dronskisaint Posted 11 March, 2012 Share Posted 11 March, 2012 Thats because it's in gulys contract that he has to play when fit. That is one of the reasons Pardeww left and fell out with Cortese due to Guly being a Cortese signing and this clause. Oh dear.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 11 March, 2012 Share Posted 11 March, 2012 Oh dear.... Please explain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dronskisaint Posted 11 March, 2012 Share Posted 11 March, 2012 Please explain. Please show me the clause? When fantasy starts driving agendas I feel face palms coming on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonian Posted 11 March, 2012 Share Posted 11 March, 2012 Thats because it's in gulys contract that he has to play when fit. That is one of the reasons Pardeww left and fell out with Cortese due to Guly being a Cortese signing and this clause. why did you make that up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 11 March, 2012 Share Posted 11 March, 2012 why did you make that up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 11 March, 2012 Share Posted 11 March, 2012 Please show me the clause? When fantasy starts driving agendas I feel face palms coming on why did you make that up? So you think it's just coincidence Pardew was sacked days after Guly arrived? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 11 March, 2012 Share Posted 11 March, 2012 So you think it's just coincidence Pardew was sacked days after Guly arrived? You're sounding more and more like your gammey eyed friend with each passing day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dronskisaint Posted 11 March, 2012 Share Posted 11 March, 2012 So you think it's just coincidence Pardew was sacked days after Guly arrived? I suspect lots of things happened in the days after Guly arrived and those before but I only ask you to prove that such a clause exists...then we can have a logical discussion as to it being a factor in Pardew's demise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smithy Posted 11 March, 2012 Share Posted 11 March, 2012 Guly looked lost on the right wing, first touch was shocking, but when he moved into the middle he was quite good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 11 March, 2012 Share Posted 11 March, 2012 I suspect lots of things happened in the days after Guly arrived and those before but I only ask you to prove that such a clause exists...then we can have a logical discussion as to it being a factor in Pardew's demise. What do you expect,a copy of the contract out on here? I know people will sneer but thats up to them. Guly plays when available regardless of how well he is playing, he was signed by Cortese and days after he was signed a manager was sacked with no clear reason as to why, even now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dronskisaint Posted 11 March, 2012 Share Posted 11 March, 2012 What do you expect,a copy of the contract out on here? I know people will sneer but thats up to them. Guly plays when available regardless of how well he is playing, he was signed by Cortese and days after he was signed a manager was sacked with no clear reason as to why, even now. Switch off your agendas and just read that back to yourself? I rate Pardew and believe we owe him a huge debt of gratitude for signing the players that he did and are still performing in a way that makes me believe that they were always intended to see us through L1, this and for some higher if it happens. Why would Cortese allow him to sign those yet apparently have no such clauses, why did this clause not apply in the only other Italian loan transfer with Waigo? It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever in the context of the players signed in that period and since...unless you have a shred of evidence to add an iota of credibility to your statement? I'm not sure we'll ever know the reason for the sacking...it seems to have been mooted that there was no love lost between them even while Markus was alive and maybe it was down to the fact that he needed his own man to work with...as I say I have no knowledge but at least that has some kind of credence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 11 March, 2012 Share Posted 11 March, 2012 Switch off your agendas and just read that back to yourself? I rate Pardew and believe we owe him a huge debt of gratitude for signing the players that he did and are still performing in a way that makes me believe that they were always intended to see us through L1, this and for some higher if it happens. Why would Cortese allow him to sign those yet apparently have no such clauses, why did this clause not apply in the only other Italian loan transfer with Waigo? It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever in the context of the players signed in that period and since...unless you have a shred of evidence to add an iota of credibility to your statement? I'm not sure we'll ever know the reason for the sacking...it seems to have been mooted that there was no love lost between the m even while Markus was alive and maybe it was down to the fact that he needed his own man to work with...as I say I have no knowledge but at least that has some kind of credence. They were all signed when Markus was alive and Pardew was primarily responsible for negotiating the deals. That changed when Markus died and Cortese and Les Reid were taking over negotiating transfers as they wanted to run the club top to