Fuel in the tank?

[Saintandy666]

if only all these people did not read the mail eh...

 

Not just the Mail and co. It's mainly the governments fault. They have made a total balls up of their response to this. It has not been a good week for the coalition and labour are skyrocketing in the polls. I bet they can't believe their luck.

 

it also seems the Sun have it in for David Cameron and the Tories now post-hacking scandal, so they should be afraid.

[Lord Duckhunter]

I hope these queues caused by the Daily Mail readers are going to form part of The Leveson Inquiry. I just hope to god Hugh Grant and Steve Coogan weren't stuck in a queue and late for appointments, otherwise the Beeb will be wheeling them out on newsnight tonight.

[Thedelldays]

Not just the Mail and co. It's mainly the governments fault. They have made a total balls up of their response to this. It has not been a good week for the coalition and labour are skyrocketing in the polls. I bet they can't believe their luck.

 

it also seems the Sun have it in for David Cameron and the Tories now post-hacking scandal, so they should be afraid.

seriously, people in the real world do not hang off every word the government says.....

 

most people don't sit there and watch opinion polls and disect everything an MP says to us.

christ andy, you need to live a little

[Saintandy666]

seriously, people in the real world do not hang off every word the government says.....

 

most people don't sit there and watch opinion polls and disect everything an MP says to us.

christ andy, you need to live a little

 

Not saying that at all. All I'm saying is that the government told people to stock up with cans in their garages and fill up their cars, so people went out to petrol stations causing shortages. They exacerbated the problem.

 

I live very well thank you.

[Thedelldays]

Not saying that at all. All I'm saying is that the government told people to stock up with cans in their garages and fill up their cars, so people went out to petrol stations causing shortages. They exacerbated the problem.

 

I live very well thank you.

if people listen to every word of the government...why are they not calming down..they have been saying for 2 days, DONT panic buy...?

[Saintandy666]

if people listen to every word of the government...why are they not calming down..they have been saying for 2 days, DONT panic buy...?

 

Because the original message was stock up now. But the strike isn't coming any time soon, so there is no need to stock up as that petrol station owner said. They have reverted back on that now to keep your tank over half full. Which still encourages people to go out and buy buy buy!

 

I have never claimed people have ever listened to every word the government has said. You put words in my mouth.

[buctootim]

I hope these queues caused by the Daily Mail readers are going to form part of The Leveson Inquiry. I just hope to god Hugh Grant and Steve Coogan weren't stuck in a queue and late for appointments, otherwise the Beeb will be wheeling them out on newsnight tonight.

 

You got to admit it was a ****ing stupid thing to say though - "buy more fuel now (and thereby creating a demand surge the industry wasnt prepared for) just in case there is industrial action at some point in the future -which the union would have to give 7 days notice of anyway"

[Saintandy666]

You got to admit it was a ****ing stupid thing to say though - "buy more fuel now (and thereby creating a demand surge the industry wasnt prepared for) just in case there is industrial action at some point in the future -which the union would have to give 7 days notice of anyway"

 

Thank you. Pretty much all I want to say.

[Lord Duckhunter]

Thank you. Pretty much all I want to say.

 

Plus the bit about Dail mail readers, dont forget that important point.

[Saintandy666]

Plus the bit about Dail mail readers, dont forget that important point.

 

I meant the general tabloid media. Nothing against Mail readers. Some of my family are among them.

[stevegrant]

The AA reckon that the surge in panic buying will have provided an additional £32m in fuel excise duty to the government, right at the end of the tax year

[Saintandy666]

The AA reckon that the surge in panic buying will have provided an additional £32m in fuel excise duty to the government, right at the end of the tax year

 

Every cloud... Good news for Gideon at last then

[trousers]

At least the government wouldn't have been slagged off if they had kept shtum up until the unions call a strike (assuming they do)....

 

You wouldn't have heard Ed Milliband saying "why didn't the government give people more notice? The calling of a strike only gives 7 days notice and of course people are going to panic buy on day 1"

 

None of the above would have happened....

