lordswoodsaints Posted 11 March, 2012 Share Posted 11 March, 2012 Will we be in the prem fighting for survival,or charging up the league? Will we still be in the championship challenging for promotion again or struggling? Will we be able to keep hold of lambert,lallana etc or will they be struggling to gain a place because of better players coming in? 12 months is a very long time in football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 11 March, 2012 Share Posted 11 March, 2012 17th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SammyJ Posted 11 March, 2012 Share Posted 11 March, 2012 Above p#mpy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattio Posted 11 March, 2012 Share Posted 11 March, 2012 11th in the prem with 38 points Carling Cup Semi Finalists In the 6th round of the FA cup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey-deacons-left-nut Posted 11 March, 2012 Share Posted 11 March, 2012 Honestly?? I really don't care.....would rather stay in championship than the premiership though.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 11 March, 2012 Share Posted 11 March, 2012 I think we will be about 12th in the Premier League, with the club announcing around about now that we have been sold to a South African/Japanese/Russian/American group of investors. If the Leibherrs want to get a return on their investment, then this time next year, when we are in the Premier League and looking safe for another season, is the best time to sell us on. Let's just hope they aren't mental case Indian chicken farmers, or full-of-it Yanks mortgaging the club they don't own to the hilt to generate cash to buy the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano6 Posted 12 March, 2012 Share Posted 12 March, 2012 17th. This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 13 March, 2012 Share Posted 13 March, 2012 Having a read through this thread and having a chortle at how wrong most people were... ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 13 March, 2012 Share Posted 13 March, 2012 17th. Which league? I reckon if you say Championship 17th for the next 100 years, you might be right eventually. I reckon we'll be fighting relegation, but fortunately there are 5 worse clubs than us in the Premier League. Still, it will have been a good season, thanks to winning the Carling cup and beating Man Utd 6-3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 13 March, 2012 Share Posted 13 March, 2012 17th. You may be right for once. We could struggle, or we could do what a lot of clubs who are just promoted do in their first season up and do really well... before catching second season syndrome! Depends how much we invest... if the Cortese is serious about establishing us as a stable, top half premiership team and he finds money to achieve that accordingly... I don't see why in maybe 5 years time, that won't be the case! One years time though probably hovering around mid to lower table in the prem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 13 March, 2012 Share Posted 13 March, 2012 Above p#mpy! Yes, but how far above? I reckon at least 58 places above ... if the Cheats still exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golac's Iron Gonads Posted 13 March, 2012 Share Posted 13 March, 2012 Probably where Swansea are now, and a little bit bored with it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golac's Iron Gonads Posted 13 March, 2012 Share Posted 13 March, 2012 Oh and people will be complaning that Adkins is not the man to take us to the next level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Durman Posted 13 March, 2012 Share Posted 13 March, 2012 One game at a time please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 13 March, 2012 Share Posted 13 March, 2012 One game at a time please Sweet Jesus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sambosa75 Posted 13 March, 2012 Share Posted 13 March, 2012 Oh and people will be complaning that Adkins is not the man to take us to the next level. Most definitely this. People will use the excuses "no prem experience" and "cant handle big player egos" if we are anything other than in the top 6. The same way the "cortese lacks ambition" and the "liebherrs heart arent in it" if we fail to spend anything less than £20m in the summer. The above is on the basis we gain promotion. I'm taking nothing for granted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 13 March, 2012 Share Posted 13 March, 2012 Probably where Swansea are now' date=' and a little bit bored with it all.[/quote'] This momentum will probably get us a safe lower mid table postion next season (if we make the PL). After two seasons of playing in competitve leagues where we had a good chance of winning or gaining promotion we will soon realise that the "greatest league in the world" for us won't be that exciting when mid table safety is considerd an achievment (with the odd result against the big boys being the only thing to look forward to) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 13 March, 2012 Share Posted 13 March, 2012 This momentum will probably get us a safe lower mid table postion next season (if we make the PL). After two seasons of playing in competitve leagues where we had a good chance of winning or gaining promotion we will soon realise that the "greatest league in the world" for us won't be that exciting when mid table safety is considerd an achievment (with the odd result against the big boys being the only thing to look forward to) Also cup runs Although I expect us to be promoted if anything through the playoffs though I'm holding thumbs for Champions as it'd be nice to win something for a change (JPT notwithstanding of course though I loved every second of it at the time.