Gay Marriage

[Saintandy666]

Gay Marriage.

 

Personally, I'm all for it, and when it's been in place for a good amount of time, I think we will all look back and think how stupid we were, just like for slavery.

 

Obviously, however, not all think this way, perhaps most notably the Catholic Church. Cardinal O'Brien caused quite a stir with some(imo) disgusting comments calling it 'grotesque' and a 'gross subversion of human rights' adding that it would 'shame the UK in the eyes of the world', before making a slavery analogy to back up his points. For me, he is out of date and just clinging on to hard to a piece of scripture far out of date when compared to our modern day morality.

 

The 'dangers', for me, are totally made up and I think it is about time people realise if gay marriage is legalised, the only thing that will happen is that gays will get married.

 

I'm all for it, what about you?

Edited 11 March, 2012 by Saintandy666

[Dig Dig]

Marry whoever you like Andy.

[Manuel]

Best of luck to you and your partner. I suspect those who oppose gay marriage are in the minority.

[Thedelldays]

is andy a hatter...?

[Saintandy666]

Best of luck to you and your partner. I suspect those who oppose gay marriage are in the minority.

 

I'm not gay.

 

I also think if Gay Marriage is legalised Straight Civil Partnerships should be legalised.

[Saintandy666]

is andy a hatter...?

 

You don't have to be gay to support gay marriage.

[Gingeletiss]

Best of luck to you and your partner. I suspect those who oppose gay marriage are in the minority.

 

I suspect you are wrong.

[Thedelldays]

You don't have to be gay to support gay marriage.

I knew gayer once.....he quit the RN

[saintscottofthenortham]

You don't have to be gay to support gay marriage.

 

Of course not...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Saintandy666]

I suspect you are wrong.

 

http://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/8xrr8zjqs7/YG-Archives-Pol-ST-results-09-110312.pdf

 

It's a bit of both... a plurality.

 

43% support gay marriage, 32% civil partnerships, but not gay marriage and 15% are opposed to both.

 

ICM had a poll too recently which showed 46% in favour of gay marriage 36% opposed.

 

So while about 45% of people do support gay marriage, and the overwhelming majority at least civil partnerships, it is sadly not most that support it. It's about evens, for and against.

[sotonjoe]

Congrats. Is there a wedding list yet as I'd like to blah a cheap option before they all get taken?

[The Cat]

Legalise gay marriage but at the same time make it illegal for them to get divorced.

[Turkish]

Are you marrying Super Mikey?!

[Saintandy666]

Legalise gay marriage but at the same time make it illegal for them to get divorced.

 

Why?

[Saintandy666]

Are you marrying Super Mikey?!

 

Ah, okay. I admit it, we're having a super duper wedding next month. It's going to be ordained by Baj, and all our great saintsweb buddies are gonna be invited. I can't wait. Will you be bridesmaid?

[Turkish]

Ah, okay. I admit it, we're having a super duper wedding next month. It's going to be ordained by Baj, and all our great saintsweb buddies are gonna be invited. I can't wait. Will you be bridesmaid?

 

It sounds good, Verbal can film it, BTF can be matron of honour and Baj can double at the reception entertainment performing Kasabian cover versions.

[The Cat]

Why?

 

Dunno, just a joke. Marriage is a busted institution now anyway. If gay people want to do the same then I have no problem with it. Marriage means the sum of feck all these days anyway.

[Saintandy666]

Dunno, just a joke. Marriage is a busted institution now anyway. If gay people want to do the same then I have no problem with it. Marriage means the sum of feck all these days anyway.

 

Marriage as a religious institution is bust for sure. And I think the church need to realise that they no longer have monopoly over it.

 

And I believe it is half of marriages that end in divorce these days? I don't know if it is bust, I think it is just more flexible and has evolved.

[saintscottofthenortham]

Marriage as a religious institution is bust for sure. And I think the church need to realise that they no longer have monopoly over it.

 

And I believe it is half of marriages that end in divorce these days? I don't know if it is bust, I think it is just more flexible and has evolved.

 

You can say that again!!! Guys can marry guys now! Sickooooooooooooooooooooooos!!!!!

[swannymere]

I knew gayer once.....he JOINED the RN

 

Fixed that for you.

[Thedelldays]

Fixed that for you.

who is that then

[View From The Top]

In the 21C who really gives a fu ck who marries who apart from the Catholic church, whom seem to be a bunch of men who wear dresses and fu ck young boys?

 

Others oppossed, IMHO, are closet fudge packers scared to be outed.

[Saintandy666]

You can say that again!!! Guys can marry guys now! Sickooooooooooooooooooooooos!!!!!

 

Considering evolution strives towards better more able to survive beings, your comment doesn't make sense.

 

Why is it sick for gays to get married?

[The Cat]

 

Others oppossed, IMHO, are closet fudge packers scared to be outed.

