dune Posted 31 March, 2012 Share Posted 31 March, 2012 http://www.titanicbelfast.com/Home.aspx It looks well worth a visit and is going to bring millions into the local economy. It could have been Titanic Southampton, but for the lack of ambition and foresight of the powers that be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonjoe Posted 31 March, 2012 Share Posted 31 March, 2012 We have our own museum on the verge of opening in case you missed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hockey_saint Posted 31 March, 2012 Share Posted 31 March, 2012 http://www.titanicbelfast.com/Home.aspx It looks well worth a visit and is going to bring millions into the local economy. It could have been Titanic Southampton, but for the lack of ambition and foresight of the powers that be. I have never understood why Belfast are so vhermently celebrating building the thing. They used flawed steel rivets which failed and killed a great many people. They also gave assurances that it couldn't sink...which was wrong. Celebrate what? shoddy workmanship? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecuk268 Posted 31 March, 2012 Share Posted 31 March, 2012 We have our own museum on the verge of opening in case you missed it. The Belfast museum is on the actual site where the Titanic was built The Southampton one looks like a shed tacked on to an elegant listed building. The logical place for it was the docks where it should have been combined with the old maritime museum from the Woolhouse and the Hall of Aviation. For once, I agree with dune. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 31 March, 2012 Share Posted 31 March, 2012 (edited) I saw this on the news last night. It seems part of Southampton's heritage has been hijacked by others. Agree with Dune that its a lost opportunity for the city.However I doubt Southampton City Council and its residents would have funded the project on the scale that Belfast have, which has no doubt been supported largely by regeneration grants, and the willingness of Government to pour money into Northern Ireland. Edited 31 March, 2012 by Badger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 31 March, 2012 Share Posted 31 March, 2012 I have never understood why Belfast are so vhermently celebrating building the thing. They used flawed steel rivets which failed and killed a great many people. They also gave assurances that it couldn't sink...which was wrong. Celebrate what? shoddy workmanship? There was an interesting documentary a year ago about the building of it in Belfast. The whole project was frought with problems,German workers were employed in the Belfast shipping yards at one point which caused a workers revolt, and then it seemed doomed due to sectarian issues - hope their museum tells this part of the story too - after the shipbuilders wanted to employ workers from the other faith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 31 March, 2012 Share Posted 31 March, 2012 Southampton has for long lacked a Council and an Executive with any real foresight or drive. Walk around and you'll see flats built on top of Medieval Vaults, centuries old walls knocked down for shops or roads or shops just plonked right in front of the Wall (Hannover Buildings). The Germans must take a fair share of blame as the reconstruction after the war caused many shortcuts, but I still maintain those in office have not made the most out of our city (although I also accept trade, commerce and a working docks are more beneficial than a theme park). As for the Sea City Museum it would appear that the local Conservatives are as bad as their peers at a national level!!! Wrong museum in the wrong place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 31 March, 2012 Author Share Posted 31 March, 2012 The thing is apart from Southampton being a port for departures/arrivals there's no other point of cruise ships using it. There is loads of money to be made by having dockside amenities. Portsmouth puts Southampton to shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 31 March, 2012 Share Posted 31 March, 2012 Here's a full list of the engine crew that night - note how many are from Southampton (many from the streets around the club)...and how many just disappeared. http://www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/titanic-engineering-crew/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 31 March, 2012 Share Posted 31 March, 2012 Belfast built it we crewed it. Belfast have a museum and so do we. Not sure I see what the issue is really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 31 March, 2012 Share Posted 31 March, 2012 Here's a full list of the engine crew that night - note how many are from Southampton (many from the streets around the club)...and how many just disappeared. http://www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/titanic-engineering-crew/ did you watch the programme with Len whats his name last night.....talk a great deal about the effects on southampton at the time how White Star line SACKED all the staff as the ship was sinking....the families finally got compensation etc what was mentioned was how so many men who died left behind single mothers/pregnant partners..being in that situation for a female in those days was very taboo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joesaint Posted 31 March, 2012 Share Posted 31 March, 2012 I actually think, given that many people died on the Titanic, making it what they have, including a Titanic quarter! That its a bit distasteful. I do think it looks nice, just does not sit right. I actually believe to have a 'sea city musem' covering all the other history we have is better. I have not been in, pictures are nice and driven past. But together with improvements to Oxford street, even Tudor House, think people will come and be more tempted to do the musem before or after a cruse. Think the city is quite ambitious which you have to be because places like the royal peer need to be done propley, if and when the peer as well as behind the swimming pool, next to the walls is done I believe the city will be much more attractive. COYS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joesaint Posted 31 March, 2012 Share Posted 31 March, 2012 Southampton has for long lacked a Council and an Executive with any real foresight or drive. Walk around and you'll see flats built on top of Medieval Vaults, centuries old walls knocked down for shops or roads or shops just plonked right in front of the Wall (Hannover Buildings). The Germans must take a fair share of blame as the reconstruction after the war caused many shortcuts, but I still maintain those in office have not made the most out of our city (although I also accept trade, commerce and a working docks are more beneficial than a theme park). As for the Sea City Museum it would appear that the local Conservatives are as bad as their peers at a national level!!! Wrong museum in the wrong place. I would love to see Hannover Building's gone!