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggy Posted 13 March, 2012 Share Posted 13 March, 2012 People wondering how much it will cost to expand the capacity of the stadium ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 13 March, 2012 Share Posted 13 March, 2012 Also cup runs Although I expect us to be promoted if anything through the playoffs though I'm holding thumbs for Champions as it'd be nice to win something for a change (JPT notwithstanding of course though I loved every second of it at the time.) The cups would be nice...though I reckon after three seasons of saying "promotion is more important the cups are a distraction we can't afford" next season it will be "survival is everything the cups are a distraction we can't afford":) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brmbrm Posted 13 March, 2012 Share Posted 13 March, 2012 This momentum will probably get us a safe lower mid table postion next season (if we make the PL). After two seasons of playing in competitve leagues where we had a good chance of winning or gaining promotion we will soon realise that the "greatest league in the world" for us won't be that exciting when mid table safety is considerd an achievment (with the odd result against the big boys being the only thing to look forward to) Correct. We would need to spend 1/4 to 1/2 a billion pounds to be competitive. For starters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 13 March, 2012 Share Posted 13 March, 2012 I don't know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 13 March, 2012 Share Posted 13 March, 2012 Fans desperately screamig for the board to spend some 'feckin money', getting quickly disillusioned with Adkins and Cortese for quietly going about their business in a financially prudent way, saying we invest too much in the academy on not on the first team, getting angry everytime Cortese does something that has a commercial return long term, but costs money now (that should also be spent on the first team), complaining that our sensible wage cap is ruining our chances of success and prem survival... basically same as last time we were there as fans patience with steady growth after two cracking seasons is at a zero level.... in effect very quickly forgetting how everyone was so critical of the cheats down the road and several other 'fecked' clubs who spent big without a long term view of the consequences when the money dries up..... ...sadly I think this is quite likely, symptomatic of the 'want it now' culture.... would be nice to think there have been some stark lessons learned over teh last few years, not least witnessing what is happening at Portsmouth and various other clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 13 March, 2012 Share Posted 13 March, 2012 I reckon people will still be saying that we can only judge Adkins in the 2nd season of the prem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabrone Posted 13 March, 2012 Share Posted 13 March, 2012 Somewhere in the bottom pack of clubs in the prem, biting our fingernails off about whether we can stay up. Just like old times.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danbert Posted 13 March, 2012 Share Posted 13 March, 2012 I was watching the fag end of the Arsenal game last night and thinking - we're really going to have to up our game if we're going to compete in that league. I think we'll go up and then it'll all depend on what happens over the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wurzel Posted 13 March, 2012 Share Posted 13 March, 2012 Similar to Fulham, no danger of going down, no danger of winning anything. Then build from there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfc1976 Posted 13 March, 2012 Share Posted 13 March, 2012 Getting a hiding twice a month and dreaming of being in the championship again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 13 March, 2012 Share Posted 13 March, 2012 If we're in the Prem this site will be in meltdown because we're losing more games than we're winning. Adkins out FFS!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 13 March, 2012 Share Posted 13 March, 2012 I was watching the fag end of the Arsenal game last night and thinking - we're really going to have to up our game if we're going to compete in that league. I think we'll go up and then it'll all depend on what happens over the summer. At least in league 1 (and a bit in the champ this year) we've found what it is like to be the big boys I imagine how we felt in league 1 is how Manu feel in the PL. Remember how you felt about teams like the Daggers, Yeovil and Brentford that's how all the teams in the PL will see us:( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 13 March, 2012 Share Posted 13 March, 2012 If we're in the Prem this site will be in meltdown because we're losing more games than we're winning. Adkins out FFS!! Makes you wonder why we're all so desperate to get back there really. I can understand the players (at least the ones who think they won't get replaced in the summer), I can understand the club wanting all that filthy money the PL brings in but for the fans we get .......higher ticket prices, less games, less wins (most likely) and probably very little chance of winning anything. Yet if we get prommotion as champions I'll be over the moon...so confusing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Under Weststand Posted 13 March, 2012 Share Posted 13 March, 2012 The forum will be in meltdown, having just narrowly lost to Man Utd at home with a 97-min goal from Giggs. We will have slipped to 17th in the table just 3-points above the relegation zone. Protests outside the stadium with calls for Adkins to be sacked as he's lost the dressing room. Cortese will be bemoaning the poor catering which has caused the unrest in the fan base. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paris Posted 13 March, 2012 Share Posted 13 March, 2012 12th in the prem.....with the usual suspects moaning about nothing.