholly important, but I don't think a minute's silence will at all alter the general public's understanding or perception of what happened. I also think it is irrelevant whether the club is in The Premier League or not. We can't now decide that the remembrance of those who died on the Titanic is important to us more because it happened 100 years ago and we are playing in a better league, surely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 2 April, 2012 Share Posted 2 April, 2012 That's a tad facetious, marking the 100th anniversary is a notable milestone of an event that had a major effect on the folks of the City of Southampton. As a nation we don't, as a rule, follow the American let's mark the passing of any Tom, **** or Harriet, in fact as a nation we don't mark anything much (well for some bizarre reason St Patricks Day and Independence - from the UK for Christs sake- Day gets more airtime than St George's Day!!!) We don't have Happy Southampton Football Club day every year we had 100 and 125 years. Anyone raised in Southampton knows the city's connection to the sea and the history that it brings, The Sinking of the un Sinkable Titanic, a ship that carried the name of the City ( then town) Southampton on its stern, makes it a integral part of the History of the City. Southampton Football Club is part of the History of the city, should we return to the premiership we will once again be beamed into the homes of billions of people around the world, which makes the Football club an even bigger ambassador of the City and an integral institution within the city and it's history, if the club choose to mark a notable milestone in the City's history then it should be embraced not mocked. As a club we have already realised the frailty of having a minutes clapping or Silence for the passing of Mrs Miggings cat et al every other week that's why we have All Saints Day once a year. History is cast in the bin far too easily, without history we would be lesser people, (Americans have no history, what they had they tried to destroy, they now try to enhance their little history to gain culture). A simple minute to "doff your cap" in the direction of those who perished as part of the City's history every 100 years, is that really going to ruin the rest of your life? Totally with you man, but unfortunately the name on the stern was Liverpool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 2 April, 2012 Share Posted 2 April, 2012 I have. Others will too. Stop being such a disrespectful little pr1ck. This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 2 April, 2012 Share Posted 2 April, 2012 is it wrong to be born and bred in southampton and feel no connection what so ever with the titanic...? Are you proud that RJ Mitchell developed the Spitfire in Southampton and it took its flight from Southampton ? For me, you either have an affinity with the city of your fathers, and therefore its history, or you dont. I find living away from Southampton that I feel strongly about all things to do with Southampton, and that includes SFC, the Spitfire (some Aston Villa c**t of a fan tried to tell me a while back the Spitfire was designed and manufactured in Castle Bromwich, stupid pr*ck; I tore him such a new arsehole) and the Titanic. I reckon half of those who are "getting their knickers in a twist", are pathetic class warriors with a hang-up about the class issues on the Titanic, which did nothing more than reflect the values of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marsdinho Posted 2 April, 2012 Share Posted 2 April, 2012 How will a minute's silence at a football match teach anybody anything about the history of the event? I think you'll find more people know about the Titanic nowadays because of the film than anything else, and encouraging somebody not to make any noise for a minute won't expand that knowledge. For me, I can appreciate how significant it was at the time, and clearly it was a tragic event, but I would find a minute's silence to be a little artificial, and I'm sure that the majority of the fans in the stadium wouldn't be remembering the people who were lost. If it is something that is still resonant to the fans Southampton FC on a human level, shouldn't there have been calls to do something about it sooner than 100 years after the event? I agree with you that history is wholly important, but I don't think a minute's silence will at all alter the general public's understanding or perception of what happened. I also think it is irrelevant whether the club is in The Premier League or not. We can't now decide that the remembrance of those who died on the Titanic is important to us more because it happened 100 years ago and we are playing in a better league, surely? Exactly, how can a minutes silence teach anything, when it took him 100 years to realise Titanic was registered in Liverpool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 2 April, 2012 Share Posted 2 April, 2012 Exactly, how can a minutes silence teach anything, when it took him 100 years to realise Titanic was registered in Liverpool. Does Remembrance Sunday teach anyone about the horrors of the trenches in WW1 ??? Really, some of the analogies being used on this thread are utterly moronic. Who cares what the city name painted on the hull was, this was a city-wide HUMAN tragedy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 2 April, 2012 Share Posted 2 April, 2012 better accept that the club are unlikely going to do anything...there will be plenty going on around the city to show your grief/sorrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint in winchester Posted 2 April, 2012 Share Posted 2 April, 2012 http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/2009/mar/31/titanic-southampton-exhibition Do we know if this Titanic Museum has or will open? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 2 April, 2012 Share Posted 2 April, 2012 better accept that the club are unlikely going to do anything...there will be plenty going on around the city to show your grief/sorrow I do accept it, but I am still strongly of the opinion that they should do something. Its a pity, since this game certainly represents the biggest congregation in the city within the time window that the tragedy happened 100 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 2 April, 2012 Share Posted 2 April, 2012 I do accept it, but I am still strongly of the opinion that they should do something. what will you be doing to show your grief though..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 2 April, 2012 Share Posted 2 April, 2012 what will you be doing to show your grief though..? Well, I am not travelling back to Southampton, so if you think thats something worth ripping the p*ss about, I suggest you go and get on with it. Fill your boots and make yourself look petty if you want. I dont understand your sarcasm over this. I will think of some way to reflect on it, short of putting Leo and Kate in the DVD player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capitalsaint Posted 2 April, 2012 Share Posted 2 April, 2012 Does Remembrance Sunday teach anyone about the horrors of the trenches in WW1 ??? Really, some of the analogies being used on this thread are utterly moronic. Who cares what the city name painted on the hull was, this was a city-wide HUMAN tragedy. Your analogy you've used there is moronic! I responded civilly to a point made about history with regards to a minute's silence not being something that will improve the understanding of a historical event, because that was the very point that was being made. You cannot confuse an act of remembrance with historical learning, particularly if there is nothing else (like a talk, some poetry etc) attached to the silence. Considering you aren't even going to be there, why are you making a such a fuss? If it means that much to you, move to Southampton and campaign for it. What did you do for the 99th anniversary of the sinking, or the 73rd? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 2 April, 2012 Share Posted 2 April, 2012 Well, I am not travelling back to Southampton, so if you think thats something worth ripping the p*ss about, I suggest you go and get on with it. Fill your boots and make yourself look petty if you want. I will think of some way to reflect on it, short of putting Leo and Kate in the DVD player. Do you not think that that is what many others will do, too? Perhaps many people feel they don't need a minute's silence at a football game in order for them to pay their respects. A lot of people genuinely don't feel that attached to a disaster that happened 100 years ago; as much as it was a complete travesty and huge loss of life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 2 April, 2012 Share Posted 2 April, 2012 (edited) Your analogy you've used there is moronic! I responded civilly to a point made about history with regards to a minute's silence not being something that will improve the understanding of a historical event, because that was the very point that was being made. You cannot confuse an act of remembrance with historical learning, particularly if there is nothing else (like a talk, some poetry etc) attached to the silence. Considering you aren't even going to be there, why are you making a such a fuss? If it means that much to you, move to Southampton and campaign for it. What did you do for the 99th anniversary of the sinking, or the 73rd? I am not going to get into this with a pedant. A major tragedy struck the city, whose name is carried by the football team, almost exactly one hundred years before the Reading match. To reflect the good links between the club and the communicty it serves, and whose name it carries, I think the club should mark the occasion., I am also happy for them to mark the significant anniversaries of other tragedies in the city, like the deaths of the kids in the Art Gallery during WW2. I would rather this happened than remembering the likes of Gary Speed, and fretting over Fabrice Mwamba. And I find the arguments on here against are petty and selfish. Its my opinion, I think it is valid and pursuasive and I am entitled to it. Edited 2 April, 2012 by alpine_saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 2 April, 2012 Share Posted 2 April, 2012 (edited) Do you not think that that is what many others will do, too? Perhaps many people