bottom. Guly was signed after Markus died of course so Cortese would have been the one who did the deal, not Pardew as it had been in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dronskisaint Posted 11 March, 2012 Share Posted 11 March, 2012 They were all signed when Markus was alive and Pardew was primarily responsible for negotiating the deals. That changed when Markus died and Cortese and Les Reid were taking over negotiating transfers as they wanted to run the club top to bottom. Guly was signed after Markus died of course so Cortese would have been the one who did the deal, not Pardew as it had been in the past. I'm aware of the timeline...what is lacking is any link to any such clause or that there is one shred of evidence that it exists- as I said..the link to Pardew conversation can only really happen if that was proven to be true. This can go round in circles but until this is proven to exist (and, no, of course you can't put up the contract on here) it's not really a discussion until there's at least some way of showing why you are so sure it exists. I'm not trying to score points, just prefer that when an extremely contentious allegation is made that there is some foundation in fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom & Gerry Posted 11 March, 2012 Share Posted 11 March, 2012 Guly plays because he is versatile. You can play him wide in the middle forward or back. It means that if we have got the tactics wrong at the start we don't have to make a substitution after 20 minutes. He has a languid South American style that is not appreciated by some of our supporters. He is not lazy, if he holds his position after making a pass it is because the manager has told him to cover for breakaways, something I saw him do when Richardson bombed forward yesterday, otherwise he covered every blade of grass in the 3 or 4 positions he played. We do not generally have bad players, If they are playing badly it is usually because the tactics do not suit them or they are not getting the support of other players. Football is a team game - I know that is blindingly obvious but people do seem to forget it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonian Posted 11 March, 2012 Share Posted 11 March, 2012 So you think it's just coincidence Pardew was sacked days after Guly arrived? Turkish, before you embarrass yourself further, i can assure you that no player at Southampton Football Club has a clause that guarantees them a starting place Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 11 March, 2012 Share Posted 11 March, 2012 Turkish, before you embarrass yourself further, i can assure you that no player at Southampton Football Club has a clause that guarantees them a starting place Prove it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 11 March, 2012 Share Posted 11 March, 2012 Prove it. It's very difficult to prove a negative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 11 March, 2012 Share Posted 11 March, 2012 i have to agree with Turkish, it has to be that really, otherwise why on earth would you play him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadiz saint Posted 11 March, 2012 Share Posted 11 March, 2012 all i will add to this is that ive been watching saints since the mid sixty's and it is a saints fans nature to slag off at least one player in the side, no matter how we have done, ive known a lot of saints players personally over the years and most of them comment on it, at the moment its guly, most of our fans are so lacking in knowledge about football, they really dont appreciate the quallitys he brings to our side, im with nige, id play him every time he is available, a full lesson in the rules may help some fans, around me they constantly blame the ref, when 95% of the time the ref has made the right decisions, i really really hope the critism of guly is not for racial reasons, although i did hear a few racist comments at the ground yesterday, come on lads, support nige and what he is trying to achieve here, moaning at someone has never ever motivated them Best reply yet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 11 March, 2012 Share Posted 11 March, 2012 So you think it's just coincidence Pardew was sacked days after Guly arrived? Your best wind-up yet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 11 March, 2012 Share Posted 11 March, 2012 Prove it. It's very difficult to prove a negative. Not in this case it isn't. You just need to find a match where Guly was on the bench. Shouldn't be too ****ing hard. Anyway, Guly was very good in the second half but wasn't involved enough in the first. He did, however, have a far better game than say, Lambert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 11 March, 2012 Share Posted 11 March, 2012 What do you expect,a copy of the contract out on here? I know people will sneer but thats up to them. Guly plays when available regardless of how well he is playing, he was signed by Cortese and days after he was signed a manager was sacked with no clear reason as to why, even now. I thought that it was pretty well known now that he was sacked because Cortese found out that he had been talking to Newcastle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 12 March, 2012 Share Posted 12 March, 2012 Think of Guly as being the new Rasiak and I think he makes more sense. He's a good striker who can make the right moves at the right time. He can head, he can finish and he can bring others in to play. However a