 

Like people who use phrases such as "a gayer".

[Stubby]

Marriage as a religious institution is bust for sure. And I think the church need to realise that they no longer have monopoly over it.

 

And I believe it is half of marriages that end in divorce these days? I don't know if it is bust, I think it is just more flexible and has evolved.

 

Marriage as a religious institution is fine - for religious people.

 

I think the church is perfectly well aware they have no monopoly over it. I think they know that lots of people marry in register offices and other places, without a religious element in the ceremony. I wonder why you imagine they're not.

 

On whether gay marriage is such a good idea, I just wonder why we're so sure that every preceding generation was wrong and we are uniquely right. Not all change is progress.

[Essruu]

I think it's completely wrong: both homosexual marriage and homosexuality itself. Having said that, there's nothing stopping heterosexual couples with other mental disorders marrying, so I guess we have to move with the times and treat all of those with mental illnesses the same.

[Saintandy666]

Marriage as a religious institution is fine - for religious people.

 

I think the church is perfectly well aware they have no monopoly over it. I think they know that lots of people marry in register offices and other places, without a religious element in the ceremony. I wonder why you imagine they're not.

 

On whether gay marriage is such a good idea, I just wonder why we're so sure that every preceding generation was wrong and we are uniquely right. Not all change is progress.

 

I don't think they realise they don't have a monopoly on it at all. Archbishop Sentamu said today that for gay marriage to be legalised, the churches legislative arm would need to approve it. Just who do they think they are?! Parliament is sovereign in this country.

 

And the tradition argument is poor. The same could be said for all number of views and practices... slavery, segregation etc etc What will happen if gays can get married then... what consequences will occur?! None. Except that gays will get married. The world will go on.

Edited 11 March, 2012 by Saintandy666

[Thedelldays]

I don't think they realise they don't have a monopoly on it at all. Archbishop Sentamu said today that for gay marriage to be legalised, the churches legislative arm would need to approve it. Just who do they think they are?! Parliament is sovereign in this country.

 

And the tradition argument is poor. The same could be said for all number of views and practices... slavery, segregation etc etc

seeing as we are not a religious country then the church will have no say.....eh..?

[Saintandy666]

I think it's completely wrong: both homosexual marriage and homosexuality itself. Having said that, there's nothing stopping heterosexual couples with other mental disorders marrying, so I guess we have to move with the times and treat all of those with mental illnesses the same.

 

How can you say that homosexuality is a mental illness?! That's disgusting and an affront to the millions of gay people around the world. Where is the evidence for what you say? The evidence points towards it being genetic and therefore natural and something which can not be helped. Your views are wrong.

[Saintandy666]

seeing as we are not a religious country then the church will have no say.....eh..?

 

It shouldn't. Parliament is sovereign. Oh, and if the Church of England don't like it, they should get out of the state. This law is nothing to do with religious marriages anyways, but civil marriages.

[Griffo]

Gay Marriage.

 

Personally, I'm all for it.

 

Okay, thanks.

[aintforever]

The Church is f*cked up. Full of seft-rightous ass-holes who turn a blind eye to blatant sexism and homophobia.

 

It's ironic that the catholics are the most anti gay given their history of abusing young boys.

[RonManager]

I'm with Alistair Crowley on this one.

[Essruu]

How can you say that homosexuality is a mental illness?! That's disgusting and an affront to the millions of gay people around the world. Where is the evidence for what you say? The evidence points towards it being genetic and therefore natural and something which can not be helped. Your views are wrong.

 

Ok, it's either a mental illness or a genetic defect. Granted, people might not be able to help the way they are: hence why maybe they should be able to marry just like mentally or physically disabled normal people.

[Saintandy666]

Ok, it's either a mental illness or a genetic defect. Granted, people might not be able to help the way they are: hence why maybe they should be able to marry just like mentally or physically disabled normal people.

 

Well, it's clearly not a genetic defect either. To call a certain gene a defect shows poor understanding of genetics. It's just one way people are made, and it is present in both nature and humanity.

[scotty]

I think it's completely wrong: both homosexual marriage and homosexuality itself. Having said that, there's nothing stopping heterosexual couples with other mental disorders marrying, so I guess we have to move with the times and treat all of those with mental illnesses the same.

 

Ok, it's either a mental illness or a genetic defect. Granted, people might not be able to help the way they are: hence why maybe they should be able to marry just like mentally or physically disabled normal people.

 

 

trolling par excellence.

[Wade Garrett]

Why would gay people want to marry in church, when the bible clearly says homosexuality is wrong?

[Essruu]

Well, it's clearly not a genetic defect either. To call a certain gene a defect shows poor understanding of genetics. It's just one way people are made, and it is present in both nature and humanity.