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted 13 March, 2012 Share Posted 13 March, 2012 2nd the the nPower Championship, 3 points behind Boro with a game (away at Brighton, on TV tonight) in hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 13 March, 2012 Share Posted 13 March, 2012 (edited) 12th in the prem.....with the usual suspects moaning about nothing.... they will be moaning about: No width,Passing sideways,Passing backwards,keeping the ball,Guly,Morgan and Sharp not getting a start. Oh and probably not spending the "AOC money" which as we know is long gone. Edited 13 March, 2012 by Window Cleaner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 13 March, 2012 Share Posted 13 March, 2012 Comfortable in top 6....but wondering why Messi has not scored for 2 games....... Still waiting for Arsene to make up his mind about our star goalscorer Morgan:rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggles31 Posted 13 March, 2012 Share Posted 13 March, 2012 Full stadium, less chance of losing best players, more chance of signing better players, more recognition on tv, more chance of international honours for our players, chance of beating the biggest teams, chance of actually progressing and achieving something longer term. No-one would really prefer this league. They just look at the wins, but in reality people like the winning because it's a chance of promotion. Take promotion away and excitement would disappear, as would attendances. We lost a lot in the top flight before, but it was worth it for the chance of those great results, keeping MLT, the memorable goals and just being a part of it all. No reason we can't stay up there a long time, build a better team and have some decent cup runs. I just hope we stick with NA as long as possible. After 2 promotions I'd hope he'd earned a couple more years regardless. But i have no doubts we'd do well anyway. We'll build and improve, but I have no little respect for the quality of that bottom 6 or 7 clubs I don't think we'd have had any problems this season with our current squad. A together club used to winning is a huge asset. Most the relegation clubs usually have in a common a season or more or turmoil. Agree with this. And with our current set up who knows what the future holds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 13 March, 2012 Share Posted 13 March, 2012 Full stadium, less chance of losing best players, more chance of signing better players, more recognition on tv, more chance of international honours for our players, chance of beating the biggest teams, chance of actually progressing and achieving something longer term. No-one would really prefer this league. They just look at the wins, but in reality people like the winning because it's a chance of promotion. Take promotion away and excitement would disappear, as would attendances. We lost a lot in the top flight before, but it was worth it for the chance of those great results, keeping MLT, the memorable goals and just being a part of it all. No reason we can't stay up there a long time, build a better team and have some decent cup runs. I just hope we stick with NA as long as possible. After 2 promotions I'd hope he'd earned a couple more years regardless. But i have no doubts we'd do well anyway. We'll build and improve, but I have no little respect for the quality of that bottom 6 or 7 clubs I don't think we'd have had any problems this season with our current squad. A together club used to winning is a huge asset. Most the relegation clubs usually have in a common a season or more or turmoil. That makes no sense going to the PL takes away our chance of promotion (unless you really think we're going to make the CL?) yet our crowds will get bigger but in the champ lack of promotion chances means a lack of crowd. The PL gives nothing to teams like us except a big pot of cash (which isn't a bad thing) but ends up benifitting the players and club officals more than it does the fans. As for the reast We will still lose our best players to bigger teams in the PL if they are any good Will we really sign better players? Were the players we had in the PL last time better than we have now (some yes but certainaly not all of them) Recognition on TV? You mean first on MOTD if we're playing a big boy or last on if we're not. All while having Lawerence and Hansen tip us for relegation. Or more chance to pay sky to watch saints....great More chance of international honours for our players...sadly the way I feel about international football and England in particular I have to say who cares chance of beating the biggest teams....yep once in a while in a cup upset kind of way...nice and I'll enjoy it but Swansea are still coasting at mid-table with little to actually look forward to despite beating Man city. chance of actually progressing and achieving something longer term....you really believe that? Honestly you see saints as what a constant top 6 side? top 8? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WealdSaint Posted 13 March, 2012 Share Posted 13 March, 2012 Having a Japenese section of our discussion board so that all Tadanari Lee's fans can discuss his hat trick at Old Trafford in their home language ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danbert Posted 13 March, 2012 Share Posted 13 March, 2012 At least in league 1 (and a bit in the champ this year) we've found what it is like to be the big boys I imagine how we felt in league 1 is how Manu feel in the PL. Remember how you felt about teams like the Daggers, Yeovil and Brentford that's how all the teams in the PL will see us:( Yep :-( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 13 March, 2012 Share Posted 13 March, 2012 That makes no sense going to the PL takes away our chance of promotion (unless you really think we're going to make the CL?) yet our crowds will get bigger but in the champ lack of promotion chances means a lack of crowd. The PL gives nothing to teams like us except a big pot of cash (which isn't a bad thing) but ends up benifitting the players and club officals more than it does the fans. As for the reast We will still lose our best players to bigger teams in the PL if they are any good Will we really sign better players? Were the players we had in the PL last time better than we have now (some yes but certainaly not all of them) Recognition on TV? You mean first on MOTD if we're playing a big boy or last on if we're not. All while having Lawerence and Hansen tip us for relegation. Or more chance to pay sky to watch saints....great More chance of international honours for our players...sadly the way I feel about international football and England in particular I have to say who cares chance of beating the biggest teams....yep once in a while in a cup upset kind of way...nice and I'll enjoy it but Swansea are still coasting at mid-table with little to actually look forward to despite beating Man city. chance of actually progressing and achieving something longer term....you really believe that? Honestly you see saints as what a constant top 6 side? top 8? All fair points. Actually, come to think of it, why is it so important to us ? Its' not like we will ever get above mid-table mediocrity with associated thumpings (received and, less frequently, given). Are SFC fans ready for all the fun to disappear out of their football, and all the money to disappear out of their pockets, again ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 13 March, 2012 Share Posted 13 March, 2012 All fair points. Actually, come to think of it, why is it so important to us ? Its' not like we will ever get above mid-table mediocrity with associated thumpings (received and, less frequently, given). Are SFC fans ready for all the fun to disappear out of their football, and all the money to disappear out of their pockets, again ? Im genuinely not that enthusiastic about going back to the EPL. In many ways I'd prefer it if we focussed on doing really well in the cups each year and having an occasional UEFA run. some kind of european cup for lower leagues (like the paint pot) would be perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offix Posted 13 March, 2012 Share Posted 13 March, 2012 So many unknown factors at this time that it is hard to make a decent prediction: We will be in the Prem, but will we keep our most important players? Will we buy prudently? Will we keep Adkins and is he capable enough for the Prem? What kind of money will we have available and will we be willing to spend? I would be elated if we could finish mid table, but happy with just surviving the first year. Relegation simply is not an option. (in that case I'd rather not go up this year) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 13 March, 2012 Share Posted 13 March, 2012 So many unknown factors at this time that it is hard to make a decent prediction: We will be in the Prem, but will we keep our most important players? Will we buy prudently? Will we keep Adkins and is he capable enough for the Prem? What kind of money will we have available and will we be willing to spend? I would be elated if we could finish mid table, but happy with just surviving the first year. Relegation simply is not an option. (in that case I'd rather not go up this year) Actually relegation might not be so bad If we don't overspend in the PL. If we spent wisely and yo yo'd back and forth between the PL and Championship building a team as we go it wouldn't be the end of the world. I'd rather that than going s hit or bust pompey style............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 13 March, 2012 Share Posted 13 March, 2012 looking at the present Prem. table.....(aside from those who were destined to go down from the end of Sept)....there seem to be a lot of also ran's between 8th and 16th who jump up and down the table every time they win/ lose a couple of games. I'd go for that, especially after spending the majority of those previous 27 seasons below halfway, but we still managed to play some good football at times. If Cortese has plans to import some "big names" (from whichever continent he will) ..I'd be happy to be pleasantly surprised at some opportune moment in the future... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 13 March, 2012 Share Posted 13 March, 2012 Im genuinely not that enthusiastic about going back to the EPL. In many ways I'd prefer it if we focussed on doing really well in the cups each year and having an occasional UEFA run. some kind of european cup for lower leagues (like the paint pot) would be perfect. Arh... but this is the catch 22 situation... We are all enjoying the competive nature of the NPC because we are top dogs and winning more often than not - because we have a good squad for this div and some talent. If we dont go up, we potentially lose Lallana, possibly Rickie and any bright young things that play 5 games and are corrupted by agents and the bright lights of the prem... so how would we fair next seaosn in the NPC without the momentum and without the creativity we get from Adam? Some are not too enamoured with the prem because we know it will take huge bucks and stupid wages to attracyt players capable of ensuring we are competitie enough to not just survive, but gain a mid table safety zone... by its vaery nature boring and predicatable. Football is about winning and about enetertaining and there is nothing great about being mediochre. However this is where we need to learn patience. For those young folk of the want it now generation, this is what us old farts had to learn as we had to save as kids before we could buy something or work two jobs etc... rather than