[Saintandy666]

At least the government wouldn't have been slagged off if they had kept shtum up until the unions call a strike (assuming they do)....

 

You wouldn't have heard Ed Milliband saying "why didn't the government give people more notice? The calling of a strike only gives 7 days notice and of course people are going to panic buy on day 1"

 

None of the above would have happened....

 

I read that just a minute ago somewhere that it is more than likely there will be no strike now, at least it is leaning that way.

 

Can someone enlighten me as to what this is specifically about as officially it is 'Health and Safety and Terms and Conditions' which could be pretty much anything...

[derry]

It will take 7 days to organise a strike, everybody will have a full tank, the filling stations will all be topped up, Texaco and Wessex Petroleum aren't involved, topping up won't empty the filling stations so the strike could be inneffective.

[stevegrant]

Can someone enlighten me as to what this is specifically about as officially it is 'Health and Safety and Terms and Conditions' which could be pretty much anything...

Basically they want more money. If the tube drivers can bring the whole of London to a standstill, why not do the same to the nation's roads?

[Saintandy666]

Basically they want more money. If the tube drivers can bring the whole of London to a standstill, why not do the same to the nation's roads?

 

Cheers. How much more money do they want?

[Jeff Le Taxi]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/mar/27/tanker-driver-strike-responsible-standards

 

not as simple as pure money.

[Jeff Le Taxi]

Tory government 1 ordiary working man 0 ..............................so far.

[Jeff Le Taxi]

You got to admit it was a ****ing stupid thing to say though - "buy more fuel now (and thereby creating a demand surge the industry wasnt prepared for) just in case there is industrial action at some point in the future -which the union would have to give 7 days notice of anyway"

 

or very cunning......

 

The working class arent as stupid as the govt. thinks though .......hopefully!

[ecuk268]

Basically they want more money.

Not really.

 

We use Hoyers who also do a lot of the fuel companies haulage. The petrol companies switch hauliers at the drop of a hat as one undercuts the other, so the drivers have little security and, if their company loses the contract, they have to move to whoever wins it. This can mean lower wages and worse conditions.

 

I was talking with one guy who is in 6 different pension schemes as he has had to change employers so often. He was also on a rolling 2-hour shift change. So would start work at, say, 6.00 one week and 8.00 the next week then 10.00 etc through 24 hours. Not too good for the health or family life.

 

Not something I would do.

[Lord Duckhunter]

Funny how the "Health and Safety" concerns arise now we have a Tory led coalition. A spokesman on Sky news this afternoon said the regulations were exactly the same under Labour. 2 questions for the lefties, Labour had 13 years to regulate and make things safer, why didn't they? And why was their no strike action on these "important" H&S concerns during their time in office.

 

The union can't be playing politics as lefties are above that sort of thing, so it's all very strange...........

[pap]

Funny how the "Health and Safety" concerns arise now we have a Tory led coalition. A spokesman on Sky news this afternoon said the regulations were exactly the same under Labour. 2 questions for the lefties, Labour had 13 years to regulate and make things safer, why didn't they? And why was their no strike action on these "important" H&S concerns during their time in office.

 

The union can't be playing politics as lefties are above that sort of thing, so it's all very strange...........

 

So you're happy enough with the idea of truckers rolling around with thousands of gallons of flammable material on Britain's public highways with less than satisfactory safety or working conditions?

[Thedelldays]

So you're happy enough with the idea of truckers rolling around with thousands of gallons of flammable material on Britain's public highways with less than satisfactory safety or working conditions?

i wonder if Red Ed, at one of his dinners, talked about this with his unions chums..?

[stevegrant]

He was also on a rolling 2-hour shift change. So would start work at, say, 6.00 one week and 8.00 the next week then 10.00 etc through 24 hours. Not too good for the health or family life.

Surely that depends on how long the shifts are. There are loads of careers that require shift-work, including all of the emergency services - while many of them have grievances about their jobs, health problems as a result of the shift patterns don't tend to be among them.

[Thedelldays]

Not really.