winger he is not. Playing wide does not suit his style at all. He can not take on a full back, beat him with pace or trickery and put a decent cross in. He tends to drift inside into more of a supporting striker possition, which then leaves Richardson exposed when the attack breaks down. Quite simply, he is a useful option to have as a striker but should not be played in midfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tedmaul Posted 12 March, 2012 Share Posted 12 March, 2012 For some people, football is the only place where they can pay and then feel justified to scream abuse at someone else for 90 minutes. You can't do it outside of a football stadium, luckily we have Guly a ready made hate figure for the moronic halfwits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 12 March, 2012 Share Posted 12 March, 2012 (edited) all i will add to this is that ive been watching saints since the mid sixty's and it is a saints fans nature to slag off at least one player in the side, no matter how we have done, ive known a lot of saints players personally over the years and most of them comment on it, at the moment its guly, most of our fans are so lacking in knowledge about football, they really dont appreciate the quallitys he brings to our side, im with nige, id play him every time he is available, a full lesson in the rules may help some fans, around me they constantly blame the ref, when 95% of the time the ref has made the right decisions, i really really hope the critism of guly is not for racial reasons, although i did hear a few racist comments at the ground yesterday, come on lads, support nige and what he is trying to achieve here, moaning at someone has never ever motivated them what a load of crap. You know people come out with this, "I've known a lot of saints player who have commented on it....", who then? Who has actually said that Saints fans are like this, because you are suggesting "you have known a lot", which would be a least 10 in my opinion, "and most of them", 8 would be most, have said Saints fans always have one player to slag off. So who has said this please, just to validate your post. Because i have known a few players over the time (mainly 90's) and i have never heard a player critisise our fans for this (or anything else tbf). And to say that you really hope that the critisism of Guly is not for racial reasons, why do you say that? Either you are provoking the it or just plain dumb. At no point does the Guly debate become racial until some idiot like Alpine Saints throws it (without good cause) into the mix. Just waiting on someone to bring up JP, and then all Sainmst fans might as well start burning crosses. Finally, every team has a scapegoat player, to suggest that Saints fans are different to other clubs is crazy. WHU seem to boo the whole team! There is always going to be one player that frustrates a lot of fans, and sure they might get some stick but they could always fo what Benali and Crouch did (to name two examples), get on with it and prove the fans wrong. Edited 12 March, 2012 by Noodles34 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 12 March, 2012 Share Posted 12 March, 2012 is it racist if we have a pop at a white player...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 12 March, 2012 Share Posted 12 March, 2012 is it racist if we have a pop at a white player...? of course not, its only if you happen to critisise a black player, well according to a lot on here. Though on other threads (i.e Pranking) you catergorise Asians in a particular way.... not a word mummured there (aside from mine). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Majestic Channon Posted 12 March, 2012 Share Posted 12 March, 2012 Amen. It's blatant racism.[/quote The amount of stick you used to give jermaine wright makes you a huge racist then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pierre Posted 12 March, 2012 Share Posted 12 March, 2012 Thats because it's in gulys contract that he has to play when fit. That is one of the reasons Pardeww left and fell out with Cortese due to Guly being a Cortese signing and this clause. The concept of such a clause existing is ridiculous. How exactly would this be enforced? "Guly do Prado takes Southampton FC to court for getting dropped". I love a good conspiracy theory but I just don't buy this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Saint Posted 12 March, 2012 Share Posted 12 March, 2012 It is covert racism for sure. Fuller had the same treatment, as have others. Frankly not so covert but move on. The people who criticise Guly are attention seekers. Dont give it to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorkiesaint Posted 12 March, 2012 Share Posted 12 March, 2012 People who would have liked to have scored as many as Guly this season: Carlton Cole Kenny Miller Nicky Maynard Craig Mackail-Smith Nicola Zigic Marvin Sordell Adam Le Fondre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 12 March, 2012 Share Posted 12 March, 2012 how many goals as he scored this year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aardvark Posted 12 March, 2012 Share Posted 12 March, 2012 Amen. It's blatant racism.