The9 Posted 19 March, 2012 Share Posted 19 March, 2012 (edited) Thanks to a new feature filtering players against the season's results on Soccerbase, I've managed to produce this little table of stats for our most winning players this season. http://www.soccerbase.com/teams/team.sd?team_id=2471&comp_id=2&teamTabs=results NB : Players are only counted for a win if they STARTED the match, only players with 10 or more starts are included, this is for all competitive matches this season. Saints' average this season is 57% Wins, 23% draws and 20% losses. WIN PERCENTAGES : Chaplow 73 Lallana 60 Hooiveld 59 Fonte 59 Harding 59 Schneiderlin 59 Lambert 58 Davis 58 Hammond 57 Guly 57 Cork 54 Fox 53 Richardson 50 Connolly 47 Martin 43 For those of you interested in quirks of tiny statistical samples : Butterfield 80 (5 starts) Holmes 75 (4 starts) Lee 60 (5 starts) Bialkowski 50 (8 starts) De Ridder 44 (9 starts, though it goes up to 57% if sub appearances are included) Puncheon 25 (4 starts) A few highlights : - Despite being one of the leading assisters in the division, Frazer Richardson has a win % of only 50%, whilst Saints have won 80% of their matches without him ! - The stats (from a smallish sample) seem to support the theory that De Ridder shouldn't start. - Chaplow and Lallana are the "winningest" regulars - Dan Harding has a much higher win percentage than Danny Fox, with both having started more than 10 times this season. - Connolly and Martin have the lowest win percentage of starters playing more than 10 matches. There's a fairly obvious skew of results in cup games where we played weakened sides which is acting against some players, but these are the raw figures. Edited 19 March, 2012 by The9 Added URL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 19 March, 2012 Share Posted 19 March, 2012 Im pretty sure a couple of weeks ago Adam Blackmore said Saints had never lost with Hooiveld in the team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat from Poole Posted 19 March, 2012 Share Posted 19 March, 2012 Lost at Cardiff with him playing, I'm sure of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 19 March, 2012 Share Posted 19 March, 2012 Lambert out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 19 March, 2012 Author Share Posted 19 March, 2012 Cardiff (A), Bristol City twice, Doncaster (A), Brighton (A) and Leicester (H) all had Hooiveld in losing starts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 19 March, 2012 Share Posted 19 March, 2012 Im pretty sure a couple of weeks ago Adam Blackmore said Saints had never lost with Hooiveld in the teamIf that carnt tempts fate live on radio during a match one more time this season I am going to take out a contract on him.....not that I am at all superstitious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaysaint Posted 19 March, 2012 Share Posted 19 March, 2012 Obviously loads of holes can be picked in this until it's meaningless. For example, Martin would only be called up to an injury depleted side, meaning we'd be more likely to lose his matches. Also it could be argued the other way around that it was lucky for Chaplow that he was injured at a time when our form dropped, so he didn't have to be involved in those games. Also as somebody else pointed out, you've included games where they started, but Chaplow started on Saturday, but was taken off while while we were losing. It was without him that we won. It's interesting, but you can't draw much from it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 19 March, 2012 Author Share Posted 19 March, 2012 Lambert out! The one thing the figures DON'T show is how many matches players have played - logically the players with the most appearances are more likely to be near the arithmetic mean, i.e. 57% - Lallana's 60% over 35 matches is as impressive as Chaplow's 73% in his 15 starts. Don't expect me to start producing pie charts, ranges or standard deviations though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 19 March, 2012 Share Posted 19 March, 2012 Lost at Cardiff with him playing, I'm sure of it.I expect the winner went in just after Blackmore made the observation! It was Hooiveld who gave the winner away as well was it not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 19 March, 2012 Author Share Posted 19 March, 2012 (edited) Obviously loads of holes can be picked in this until it's meaningless. For example, Martin would only be called up to an injury depleted side, meaning we'd be more likely to lose his matches. Also it could be argued the other way around that it was lucky for Chaplow that he was injured at a time when our form dropped, so he didn't have to be involved in those games. Also as somebody else pointed out, you've included games where they started, but Chaplow started on Saturday, but was taken off while while we were losing. It was without him that we won. It's interesting, but you can't draw much from it. You can draw a correlation between wins and the players playing in those wins, for whatever reason. It was me that pointed out it's only for games they've started, I only had a lunchtime . I'd also add that Martin being part of a depleted side because he's in it is about as strong a correlation as you can get... we lose more games with him playing because he's not as good, rather than it being the other way around. Edited 19 March, 2012 by The9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 19 March, 2012 Share Posted 19 March, 2012 Don't expect me to start producing pie charts, ranges or standard deviations though. Why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 19 March, 2012 Share Posted 19 March, 2012 (edited) Cardiff (A), Bristol City twice, Doncaster (A), Brighton (A) and Leicester (H) all had Hooiveld in losing starts. What's certain is that with Jos and José together at the back we've lost very few matches,if any. Edited 19 March, 2012 by Window Cleaner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 19 March, 2012 Share Posted 19 March, 2012 Lost at Cardiff with him playing, I'm sure of it. Just looked it up - you're right, back in September. Oh well that was bull**** then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 19 March, 2012 Author Share Posted 19 March, 2012 Why not? Because no-one's bought me a nice statistical presentation package. Any offers, I could do with an new blog idea now I've canned ridiculous football..