 

We use Hoyers who also do a lot of the fuel companies haulage. The petrol companies switch hauliers at the drop of a hat as one undercuts the other, so the drivers have little security and, if their company loses the contract, they have to move to whoever wins it. This can mean lower wages and worse conditions.

 

I was talking with one guy who is in 6 different pension schemes as he has had to change employers so often. He was also on a rolling 2-hour shift change. So would start work at, say, 6.00 one week and 8.00 the next week then 10.00 etc through 24 hours. Not too good for the health or family life.

 

Not something I would do.

get a new fecking job then

[dune]

The AA reckon that the surge in panic buying will have provided an additional £32m in fuel excise duty to the government, right at the end of the tax year

 

Isn't that about 10 seconds worth of interest on the debt mountain left by Labour?

[pap]

i wonder if Red Ed, at one of his dinners, talked about this with his unions chums..?

 

Hmm. Waiting on something to finish, so have the rare opportunity to deconstruct one of TDDs posts.

 

Red Ed

Oooh. Communist! We used to hate them, remember!

 

Dinners

Miliband eats food, perhaps with important people. The absolute b*stard. How dare he?

 

Unions chums (sic)

Wah! Unions. Winter of discontent! Rubbish flowing in the streets! We couldn't bury our dead!

 

Keep 'em coming, TDD. I think the program I'm waiting on has a little while to run yet.

[Thedelldays]

Hmm. Waiting on something to finish, so have the rare opportunity to deconstruct one of TDDs posts.

 

Red Ed

Oooh. Communist! We used to hate them, remember!

 

Dinners

Miliband eats food, perhaps with important people. The absolute b*stard. How dare he?

 

Unions chums (sic)

Wah! Unions. Winter of discontent! Rubbish flowing in the streets! We couldn't bury our dead!

 

Keep 'em coming, TDD. I think the program I'm waiting on has a little while to run yet.

indeed...same for cam..eh?

[stevegrant]

Isn't that about 10 seconds worth of interest on the debt mountain left by Labour?

I neither know nor care

[bristolsaint29]

Surely that depends on how long the shifts are. There are loads of careers that require shift-work, including all of the emergency services - while many of them have grievances about their jobs, health problems as a result of the shift patterns don't tend to be among them.

 

They are unable to work over 45 hrs per week over a rolling 26 week period, they have to have a minimum 11 hr break between shifts(can be reduced twice a week), the only other industry where hours are as heavily regulated are Airline pilots.

 

I personally know for a fact some of these guys still get paid when there is no run to do and are guaranteed 10 hrs a day pay for this.

 

Yes people are undercutting but that is the state of the whole haulage industry not just the petroleum side as ironically FUEL costs are forcing down margins and companies have to be more competitive on there costings and overheads.

[dune]

Has Bean and Balls been photographed looking glum, petrol pump nozzle in hand, at an empty filling station yet?

[warsash saint]

Would be a good opprtnity to jump on the bangwagon & restart the protests on the ridiclous price at the pumps !

[pap]

indeed...same for cam..eh?

 

You know what? Just after the EU veto I'd have said Cameron was a dead cert to get a majority, even after the complete lack of leadership during the riots.

 

I'm not so sure now. They seem to mess up everything they touch, the country is back in recession ( according to the OECD ) and unemployment is at an 18 year high. Furthermore, dropping the top rate of tax was an electoral disaster, undoing all their efforts to present themselves as more compassionate and reinstating the "party of the rich" tagline.

 

They're pulling negative press from pretty much all the tabloids.

 

Would you say those were ideal conditions for re-election?

[Thedelldays]

You know what? Just after the EU veto I'd have said Cameron was a dead cert to get a majority, even after the complete lack of leadership during the riots.

 

I'm not so sure now. They seem to mess up everything they touch, the country is back in recession ( according to the OECD ) and unemployment is at an 18 year high. Furthermore, dropping the top rate of tax was an electoral disaster, undoing all their efforts to present themselves as more compassionate and reinstating the "party of the rich" tagline.

 

They're pulling negative press from pretty much all the tabloids.

