Leave off guly

[mulletsaint]

I was at the game today so for once I can have a (reasonably) formed opinion. Those who have said he was crap must have only watched the first half, those who thought he played well, only the second.

 

Yeah the whole team performance was below par first half but Guly did stand out as being particularly so. His first touch was abysmal about 75% of the time, the other 25% his pass went astray. To be honest I wanted him off at halftime. Second half different kettle of fish. Looked alot more comfortable in the middle with license to roam. He retained possession well, committed defenders and worked hard out of possession.

 

On the occasions I've seen Guly play I've generally been impressed more often than not and that'll do me.

[James]

Much much better in the second half. In the first half he was dreadful...much too casual and his passes just didn't find the target at all. Was pleasantly surprised with is performance in the second though so good on him for that.

[lethallee]

The abuse Guly received today was totally unjust. The 2 idiots behind me in Block 29 Row EE were slating Guly everytime he had the ball and even when he was layed out on deck after being whacked in face they were telling him to get up. When Lallana and Lambert made mistakes, which happended regularly in first half, it was oh Adam or oh Rickie. These so called supporters were a total disgrace and bloody annoying to sit near.

 

In my opinion Guly was ok first half whilst many others were poor. He had good second half seeing lots of the ball.

[View From The Top]

Pi33 poor 1st half and I'm usually a defender of his but he was much better 2nd half.

[L1Minus10]

In the first half when he was getting all the stick he was actually being quite disciplined. We had Morgan in defensive midfield role and Lallana, Hammond and Guly left to right in front of him. Whenever Hammond went forward, Guly sat in and likewise when Richardson went forward. He was always looking round for a hole to fill in a defensive role which he has obviously been instructed to do. OK, he falls on his arse or gives the ball away and people have a go but as far as his positioning was concerned, he was doing what he was told to do.

 

The catalyst for him playing better and the midfield functioning better was when Cork came on and Guly went up front.

 

The stick he gets is ****ing ridiculous considering his record this and last season. If he'd missed the sitters that Lallana missed against Ipswich it would have been mental.

[wild-saint]

You will find a fair few will also find themselves in that position I am afraid.

 

interestingly a good friend had a one on one tour round st marys with a director ( earlier in the season)and when they discussed promotion he quoted "we know if this team goes up it will need major surgery"

[Saint-Armstrong]

Guly was not good today.

 

I was in Block 43 for the first time. There was some fat pr!ck slagging him off all game, blaming him all the time.

 

Everyone around us was rolling their eyes and telling him to shut up, so eventually everyone was copying him by squealing like a girl and blaming Guly for things such as Jos slicing the ball just to get at him. He stood there looking miserable as people began to sing "If you all like Guly, clap your hands!" and other such songs.

 

We do have some mongs as fans, this man being a prime example.

 

He wears red and white, he's one of us. Frustrating yes, but he is one of ours.

[sammysaint]

1st half i thought he was awful and to be honest played worse then some of the lads ive played in the hampshire res league this season, but 2nd half he looked like a decent championship striker/RM, however at RM Pucnheon SDR and Guly are all players that on there day are top class championship wingers, but they are too hot and cold but for me Steve, if had the game time Guly has he would be more hot then cold.

 

Upfront for me Sharp Lambert and Lee are the 3 that should be rotated and if a injury occurs then allow him his place upfront.

 

GULY IMO is a 4th choice striker and joint 2nd choice RM.

[alpine_saint]

No u are a typical uncultured english fan who thinks its all about work rate rather than anything else. He's a clever player. The games moved on and u have to understand different players. Why would Nigel pick him so much? We aren't doing bad considering we are playing with ten are we??

 

An excellent point.

 

I bet a lot of those slating Goolie are the very same people who whinged about Venables and Hoddle not picking MLT for Engerland...

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

It is covert racism for sure. Fuller had the same treatment, as have others.

 

 

I've said this for a long time but I only ever get criticised for it...

[Gemmel]

An excellent point.

 

I bet a lot of those slating Goolie are the very same people who whinged about Venables and Hoddle not picking MLT for Engerland...

 

I assume you are taking the pish

[Plumstead_Saint]

Yeah so we are top of the league, have been for most of the season, always top 2, but apparently some of our players - picked regularly by the manager - are gash?