[/quote The amount of stick you used to give jermaine wright makes you a huge racist then Sums his pathetic stance up perfectly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 12 March, 2012 Share Posted 12 March, 2012 For some people, football is the only place where they can pay and then feel justified to scream abuse at someone else for 90 minutes. You can't do it outside of a football stadium, luckily we have Guly a ready made hate figure for the moronic halfwits yes, you are right and thas what makes it so great. However, players that are jeered or receive a negative reaction from the crowd get it because of a reason, according to a few on here, its because he is black. That is just pathetic, the real reason is that most people dont rate him, or moreso dont think he puts in a proper shift, i.e gives a toss, and that is unforgivable to a fan who would play for free and give more. You have one set of fans unable to see any worthiness in playing him (i am in that group) and yet you have another accusing people of being racist! FFS, get real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 12 March, 2012 Share Posted 12 March, 2012 So all those saying saints fans are racist that don't rate Guly how do you explain the hero worship Antonio and Papa Waigo Got despite neither being very good? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint si Posted 12 March, 2012 Share Posted 12 March, 2012 Not in this case it isn't. You just need to find a match where Guly was on the bench. Shouldn't be too ****ing hard. Errrr Leeds? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 12 March, 2012 Share Posted 12 March, 2012 yes, you are right and thas what makes it so great. However, players that are jeered or receive a negative reaction from the crowd get it because of a reason, according to a few on here, its because he is black. That is just pathetic, the real reason is that most people dont rate him, or moreso dont think he puts in a proper shift, i.e gives a toss, and that is unforgivable to a fan who would play for free and give more. You have one set of fans unable to see any worthiness in playing him (i am in that group) and yet you have another accusing people of being racist! FFS, get real. There is also a 3rd group that I am in and base it on how well he plays - I can see his value in his selection and if you take his second half performance on Saturday why he has his uses to the team. Personally I think he is not the best option at the moment and my midfield would be Chaplow Cork Morgan and Lallana, on Saturday Guly didnt have many options as Richardson was well marked and having 2 defensive midfielders alongside him gave him very little outlet. I had several heated discussions on Saturday with a few around me who slagged him off yet when one of the others did they applauded and said bad luck. Yet never applauded him when he did something right. Its not a racist thing - its because he doesnt run around like a headless chicken ala Brett Ormerod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 12 March, 2012 Share Posted 12 March, 2012 Spot on Ron. Saints fans used to appreciate skill these days it seems most love headless chickens who run around a lot. See the hero worship of Antonio, Waigo, De Ridder. See the grief Lambert got last season a fat, lazy c*nt whose legs had gone apparently "chase it Lambert you lazy c*nt" was often heard from the mong behind me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonjoe Posted 12 March, 2012 Share Posted 12 March, 2012 So all those saying saints fans are racist that don't rate Guly how do you explain the hero worship Antonio and Papa Waigo Got despite neither being very good? They weren't actually black. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 12 March, 2012 Share Posted 12 March, 2012 I think we all agree. He was abysmal on the right but pretty nifty behind the striker With him on the pitch when lambert went off, we still had an aerial ball to play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 12 March, 2012 Share Posted 12 March, 2012 Spot on Ron. Saints fans used to appreciate skill these days it seems most love headless chickens who run around a lot. See the hero worship of Antonio, Waigo, De Ridder. See the grief Lambert got last season a fat, lazy c*nt whose legs had gone apparently "chase it Lambert you lazy c*nt" was often heard from the mong behind me. I loved Waigo...and would have him back in an instant - he was so unpredictable even he didn't know what he was doing and most of it was instinct! He was far more intelligant than people gave him credit for - remember MK Dons at home with him left midfield and he had a great game. Waigo wasn't black...he was green...very green when it came to offsides Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 12 March, 2012 Share Posted 12 March, 2012 I loved Wiagos enthusiasm I just didn't think he was that great at all just an average L1 striker he certainly wouldn't get in the team now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 12 March, 2012 Share Posted 12 March, 2012 I think we all agree. He was abysmal on the right but pretty nifty behind the striker With him on the pitch when lambert went off, we still had an aerial ball to play Which I believe is the position he played in Italy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 12 March, 2012 Share Posted 12 March, 2012 I loved Wiagos enthusiasm I just didn't think he was that great at all just an average L1 striker he certainly wouldn't get in the team now. I just did not think he was that good. I did laugh how woefully offside he would go and people would say it was because his football brain was so far ahead of the others lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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