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 19 March, 2012 Share Posted 19 March, 2012 can you filter in the home / away percentages as well... Pie chart form preferably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 19 March, 2012 Author Share Posted 19 March, 2012 nope Jos certainly didn't play either at home to Leicester or at home to Bristol, you'd have to check the others out one by one. What's certain is that with Jos and José together at the back we've lost very few matches,if any. He really did, you know : http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/16312545 http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/16571369 though he did go off against Leicester after 65 minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 19 March, 2012 Author Share Posted 19 March, 2012 can you filter in the home / away percentages as well... Pie chart form preferably. Not yet, ask Soccerbase . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 19 March, 2012 Share Posted 19 March, 2012 He really did, you know : http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/16312545 http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/16571369 though he did go off against Leicester after 65 minutes. yep checked, I got it wrong and edited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 19 March, 2012 Share Posted 19 March, 2012 Don't expect me to start producing pie charts, ranges or standard deviations though. That's EXACTLY what I'd expect from you, so if you're not going to do them, I'm quite happy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 19 March, 2012 Author Share Posted 19 March, 2012 What's certain is that with Jos and José together at the back we've lost very few matches,if any. Actually... 62% win rate with them both starting, Only 12% defeats (3 games - Doncaster A, Bristol City A and Cardiff A) Matches with J Fonte and J Hooiveld W16 D7 L3 As a %: 62 27 12 Matches without J Fonte and J Hooiveld 9 3 6 As a %: 50 17 33 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 19 March, 2012 Author Share Posted 19 March, 2012 yep checked, I got it wrong and edited. Worth noting also that due to Hooiveld's late start, they weren't our partnership in the W6 L1 opening 7 matches either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 19 March, 2012 Author Share Posted 19 March, 2012 That's EXACTLY what I'd expect from you, so if you're not going to do them, I'm quite happy! I have no intention of ever using my 1999 Royal Statistical Society qualification, I assure you ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_John Posted 19 March, 2012 Share Posted 19 March, 2012 Last season (2010/11) shows up an interesting stat :- Saints - 32-8-13 (60%-15%- 25%) No surprise if I say Adam was our most important player :-26-4-5 (74%-11%-14%). However Alex record was only :- 16-7-7 (53%-23%-23%), which was below the average for the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted 19 March, 2012 Share Posted 19 March, 2012 Because no-one's bought me a nice statistical presentation package. Any offers, I could do with an new blog idea now I've canned ridiculous football..? Do you have actually have a job any more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CFSFC Posted 19 March, 2012 Share Posted 19 March, 2012 Thanks to a new feature filtering players against the season's results on Soccerbase, I've managed to produce this little table of stats for our most winning players this season. http://www.soccerbase.com/teams/team.sd?team_id=2471&comp_id=2&teamTabs=results NB : Players are only counted for a win if they STARTED the match, only players with 10 or more starts are included, this is for all competitive matches this season. Saints' average this season is 57% Wins, 23% draws and 20% losses. WIN PERCENTAGES : Chaplow 73 Lallana 60 Hooiveld 59 Fonte 59 Harding 59 Schneiderlin 59 Lambert 58 Davis 58 Hammond 57 Guly 57 Cork 54 Fox 53 Richardson 50 Connolly 47 Martin 43 For those of you interested in quirks of tiny statistical samples : Butterfield 80 (5 starts) Holmes 75 (4 starts) Lee 60 (5 starts) Bialkowski 50 (8 starts) De Ridder 44 (9 starts, though it goes up to 57% if sub appearances are included) Puncheon 25 (4 starts) A few highlights : - Despite being one of the leading assisters in the division, Frazer Richardson has a win % of only 50%, whilst Saints have won 80% of their matches without him ! - The stats (from a smallish sample) seem to support the theory that De Ridder shouldn't start. - Chaplow and Lallana are the "winningest" regulars - Dan Harding has a much higher win percentage than Danny Fox, with both having started more than 10 times this season. - Connolly and Martin have the lowest win percentage of starters playing more than 10 matches. There's a fairly obvious skew of results in cup games where we played weakened sides which is acting against some players, but these are the raw figures. Silly stat. That is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 20 March, 2012 Author Share Posted 20 March, 2012 Silly stat. That is all. Incorrect. That is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 20 March, 2012 Author Share Posted 20 March, 2012 Do you have actually have a job any more? Shortly I shall be going into space, visiting numerous countries to have wacky adventures, and noticing Tadanari Lee uses washing powder with my face mixed with a lightbulb on the box. I'm not as funny as I used to be though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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