This Can't Be Right. Big Brother Under The Tories

[View From The Top]

And there was our resident "me, me, me" brigade telling us that the Labour nanny/big brother state would be rolled back under the tories.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17576745

[solentstars]

Not suprised all the partys seem to pay lip service to civil rights

 

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[gaz]

Never gonna happen.

[Sheaf Saint]

Hang on... Didn't the Tories block it when Labour tried to introduce something like this?

[bridge too far]

Hang on... Didn't the Tories block it when Labour tried to introduce something like this?

 

No, surely not! That would be hypocritical.

[Saintandy666]

I hope it never happens.

[Thedelldays]

I hope it never happens.

you would be surprised what does already happen

[sussexsaint]

Hoping it's April fools but I fear not. What you can get away with in the name of 'fighting terror' is genuinely scary stuff. No longer the most open country in the world, many used to say we were the last natn with true freedom of speech. Not so now.

[Saintandy666]

you would be surprised what does already happen

 

I have an iPhone, I'm already aware of what companies for bizarre reasons have access to all my texts etc and movements. Scares you a lot if you read into it.

[ecuk268]

No problem with it if it's only used terrorism matters.

 

But who watches the watchers?

[dubai_phil]

No problem with it if it's only used terrorism matters.

 

But who watches the watchers?

 

That would be the people who develop and sell the types of software needed to perform these sorts of tasks.

 

Which would be..

 

Oh sh1t. So whadda y'all wanna know then?

[John Boy Saint]

Not sure if it's the same today as it was in its original state before Microsoft got their paws on it, but Skype was always the most secure, secret, encrypted, whatever you want to call it system of communicating over the Internet without anyone, including Skype themselves, being able to access, hack, or monitor the traffic.

 

A few years ago various intelligence agency's requested access and Skype said no.

[Saint in Paradise]

Never ever say anything via any communication device that you don't want to risk it

being made public or you have to repeat it in a Court of Law.

Even talking face to face is not very secure these days, in fact no method has been

for a very very long time.

[Thedelldays]

I have an iPhone, I'm already aware of what companies for bizarre reasons have access to all my texts etc and movements. Scares you a lot if you read into it.

you would be amazed on methods people can "investigate" your electronic devices

[dubai_phil]

you would be amazed on methods people can "investigate" your electronic devices

 

People will also be amazed at how embarrasingly easy it is at the base level as well.

[Saintandy666]

And there isn't much that can be done about it.

 

I have to agree with David Davis on this. It's fine, but why can't we do it the old way, through the courts. It just sounds like general surveillance to me just its own sake.

[dubai_phil]

And there isn't much that can be done about it.

 

I have to agree with David Davis on this. It's fine, but why can't we do it the old way, through the courts. It just sounds like general surveillance to me just its own sake.

 

yeah, but think of all the Terrabytes of data that will be mined. Then think of all the hours to spend anaylising that data. And then think of all those luverly big contracts to Software companies that have the tools to anaylse that data. Who happen to have had a nice expensive dinner recently.....

[Saintandy666]

yeah, but think of all the Terrabytes of data that will be mined. Then think of all the hours to spend anaylising that data. And then think of all those luverly big contracts to Software companies that have the tools to anaylse that data. Who happen to have had a nice expensive dinner recently.....

 

Ah well, ey? If you're a good citizen, you have nothing to fear.

 

If David Davis is against this, it will be interesting to see if it gets through or not. I would imagine there would be a sizeable Lib Dem rebellion as well. And Labour will vote against it for opportunism.

[Saint in Paradise]

Ah well, ey? If you're a good citizen, you have nothing to fear.

 

 

 

Wake up, that atitude will be the end of you. The "authorites" want people to think that

so IF they want to get rid of you they will lie cheat and twist anything you have said.

They will make sure that no-one will believe a word you say.

[hypochondriac]

Ah well, ey? If you're a good citizen, you have nothing to fear.

 

If David Davis is against this, it will be interesting to see if it gets through or not. I would imagine there would be a sizeable Lib Dem rebellion as well. And Labour will vote against it for opportunism.

 

This sounds pretty concerning TBH but the line I highlighted above is always the same one trotted out as an excuse as liberties are continually eroded. A bad move by the tories here.

[Saintandy666]

Ermmmm, I was being sarcastic when when I said 'If you are a good citizen, you have nothing to fear'. I would have thought my other posts would have made that clear! Authority should always be questioned.

 

It is a terrible move.

[Sheaf Saint]

Ah well, ey? If you're a good citizen, you have nothing to fear.

 

He who trades liberty for security deserves neither and will lose both

Benjamin Franklin

[Saintandy666]

He who trades liberty for security deserves neither and will lose both

Benjamin Franklin

 

I was being somewhat sarcastic as already said. I guess that's a failure of the internet. Another worrying thing about this bill, how do you distinguish between sarcasm and inside jokes and a real threat?!

[saintbletch]

I think ITs a reALLy Great ideA

 

[Through powers vested in them by The Party, the thought police have thoughtchanged the content of this web post due to potential thoughtcrime. Big Brother is watching you.]

[martyg1950]

Curious timing for such an announcement, and probably not unconnected with this

 

http://www.wired.co.uk/magazine/archive/2012/05/features/the-black-box

 

What I can't get my head around is that if they'd announced that they were going to open and examine every parcel and letter that passed through the Royal Mail it would cause a stir. This seems so far to have had a very muted response.

 

It's one things to target intelligence led 'bad guys' but this is just general state surveillance of anyone and everything. As stated atm they will monitor everything except content. I wonder how long it will be before a minor amendment is made down the line to rectify that.

[pap]

Is anyone really surprised?

 

We have all the apparatus for a police state in place. CCTV, communications surveillance, detention without trial.

 

How do we know that such powers are being used responsibly, especially when powers that have been raised for similar outcomes (prevention of terrorism) have been wilfully abused by the authorities?

 

What about the access it would confer to journalists who have an "in" with the police? Potential for blackmail?

 

The present law is enough, in my opinion.

[pap]

Government retreats on digital 'Big Brother' plans.

 

Almost a score of Lib Dems not particularly happy and threatening rebellion over the issue.

[Verbal]

We have seen the face of the enemy, and he is us.

 

I really don't get this claim by May, Cameron, et al, that they're not interested in the content of our communications, only who we communicate with - and yet all ISPs, Skype, etc., would be required to keep all content for a year or more.

 

I suspect the key to this is in the fact that Labour tried exactly the same. It's a pet civil servants' project (because it needs more civil servants) that gets rammed under the noses of successive Home Secretaries, who docilely agree and present it like a giant turd to a distinctly unappreciative and unimpressed electorate. It probably won't happen - although as others have said, it won't really make much difference to the eavesdropping that's already going on.

[Lord Duckhunter]

David Davis showing yet again why the Tories picked the wrong "Dave".

[Seaford Saint]

David Davis showing yet again why the Tories picked the wrong "Dave".

 

Blimey I agree with you....

[Turkish]

Ermmmm, I was being sarcastic when when I said 'If you are a good citizen, you have nothing to fear'. I would have thought my other posts would have made that clear! Authority should always be questioned.

 

It is a terrible move.

 

Do you question your teachers Andy?

[stu0x]

How do we know that such powers are being used responsibly, especially when powers that have been raised for similar outcomes (prevention of terrorism) have been wilfully abused by the authorities?

Repeal of s44 was nothing to do with abuse of power. The power was used exactly as it had been designed by our Government. The EU then decided the powers themselves weren't appropriate. And as usual the Government rolled over without so much as a whimper.