 

You just said it was genetic. If you take that line of thought then homosexuality is a genetic defect, as it certainly isn't normal.

 

As this is my third post of the day, I'll just take this opportunity to wish you and your future husband a happy life together.

[Saintandy666]

You just said it was genetic. If you take that line of thought then homosexuality is a genetic defect, as it certainly isn't normal.

 

As this is my third post of the day, I'll just take this opportunity to wish you and your future husband a happy life together.

 

Brilliant. Because that's what I said. Go back to your cave, Troll.

[ART]

I'm totally against two guys/two girls getting married in church. It's completely against religious teaching. However Civil partnerships or Pacs as we have in France are a necessity nowadays in modern society for people of the same sex who love one another. I've nothing against same sex partnerships but no way should they ever be allowed to marry in a church. I think for those who so wish the church should bless same sex couples wishing to live together in partnership.

[hypochondriac]

It occurs in most species, so it is normal.

 

Unless you want to start calling every non-majority genetic trait a defect, which would hit racist ground pretty quickly. I guess one gender probably has very slightly more numbers than the other too, so we'd get a little sexist too, and that's before we offend the gingers, short people, those with glasses and those compensating for tiny genitalia.

 

TBF it could be argued that many sorts of anomalies are defects. Being double jointed for example or having two eyes that are different colours.

[hypochondriac]

I'm totally against two guys/two girls getting married in church. It's completely against religious teaching. However Civil partnerships or Pacs as we have in France are a necessity nowadays in modern society for people of the same sex who love one another. I've nothing against same sex partnerships but no way should they ever be allowed to marry in a church. I think for those who so wish the church should bless same sex couples wishing to live together in partnership.

 

Do you have experience of these sort of activities?

[Thedelldays]

You're right, it does go against most religious teaching and probably doesn't have much place in a church. But that only highlights how little the church fits in with the modern world.

It's bad enough they're against it, it's far worse that they pretty much have to be due to the nature of their religion. I don't understand how gay people become religious myself. Like I said, cherry picking the bible or other religious text, but if I was gay I'd feel directly persecuted by the religion, so wouldn't be looking for loopholes to allow me to be a part of it.

 

does it....I would guess, across the world..Gay marriages would be in the far minority......yet they church is wrong...?

maybe we are wrong..? maybe no one is wrong..? maybe the church can do what they like...? maybe they should not..?

[Saintandy666]

TBF it could be argued that many sorts of anomalies are defects. Being double jointed for example or having two eyes that are different colours.

 

They aren't defects. It's just different genes. Some have higher frequencies than others in the gene pool. All evolved by the same process.

[Turkish]

How can you say that homosexuality is a mental illness?! That's disgusting and an affront to the millions of gay people around the world. Where is the evidence for what you say? The evidence points towards it being genetic and therefore natural and something which can not be helped. Your views are wrong.

 

The liberal elite, hey Andy? Everyones entitled to an opinion as long as it's the one they have.

[saintscottofthenortham]

Considering evolution strives towards better more able to survive beings, your comment doesn't make sense.

 

Why is it sick for gays to get married?

 

Because the whole concept is sick. A man on a man, Two willy's... tell me that isn't sick in the head material. I think we should do more for getting these people help, rather than encouraging them.

[W9Saint]

I think where the Catholic argument falls down is that they are against Gay Marriage as it against the basic principle that marriage is for the procreation of children. That being the

case then surely they should stop older couples getting married and couples that can't have children which of course is ridiculous. I am a gay guy who has had a civil partnership, my main question is will I get a free upgrade to marriage if this becomes legalised? :-)

[View From The Top]

I think where the Catholic argument falls down is that they are against Gay Marriage as it against the basic principle that marriage is for the procreation of children. That being the

case then surely they should stop older couples getting married and couples that can't have children which of course is ridiculous. I am a gay guy who has had a civil partnership, my main question is will I get a free upgrade to marriage if this becomes legalised? :-)

 

Incoming!!

[Saintandy666]

I think where the Catholic argument falls down is that they are against Gay Marriage as it against the basic principle that marriage is for the procreation of children. That being the

case then surely they should stop older couples getting married and couples that can't have children which of course is ridiculous. I am a gay guy who has had a civil partnership, my main question is will I get a free upgrade to marriage if this becomes legalised? :-)

 

It's ridiculous, just like their condoms 'killing life' arguments. What do they think happens to the vast majority of the millions of sperm every time you have sex?!

[Gemmel]

I think where the Catholic argument falls down is that they are against Gay Marriage as it against the basic principle that marriage is for the procreation of children. That being the

case then surely they should stop older couples getting married and couples that can't have children which of course is ridiculous. I am a gay guy who has had a civil partnership, my main question is will I get a free upgrade to marriage if this becomes legalised? :-)

 

But why would you want to get married, in a religious ceromony that is completely against what you belive in or are