Leave off guly

[beatlesaint]

He was poor first half but he was hardly alone was he ?

Second half he played well.

 

He was no better or no worse than anyone else today so give the guy a break ffs.

[Ashley Grute]

I really like Guly- had a really good 2nd half up front today in my opinion.

[Kingsland Red]

I posted on the post match thread that 4-2-2-2 meant we had no means of stretching Barnsley width wise.

It also meant some players were out of their comfort zone. I would suggest Guly and Hammond suffered the most in a crowded midfield.

The Barnsley left back was rarely picked up, but rarely got forward and did little, despite the space he was afforded. NA clearly did his homework there.

[Chez]

I'm embarrassed by the number of Saints fans only too willing to jump in his back as soon as he mis-controls for the first time. Some need to put their preconceived opinions about him to one side and judge him on each game. When he is bad then grumble, but don't grumble just because he makes the odd mistake and you don't like him.

 

Yes he's far from perfect, his touch can be terrible at times and I guess we expect that as a bare minimum at this level, but his work rate is pretty good, he strong and he has a touch of class and creativity too. If you don't rate him fair enough but **** off with your hostility, it isn't helping him or the side. Your "hatred" is actually making it tougher for us to win the league so have a look at yourself.

[Roger]

I posted on the post match thread that 4-2-2-2 meant we had no means of stretching Barnsley width wise.

It also meant some players were out their comfort zone. I would suggest Guly and Hammond suffered the most in a crowded midfield.

The Barnsley left back was rarely picked up, but rarely got forward and did little, despite the space he was afforded. NA clearly did his homework there.

 

Fox awesome. Made the difference from tues.

[TheCholulaKid]

What an utterly ludicrous comparison.

 

Not really, mate. Le Tissier used to get loads of **** back in the day. People have short memories. Not suggesting Guly is in his class but he is unpredictable - every team needs a bit of that.

[eharty9]

if you think guly's **** you have no clue about technicalities in football.

[Chez]

Guly has scored once in the last 16 games!!!!!

he's started how many of those games? He scored at Forest. Since then he's started 5 times (all in midfield) and 3 sub appearances.

[HedgeEnder]

The stick dished out at Guly today was disgraceful. Embarrassed to be a Saints fan sometimes.

[tttdcs]

I'm embarrassed by the number of Saints fans only too willing to jump in his back as soon as he mis-controls for the first time. Some need to put their preconceived opinions about him to one side and judge him on each game. When he is bad then grumble, but don't grumble just because he makes the odd mistake and you don't like him.

 

Yes he's far from perfect, his touch can be terrible at times and I guess we expect that as a bare minimum at this level, but his work rate is pretty good, he strong and he has a touch of class and creativity too. If you don't rate him fair enough but **** off with your hostility, it isn't helping him or the side. Your "hatred" is actually making it tougher for us to win the league so have a look at yourself.

 

Well said that man !

[Chez]

he's ****ing ****, thats why, its like playing with 10 men ffs. Just about everyone around me thinks the same, so if thats the average then most most think it too.

playing with 10 men. You really think that?

[dune]

I saw him just after he joined us and thought he was poor. I still think he's poor.

[dune]

playing with 10 men. You really think that?

 

I agree with Noodles on this one.

[saintscottofthenortham]

I agree with Noodles on this one.

 

and me.

[trousers]

he's ****ing ****, thats why, its like playing with 10 men ffs. Just about everyone around me thinks the same, so if thats the average then most most think it too.

 

You weren't sitting behind me were you? (block 14, row S).

 

Annoying bloke that spent the WHOLE game (I kid you not) moaning and groaning about Guly.

 

He had an 'ok' game IMO but the next bloke who sits near me moaning about him the duration of the game is going to get a punch in the face. Literally.

[DrunkenSaint]

Amen. It's blatant racism.

No it's not its the truth, he had been utter rubbish in the last 3-4 months, i liked him last season and thought he improved at the beginning of this season but now seeing him time after time putting in poor shifts it could cost us, it was only the fact Barnsley were poor today that we got away having in the side.

