The Cat Posted 15 May, 2012 Share Posted 15 May, 2012 Also Hodgson didn't get the chance to spend £32 billion pounds on players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Saint Posted 16 May, 2012 Share Posted 16 May, 2012 I wonder what it will take for the scousers to change from King Kenny to 'kin Kenny? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 16 May, 2012 Share Posted 16 May, 2012 I wonder if there's a new manager online poll in the Liverpool Echo that Pompey fans are rigging to get Adkins as the number one choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 16 May, 2012 Share Posted 16 May, 2012 Lots of football fans really do think like this don't they. Jesus. RH had Dalgleish in the background, the fans not showing any support, little in the way of funds, an injured Gerrard, a disgruntled Torres. He would have been criticised for selling Torres, but it's fine for KD. He got criticised for dropping Carragher, but it clearly needed doing. KG has an absolute fortune to spend, the full backing of every supporter and player and more importantly, TIME. A season and a half, plenty of time to assess, and he'd already been in the background for ages, knows the club inside out, had a few transfer windows. Big changes, huge outlays, and poor results. Worse still, erratic results, with little indication it will get better long term. A cup win in a competition many clubs didn't seem to care about, victorious because a playoff side from the championship couldn't score penalties. No offence really, but nothing better highlights the sheer ignorance of basing opinions on win ratios. So how else do you want to judge a Manager? Trophy's? Hodgson was the first Liverpool manager since before Bill Shankly to not win one. Away results? Hodgson won 1 away league game as Liverpool Manager. Cup? Hodgson became the first Liverpool Manager to lose a cup game to a 4th tier outfit in the whole of their history. Signings? Danny Wilson, Brad Jones , Paul Konchesky , Christian Poulsen , Joe Cole , Raul Meireles, he may not have had the £'s KD had, but he wasted money. The post I was responding to was one that claimed KD had done worse than Hodgson. So I'll ask you, in what measurable way was Hodgsons record better? KD has got an average record since his return, anyone else would have got the bullet by now. But, that does not make Roy Hodgson's record any better. It was even worse than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 16 May, 2012 Share Posted 16 May, 2012 King Kenny is TOAST Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 16 May, 2012 Share Posted 16 May, 2012 Just announced on the BBC that he's stepped down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 16 May, 2012 Share Posted 16 May, 2012 Well, the timing is great from a Saints perspective. Nige not currently proven in the Prem, so hopefully not on their radar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 16 May, 2012 Share Posted 16 May, 2012 main board first thread sweepstake 16.32 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 16 May, 2012 Share Posted 16 May, 2012 Well, the timing is great from a Saints perspective. Nige not currently proven in the Prem, so hopefully not on their radar. Although the sports now was saying that they might well go for a young upcoming manager rather than someone from the old guard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dinger Posted 16 May, 2012 Share Posted 16 May, 2012 Although the sports now was saying that they might well go for a young upcoming manager rather than someone from the old guard By which they surely mean someone like Martinez, rather than someone untested in any top division? The Scouse fans would never wear it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 16 May, 2012 Share Posted 16 May, 2012 They believe any old crap on the main board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 16 May, 2012 Share Posted 16 May, 2012 They're all going for Rafa on here; http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=293625.0 And it's this kind of mentality which p1sses so many people off. F()cking arrogant weirdos; Theres only one person for me and he lives about 3 miles away. No Martinez, No Brendan Rogers, no ****e please. Someone who gets the club and is one of the mosy tactically astute managers in Europe. Gutted for Kenny. But I said it wold end this way. Still a legend. and.... If they approach Brendan Rogers, Roberto Martinez or Paul Lambert, I will be absolutely ****ing fuming. I feel like we are deliberately being asset stripped of personnel. It really doesn't follow any logic. and... "Quote from: rowan_d on Today at 04:40:12 PM Realistic and ideal: Rafa Realistic and not ideal: Martinez and Lambert Realistic and undecided: Rodgers Unrealistic and ideal: Klopp" Agree with that. Who would seriously suggest Lambert/Rodgers for the job ?? Who next Pardew ??!!?? Morons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 16 May, 2012 Share Posted 16 May, 2012 About time too. I wonder if the scousers will have an annual day of mourning for this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 16 May, 2012 Share Posted 16 May, 2012 About time too. I wonder if the scousers will have an annual day of mourning for this? They'll never play on this day again, i'm sure of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 16 May, 2012 Share Posted 16 May, 2012 They're all going for Rafa on here; http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=293625.0 And it's this kind of mentality which p1sses so many people off. F()cking arrogant weirdos; and.... and... Morons. We had people claiming Martin O Neil was going to be our next Manager, whilst we were in League 1............... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 16 May, 2012 Share Posted 16 May, 2012 We had people claiming Martin O Neil was going to be our next Manager, whilst we were in League 1............... Spot on, Lord D. I'm reading the scouse forum at the moment as it goes. They have some rather colourful posters on there. So far, a lot of them want Rafa. Some have even mentioned that he is local. How is that really relevant? Surely any incoming manager would move to the area? Some want Klopp, but many have said that's unrealistic. Many of them consider Martinez, Rogers and Lambert to be flavour of the month managers. Interestingly, David Dein has been hired as a consultant at LFC. FSG are basically having a complete clear-out at the moment. I've a sneaking suspicion that this has been in planning for months, and that they already know who their new management team is going to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericofarabia Posted 16 May, 2012 Share Posted 16 May, 2012 At Last!!! .... Downing gets his first Assist of the season - King Kenny gets sacked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 18 May, 2012 Author Share Posted 18 May, 2012 LOL brendan rogers says NO THANKS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonswan Posted 18 May, 2012 Share Posted 18 May, 2012 LOL brendan rogers says NO THANKS Why did they even ask? Surely not proved himself sufficiently at Premier League