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 31 March, 2012 Share Posted 31 March, 2012 http://www.titanicbelfast.com/Home.aspx It looks well worth a visit and is going to bring millions into the local economy. It could have been Titanic Southampton, but for the lack of ambition and foresight of the powers that be. You expect something different from Southampton City Council ? Its a malaise that affects everything in the Southampton area. Just look at the football team's performance today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 31 March, 2012 Share Posted 31 March, 2012 You expect something different from Southampton City Council ? Its a malaise that affects everything in the Southampton area. Just look at the football team's performance today. The team has an off-day and it's suddenly an all pervading 'malaise', as if all the other games that led to where they are now are to be discounted? Bonkers. It IS a failure of imagination, and a failure of an understanding of what was, for the city, a peculiarly working-class tragedy, that led to Belfast stealing a march on the city council. That has NOTHING to do with losing to Blackpool! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1576 Posted 31 March, 2012 Share Posted 31 March, 2012 The wifes great grandfather died on the Titanic. http://www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/titanic-victim/albert-wardner.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwsaint Posted 1 April, 2012 Share Posted 1 April, 2012 I also watched the Len Goodman programme, expecting it to be yet another Titanic 'celebration', along with that dreadful film that is now in 3D. Pleasantly surprised. It focused on the impact of the disaster, especially on Southampton. The diagram that showed where all the victims lived was particularly poignant. Everyone must have known friends who died. The amount of money raised by the city for the victims families was also amazing given the times. The city of Belfast can celebrate Titanic for having built it. We can't. It just left a huge hole in the city. Having said that, the City council have not done much to celebrate Southampton's maritime and aviation heritage. Neither of the current museums are up to much. Much more could and should be done - just please don't focus on that wretched ship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 1 April, 2012 Share Posted 1 April, 2012 You expect something different from Southampton City Council ? Its a malaise that affects everything in the Southampton area. Just look at the football team's performance today. Stop it, just fecking stop it! No wonder you get flamed so often. Are you on a lifelong masochistic trip? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jillyanne Posted 1 April, 2012 Share Posted 1 April, 2012 You expect something different from Southampton City Council ? Its a malaise that affects everything in the Southampton area. Just look at the football team's performance today. ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 1 April, 2012 Share Posted 1 April, 2012 I also watched the Len Goodman programme, expecting it to be yet another Titanic 'celebration', along with that dreadful film that is now in 3D. Pleasantly surprised. It focused on the impact of the disaster, especially on Southampton. The diagram that showed where all the victims lived was particularly poignant. Everyone must have known friends who died. The amount of money raised by the city for the victims families was also amazing given the times. The city of Belfast can celebrate Titanic for having built it. We can't. It just left a huge hole in the city. Having said that, the City council have not done much to celebrate Southampton's maritime and aviation heritage. Neither of the current museums are up to much. Much more could and should be done - just please don't focus on that wretched ship. I missed the Len Goodman programme, unfortunately. Belfast built the Titanic certainly, but with a host of design and construction faults that ought to add up more to embarrassment than celebration. The cost-cutting and flaky iron ore composites used in the rivets, for example, directly contributed to the domino-effect that ripped open successive supposedly water-sealed compartments. As bulkhead doors were slammed shut in a futile attempt to contain the onrush of water through the ship, dozens of engine crew found themselves sealed in, and would have been carried to the bottom of the ocean. Southampton, from where the engine crew was predominantly recruited - and many from the streets around where St Mary's now stands - was the city that took the full brunt of those design, engineering and construction failures (leaving aside those to do with navigation and egotistical hubris). To answer delldays' point, yes, it was stigmatising to be a single mother in working class communities after the turn of the last century, but much less so to be a widow. Besides, the bereaved families were looked after reasonably well by the standards of the day by a trust. There was also, by all accounts, a great deal of civic solidarity in the city - a source of genuine pride. There are no records that I'm aware of, at least, of families being left destitute by the sinking (happy to be corrected). So a well-designed memorial that highlighted the sinking as a tumultuous event in social history - with fascinating detail on the lives of those who lived, survived and died on the ship - would have made a great and fitting tribute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 1 April, 2012 Author Share Posted 1 April, 2012 You expect something different from Southampton City Council ? Its a malaise that affects everything in the Southampton area. Just look at the football team's performance today. I couldn't agree more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docker-p Posted 1 April, 2012 Share Posted 1 April, 2012 http://www.titanicbelfast.com/Home.aspx It looks well worth a visit and is going to bring millions into the local economy. It could have been Titanic Southampton, but for the lack of ambition and foresight of the powers that be. Not often i agree with the OP but he is spot on. Our city councillors, of every party, are a fookin disgrace. Yet another opportunity missed. The Titanic story is a Southampton story more than a Belfast one. FFS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 1 April, 2012 Share Posted 1 April, 2012 what should we have done instead..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jillyanne Posted 1 April, 2012 Share Posted 1 April, 2012 what should we have done instead..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonjoe Posted 2 April, 2012 Share Posted 2 April, 2012 Exactly Delldays. Not sure what people are moaning about. It's all well and good saying you want a larger, more spectacular, purpose built museum, but who is going to fund that in the current climate? As much as I hate Royston Smith and his Tory council, they've managed to deliver a museum which has reportedly come at no cost to the taxpayer and they've managed to freeze council tax for the second year in a row. They've also reused recently vacated council buildings. I've not had a chance to get down there yet as it's not officially open, but it looks ok on TV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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