Show me a saints player [or any other] who never misplaces a pass?

How many midfielders

Get over yourselves and try supporting the team.

Or just carry on whining and *****ing like sour old women...it's your choice.

[revolution saint]

I've said this for a long time but I only ever get criticised for it...

 

That's because you are talking rubbish. It's perfectly acceptable to slate a black player without it being racist. I'd prefer Puncheon or Chaplow.

 

Yeah so we are top of the league, have been for most of the season, always top 2, but apparently some of our players - picked regularly by the manager - are gash?

Show me a saints player [or any other] who never misplaces a pass?

How many midfielders

Get over yourselves and try supporting the team.

Or just carry on whining and *****ing like sour old women...it's your choice.

 

It is absolutely the individuals choice to decide their opinion, if you don't like it well that's a shame but don't critisize it.

[St_Tel49]

Sat with an ex saint today who was a scout for a championship team a couple of years ago. He thinks guly is very poor as he isn't confident enough to hold his position. IMO he was better in the second half but still not great and not good enough for a starting place.

I'm glad he is not scouting for us! In common with most of our players he was poor for the first 40 minutes or so but IMHO our taking over control of midfield coincided with him being moved to the centre. He is not best served by being played wide right - he is definitely better in a freer more central role.

[St_Tel49]

Where can I find the threads about Fonte, Richardson, Hammond and Lambert who were equally bad in the first half?

This

[Lighthouse]

Can all the idiots banging on about 'subconscious racism' kindly p*ss off. It's nonesense.

 

Dan Harding

Dean Hammond

Neil McCann

Paul Telfer

Rory Delap

Peter Crouch

David Prutton

Matt Oakley

Andreas Jakobsson

Kamil Kosowski

Tomasz Hajto

Marek Saganowski

Paul Wotton

 

Are just a handful of the white players who have taken a disproportionate amount of stick in recent times. Don't forget players like Waigo, Antonio and Jaidi who seemed to enjoy something of a cult status whilst they were here. It's bullsh*t. I know some people like alpine only serve to antagonise, but the rest of us should know better.

[Berkshire Saint]

Personally thought he was pretty good today. I always make an effort of watching him pretty closely given the amount of **** he gets and I certainly don't buy the 'lazy' accusations often aimed at him.. It really is as if some of our fans are just waiting for him to/enjoy watching him miss-place a pass.

[BlakeySFC]

Guly's major flaw is that he's extremely inconsistent.

 

One game he can score a hatrick, the next he'll look inept and give away possession far too easily.

 

Saints fans in general always seem to need to pick on a player in general. Now Puncheon is back in our good books with his recent apology/making up with Nicola we've forgotten about him and moved onto Guly.

 

He's just such a frustrating player sometimes, that I can't blame people that give him some stick.

 

It's the mindless idiots that as soon as he gives away possession for the first time in a match they'll go into a rage about how s**t he is, why is Adkins playing him etc. when Lallana/Lambert/Cork/Hammond etc. will give the ball away in posession and nothing will be said, maybe just a simple groan.

 

Honestly do think there is an undercurrent of racism about the abuse Guly gets from some sections of the crowd, subconciously or consciously.

[jimbojones10]

i think its well known that we have alot of fans that know **** all about football

[Cestrian Saint]

I don't like seeing him in the starting 11 as it means that a better player is sat on the bench. We've looked so much better when he's not played. Our strongest midfield has to be Chaplow, Morgan, Cork, Lallana.

[slickmick]

How many have Schneiderlein, Cork, & Hammond scored?

 

Win together, lose apart.

 

This.

Hammond needs a sat nav to show him which way were playing and Morgan gets a nose bleed if he gets within 20 yards of the goal.

Cork to be fair does run at goal and drag opposing players out of position to create gaps.

