To all those who were subjected to a 'Section 60' at Swansea

[Mole]

Searching people that look a bit like a hooligan is one thing, but locking them up before and after the game without being formally charged, and stealing their beer seems to me to cross a line.

 

Are you seriously saying people were locked up for no reason at all?

[Wes Tender]

Because a small minority of feral louts like to spoil things for the law abiding majority. As far am i'm concerned the human rights act needs scrapping and the police given more powers to use their initiative. The Human rights Act was also used to comlain against Asian looking people being singled out at airport security checks when it's bloody obvious Asian looking people are the ones who should be watched more closely in these times. Likewise those dressed in Stone Island etc should be subjected to more stop and searches - it's common sense.

 

This is just so wrong, it's unbelievable. Let's stop and search anybody who looks like serial killer Dr. Harold Shipman, as they obviously have potential for great evil. As for the Asians, which ones? Indians, Tibetans, Mongolians, Filippinos, Sri Lankans, Chinese, Japanese? Or should it be based on religion? Search the Islamic followers, but Buddhists usually OK? Clothes? So Stone Island, lock them up as they're all yobs, but Burberry is OK? Where do you stand on Armani? Kindly clarify the parameters so we have a clear idea of what you are proposing here.

[Scudamore]

Because a small minority of feral louts like to spoil things for the law abiding majority. As far am i'm concerned the human rights act needs scrapping and the police given more powers to use their initiative. The Human rights Act was also used to comlain against Asian looking people being singled out at airport security checks when it's bloody obvious Asian looking people are the ones who should be watched more closely in these times. Likewise those dressed in Stone Island etc should be subjected to more stop and searches - it's common sense.

 

So that golliwog avatar matches your racist views then...

[Mole]

This is just so wrong, it's unbelievable. Let's stop and search anybody who looks like serial killer Dr. Harold Shipman, as they obviously have potential for great evil. As for the Asians, which ones? Indians, Tibetans, Mongolians, Filippinos, Sri Lankans, Chinese, Japanese? Or should it be based on religion? Search the Islamic followers, but Buddhists usually OK? Clothes? So Stone Island, lock them up as they're all yobs, but Burberry is OK? Where do you stand on Armani? Kindly clarify the parameters so we have a clear idea of what you are proposing here.

 

What a silly post Wes. Let me put it another way. There's a plane with 700 passengers. 630 are old grannys with blue rinses and 70 passengers are asian looking with beards. Do you strip search 60 grannys and 10 asians to be politically correct or do you concentrate on the asians who tick the boxes of those more likely to be suicide bombers?

 

At the end of the day the Police are there to protect the majority and when there is a threat they should naturally single out those who show the charateristics of the people they suspect could be a problem.

[Mole]

So that golliwog avatar matches your racist views then...

 

No, i like marmalade.

[Scudamore]

What a silly post Wes. Let me put it another way. There's a plane with 700 passengers. 630 are old grannys with blue rinses and 70 passengers are asian looking with beards. Do you strip search 60 grannys and 10 asians to be politically correct or do you concentrate on the asians who tick the boxes of those more likely to be suicide bombers?

 

At the end of the day the Police are there to protect the majority and when there is a threat they should naturally single out those who show the charateristics of the people they suspect could be a problem.

 

 

I suggest strip searches for anyone with a beard trying to get on a plane...

[Mole]

 

I suggest strip searches for anyone with a beard trying to get on a plane...

 

Talk about taking my rather well constructed argument out of context.

 

In a way i'm pleased you can't respond properly as it shows i've won the argument and you've lost.

[Fan The Flames]

If they treat all coaches/minibuses the same then I don't have a particular problem with it (the coach I was on was also subjected to it). The police in Swansea have come up with this fairly draconian method of dealing with away coaches/minibuses presumably with the intention of reducing the number of public order problems. While, as I say, it seems fairly draconian, if it achieves their aim(s) then they'll see it as a good job well done.

 

I completly disagree this is far from acceptable. Football fans have been treated like scum for years.

 

Some kid who beats to death a family man, is in court where they take their wigs off and give him 'comfort breaks' every half an hour and have a social worker in the dock holding his f##kin hand.

 

Yet people who want to go to another town in their own country, have a drink and watch a game of football are considered so worthless that their basic human right not be harrassed by the police is suspended.

 

All for what, beacuse there were a few punchs up between fans back in the 70's and 80's.