get it now on credit and pay nowt til 2027... that way was the pompey way... or buy now , never pay would be more accurate, but it pleased the fans witha top 10 finish and an FA cup. If we are serious about them being a bunch of cheating c***s . we need to demonstrate this by shjowing patience - accept we will have our work cut out to survive year 1 in the prem whatever the spending level, get behind the lads as one when its obvious losing every second week is undermining confidence and possibly eroding the unity and spirit of teh last 3 years - fans play an important part in holding that together p- get on their backs and things unravel quite quickly. We need to see what the plan is - 3-4 years before we can realistically think about top 10 and a UEFA spot... and thats if we survive thoe searly seasons... at the very least we will go down with 48mil in parachute payments that will do very nicely when we are debt free... alot will depend on how the funding is structured, whether as loans or loans converted to equity as the value of the club increases etc - all fine, unless relegated and the liability of those loans exceeds the value of the assests.... This is why we need patience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Faz Posted 14 March, 2012 Share Posted 14 March, 2012 Whatever it is - it wont be dull for saints , we have had very few seasons where every point hasnt been vital ......relegation scraps were gut wrenching affairs, even when we were mid-table we were pushing for UEFA cup space, got to cup-final and enjoying punching above our weight, and then we had our descent down the leagues and the journney back again . Long may it continue to be exciting. I wouldnt swap what we have experienced over past 15 years , for being say an Aston villa fan - who havent as far as i can remember done anything of any interest at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctoroncall Posted 14 March, 2012 Share Posted 14 March, 2012 Some are not too enamoured with the prem because we know it will take huge bucks and stupid wages to attract players capable of ensuring we are competitie enough to not just survive' date=' but gain a mid table safety zone... [/quote'] I think the tide is turning on that one. WBA, Wolves, Norwich, Swansea are certainly not paying stupid wages and with the FFP rules coming in it will have an impact, small at the start but things are slowly moving away from the big spending (unless it's taken as equity but even then it will need to be qualified). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 14 March, 2012 Share Posted 14 March, 2012 Arh... but this is the catch 22 situation... We are all enjoying the competive nature of the NPC because we are top dogs and winning more often than not - because we have a good squad for this div and some talent. If we dont go up, we potentially lose Lallana, possibly Rickie and any bright young things that play 5 games and are corrupted by agents and the bright lights of the prem... so how would we fair next seaosn in the NPC without the momentum and without the creativity we get from Adam? Some are not too enamoured with the prem because we know it will take huge bucks and stupid wages to attracyt players capable of ensuring we are competitie enough to not just survive, but gain a mid table safety zone... by its vaery nature boring and predicatable. Football is about winning and about enetertaining and there is nothing great about being mediochre. However this is where we need to learn patience. For those young folk of the want it now generation, this is what us old farts had to learn as we had to save as kids before we could buy something or work two jobs etc... rather than get it now on credit and pay nowt til 2027... that way was the pompey way... or buy now , never pay would be more accurate, but it pleased the fans witha top 10 finish and an FA cup. If we are serious about them being a bunch of cheating c***s . we need to demonstrate this by shjowing patience - accept we will have our work cut out to survive year 1 in the prem whatever the spending level, get behind the lads as one when its obvious losing every second week is undermining confidence and possibly eroding the unity and spirit of teh last 3 years - fans play an important part in holding that together p- get on their backs and things unravel quite quickly. We need to see what the plan is - 3-4 years before we can realistically think about top 10 and a UEFA spot... and thats if we survive thoe searly seasons... at the very least we will go down with 48mil in parachute payments that will do very nicely when we are debt free... alot will depend on how the funding is structured, whether as loans or loans converted to equity as the value of the club increases etc - all fine, unless relegated and the liability of those loans exceeds the value of the assests.... This is why we need patience. I do like us being on top and playing expansive football definitely. I also know that no matter how smart Adkins is in the transfer market or how good the academy is we will never be able to compete with the financial muscle of Man City and Chelsea and Man U. Top 10 and playing for a UEFA cup place would be good. But if its a choice of dire to watch desperate backs to wall defending for most of the season and a bottom 10 finish with regular panic to avoid relegation, Im not sure thats an improvement over what we have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golac's Iron Gonads Posted 20 April, 2013 Share Posted 20 April, 2013 Probably where Swansea are now' date=' and a little bit bored with it all.[/quote'] Oh and people will be complaning that Adkins is not the man to take us to the next level. 13 months later, but still 'That's a Bingo!' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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