[paulsfc]

This has probably been said on here somewhere else but....I assume everyone agrees that Adkins knows more about football than us, yes? He picks Guly to start every single game he is available. That should be enough for anyone. He occassionaly looks a bit lazy but he isn't, his defensive work is far superior to Lallana's, he tracks back and gets in crucial blocks and tackles and can be a real goal threat at times. What more do people want? Is Chaplow better? No. Is Puncheon better? No. Is De Ridder better No? Why not? Because Nigel picks Guly ahead of them, and we are top of the league. It is as simple as that

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

This has probably been said on here somewhere else but....I assume everyone agrees that Adkins knows more about football than us, yes? He picks Guly to start every single game he is available. That should be enough for anyone. He occassionaly looks a bit lazy but he isn't, his defensive work is far superior to Lallana's, he tracks back and gets in crucial blocks and tackles and can be a real goal threat at times. What more do people want? Is Chaplow better? No. Is Puncheon better? No. Is De Ridder better No? Why not? Because Nigel picks Guly ahead of them, and we are top of the league. It is as simple as that

 

You're saying then that our manager is the first infallible human being to walk this Earth for 2000 years, and that as a consequence all forms of debate are therefore redundant ?

 

Are you NickG in disguise by any chance

[Saint Troy]

The lallana comparison is interesting, a player who hot nothing but support through his leaner patch. However if you don't rate gully I suppose it doesn't look like a lean patch. I sat at a reading home game recently where kebe was treated exactly the same. It seems fans have expectations for some players that are not the sane as others. I think cork has been off the boil s bit but he's not treated the same way due to some perceived effort and sideways passing. Guly dies represent options to Adkins and a few moments of class and thus provides the mix he's looking for which has us tip of the league. Agree or disagree I couldn't give a monkeys but I do know that there is only one way to bring the best out of this player and it's to support him during the game

[paulsfc]

You're saying then that our manager is the first infallible human being to walk this Earth for 2000 years, and that as a consequence all forms of debate are therefore redundant ?

 

Are you NickG in disguise by any chance

 

No, i'm saying we are top of the league because of Adkins, he picks a team for each game, and (fitness permitting) Guly is in that team. The Guly is crap argument is redundant because nothing in terms of facts backs it up. It is based on a perception of laziness that doesn't actually exist.

[Thedelldays]

No, i'm saying we are top of the league because of Adkins, he picks a team for each game, and (fitness permitting) Guly is in that team. The Guly is crap argument is redundant because nothing in terms of facts backs it up. It is based on a perception of laziness that doesn't actually exist.

he is crap and when we go up, he will quickly find himself sat on the bench/out of the squad more and more

 

he is far too inconsistent in the actual game to be much use in the prem

[paulsfc]

he is crap and when we go up, he will quickly find himself sat on the bench/out of the squad more and more

 

he is far too inconsistent in the actual game to be much use in the prem

 

I don't doubt that we will be in the market for more players if we go up and I would have reservations that Guly could cut it. But, then i'd have reservations about most of our players as they are untested at that level. However you simply cannot say he is crap, in terms of easily measurable indicators of ability (goals and assists) he is at least equal to Lallana and better than the rest of our midfield and second only to Lambert in attack. I.e. not crap at all. Frustrating at times? Maybe so, but most definitely not crap.

[Thedelldays]

I don't doubt that we will be in the market for more players if we go up and I would have reservations that Guly could cut it. But, then i'd have reservations about most of our players as they are untested at that level. However you simply cannot say he is crap, in terms of easily measurable indicators of ability (goals and assists) he is at least equal to Lallana and better than the rest of our midfield and second only to Lambert in attack. I.e. not crap at all. Frustrating at times? Maybe so, but most definitely not crap.

I'm sorry, guly is NOT equal to lallana

[paulsfc]

I'm sorry, guly is NOT equal to lallana

 

I'm talking goals and assists not skill or technical proficiency. Lallana is a better player, easily the most technically gifted in the league and the one player I would bet my house on making it in the prem. However Guly has matched him in terms of goals and assists and, in my opinion, is better defensively. Who would you pick ahead of Guly and why?

[Chez]

First half, he was poor. He doesn't really fit as a winger because he won't try and take on defenders, but would rather play a pass inside to the strikers or to the full back on the overlap. His movement wasn't very good either and didn't close down the opposition as well as he normally does.

 

When we moved to the diamond he played a lot better. In the second half I thought he was one of our best players. He was almost always in space and available to pass to. At least half the times he received the ball he played an instant, first touch pass, most of which seemed to reach their intended recipient. Playing upfront, or just behind the strikers, he looks to be a very effective player.

 

His game is all about retaining possession and playing neat, one-touch passing. If you don't rate these attributes then, you'll never like him. I know people want to see players burst past the full backs or beat them with a trick, but Guly won't do this, maybe this is why he gets stick.

very good description.