 

Why aren't lads on there way out into town on a saturday night corralled into a holding pen and frog marched home after closing time, it wouldn't be allowed yet there is more trouble in town at a weekend then there is in any football match. The police wait around and deal with the trouble when its happening and the same should apply to the football.

 

We shouldn't accept it and if you think its alright you need you head examined, imho.

[jawillwill]

What a silly post Wes. Let me put it another way. There's a plane with 700 passengers. 630 are old grannys with blue rinses and 70 passengers are asian looking with beards. Do you strip search 60 grannys and 10 asians to be politically correct or do you concentrate on the asians who tick the boxes of those more likely to be suicide bombers?

 

At the end of the day the Police are there to protect the majority and when there is a threat they should naturally single out those who show the charateristics of the people they suspect could be a problem.

 

Where the hell is this plane going?

 

 

I'd just like to point out, that I was in Swansea city centre in my 'flint' shirt on the day of the game, and didn't get stopped once...perhaps I just don't look like the trouble making type, I dunno? The sad fact of the matter is the police at football matches are there to stop the small minority of idiots who like to try and spoil it for everyone, and to do that they stop the more stereotypical looking hooligans. Of course this is by no means a perfect method, but these stereotypes of under 30 year olds in burberry hats and stone island jackets exist for a reason. Again, I'm not saying everyone who dresses like that is a hooligan, but I would hedge my bets that the majority of hooligans dress like that.

I did think it was way OTT being caged in at the stadium though, especially considering I'd arranged to have a pint with someone before the match and was unable to get out once I'd collected my ticket. Swansea, has its fair share of ****s (just like every other club) but from what I could gather speaking to Swansea fans, they have no beef with us.

Escorting minibusses all the way from Port Talbot also seemed to be asking for trouble. I don't see what harm a few men could do whilst driving down the M4, but oh well.

 

I'd also like to point out, that I have been to a few matches at Swansea (1 of my best mates is a season ticket holder) this season, and the Saints game was nowhere near as bad as a couple of the others. Swansea v Cardiff was ridiculous. At one point there were 4 helicopters circling the ground and surrounding area, and I counted over 30 riot vans in the stadium car park alone (there were more around the city). Inside the stadium, I was sitting about as far from the away fans as you can get, but there were still riot police everywhere. Although I guess this game is a bit of an extreme example.

 

Their game against Derby was just as bad as the Saints one too!

[Fan The Flames]

At the end of the day the Police are there to protect the majority and when there is a threat they should naturally single out those who show the charateristics of the people they suspect could be a problem.

 

The police are there to protect everyone, not the majority.

 

What threat was there at Swansea, none, its a hysterical over reaction feed by people who know f##k all.

[Mole]

Why aren't lads on there way out into town on a saturday night corralled into a holding pen and frog marched home after closing time, it wouldn't be allowed yet there is more trouble in town at a weekend then there is in any football match. The police wait around and deal with the trouble when its happening and the same should apply to the football.

 

You make a reasonable point but it has flaws.

 

Prevention is a far better approach than cure. If the police can pre-empt public disorder and stop it from happeing in the first place it's preferable to them wading in to break up fights.

 

This is not as feasible with punch ups at closing times as these are spontanious and less tribal. They also happen late at night when more vulnerable people are not about, therefore making the consequences to innocent groups such as children and pensioners less of a factor.

 

Football hooligans, on the other hand, are thugs who organise themselves to have fights, i.e they are not so much spontaneous. For this reason football intelligence can play a part which enables police to be proactive in such situations as oposed to the reactionary response they emply at late night brawls. The police also have to factor in that there will be children and pensioners about - vulnerable people - and therefore they must exercise greater force to protect these people.

[Fan The Flames]

The sad fact of the matter is the police at football matches are there to stop the small minority of idiots who like to try and spoil it for everyone, and to do that they stop the more stereotypical looking hooligans. Of course this is by no means a perfect method, but these stereotypes of under 30 year olds in burberry hats and stone island jackets exist for a reason. Again, I'm not saying everyone who dresses like that is a hooligan, but I would hedge my bets that the majority of hooligans dress like that.

 

It doesn't have to be that way, high visable deterant with rapid reaction sqauds. Simple, no one gets harrassed and those causing trouble are quickly dealt with.

