saintbletch Posted 30 March, 2012 Share Posted 30 March, 2012 ...an indication of things to come? From the Guardian, from the Telegraph - (there's balance for you!). Did gorgeous George win because he's gorgeous George, or does his Respect party have a future? Is there an untapped Muslim vote that a party like Respect can tap into? Can we expect to see other areas turn to independent MPs? Are we all so disillusioned with the 3 main parties that Independent MPs will become more common? Your views? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 30 March, 2012 Share Posted 30 March, 2012 Before I offer my view, am I allowed to mention the Labour Party? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintbletch Posted 30 March, 2012 Author Share Posted 30 March, 2012 Before I offer my view, am I allowed to mention the Labour Party? No. But you just did. It's OK though, as arbiter of what members can or cannot post on here, I will allow you - just this once. Touch a nerve? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 30 March, 2012 Share Posted 30 March, 2012 No. But you just did. It's OK though, as arbiter of what members can or cannot post on here, I will allow you - just this once. Touch a nerve? Me? A nervous system? I think you may be mistaking me for a human being... Anyway, something else we need to establish before sharing my wisdom....how would the thread title and OP have been worded if it we were waking up this morning to the Tories suffering a c.36% swing in a by-election in opposition for a seat they had safely held since 1974 following one of the worst PR weeks for the party in government...? :-) This is first and foremost a disastrous result for Labour regardless of the veneer or spin people which to put on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecuk268 Posted 30 March, 2012 Share Posted 30 March, 2012 Good to see that Howling Laud Hope got 111 votes. More seriously, Galloway's no fool. He did this before in 2005 in London, overturning a 10000 majority. The turnout was over 50%, very high for a by-election. Judging by the TV coverage he seems to have captured the Asian vote, bit ironic as the Labour guy is a Pakistani Muslim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted 30 March, 2012 Share Posted 30 March, 2012 The country is still wading through ****. The Labour party got us there and the Coalition seem to be doing their best to ensure we stay there as long as possible, so undoubtedly there was a backlash against mainstream politics. Although not familiar with the local political landscape i wouldn't be suprised if the London-centric party animials really were half arsed in their attempts to secure votes, leaving the way for GG to embark on a focused campaign that the locals felt was genuine and meant something to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintbletch Posted 30 March, 2012 Author Share Posted 30 March, 2012 Me? A nervous system? I think you may be mistaking me for a human being... Anyway, something else we need to establish before sharing my wisdom....how would the thread title and OP have been worded if it we were waking up this morning to the Tories suffering a c.36% swing in a by-election in opposition for a seat they had safely held since 1974 following one of the worst PR weeks for the party in government...? :-) This is first and foremost a disastrous result for Labour regardless of the veneer or spin people which to put on it. Good point (the thread title - not the nervous system). As you say, I suspect it would have been spun that way, but with George Galloway at the centre of the story - it would inevitably end up being about him. My views? Well I agree it's a disastrous result for Labour. But I'm not actually sure that it's that representative given the c.10% lead in national polls (yes I know, I know). To me, it does look like a one-off given the characters involved and the high Muslim population of the ward. That said, it probably does say that Milliband (jnr) is not the right leader for Labour (he wasn't able to energise the voters), and it also tells them that they can no longer rely on immigrant votes simply because they have a marginally more immigrant-friendly image. Given the mess they made of governing us last time, I suspect voters will think hard before placing their mark next to the Labour candidate for some time. Also, given that the incumbent coalition is having to put in place pretty unpopular policies, it makes it more surprising that voters deserted Labour. Labour should be a shoe-in next election once government policies really start to bite, but between our memories and Milliband, they're going to have a problem. This is what made me think about the Independent angle. I posted the other day that 200+ doctors and surgeons had said they would stand as independents and I wondered if it's a trend we might see more of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 30 March, 2012 Share Posted 30 March, 2012 Why oh why would anyone vote for that guy? was celebrity big brother not enough to kill any slight credability he had? Not to mention having an independent MP is pretty much like being in a brothel with erectile dysfunction you've got no chance. How is he going to get any of his election aims (assuming he had any) through with a party vote of 1? I assume people voted for him on his anti-war stance I'm sure his one vote will overturn the policy of two successive goverments. As for Labour...ouch that's got to hurt with all the crap the goverment have been getting lately and they can't even win a nailed on safe seat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 30 March, 2012 Share Posted 30 March, 2012 Just for balance, given it's disastrous for Labour, but the Islamic Republic of Bradistan also performed a 37% swing away from the Tories ( according to the BBC ), and the LDs lost their deposit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 30 March, 2012 Share Posted 30 March, 2012 Very arrogant of Labour to denounce their loss due to Galloway's media profile. As already pointed out, he tapped into the constituents worries/needs and was voted in accordingly. Credit where it's due. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 30 March, 2012 Share Posted 30 March, 2012 Hardly surprising. It just emphasises the failure of multiculturalism. They have a them and us attitude so why shouldn't I? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 30 March, 2012 Share Posted 30 March, 2012 I wonder why he won this election? The "Muslim vote"? F**k me I feel sorry for the handful of non-Muslim people left in Bradford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 30 March, 2012 Share Posted 30 March, 2012 Why oh why would anyone vote for that guy? was celebrity big brother not enough to kill any slight credability he had? Not to mention having an independent MP is pretty much like being in a brothel with erectile dysfunction you've got no chance. How is he going to get any of his election aims (assuming he had any) through with a party vote of 1? I assume people voted for him on his anti-war stance I'm sure his one vote will overturn the policy of two successive goverments. As for Labour...ouch that's got to hurt with all the crap the goverment have been getting lately and they can't even win a nailed on safe seat. Why do you think they voted for him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 30 March, 2012 Share Posted 30 March, 2012 (edited) He should be shot. Edited 30 March, 2012 by This Charming Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 30 March, 2012 Share Posted 30 March, 2012 I think people want a proper party for working people rather have than the choice of tory party's we now have who only seem to like lining the pockets of the few like bankers and speculators and other non productive sectors of the ecnomey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 30 March, 2012 Share Posted 30 March, 2012 I think people want a proper party for working people rather have than the choice of tory party's we now have who only seem to like lining the pockets of the few like bankers and speculators and other non productive sectors of the ecnomey. Course they don't. They want a party that separates them from the rest of us. Like others have said I feel so sorry for the English people up there who have to put up with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 30 March, 2012 Share Posted 30 March, 2012 Very arrogant of Labour to denounce their loss due to Galloway's media profile. As already pointed out, he tapped into the constituents worries/needs and was voted in accordingly. Credit where it's due.agree and don't forget the tories share of the vote dropped even more in percentage terms.its nice to have someone who is not just clone and a character rather than the current crop who all look alike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 30 March, 2012 Share Posted 30 March, 2012 Course they don't. They want a party that separates them from the rest of us. Like others have said I feel so sorry for the English people up there who have to put up with it.your usual racist views here dune Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 30 March, 2012 Share Posted 30 March, 2012 your usual racist views here dune No it's not. Them voting for Respect is like a white man voting BNP. Yet you say f/ck all about it when it's them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markyboy Posted 30 March, 2012 Share Posted 30 March, 2012 I'm leaning more towards UK Independant at next election, but the thought of allowing the champagne socialists of New Labour back in scares me. Slough's similar to Bradford but on a much smaller scale, whereby we have all sorts of diverse cultural backgrounds who despite the Labour Council saying we all live together as one for Slough, keep to themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 30 March, 2012 Share Posted 30 March, 2012 I did find it a little cringeworthy that he decided to use his victory speech as yet another opportunity to take a massive swipe at Labour over the war in Iraq. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddog Posted 30 March, 2012 Share Posted 30 March, 2012 Wont be long before there is a muslim party winning lots of votes\seats in these areas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 30 March, 2012 Share Posted 30 March, 2012 In a sense, you can't read too much into this particular by-election. Galloway has been fairly consistent with his anti-war message, which would resonate with a lot of Muslim voters in the area. Lets not forget that it was Labour who decided to join in with the big ol' US adventure, something that will not quickly be forgotten. However, I do genuinely feel that people are going to fall out of love with mainstream parties as things get worse, particularly since we've seen all of them in action in recent times. The spectacle has been far from impressive, and the choice on offer? Well, you can have any colour you like as long as its business-driven neo-liberalism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 30 March, 2012 Share Posted 30 March, 2012 Wont be long before there is a muslim party winning lots of votes\seats in these areas. It is apartheid through choice. What we've seen with this result (and others that will follow) is conclusive proof that multiculturalism involving muslims has failed. And I single out muslims here because it's wrong to lump the seikhs, hindus, blacks etc in with them because although many of these communities clump together they don't rock the boat like muslim communities do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 30 March, 2012 Share Posted 30 March, 2012 In a sense, you can't read too much into this particular by-election. Galloway has been fairly consistent with his anti-war message, which would resonate with a lot of Muslim voters in the area. Lets not forget that it was Labour who decided to join in with the big ol' US adventure, something that will not quickly be forgotten. However, I do genuinely feel that people are going to fall out of love with mainstream parties as things get worse, particularly since we've seen all of them in action in recent times. The spectacle has been far from impressive, and the choice