 

Would you say those were ideal conditions for re-election?

luckily FOR THEM. they don't have to worry about that for another 3 years

[stevegrant]

luckily FOR THEM. they don't have to worry about that for another 3 years

Also luckily for them, they have one of the weakest oppositions in living memory.

[pap]

luckily FOR THEM. they don't have to worry about that for another 3 years

 

I know we've moved to 5 year elections, but nothing is set in stone, TDD. With the make-up of Parliament being what it is, the whole thing could be undone if the Lib Dems left the coalition. Don't think it'll happen myself - they need the time just as much as the Conservatives.

 

Anyway, the three years thing only really works if they manage to make significant improvements to the country's prospects in that time. Judging by their performance to date, I just don't think that's likely.

[Thedelldays]

I know we've moved to 5 year elections, but nothing is set in stone, TDD. With the make-up of Parliament being what it is, the whole thing could be undone if the Lib Dems left the coalition. Don't think it'll happen myself - they need the time just as much as the Conservatives.

 

Anyway, the three years thing only really works if they manage to make significant improvements to the country's prospects in that time. Judging by their performance to date, I just don't think that's likely.

you desperately hope so

[pap]

Also luckily for them, they have one of the weakest oppositions in living memory.

 

Have you watched Prime Minister's Questions in say, the past three months? Each week, Cameron is reduced to either finding one Labour nut-job and presenting it as the view of the entire party or a substance-free soundbite dreamed up by a failed comedy writer.

 

Also, do you remember the oppositions of William Hague, Iain Duncan Smith or Michael Howard?

 

I am led to one of two conclusions. You either made your point without really thinking about it, or you are eighteen months old.

[pap]

you desperately hope so

 

I actually do.

 

This is a bandit government. It is not interested in the people, just getting as much as it can for its mates before it is turfed out.

[Thedelldays]

Have you watched Prime Minister's Questions in say, the past three months? Each week, Cameron is reduced to either finding one Labour nut-job and presenting it as the view of the entire party or a substance-free soundbite dreamed up by a failed comedy writer.

 

Also, do you remember the oppositions of William Hague, Iain Duncan Smith or Michael Howard?

 

I am led to one of two conclusions. You either made your point without really thinking about it, or you are eighteen months old.

no, and I am willing to bet a vast amount of money that 99.9% of the nation does not either. what will decide it will the the final 6-9 months of this government

[Thedelldays]

I actually do.

 

This is a bandit government. It is not interested in the people, just getting as much as it can for its mates before it is turfed out.

and of course, the other lot are going to be oh so different...just like last time...yeah..?

[scotty]

Also luckily for them, they have one of the weakest oppositions in living memory.

 

There is an opposition? wtf??

[pap]

and of course, the other lot are going to be oh so different...just like last time...yeah..?

 

Hmm, last time:-

 

Minimum wage

Assistance for students in further education

Sorted out Northern Ireland

Introduced winter fuel payment for pensioners

Free TV licences for over 75s

Increases in child benefit

Introduction of tax credits for families

Devolved power to Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland

 

Boy, they were really in it for themselves, eh?

[Thedelldays]

Hmm, last time:-

 

Minimum wage

Assistance for students in further education

Sorted out Northern Ireland

Introduced winter fuel payment for pensioners

Free TV licences for over 75s

Increases in child benefit

Introduction of tax credits for families

Devolved power to Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland

 

Boy, they were really in it for themselves, eh?

 

christ, the damage they did is there for all to see

[stevegrant]

Ah good, what this forum really needed was a red equivalent of dune

 

[dune]

Would be a good opprtnity to jump on the bangwagon & restart the protests on the ridiclous price at the pumps !

 

I've always said there should be two prices. One for those of us who didn't vote Labour, and one for the thick people who voted Labour and put this country in the mess it's in. Why should I have to pay for the thicko Labour voters?

[pap]

Ah good, what this forum really needed was a red equivalent of dune

 

 

Oh, so you are eighteen months old. Fair enough then.

[pap]

christ, the damage they did is there for all to see

 

Care to explain (any of your) point(s)?.

[Thedelldays]

Care to explain (any of your) point(s)?.

why, we are living it