 

How does searching some one reveal they are going to commit a football hooligan crime.

[Mole]

Where the hell is this plane going?

 

 

I'd just like to point out, that I was in Swansea city centre in my 'flint' shirt on the day of the game, and didn't get stopped once...perhaps I just don't look like the trouble making type, I dunno?

 

Or perhaps your 'flint' shirt was a bit outdated.:smt102

[Fan The Flames]

You make a reasonable point but it has flaws.

 

Prevention is a far better approach than cure. If the police can pre-empt public disorder and stop it from happeing in the first place it's preferable to them wading in to break up fights.

 

This is not as feasible with punch ups at closing times as these are spontanious and less tribal. They also happen late at night when more vulnerable people are not about, therefore making the consequences to innocent groups such as children and pensioners less of a factor.

 

Football hooligans, on the other hand, are thugs who organise themselves to have fights, i.e they are not so much spontaneous. For this reason football intelligence can play a part which enables police to be proactive in such situations as oposed to the reactionary response they emply at late night brawls. The police also have to factor in that there will be children and pensioners about - vulnerable people - and therefore they must exercise greater force to protect these people.

 

But the intelligence is not very good if they are stopping everyone. If they have intelligence of a fight occurring its just a question of driving around the riot squad to the known areas, this is enough to disperse people and nipping any disorder in the bud.

 

The intelligence for Swansea Southampton, would have been something along the lines of 'big club, big following (both relative to swansea), ex prem, bit of a scalp to the local hoolies', that is and because of that people are harrassed and not allow to go where they want it the country wher they pay their taxes. Its a disgrace.

 

Seriously when was there a domestic football related fight where women and children got hurt. Never has been one.

[Mole]

But the intelligence is not very good if they are stopping everyone. If they have intelligence of a fight occurring its just a question of driving around the riot squad to the known areas, this is enough to disperse people and nipping any disorder in the bud.

 

The intelligence for Swansea Southampton, would have been something along the lines of 'big club, big following (both relative to swansea), ex prem, bit of a scalp to the local hoolies', that is and because of that people are harrassed and not allow to go where they want it the country wher they pay their taxes. Its a disgrace.

 

Seriously when was there a domestic football related fight where women and children got hurt. Never has been one.

 

Wasn't there an occurence when 'our lot' went on the rampage in West Broms equivalent of a "Brewers Fayre" not so long back?

[EastleighSoulBoy]

So that golliwog avatar matches your racist views then...

 

Finally, at blooming last someone has sussed him. I have already asked the mods, from the Who would you burn thread, what the significance of his avatar was.

 

Well done Scudamore! You found another of our Rabid Racists of the Right!

[EastleighSoulBoy]

What a silly post Wes. Let me put it another way. There's a plane with 700 passengers. 630 are old grannys with blue rinses and 70 passengers are asian looking with beards. Do you strip search 60 grannys and 10 asians to be politically correct or do you concentrate on the asians who tick the boxes of those more likely to be suicide bombers?

 

At the end of the day the Police are there to protect the majority and when there is a threat they should naturally single out those who show the charateristics of the people they suspect could be a problem.

 

Don't use an extremely unlikely scenario to prop up your extremely racist view.

[Mole]

Don't use an extremely unlikely scenario to prop up your extremely racist view.

 

Oh the irony. You are stereotyping me because my innocent little golly, yet think it's wrong to stereotype hooligans by the clothes they where. Oh dear.

[Weston Super Saint]

page 4 if anyone cares..

 

http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/documents/football-arreststatistics-2007?view=Binary

 

Another thing we're sh1t at.

 

Even Stoke are beating us

[This Charming Man]

Another thing we're sh1t at.

 

Even Stoke are beating us

 

Errr, that's not really suprising, seeing as they have one of the most active hooligan firms in the country.

[Weston Super Saint]

Errr, that's not really suprising, seeing as they have one of the most active hooligan firms in the country.

 

Why don't we have the bestest yoof in the whole wide world.

 

Something to strive for surely?

 

Bristol City and Peterborough are ahead of us FFS

[Kaiser Soze]

What a load of boll0cks.The police have no respect for the average football fan, and as such, I have no respect for them. At Swansea I was called a "C*NT" to my face when I was questioned why I was being held against my will during the game (it was 3-0 and I wanted to get out), and I've also had unpleasant experiences with other over-zealous forces, most notably Midlands, Manchester and Yorkshire. The bottom line there are peadophiles and rapists lacing our streets, yet they more concerned with concentrating their resources at a football match. They treat the average supporter like scum and their day is made all the brighter if they can make it as inconvenient experience for us as at all possible.