 

Can't believe the stick guly got today despite putting in a decent shift.

I wouldn't say a decent shift, 2nd was ok but lack of work rate shows, he does not close down quicker enough and sometimes he just stands there looking at the opposition with the ball only metres away. 1st half was terrible it was like playing with 10 men.

 

he was awful and looked uninterested until he went upfront in the 2nd half, then when Sharp came on and Guly dropped back into midfield his shoulders dropped again. At home we get away with it, play like that away and we will get punished

 

Spot on, if he plays against Millwall or any other physical game (Pompey, Reading) he wont get a look in. He got away with it today since they were poor.

[Roger]

No it's not its the truth, he had been utter rubbish in the last 3-4 months, i liked him last season and thought he improved at the beginning of this season but now seeing him time after time putting in poor shifts it could cost us, it was only the fact Barnsley were poor today that we got away having in the side.

 

 

I wouldn't say a decent shift, 2nd was ok but lack of work rate shows, he does not close down quicker enough and sometimes he just stands there looking at the opposition with the ball only metres away. 1st half was terrible it was like playing with 10 men.

 

 

 

Spot on, if he plays against Millwall or any other physical game (Pompey, Reading) he wont get a look in. He got away with it today since they were poor.

 

He played vs west ham home and away and set up goal at reading so get ur facts right.

[Milton]

Really don't understand the anti Guly remarks. He was quite poor in the first half but so were most of the team, second half he was at the heart of most good things. Saints fans love a scapegoat.

[Ampersound]

A few in the chapel booed him during the first half but thankfully didnt continue.

 

Most people don't realise he played in three different positions today.. He's a team player and once the northam sang "Guly" after some skill which I couldn't see down the other end. He grew in stature.

 

Ok he's inconsistent but I like him

[dune]

Sat with an ex saint today who was a scout for a championship team a couple of years ago. He thinks guly is very poor as he isn't confident enough to hold his position

 

Who's that Hypo?

[MOSaint.]

Im not guly fan and would love to be proved wrong, he was poor in the first half today but even I though he did ok the second half, he is a frustrating player for sure, and his name in the starting line up today was a disappointment to me, he may put in some good passes and through balls but when there is space for him to run into to receive a return ball hes just not there, more than a couple of times today frazer could have done with some support from him for a return ball but he went awol and frazer ran into nothing, he just seems to run out of steam after the first ten minutes of every game he plays, I would love him to get into the game and just challenge more and look like he is an asset to our team but hey if that does happen I will hang the flags out, We miss chaplow real bad hope he is back,as he makes things happen. COYR!!!!

[Roger]

Im not guly fan and would love to be proved wrong, he was poor in the first half today but even I though he did ok the second half, he is a frustrating player for sure, and his name in the starting line up today was a disappointment to me, he may put in some good passes and through balls but when there is space for him to run into to receive a return ball hes just not there, more than a couple of times today frazer could have done with some support from him for a return ball but he went awol and frazer ran into nothing, he just seems to run out of steam after the first ten minutes of every game he plays, I would love him to get into the game and just challenge more and look like he is an asset to our team but hey if that does happen I will hang the flags out, We miss chaplow real bad hope he is back,as he makes things happen. COYR!!!!

 

chaplows fit just not selected. makes things happen? gulys scored 11 goals.

[the saint in winchester]

Thought he looked a completely different player once he moved up front. Would still prefer a tricky player like Punch or SDR at right mid as Guly doesn't make the runs up the wings like they do.

 

I think that's the nub (spelling? knub??) of it. Guly is playing in a position where we have other options, so fans of the other options will resent him being first choice. He'd be MY third choice, but I defer to Adkins. What is frustrating is that - as noted many times - Guly blows hot and cold, and when he's cold, he should come off and allow someone to affect the game.

Edited 10 March, 2012 by the saint in winchester

[trousers]

Guly frustrates those spectators that prefer the 'typical' English "stick it up 'em" style of play. Guly isn't that kind of player. He's a "stroke it around, meander around, deft touch" kind of player.