on offer? Well, you can have any colour you like as long as its business-driven neo-liberalism.thats the trouble we had boom years under Blairs Labour party but the bottom of society has not seen any benefits while the richest have seen laws pass which helps them even more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 30 March, 2012 Share Posted 30 March, 2012 In a sense, you can't read too much into this particular by-election. Galloway has been fairly consistent with his anti-war message, which would resonate with a lot of Muslim voters in the area. Lets not forget that it was Labour who decided to join in with the big ol' US adventure, something that will not quickly be forgotten. However, I do genuinely feel that people are going to fall out of love with mainstream parties as things get worse, particularly since we've seen all of them in action in recent times. The spectacle has been far from impressive, and the choice on offer? Well, you can have any colour you like as long as its business-driven neo-liberalism.thats the trouble we had boom years under Blairs Labour party but the bottom of society has not seen any benefits while the richest have seen laws pass which helps them even more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 30 March, 2012 Share Posted 30 March, 2012 It is apartheid through choice. What we've seen with this result (and others that will follow) is conclusive proof that multiculturalism involving muslims has failed. And I single out muslims here because it's wrong to lump the seikhs, hindus, blacks etc in with them because although many of these communities clump together they don't rock the boat like muslim communities do. Pathetic post from the forum racist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 30 March, 2012 Share Posted 30 March, 2012 It is apartheid through choice. What we've seen with this result (and others that will follow) is conclusive proof that multiculturalism involving muslims has failed. And I single out muslims here because it's wrong to lump the seikhs, hindus, blacks etc in with them because although many of these communities clump together they don't rock the boat like muslim communities do. It's clear that you have no historical context here, dune, or at least - a very warped one. How welcome do you think our 50s counterparts made the new immigrants? Do you think they wanted them living in the same street? Sorry mucker, but the establishment of geographical areas largely comprised of a particular ethnic minority simply couldn't have happened without the complicity of the white population. My nan used to tell me that Newtown used to be regarded as 'gentry'. Now, in order for that area of Southampton to have transformed so much, a lot of white people would have had to move out, which they did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintbletch Posted 30 March, 2012 Author Share Posted 30 March, 2012 Not to mention having an independent MP is pretty much like being in a brothel with erectile dysfunction you've got no chance. How is he going to get any of his election aims (assuming he had any) through with a party vote of 1? I assume people voted for him on his anti-war stance I'm sure his one vote will overturn the policy of two successive goverments. Yeah, been thinking the same thing doddisalegend - just without the erectile dysfunction. But I imagine that as a voter, feeling completely unrepresented in parliament on an issue as singularly important as war must feel worse than knowing that your MP's policies will never become law - especially if you occasionally get to see your independent MP representing your specific views when calling the PM to account at PMQs? Also consider that the choice might be between not voting at all (because none of the candidates represents your views) or voting for an independent. In that way it's not a wasted vote - as the vote wouldn't have been cast without an independent candidate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 30 March, 2012 Share Posted 30 March, 2012 Respect are hardly the Muslim Brotherhood. Galloway won, because whatever you think about him, and I don't agree with him before anyone attacks me as a sympathiser, he is an effective campaigner. He got on the ground at this election and made sure his vote turned out. I don't think we can look too much into this though as labour have won the last 5 by elections. Cataclysmic night for the coalition though, doesn't bode well, but was to be expected. And this comes from a paid up member of the Liberal Democrats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orange Posted 30 March, 2012 Share Posted 30 March, 2012 Very sad for Bradford. And yes he's in because of Bradford being flooded with muslims. Gutted that UKIP have not done better here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 30 March, 2012 Share Posted 30 March, 2012 Yeah, been thinking the same thing doddisalegend - just without the erectile dysfunction. But I imagine that as a voter, feeling completely unrepresented in parliament on an issue as singularly important as war must feel worse than knowing that your MP's policies will never become law - especially if you occasionally get to see your independent MP representing your specific views when calling the PM to account at PMQs? Also consider that the choice might be between not voting at all (because none of the candidates represents your views) or voting for an independent. In that way it's not a wasted vote - as the vote wouldn't have been cast without an independent candidate. For most MPs in Government, the commitment to representation public pretty much ends when the returning officer announces the results. Everyone else is pretty much irrelevant when a Government has a working enforceable majority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 30 March, 2012 Share Posted 30 March, 2012 Pathetic post from the forum racist. That's why I did not reply to our resident loon Sent from my HTC Desire using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecuk268 Posted 30 March, 2012 Share Posted 30 March, 2012 I wonder why he won this election? The "Muslim vote"? F**k me I feel sorry for the handful of non-Muslim people left in Bradford. You mean the 62% of people in that constituency. Hardly a handful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 30 March, 2012 Share Posted 30 March, 2012 If anyone is still wondering why Galloway won, you might want to check out his opposition. Eviscerated. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=okKxC4ZNIqw#! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 30 March, 2012 Share Posted 30 March, 2012 So people are upset that a muslim majority voted in a scottish (no doubt protestant) white man instead of a local born muslim man....surely this is democracy at it's finest? Personal I'm upset becuase Galloway is a numpty who will no doubt plague the media for the next couple of years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 30 March, 2012 Share Posted 30 March, 2012 So people are upset that a muslim majority voted in a scottish (no doubt protestant) white man instead of a local born muslim man....surely this is democracy at it's finest? Personal I'm upset becuase Galloway is a numpty who will no doubt plague the media for the next couple of years. George Galloway is a catholic I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 30 March, 2012 Share Posted 30 March, 2012 Numpty though he is he spot on here when he says Labour "must stop imagining that working people and poor people have no option but to support them if they hate the Tory and Liberal Democrat coalition partners. I remember as a youngster people like Michael foot and Tony Benn, who even if you didn't agree with them, were proper socalists. Ever since New Labour it feels like you're faced with three parties whose main defining feature is what colour tie they wear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 30 March, 2012 Share Posted 30 March, 2012 George Galloway is a catholic I believe. Fair enough doesn't change the point though.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 30 March, 2012 Share Posted 30 March, 2012 It is apartheid through choice. What we've seen with this result (and others that will follow) is conclusive proof that multiculturalism involving muslims has failed. And I single out muslims here because it's wrong to lump the seikhs, hindus, blacks etc in with them because although many of these communities clump together they don't rock the boat like muslim communities do. I feel sorry for you, really I do. Your world must be a very frightening one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 30 March, 2012 Share Posted 30 March, 2012 Have you ever listened to galloway on talk sport? Scary stuff, the bloke is a nutter One good thing that station has done is ditch him and his lunacy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 30 March, 2012 Share Posted 30 March, 2012 I worked into the night last night and got home to turn on Sky News, the Labour faces at the count told their own story. They really thought they were going to win this one. If Ed Millibandwagon can't win Bradford what hope has he got, and he was supposed to have had a "good week". His party came second in a one horse race.He should forget who Cameron had for dinner and start worrying about who Balls and Cooper are inviting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 30 March, 2012 Share Posted 30 March, 2012 I feel sorry for you, really I do. Your world must be a very frightening one. Take the blinkers off kid. Everything I said is spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 30 March, 2012 Share Posted 30 March, 2012 Galloway has some contrary views and I disagree with nearly all of them. However he is very smart, an independent thinker and isnt cowed into betraying his principles for a party promotion by the whips. We could do with 650 of his calibre in parliament Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 30 March, 2012 Share Posted 30 March, 2012 I feel sorry for you, really I do. Your world must be a very frightening one. Which bit of his post is wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 30 March, 2012 Share Posted 30 March, 2012 I feel sorry for you, really I do. Your world must be a very frightening one. I feel sorry for you. Constantly posting on threads like this, yet nobody can bring themselves to take you seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 30 March, 2012 Share Posted 30 March, 2012 I feel sorry for you. Constantly posting on threads like this, yet nobody can bring themselves to take you seriously. I take SuperMikey's posts more seriously than yours. HTH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 30 March, 2012 Share Posted 30 March, 2012 Take the blinkers off kid. Everything I said is spot on. I note that you haven't addressed the points in my post. Who lived in Newtown prior to the diverse ethnic mix that live there now? Why did they move out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 30 March, 2012 Share Posted 30 March, 2012 I worked into the night last night and got home to turn on Sky News, the Labour faces at the count told their own story. They really thought they were going to win this one. If Ed Millibandwagon can't win Bradford what hope has he got, and he was supposed to have had a "good week". His party came second in a one horse race.He should forget who Cameron had for dinner and start worrying about who Balls and Cooper are inviting. Have you looked at the percentage swings? Tories lost a greater percentage of their (admittedly pathetic) vote than Labour. The Lib Dems didn't even get their deposit back. Completely agree that this is a disaster for the Labour Party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecuk268 Posted 30 March, 2012 Share Posted 30 March, 2012 A few people were pretty confident of the result. The Labour guy was 50-1 on whereas George was 33-1. Due to a load of bets suddenly being placed on George, the odds were shortened and betting was, at one point briefly suspended. Nevertheless, a few punters walked away with £100k from Ladbrokes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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