anothersaintinsouthsea Posted 12 March, 2012 Share Posted 12 March, 2012 Because he is seen as a Church leader like it or not, and it's against the teachings of the Bible. Gingletiss is right, the views of the minorities are being forced upon the majority with regards to gay, lesbian transgender as well as racial issues. OK I don't think I'm bigoted and don't have a problem there, but others do, and it's their right to have that problem and as someone who is supposed to be seen to be preaching God's will, then this Archbishop chappie is entitled to his say, however repugnant you find his views I know all that, of course it is right to have views but why should he be able to impose his views to the detriment of others? i.e: what right does he have for his views to mean that gays can't have a civil marriage? I don't quite get this idea that the minority are enforcing their views on the majority. If you don't like gay marriage don't have one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 12 March, 2012 Share Posted 12 March, 2012 Because he is seen as a Church leader like it or not, and it's against the teachings of the Bible. Gingletiss is right, the views of the minorities are being forced upon the majority with regards to gay, lesbian transgender as well as racial issues. OK I don't think I'm bigoted and don't have a problem there, but others do, and it's their right to have that problem and as someone who is supposed to be seen to be preaching God's will, then this Archbishop chappie is entitled to his say, however repugnant you find his views I expect he feels compelled to speak out, but is he speaking out because he's a Christian or is he speaking out to protect his grubby money making sect? I didn't see many high ranking Catholics speaking out over child abuse comitted by their perverted priests - instead they chose to cover it up and even allow it to continue. When it comes to morality and christianity the catholic church are the last people who should be listened to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericofarabia Posted 12 March, 2012 Share Posted 12 March, 2012 You just said it was genetic. If you take that line of thought then homosexuality is a genetic defect, as it certainly isn't normal. As this is my third post of the day, I'll just take this opportunity to wish you and your future husband a happy life together. You are not too far out Ess - Homosexuality is actually classified as a Medical Illness. I thank Tom Robinson and his song 'Sing if you're glad to be gay' for the exact reference ..... The International Classification of Diseases No 302.0 http://www.centralx.com/diseases/icd275.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stthrobber Posted 12 March, 2012 Share Posted 12 March, 2012 I know all that, of course it is right to have views but why should he be able to impose his views to the detriment of others? i.e: what right does he have for his views to mean that gays can't have a civil marriage? I don't quite get this idea that the minority are enforcing their views on the majority. If you don't like gay marriage don't have one. Because he feels that the views of others are being imposed upon him, and I agree with him up to a point. Gay people are entitled to everything that anyone else is entitled to, no argument there, but when religion comes into the equation, it does change things as Gay marriage goes against the teachings of not only the Bible, but Islam too, and probably other religions. It sort of makes the point that if we didn't have religion, then a lot of issues wouldn't ever arise, and the hypocracy of these guys is amazing, but there we are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 12 March, 2012 Share Posted 12 March, 2012 If we differentiate between "Secular Marriage" and "Church Marriage" for a moment… I don’t see any reason why gay people shouldn’t be allowed to get married (Secular Marriage). If that is what they want to do when why shouldn’t they be allowed to? My understanding is that the proposal is that they should be able to do so and I am in favour. As far as Church Marriage is concerned, I believe that gay people should also be able to get married in a religious ceremony; however, if it is a religious service then it really is ultimately down to the church to decide. If the church choose not to allow it then although I disagree with them it is their call. By not allowing gay marriage I expect the church achieve very little other than to highlight how out of touch it is with the modern world and continue its drift into irrelevance. Think you are right... its probably escaped anyone's notice how many who still have 'insecurities' and prejudices suddenly start defending churches when the whole Homosexual issue arrises... Personally... it is a religeous bodies right to make up its own rules, even if those rules demonstrate how archaic, ignorant and down right bonkers the whole religeous nonsense is in the first place. The only reason why the current main religeons still keep going, is because those that set them up have power to do so and have by luck or chance stumbled on dogma that its so far not been possible to disprove or prove - and guess what, you gaoota take it on faith! - If othere civilisations had survived in tact and grown, chances are we would still have Roman gods, or Greek or even Norse - yet we dont... funny that. Guess we cant worhip volcanoes anymore as we know what causes tehm these days, and it aint some supernatural wrath. But hey we are ALL atheists to some exent as a result - even if you believe in one god, there are so mamy others you dont believe in.... Gay christians wanting marriage in church? churches choice really. But it shows how ignorant their teachings really are - then again they dont do evolution to well either so not surprizing really. As someone pointed out, Homosexual behaviour is seen in other species - and yes there is a genetic component, and NO its not a defect. Its a a natural part of the genetic variation that exists within a genepool as a byproduct of the the evolution of our specific sexual characterists - I could give you the details, but principly we have evolved pair bonding emotions (as well as pleasure from sex) to ensure fathers stick around to help raise their young and thus reach maturity and pass on the genes again. In humans this evolutionary emotional development (love) coupled with sexual pleasure, means its superceeded the 'procreation only' genetic driver - If you that find homosexuality 'unnatural' were only allowed sex for procreation, then you might see things a little differently. All begins with the anisogamy concept (explains a lot). End result - Homosexulaity is as natural as hetero in human terms. Why the churces have a hang up about it? Again a good guess would be the same way they have a hang up about promiscuity, the 'corruption' of 'moral' values that they define - (and regulary ignore themeselves), as they do with any new scientific understanding that errodes their historic rhetoric. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintscottofthenortham Posted 12 March, 2012 Share Posted 12 March, 2012 Serious question. If homosexuality was the norm, and you were heterosexual, would you be able to subjugate your abnormal desires and force yourself to find men sexually attractive? Its not a matter of choice. I happen to like the female form, but that doesnt mean I think every bloke ought to whether he feels that way or not. And if they dont, it certainly doesnt make him sick in the head. Silly question. Homosexuality isn't the norm, and for good reason. It's not right IMHO and anyone who wants to question my views I shall label a g... g.... g................gggggg.....gggggggg...........GA.........GAAAAAAAAAAAAA........................ One of them. This is meant to be a football forum FFS. Shame on you all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonjoe Posted 12 March, 2012 Share Posted 12 March, 2012 I'm all fine with homosexual marriage, as long as it doesn't happen in my back yard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anothersaintinsouthsea Posted 12 March, 2012 Share Posted 12 March, 2012 Silly question. Homosexuality isn't the norm, and for good reason. It's not right IMHO and anyone who wants to question my views I shall label a g... g.... g................gggggg.....gggggggg...........GA.........GAAAAAAAAAAAAA........................ One of them. This is meant to be a football forum FFS. Shame on you all. saintscottofthenortham shoots to the top of the "potentially repressed gays desperately trying to prove they're straight" list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 12 March, 2012 Share Posted 12 March, 2012 I'm all fine with homosexual marriage, as long as it doesn't happen in my back yard. I don't think the OP is looking for venues to be fair. Outside weddings are always a gamble in the UK anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 12 March, 2012 Share Posted 12 March, 2012 There is a far more deep seated problem here. More hetrosexuals get married in registery offices than they do in church. maybe thats because its their 2nd or third marriage I dont know. The issue for me is that some politicians and pressure groups are trying to destablise religious beliefs and could fundamentally bring the church to its knees by forcing the powers of the church to rewrite the Bible re marriage. If the church is forced to under take non hetrosexual marriages in churches . where will it stop will the laws be changed to force marriages intemples and mosques or will the sentiments of the Koran remain intact. we do not want to upset our ilsamic friends do we? being hetrosexual myself I do not have any isues with gay marriage but when you start to hit the fundamentals of christianity you cannot rewrite the ten commnadments etc > i have a gripe against Church of Scotland. Also Will Young angerd me the other night on Question Times . saying the Cardinal O'brien in Scotland should be charge with Hate Crime. Just because someone believes in holy vows and has a different view to You Mr Young dosent mean he has to be charged with Hate crimes, Common sense is required in this debate not throwing threats out to people becuase they have different viewpoints Great post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 12 March, 2012 Share Posted 12 March, 2012 I'm all for gay people being able to get married in whatever institutions will agree to marry them. Court cases to force institutions like the Catholic Church to marry gay people would be wholly inadvisable, but that's not the point. It's about equality. It's about a bloke being able to introduce someone as his husband, and about a woman being able to say that someone is her wife - and that their commitment to each other is just as valid as a male and a female making the same promise. Interesting as this discussion is, I feel it's ultimately moot. Both my girls are at high school. They have friends, male and female, who have already come out. Their classmates are okay with that. Hopefully, we'll be the last load of dinosaurs to carry the homophobia gene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 12 March, 2012 Share Posted 12 March, 2012 Silly question. Homosexuality isn't the norm, and for good reason. It's not right IMHO and anyone who wants to question my views I shall label a g... g.... g................gggggg.....gggggggg...........GA.........GAAAAAAAAAAAAA........................ One of them. This is meant to be a football forum FFS. Shame on you all. No wonder random people are always giving you a "slap in the Northam" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 12 March, 2012 Share Posted 12 March, 2012 This whole country is wrong on so many levels, we are a laughing stock. It's about opinions, in my opinion, gay sex is abhorrent, it is being forced on us, in much the same way as being racially tolerant is..........accept it or be polarised, trouble is, it is a minority forcing it's beliefs on a majority. I used to stab Gingers, now the government won't let me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintscottofthenortham Posted 12 March, 2012 Share Posted 12 March, 2012 No wonder random people are always giving you a "slap in the Northam" Put yourself next in line if you want? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 12 March, 2012 Share Posted 12 March, 2012 Put yourself next in line if you want? You love a good hard "slap in the northam." (but I'll pass, thanks anyway) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W9Saint Posted 12 March, 2012 Share Posted 12 March, 2012 No wonder random people are always giving you a "slap in the Northam" As you may of noticed most people on here couldn't care less if someone is gay or not, what is the big deal? Oh and am sure they'll get very offended by you labelling them gay! Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 15 March, 2012 Share Posted 15 March, 2012 Amusing debate on Newsnight. I don't see what the big deal is tbh. However what is going to be most amusing is when test cases get brought to court and the sh/t really hits the fan with the catholic church. Like i've said they way they have behaved covering up anything that threatens their lucrative industry means I have absolutely no sympathy for them and will enjoy every minute of their protestations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog Posted 16 March, 2012 Share Posted 16 March, 2012 http://poststuff2.entensity.net/031412/image.php?pic=dafuq.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 16 March, 2012 Share Posted 16 March, 2012 ^thanks for that, I just had breakfast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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