 

As I say, I'm in the "yet to be convinced he's the bees knees" camp but I'm also in the "don't moan and groan about him" camp.

[Scarface]

What is it with the culture of our fans that they'd rather seem to worry about guly than the result. Today I've never heard a player get so much stick. He's scored 11 goals for heavens sake.

 

Devils advocate he's gone as missing in as many games as lallana this season, 11 league goals this season. If Adkins rates him FFs shut the f@@@ up and get on with it. Only saints fans can start ****e when things are going well

[dune]

He's a "stroke it around, meander around, deft touch" kind of player.

 

[Saint_John]

Guly was one of our better players today.

 

As soon as Nigel changed systems (after 25 -30 mins) from a flat 4 in midfield to morgan as the anchor and the other 3 (Adam, Guly & Dean) in more advanced roles, we were twice the team we had been in the first 25/30mins.

 

He and Adam looked really good in that advanced midfield roles and I liked that 4-1-3-2 system, it went along way to finding a system that combats the 4-5-1 system that other teams have been using against us. (Their wide players stopping our full backs getting forward and the 3 in central midfield were out numbering our 2).

[Dazza82]

Tell you what, should we get promoted Guly will feature less and less and less

 

Never in a million years good enough to be a regular for a team that is to stay up in the prem

 

Were not in the prem, so what has your last comment about?

 

Some people really need to take a look at themselves! Its a team game win lose or draw its "Together as one" This should include our fans some of who seem to love to have a scapegoat.

 

Who has everyone got their money on for next season?

 

I reckon it should be fat lazy lambert, I mean what a carthorse he couldnt score in a brothel!

 

Get a grip people!!

[Chin Strain]

The bloke is lazy, useless and not good enough for this level.

 

I just cant get over his lack lustered and uninterested performance against the skates in December which cost us the win.

 

His 10 goals at this level would suggest otherwise. I believe that's more than any WHU or Reading striker...and he doesn't take penalties.

 

I wish our central midfielders had that many between them.

[shirleysfc]

Thought he was fine today, took a bit of time to get into the game but he ticked along nicley as it went on.

 

I noticed that if he tried a mental bit of skill, or a pin point pass that didn't quite make it...you'd hear the grumbles and the expletivies against him.

 

Yet if Lallana tried the same and failed in the same way, he'd be applauded.

 

The atmopshere against him is out of order.

 

This!

 

Lambert played some shocking balls today but every time got an unlucky clap!

[Saint_Randell]

Was Guly one of our better players today? For me - no.

 

Was he one of our weaker players today? For me - yes.

 

Did I sit and slag him off all game and give him constant abuse? And did he deserve the critiscm? No. Getting on his back is going to do nothing apart from make him play worse. (and annoy everyone around you and make you like a nob)

 

I still believe he could have given a bit more effort but it's just not his style of play to sprint about all over the place like a headless chicken like Chaplow. Nigel obviously thinks he's doing a good enough job for the team and (for the moment) thats good enough for me. However just because your against the criticism for Guly (I certainly am) doesn't mean you have to say he played well, because a lot of the time he hasn't.

[Charlie Wayman]

he's ****ing ****, thats why, its like playing with 10 men ffs. Just about everyone around me thinks the same, so if thats the average then most most think it too.

 

Pity you lot know nothing about football then.

[dannysfc]

As much as he tries for Saints and yes I am entirely grateful for the goals he's scored for Saints this season etc

I still think that he is Bloody Awful and looks quite Lazy so give me Lee, Sharp anyday over him But I'l get right

behind him whatever game he plays and will stop berating him when he gives 100% to the cause!

That is all!