[surrey1saint]

Three are a few around the area I am in the Northam who constantly moan,regardless of whether we are winning or not,especially about Guly.

One fella who is nearby, even was moaning at 87 minutes about us playing to keep possession,thought we should have been pressing for another goal FFS!

[slickmick]

I'm talking goals and assists not skill or technical proficiency. Lallana is a better player, easily the most technically gifted in the league and the one player I would bet my house on making it in the prem. However Guly has matched him in terms of goals and assists and, in my opinion, is better defensively. Who would you pick ahead of Guly and why?

 

Chaplow. He drives us forward and exploits the space better.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

No, i'm saying we are top of the league because of Adkins, he picks a team for each game, and (fitness permitting) Guly is in that team. The Guly is crap argument is redundant because nothing in terms of facts backs it up. It is based on a perception of laziness that doesn't actually exist.

 

Show me where I've ever said Guly is lazy ?

 

What you describe as the 'Guly is crap' argument is based on the observation that he very often gives the impression of not being all that good at this football malarkey. If the only opinion permissible on this forum now is some variation on the 'Mother always knows best' point of view then, I'm not sure this place is worth my £5 a year frankly.

 

Of course the manager knows the game, and his players, better than we mere fans can ever do, but does than mean he's always right or that fans should not feel free to express their own views on players ?

 

I don't happen to think this players recent contributions are even nearly good enough to earn him a place in the starting line-up, perhaps I'm harder to please than some. Now my subjective opinion is no more a 'fact' than your completely opposite view is, but that is how I see it and until this player recaptures his early season form I shall continue to express it.

 

That is all.

[Turkish]

This has probably been said on here somewhere else but....I assume everyone agrees that Adkins knows more about football than us, yes? He picks Guly to start every single game he is available. That should be enough for anyone. He occassionaly looks a bit lazy but he isn't, his defensive work is far superior to Lallana's, he tracks back and gets in crucial blocks and tackles and can be a real goal threat at times. What more do people want? Is Chaplow better? No. Is Puncheon better? No. Is De Ridder better No? Why not? Because Nigel picks Guly ahead of them, and we are top of the league. It is as simple as that

 

Thats because it's in gulys contract that he has to play when fit. That is one of the reasons Pardeww left and fell out with Cortese due to Guly being a Cortese signing and this clause.

Edited 11 March, 2012 by Turkish

[saintscottofthenortham]

non·cha·lant

[non-shuh-lahnt, non-shuh-lahnt, -luhnt]

adjective coolly unconcerned, indifferent, or unexcited; casual: His nonchalant manner infuriated me.

[Turkish]

I'm sorry, guly is NOT equal to lallana

 

Now now Jamie, the stats PROVE otherwise. The stats say he has a lot of assists and the stats mean everything to some on here,you are forgetting it is the yardstick for a decent player on football manager.

[JustMike]

This has probably been said on here somewhere else but....I assume everyone agrees that Adkins knows more about football than us, yes? He picks Guly to start every single game he is available. That should be enough for anyone. He occassionaly looks a bit lazy but he isn't, his defensive work is far superior to Lallana's, he tracks back and gets in crucial blocks and tackles and can be a real goal threat at times. What more do people want? Is Chaplow better? No. Is Puncheon better? No. Is De Ridder better No? Why not? Because Nigel picks Guly ahead of them, and we are top of the league. It is as simple as that

 

have you been on the sauce?? He IS lazy and looks uninterested when in midfield, when he goes up top he becomes a different bloke.

[saintscottofthenortham]

have you been on the sauce?? He IS lazy and looks uninterested when in midfield, when he goes up top he becomes a different bloke.

 

This.

[channonball]

We witnessed some interesting tracking back from guly on Tuesday. He left such a gap a top team would have ripped us a new one. For those who say he's better defensively then lallana, simply incorrect! In my view he is our 4th best striker and 4th best right mid. Tuesday night guly missed a header from 6 yards and after a brilliant one two with lambert lacked any form of composure and leashed a great opportunity wide.

 

On a separate note, if i was de ridder I would be absolutely gutted. Play brilliant against Ipswich replacing a crap guly and the next match, guly gets in ahead of him again. As for yesterday if Adkins strategy was to allow guly to meander wherever he wanted in some sort of free role, passing and standing and generally clogging up the attacking areas we got, he could have given that role to de riDder who poses some genuine attacking threat.