feel they don't need a minute's silence at a football game in order for them to pay their respects. A lot of people genuinely don't feel that attached to a disaster that happened 100 years ago; as much as it was a complete travesty and huge loss of life. No I dont, but if faced with it in a minutes silence at SMS, they might, for a mircosecond, reflect on it. I miss Southampton terribly, and feel strongly about it and its history as a result. I reckon if a few of the mongs on here were to spend an exended time away, they might end up feeling differently. I find it tragic that the sense of community in modern-day Southampton appears to be so poor. Then again, I should have realised the last time I went, when my sons and I sat down one seat to the left of where we should have, and a big fat c**t of an ST holder came along and grunted at my eldest kid, and when he politely said "pardon?" because he didnt understand, the repetition came replete with four-letter words... Edited 2 April, 2012 by alpine_saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wurzel Posted 2 April, 2012 Share Posted 2 April, 2012 Does Remembrance Sunday teach anyone about the horrors of the trenches in WW1 ??? Really, some of the analogies being used on this thread are utterly moronic. Who cares what the city name painted on the hull was, this was a city-wide HUMAN tragedy. So was the Blitz. And the plague. And when the french invaded and ransacked the city . I fully respect those that lost family members but for me it's not something that has any relevance to the football club. Having said that, hearing 30,000 voices singing Celine Dion's "My heart will go on" would be awesome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capitalsaint Posted 2 April, 2012 Share Posted 2 April, 2012 I am not going to get into this with a pedant. A major tragedy struck the city, whose name is carried by the football team, almost exactly one hundred years before the Reading match. To reflect the good links between the club and the communicty it serves, I think the club should mark the occasion., I am also happy for them to mark the significant anniversaries of other tragedies in the city, like the deaths of the kids in the Art Gallery during WW2. I would rather this happened than remembering the likes of Gary Speed, and fretting over Fabrice Mwamba. And I find the arguments on here against are petty and selfish. Its my opinion, I think it is valid and pursuasive and I am entitled to it. I didn't criticise your opinion, I responded to your accusation that my analogy was moronic! Of course you are entitled to it, the question I asked is what actually are you doing about something you seem to believe in so strongly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 2 April, 2012 Share Posted 2 April, 2012 I didn't criticise your opinion, I responded to your accusation that my analogy was moronic! Of course you are entitled to it, the question I asked is what actually are you doing about something you seem to believe in so strongly? Your analogy ? I thought I responded to Mardsinho.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capitalsaint Posted 2 April, 2012 Share Posted 2 April, 2012 Do you not think that that is what many others will do, too? Perhaps many people feel they don't need a minute's silence at a football game in order for them to pay their respects. A lot of people genuinely don't feel that attached to a disaster that happened 100 years ago; as much as it was a complete travesty and huge loss of life. Nail on the head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 2 April, 2012 Share Posted 2 April, 2012 No I dont, but if faced with it in a minutes silence at SMS, they might, for a mircosecond, reflect on it. I miss Southampton terribly, and feel strongly about it and its history as a result. I reckon if a few of the mongs on here were to spend an exended time away, they might end up feeling differently. Like you, I'm living abroad right now, and you're right it does make you much more appreciative of everything back home (I can't wait to get back home in 3 or 4 weeks time). That said, I'm not sure if I agree with you on this one, though I appreciate the sentiment. I don't think you can "force" people to grieve; people will pay their respects in their own way. A little education is certainly beneficial, but as has been posted I think the whole Hollywoodisation of Titanic has done way more to contribute to it being ingrained upon our psyche than a minute's silence at a football game would do. Obviously, if the disaster had happened recently then there's no doubt at all that there would be an occasion to show respect. And while I'm sure everyone empathises with what happened, a lot of people aren't as emotive about the subject as you, and I think we have to respect that also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capitalsaint Posted 2 April, 2012 Share Posted 2 April, 2012 Your analogy ? I thought I responded to Mardsinho.. He quoted me, and his post didn't contain any analogy in it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 2 April, 2012 Share Posted 2 April, 2012 So was the Blitz. And the plague. And when the french