[Dimond Geezer]

Guly suffers from the ability to play in more than one position, he is possibly a jack of all trades, today he played left-mid, then swapped to right-mid for part of the first half, he then played in the hole, then up front, then back in the hole. He played ok in all the positions asked, not outstanding, but ok. He wasn't our worst player today, I though RL was pretty poor, but we can't say that, because he is Rickie. Unfortunately, it would seem that the knuckle draggers in our fan base always need a whipping boy, we've had a few in our time, it seems tha Guly is that person for this squad. How often does Lallana run up blind alleys, or dither on the edge of the box, before turning around and playing a ball back to a player, yet you don't get a mass "groan" from the crowd, as you do when Guly does the same thing. Another example, there was a point in the first half when RL had the ball out on the right wing, he had an unmarked player he could pass to about 10yards from him, he chose to put in a speculative cross, there was no-one in the box & he overhit it anyway, it went for a throw on the left, he got a ripple of applause, if it had been Guly the neanderthals would have aploplectic, and hurled abuse at him.

 

Sometimes I'm embarresed by our fans, we would be a poorer team without him.

[teacher]

I just can't believe that although we are top of the league there are fans who consistently moan. Would you rather we were in the same position as Pompey? That would give you something worth while to grunt about!

 

Guly has scored some vital goals for us over the past couple of seasons yet he is the new fall guy. I agree with the title of this thread and leave him to get on with his job.

[shirleysfc]

Where can I find the threads about Fonte, Richardson, Hammond and Lambert who were equally bad in the first half?

[revolution saint]

Guly frustrates those spectators that prefer the 'typical' English "stick it up 'em" style of play. Guly isn't that kind of player. He's a "stroke it around, meander around, deft touch" kind of player.

 

As I say, I'm in the "yet to be convinced he's the bees knees" camp but I'm also in the "don't moan and groan about him" camp.

 

If that were the case then Lallana would get shedloads of stick for a bad game, but he doesn't. I think people need to recognise that it's an entirely legitimate opinion to think Guly isn't that good without it being uneducated (football wise), rascist or anything else. Personally I don't rate him that much, I'd rather have Chaplow or Puncheon in the side, but today I thought NA's tactics made him look worse than he actually was. I hope he doesn't play against Millwall as we have IMO better options.

[LeBenali]

Inconsistent & frustrating yes, but equally able to pull a goal out of nowhere. He's by far a better all round player than De Ridder, and although not one of our best players, I'd certainly rather have him in the 16 than not at all.

[Thedelldays]

Where can I find the threads about Fonte, Richardson, Hammond and Lambert who were equally bad in the first half?

 

Start one of you like

[Katalinic]

The stick dished out at Guly today was disgraceful. Embarrassed to be a Saints fan sometimes.

 

Agree 100%. Some idiot woman behind me always boos when his name is read out on the team sheet. The first time he misplaces a pass and she is off, spending the next 10 minutes moaning about him. Mind you she has no concept of possession football and constantly bays for us to lump it forward - if you see a woman in a green coat in the Chapel that looks like a human owl, that's her. Guly is an enigma, he will have good days, he will have bad days. Today certainly wasn't as bad as some (or owl woman) are making out.

[SaintsAhoy]

Guly was **** poor today, until he moved up front. He then marginally improved. For me he is more of a forward than a midfielder and we should utilise him in this manner. We severly lacked any kind of width whatsoever in the first half. I am not sure whether this is Guly's fault, or he was acting under instruction. Either way, it really didn't work. I'm grateful for Guly's contribution this season, but I would be quite happy for him to be rested for a few games

[trousers]

[sidthesquid]

I am by no means Guly's biggest fan & I thought he was poor on Tuesday, but he did well today. He was clearly not meant to be playing wide right, but he worked hard, did some good things and followed his manager's instructions. He always looks a bit laconic and casual, but he didn't give the ball away much and he did some good covering work too. efinitely put a shift in today as far as I'm concerned.

[shurlock]

I am by no means Guly's biggest fan & I thought he was poor on Tuesday, but he did well today. He was clearly not meant to be playing wide right, but he worked hard, did some good things and followed his manager's instructions. He always looks a bit laconic and casual, but he didn't give the ball away much and he did some good covering work too. efinitely put a shift in today as far as I'm concerned.

 

Agree - nobody covered themselves in glory for the opening half hour. He's never going to bomb on down the wing - we rely on our the fullbacks for that - both of whom sat quite deep at times. If there's a problem, its with the system. Had a solid 2nd half and was disciplined as usual- can't think of many of our forward players who track back 40 odd yards to make a tackle in their own box.