level yet. On a personal level, Rodgers' departure from Watford to Reading was a disaster, which he well remembers. The grass isn't always greener. Brendan has lost both his parents in the last year but incredibly got Swans to 11th. Everyone knows the second season is much harder. Probably challenge enough for BR right now. Strange move from Liverpool really. Also need a DOF and several other roles. Sounds like chaos to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 18 May, 2012 Share Posted 18 May, 2012 Why did they even ask? Surely not proved himself sufficiently at Premier League level yet. On a personal level, Rodgers' departure from Watford to Reading was a disaster, which he well remembers. The grass isn't always greener. Brendan has lost both his parents in the last year but incredibly got Swans to 11th. Everyone knows the second season is much harder. Probably challenge enough for BR right now. Strange move from Liverpool really. Also need a DOF and several other roles. Sounds like chaos to me. As I said on the other thread, if Liverpool are looking at Rodgers and Martinez, they'd be mental not to look at Nige. He's won more than both put together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 18 May, 2012 Share Posted 18 May, 2012 As I said on the other thread, if Liverpool are looking at Rodgers and Martinez, they'd be mental not to look at Nige. He's won more than both put together. Not really. A successful year in the Prem will always count for more than anything Adkins has done to date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 18 May, 2012 Share Posted 18 May, 2012 Not really. A successful year in the Prem will always count for more than anything Adkins has done to date. Winning is winning. Standard of opposition is always a factor, but Nige didn't manage back-to-back promotions just because he wasn't playing Premiership opposition. The bloke has a history of over-achievement - how many of us really thought we'd be in the Prem this year? Our run at the end of last season that kept Huddersfield at bay was immense. The noises coming out of FSG indicate they want a young, talented manager. Their MD went on record yesterday denying that they were only considering top level managers. Reports today suggest the shortlist could contain twelve candidates. The truth is that neither of us know what their selection criteria are. So far, the names being bandied about range from respected relegation specialists like Robert Martinez all the way up to Pep "leave me the f*ck alone for a year" Guardiola. The club got into hot water today for tweeting fans about their opinions for a new manager, although they claimed it was for a fun feature (quite why they are expecting fun out of the mourning Dalglish lovers is beyond me). Whatever. Twelve candidates looks like a scattergun approach to me. If their aim is to get 4th, then Martinez, Rodgers are absolute gambles too - and they're talking to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 18 May, 2012 Share Posted 18 May, 2012 Winning is winning. Standard of opposition is always a factor, but Nige didn't manage back-to-back promotions just because he wasn't playing Premiership opposition. The bloke has a history of over-achievement - how many of us really thought we'd be in the Prem this year? Our run at the end of last season that kept Huddersfield at bay was immense. The noises coming out of FSG indicate they want a young, talented manager. Their MD went on record yesterday denying that they were only considering top level managers. Reports today suggest the shortlist could contain twelve candidates. The truth is that neither of us know what their selection criteria are. So far, the names being bandied about range from respected relegation specialists like Robert Martinez all the way up to Pep "leave me the f*ck alone for a year" Guardiola. The club got into hot water today for tweeting fans about their opinions for a new manager, although they claimed it was for a fun feature (quite why they are expecting fun out of the mourning Dalglish lovers is beyond me). Whatever. Twelve candidates looks like a scattergun approach to me. If their aim is to get 4th, then Martinez, Rodgers are absolute gambles too - and they're talking to them. I don't really disagree with anything you say, but my point still stands. It'll be an interesting appointment whoever they go for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 18 May, 2012 Author Share Posted 18 May, 2012 As I said on the other thread, if Liverpool are looking at Rodgers and Martinez, they'd be mental not to look at Nige. He's won more than both put together. why no di canio...why not sturrock then..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonswan Posted 18 May, 2012 Share Posted 18 May, 2012 Twelve candidates looks like a scattergun approach to me. If their aim is to get 4th, then Martinez, Rodgers are absolute gambles too - and they're talking to them. On this I certainly agree. Scattergun was the very word that came to my mind too. In today's article on the Beeb Brendan Rodgers 'no' to Liverpool talks but Roberto Martinez in frame it states Owners Tom Werner and John W Henry are based in the United States, while the Reds are also looking for a director of football, a chief executive and a director of communications. Surely they need to get the DoF in first?!! If all the CE / DoF candidates have reservations about the manager appointment, what then? There's enough here to suggest that behind the scenes turmoil will produce a really poor outcome next year as well. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 18 May, 2012 Share Posted 18 May, 2012 On this I certainly agree. Scattergun was the very word that came to my mind too. In today's article on the Beeb Brendan Rodgers 'no' to Liverpool talks but Roberto Martinez in frame it states Surely they need to get the DoF in first?!! If all the CE / DoF candidates have reservations about the manager appointment, what then? There's enough here to suggest that behind the scenes turmoil will produce a really poor outcome next year as well. LOL From the outside, does seem like a bit of a clusterf*ck, but probably worth remembering that these guys aren't the latest sheik to roll into town. Managing big sports clubs is their business, and to me at least, this looks like the implementation of plan A more than anything else. These guys have never really had their own man in. As Sour Mash says, it's going to be an interesting appointment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 21 May, 2012 Share Posted 21 May, 2012 Apparently Frank de Boer has turned them down,bloke who actually gets the job will be at least their 2nd choice then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 23 May, 2012 Share Posted 23 May, 2012 Louis van Gaal being lined up for senior management role at Liverpool, probably sporting director. http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/may/22/louis-van-gaal-liverpool Increases the likelihood of Liverpool going for a young and hungry manager, imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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