invaded and ransacked the city . I fully respect those that lost family members but for me it's not something that has any relevance to the football club. Having said that, hearing 30,000 voices singing Celine Dion's "My heart will go on" would be awesome Sorry Wurzel. I really dont get the point of this at all. Is the club called Southampton Football Club, or not ? Does it claim to be a important part of the community or not ? Why do the players bother visting sick kids in hospital at Christmas, for example ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 2 April, 2012 Share Posted 2 April, 2012 Like you, I'm living abroad right now, and you're right it does make you much more appreciative of everything back home (I can't wait to get back home in 3 or 4 weeks time). That said, I'm not sure if I agree with you on this one, though I appreciate the sentiment. I don't think you can "force" people to grieve; people will pay their respects in their own way. A little education is certainly beneficial, but as has been posted I think the whole Hollywoodisation of Titanic has done way more to contribute to it being ingrained upon our psyche than a minute's silence at a football game would do. Obviously, if the disaster had happened recently then there's no doubt at all that there would be an occasion to show respect. And while I'm sure everyone empathises with what happened, a lot of people aren't as emotive about the subject as you, and I think we have to respect that also. Well, let me make it clear. My feeling about this is not really due to the fact that my family lost two of its members. Its more to do with the hope of a sense of community still existing in Southampton. Coming on this thread has depressed me in this respect. Seems that living in a post-Labour, inept-coallition led, X-Factor obsessed modern Britain has turned most people into "I'm allright Jack" NIMBYs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 2 April, 2012 Share Posted 2 April, 2012 Well, let me make it clear. My feeling about this is not really due to the fact that my family lost two of its members. Its more to do with the hope of a sense of community still existing in Southampton. Coming on this thread has depressed me in this respect. Seems that living in a post-Labour, inept-coallition led, X-Factor obsessed modern Britain has turned most people into "I'm allright Jack" NIMBYs. so much so, you live far away from this community Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 2 April, 2012 Share Posted 2 April, 2012 Well, let me make it clear. My feeling about this is not really due to the fact that my family lost two of its members. Its more to do with the hope of a sense of community still existing in Southampton. Coming on this thread has depressed me in this respect. Seems that living in a post-Labour, inept-coallition led, X-Factor obsessed modern Britain has turned most people into "I'm allright Jack" NIMBYs. But all you're doing is assuming the worst in people; that they don't have as much depth of feeling as you do. And that because they don't care as much it makes them inferior. I'm sure if there is a minute's silence, it will immculately upheld. If there isn't, then there are opportunities for people who want to pay their respects in other, more appropriate venues around the city. Newspaper and television coverage will ensure that pretty much everyone is aware of the date,a nd they can choose to show their respect in a way appropriate to them. It doesn't show a lack of respect or community that there isn't a huge petition for the football club to formally mark the occasion, and the fact that a significant amount of people aren't personally affected by it shouldn't be a stick to beat them with IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 2 April, 2012 Share Posted 2 April, 2012 so much so, you live far away from this community TDD, I live away from the community for genuine reasons which I am not willing to discuss with you at all. That does not mean I am not entitled to feel a sense of loss about it, and you are in NO position to judge me for it. You've turned into a right pr*ck recently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 2 April, 2012 Share Posted 2 April, 2012 But all you're doing is assuming the worst in people; that they don't have as much depth of feeling as you do. And that because they don't care as much it makes them inferior. No assuming anything, going on the reactions on here, which have surprised me with their shallowness in some cases. Yes, I do think "I'm alright Jack" NIMBYs are inferior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 2 April, 2012 Share Posted 2 April, 2012 TDD, I live away from the community for genuine reasons which I am not willing to discuss with you at all. That does not mean I am not entitled to feel a sense of loss about it, and you are in NO position to judge me for it. You've turned into a right pr*ck recently. and you are in no position to judge people/the club on how they should grieve/pay respects... I am well capable of showing respects for maritime losses...no matter how big or small... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junction 9 Posted 2 April, 2012 Share Posted 2 April, 2012 Well, let me make it clear. My feeling about this is not really due to the fact that my family lost two of its members. Its more to do with the hope of a sense of community still existing in Southampton. Coming on this thread has depressed me in this respect. Seems that living in a post-Labour, inept-coallition led, X-Factor obsessed modern Britain has turned most people into "I'm allright Jack" NIMBYs. Firstly, I'm not really bothered one way or the other if the occasion is marked by the club or not. What gets me is the way you feel the need to tell people who are still living in this city what they should doing, or feeling, when you have chosen to move away. I think it's a bit rich to bemoan the lack of "community spirit" when you've clearly made a choice to leave that community in search of what I assume is a better life. You should try living here now, it's a hugely multicultural city and a huge number of the current residents have no connection with the Titanic. The city has changed and keeps changing. That's life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 2 April, 2012 Share Posted 2 April, 2012 No assuming anything, going on the reactions on here, which have surprised me with their shallowness in some cases. Yes, I do think "I'm alright Jack" NIMBYs are inferior. I don't understand the NIMBY analogy, I think all anyone is suggesting is that there are more appropriate ways and venues in Southampton to show respects than at a football match. And I find claiming superiority from grief-comparison a worrying trait, but you're welcome to your opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 2 April, 2012 Share Posted 2 April, 2012 DD, Kraken this has just turned into good old fasioned alpine trolling. Having a go at people he's never met because they aren't grieving for people they've never met at an unrelated football game he wont even be attending. I'd leave now whilst you still have your sanity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 2 April, 2012 Share Posted 2 April, 2012 DD, Kraken this has just turned into good old fasioned alpine trolling. Having a go at people he's never met because they aren't grieving for people they've never met at an unrelated football game he wont even be attending. I'd leave now whilst you still have your sanity. To be fair, I don't believe you have to have met someone to feel affected by their passing; it would be a sad state if that were the case. Although in terms of your other point, you're probably correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 2 April, 2012 Share Posted 2 April, 2012 To be fair, I don't believe you have to have met someone to feel affected by their passing; it would be a sad state if that were the case. I whole heartedly agree. However I don't think grief should be compulsory as alpine is suggesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 2 April, 2012 Share Posted 2 April, 2012 I whole heartedly agree. However I don't think grief should be compulsory as alpine is suggesting. I think in certain instances the club definitely has a role to play. The two firefighters that died a few years back is a point in case; it affected many people in the city. As a consequence a minute's silence at the stadium was more than appropriate at the time; it allowed many people who felt quite emotive about it to pay their respects there and then. It was also very moving to see the reaction of the fire-fighters at St. Mary's station on the way to the game, and in a sense it galvanised the public. The Titanic; it was a complete disaster and tragedy, absolutely no denying that. And we should never forget what happened. But there is no emotional attachment to it for the vast majority of those attending St. Mary's; and a lot of people feel they or the club don't "need" to pay their respects in such a formal and public way. That may sound harsh and a bit cold, but I agree with you, grief shouldn't be compulsory in this case. And looking down on those who feel this way certainly doesn't make you a better person, that's for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 2 April, 2012 Share Posted 2 April, 2012 Firstly, I'm not really bothered one way or the other if the occasion is marked by the club or not. What gets me is the way you feel the need to tell people who are still living in this city what they should doing, or feeling, when you have chosen to move away. I think it's a bit rich to bemoan the lack of "community spirit" when you've clearly made a choice to leave that community in search of what I assume is a better life. You should try living here now, it's a hugely multicultural city and a huge number of the current residents have no connection with the Titanic. The city has changed and keeps changing. That's life. Swings and roundabouts my friend. Maybe if there were a visible community spirit, I wouldnt have left or maybe I would come back. And thanks for supporting the theory that multiculturalism has essentially destroyed Britian's identity, something I have long felt strongly about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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