[Stubby]

Guly played well today. He has good games, average games and poor games, just like everybody else. Today he was good, though not world-beating.

 

Some people sitting near me seemed to have decided before the game started that he'd be rubbish, and looked out for all his mistakes. They were so set in their opinion that they couldn't see that he actually performed as well as most of his teammates today.

[dvaughanwilliams]

First half, he was poor. He doesn't really fit as a winger because he won't try and take on defenders, but would rather play a pass inside to the strikers or to the full back on the overlap. His movement wasn't very good either and didn't close down the opposition as well as he normally does.

 

When we moved to the diamond he played a lot better. In the second half I thought he was one of our best players. He was almost always in space and available to pass to. At least half the times he received the ball he played an instant, first touch pass, most of which seemed to reach their intended recipient. Playing upfront, or just behind the strikers, he looks to be a very effective player.

 

His game is all about retaining possession and playing neat, one-touch passing. If you don't rate these attributes then, you'll never like him. I know people want to see players burst past the full backs or beat them with a trick, but Guly won't do this, maybe this is why he gets stick.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

Inconsistent & frustrating yes, but equally able to pull a goal out of nowhere. He's by far a better all round player than De Ridder, and although not one of our best players, I'd certainly rather have him in the 16 than not at all.

 

What you say may well have some truth in it, or to be more succinct, it was arguably true earlier on in the season. People keep harping on about his 11 goals and numerous 'assists' - but just how many of those have we seen since Christmas say ? Footballing form meaningfully exists only in the 'now' I'm afraid, and what you may have done back in September or October does not necessarily have that much baring on your value to the team in March or April.

 

I say today Jack Cork, Richard Chaplow (even Jason bloody Puncheon) might all have made a significantly more effective contribution to our collective effort than what Guly do Prado is currently offering us - and as we at very much at the 'business end' of the season now Guly may well be a luxury we just can't afford any longer.

 

That's not to say those who boo him at games are right to do so because, although I share their sense of frustration, I don't really believe it does any good at all.

[shurlock]

First half, he was poor. He doesn't really fit as a winger because he won't try and take on defenders, but would rather play a pass inside to the strikers or to the full back on the overlap. His movement wasn't very good either and didn't close down the opposition as well as he normally does.

 

When we moved to the diamond he played a lot better. In the second half I thought he was one of our best players. He was almost always in space and available to pass to. At least half the times he received the ball he played an instant, first touch pass, most of which seemed to reach their intended recipient. Playing upfront, or just behind the strikers, he looks to be a very effective player.

 

His game is all about retaining possession and playing neat, one-touch passing. If you don't rate these attributes then, you'll never like him. I know people want to see players burst past the full backs or beat them with a trick, but Guly won't do this, maybe this is why he gets stick.

 

Guly doesn't fit in many positions - I don't think he's brilliant upfront. But he does work in the diamond/just behind the strikers as he showed to an excellent effect in the 2nd half. Question is whether we would ever make the sacrifices necessary to accommodate there. If we did, we would probably have to play someone like Cork on the right which has its own problems.

[shurlock]

What you say may well have some truth in it, or to be more succinct, it was arguably true earlier on in the season. People keep harping on about his 11 goals and numerous 'assists' - but just how many of those have we seen since Christmas say ? Footballing form meaningfully exists only in the 'now' I'm afraid, and what you may have done back in September or October does not necessarily have that much baring on your value to the team in March or April.

 

I say today Jack Cork, Richard Chaplow (even Jason bloody Puncheon) might all have made a significantly more effective contribution to our collective effort than what Guly do Prado is currently offering us - and as we at very much at the 'business end' of the season now Guly may well be a luxury we just can't afford any longer.

 

That's not to say those who boo him at games are right to do so because, although I share their sense of frustration, I don't really believe it does any good at all.

 

He's not featured a great deal since Xmas through injury or illness. Give him that at least FFS.

[Saints foreva]

Good second half performance from Guly today.