 

 

 

Maybe my attitude towards him has changed since the pompey game. Hopefully he can win me back round with some goals soon.

[Eddie Lizzard]

The bloke is lazy, useless and not good enough for this level.

 

I just cant get over his lack lustered and uninterested performance against the skates in December which cost us the win.

 

I think this is a classic! People like to think Guly is lazy, but he's all over the pitch.

 

As usual the fans have to have a player to pick on. Usual bullying in a herd mentality. We're top of the league, playing great but still people like to moan. It's pathetic and sad (not pointing a finger at Dan, but the short sighted approach in general).

[ALWAYS_SFC]

Utterly embarressing how some clueless muppets have a go at a Saints player...

 

Particularly as there assesment of him is inaccurate on most occasions....

 

Sad people

[krissyboy31]

I thought when he moved to the tip of the diamond and then as second striker he was okay. When he was wide right he was absolutely pants and one of the main reasons we started so poorly. IMO there is no way in a 442 should he start ahead of Cork or naturally wide players like De Ridder in that position.

[Saint_John]

I have a clueless clown who sits a few rows behind me in the Chapel who has a go a Guly from the 1st min of every match.

Such comments within the first 30 seconds are "he useless ... he should be playing parks league football, not good enough for us etc ", and this is usually before he has even touched the ball.

Most people around me just LAUGH AT HIM.

 

He came up with some classics yesterday. "he useless, he has come inside too much, he should stay on the wing to give us width....", "what he doing in the middle, he should be on the wing"...., "fxxxing useless he should be taking the fullback on not coming inside .."

 

As there are a few like our "Chapel Clown" on here, perhap I should repeat what I said earlier.

Nigel changed our system after about 25/30 mins yesterday from a "flat 4 in midfield with 2 wide players" to combat the opposition's 4-5-1 system (their 3 in central midfield were outnumbering our 2). He went to a 4-1-3-2 system where Morgan was anchor and Guly, Adam and Dean playing narrow but interchanging positions. Guly played well in this system and it caused barnsley a lot of problems, they had no answer to our change of system. But of course this didn't stop our Chapel Clown, he was still moaning about Guly not being on the wing taking on the fullback, every time a sub was warming up he said "it must be Guly going off", and "Steve played well the other night, he should be coming on to play down the right because Guly has gone missing from there". etc.

 

I didn't hear this myself but he has supposely said to somebody around us (when Guly had a major part in the wins against millwall or boro ?) that the reason he dislikes Guly so much was that "If we hadn't signed him we would still have Alan P as manager and look they are 3rd in the PL now. That where we WOULD BE if we hadn't signed Guly". !?!?

As I said most people just LAUGH at the Chapel Clown.

[Saint Malc]

I can only speak the truth as I see it, and the honest truth is my heart sank when I saw he was back in the starting line-up today, and 90 minutes later I hadn't see much to make me think I had been overly pessimistic. Now I'm well aware that there are plenty on here who really rate him but phrases like "he put a shift in" are code for "he tried hard but didn't achieve very much" aren't they ?

 

Exactly, my heart sank too as it did on Tuesday where I knew we would struggle with 10.5 men. He's not carp but there are better options on the bench like Cork and Sharp (who showed a lot more quality for the first time after he came on yesterday). I think Guly does put in a shift but IMO he's just not good enough. All managers seem to have players we all love to hate but still keep playing them like Strachan/Telfer and Burley/Jermaine Wright.

 

IMO Guly is an excellent option to have on the bench.

[Noodles34]

You weren't sitting behind me were you? (block 14, row S).

 

Annoying bloke that spent the WHOLE game (I kid you not) moaning and groaning about Guly.

 

He had an 'ok' game IMO but the next bloke who sits near me moaning about him the duration of the game is going to get a punch in the face. Literally.

 

No I wasnt, and for the record i dont stand and shout at him, though i do express my frustration, opinions with those around me becasue we all do that with anyone.

Anyone who thinks he should be in the team ahead of Chaplow is having a laugh.

To compare him to MLt is a joke, Matt scored 25 goals a year ffs, most of them 'goal of the year', if Guly was putting away that kind of score rate then fair enough, be he isnt, fact!

And to say it racist, well thats is just ****ing moronic!

[Noodles34]

Pity you lot know nothing about football then.

 

if you are going to make an effort and reply, make it it worthwhile. You know **** all about me and my knowledge of football, for all you know i could be an ex player!

[SnailOB]

I have a clueless clown who sits a few rows behind me in the Chapel who has a go a Guly from the 1st min of every match.

Such comments within the first 30 seconds are "he useless ... he should be playing parks league football, not good enough for us etc ", and this is usually before he has even touched the ball.

Most people around me just LAUGH AT HIM.

 

He came up with some classics yesterday. "he useless, he has come inside too much, he should stay on the wing to give us width....", "what he doing in the middle, he should be on the wing"...., "fxxxing useless he should be taking the fullback on not coming inside .."

 

As there are a few like our "Chapel Clown" on here, perhap I should repeat what I said earlier.

Nigel changed our system after about 25/30 mins yesterday from a "flat 4 in midfield with 2 wide players" to combat the opposition's 4-5-1 system (their 3 in central midfield were outnumbering our 2). He went to a 4-1-3-2 system where Morgan was anchor and Guly, Adam and Dean playing narrow but interchanging positions. Guly played well in this system and it caused barnsley a lot of problems, they had no answer to our change of system. But of course this didn't stop our Chapel Clown, he was still moaning about Guly not being on the wing taking on the fullback, every time a sub was warming up he said "it must be Guly going off", and "Steve played well the other night, he should be coming on to play down the right because Guly has gone missing from there". etc.

 

I didn't hear this myself but he has supposely said to somebody around us (when Guly had a major part in the wins against millwall or boro ?) that the reason he dislikes Guly so much was that "If we hadn't signed him we would still have Alan P as manager and look they are 3rd in the PL now. That where we WOULD BE if we hadn't signed Guly". !?!?

As I said most people just LAUGH at the Chapel Clown.

 

I think a problem with yesterdays game was with the formation changes. At times i struggled to work out exactly where Guly and Lallana were supposed to play. I sit in Chapel and i was bemoaning lack of width at times as, at times , we really needed some overlapping players to work with the full backs as everything was getting too congested in the middle. Seeing Guly sitting in the middle and floating side to side in these areas was confusing because we don't usually see him playing there. But if thats what the manager wanted then you have to credit the guy for following orders. (I think i might of made 'some' of those above observations at times - certainly not the 'parks football onr or last supposed one though - I hope i'm not your Chapel Clown )

 

That said, when you did see him move more up front / in the hole (which i think is his best position) - he looked a totally different player. Plenty of touches, good link up etc..

 

I'm not criticising Nigel Adkins but I would say a lot of the stick Guly got from the fans yesterday was probably due to a lack of fans understanding of what Adkins wanted from him.

[Whitey Grandad]

It's never fair to criticise a player when we don't know what instructions he has received from the manager.

[shurlock]

have you been on the sauce?? He IS lazy and looks uninterested when in midfield, when he goes up top he becomes a different bloke.

 

Depends what you mean up top. If it means leading the line and playing the furthest forward -as he does when he partners Lambert- he's not fantastic. He doesn't move or stretch teams enough - and he's better in midfield. If you mean playing as the second striker, then yes, he's much better. But apart from the cup competitions where hes played behind very poor Forte, he's rarely been given a chance to shine in that role. And you're having a laugh if you think he's lazy -he puts in a better defensive shift than the untouchable Lallana who doesnt make it easy for Fox - one reason why, quite sensibly, he doesn't bomb on as people berate him to.

[sotonian]

all i will add to this is that ive been watching saints since the mid sixty's and it is a saints fans nature to slag off at least one player in the side, no matter how we have done, ive known a lot of saints players personally over the years and most of them comment on it, at the moment its guly, most of our fans are so lacking in knowledge about football, they really dont appreciate the quallitys he brings to our side, im with nige, id play him every time he is available, a full lesson in the rules may help some fans, around me they constantly blame the ref, when 95% of the time the ref has made the right decisions, i really really hope the critism of guly is not for racial reasons, although i did hear a few racist comments at the ground yesterday, come on lads, support nige and what he is trying to achieve here, moaning at someone has never ever motivated them