[EastleighSoulBoy]

Oh the irony. You are stereotyping me because my innocent little golly, yet think it's wrong to stereotype hooligans by the clothes they where. Oh dear.

 

Innocent, really?

 

Or stereotype Muslims or Asians because of the clothes which they wear?

 

Stanley you have been found out.

Edited 8 November, 2008 by EastleighSoulBoy

[Gorgiesaint]

Interesting comparison - lucky enough to get a ticket for Real Madrid v Juventus at the Bernabeu on Wednesday, great atmosphere with both sets of fans mingling before & after the game. Even had a few pockets of Juventus fans in with the home fans without any trouble.

 

Leaving the ground, bit of bother with one Spanish lad having a go at someone else in the tube station, the policeman who was next to me whipped out his batten, shouted at him to keep still, he didn't so he hit him as hard as he could in the ribs. The guy ran off, but I can bet he'll think twice about starting anything next time. Basically treat fans with respect & you get respect back.

 

By the way, Del Piero also got a standing ovation from the Real fans when he was taken off - they recognise quality when they see it.

[Alain Perrin]

At Swansea I was called a "C*NT" to my face when I was questioned why I was being held against my will during the game (it was 3-0 and I wanted to get out)

 

I love stories like this. You know, where the innocent, butter wouldn't melt in his mouth fan asks if he could perambulate back to the railway station and gets called a ****.

 

However, in your case I'm sure you were polite to them and they had no reason to be rude to you....

Edited 7 November, 2008 by Alain Perrin

[Alain Perrin]

Leaving the ground, bit of bother with one Spanish lad having a go at someone else in the tube station, the policeman who was next to me whipped out his batten, shouted at him to keep still, he didn't so he hit him as hard as he could in the ribs. The guy ran off, but I can bet he'll think twice about starting anything next time. Basically treat fans with respect & you get respect back.

 

I bet he's moaning about it on http://www.juveweb.com/forum though.

[Wes Tender]

Oh the irony. You are stereotyping me because my innocent little golly, yet think it's wrong to stereotype hooligans by the clothes they where. Oh dear.

 

It's not where; it's wear. So shall I stereotype you as being poorly educated because of your poor spelling, or because I find your racist views? Oh dear.

[Mole]

It's not where; it's wear. So shall I stereotype you as being poorly educated because of your poor spelling, or because I find your racist views? Oh dear.

 

LOL dumbo, if you're going to pull me up on spelling (yeah it was wrong) at least try and post your sarky comment so it makes sense.

Edited 7 November, 2008 by Mole

[Wes Tender]

LOL dumbo, if you're going to pull me up on spelling (yeah it was wrong) at least try and post your sarky comment so it makes sense you thick ****.

 

Right, you know that you're wrong about the spelling, but not about the racist slant of your mind. I don't know how that can be corrected, except by travelling and mixing with different cultures to broaden your mind, which is so narrow at the moment that it's a one way street.

[Mole]

Right, you know that you're wrong about the spelling, but not about the racist slant of your mind. I don't know how that can be corrected, except by travelling and mixing with different cultures to broaden your mind, which is so narrow at the moment that it's a one way street.

 

Thanks for the advice.:smt033

[Jayram]

Couldn't agree more. The ones who make such a fuss about the police presence are the ones who know they are either doing something wrong/planning to cause trouble.

I very rarely get searched at football, although I did at Swansea, but it doesn't bother me.If you're polite to the police and just simply coorerate you'll have no trouble what so ever.

Unfortunately, there are people who seem to think all social norms should go out the window with regards to the police, especially at football.

 

Example like this:

 

 

sum it up nicely for me. I take it as understood that if I tell a police man to **** off I will get punished. I know people will use the old it was alcohols fault etc. but I don't see that as an excuse. I love getting ****ed at football as much as the next guy, but why should that give you an excuse to start abusing the police and/or the opposition fans!

 

Then again, I'm probably just an old fart for giving respect to people in a role of authority, whether I actually agree with them or not...

 

 

As a regular football fan and a police officer who has been on public order duties at football matches in the past I can honestly say that it is generally only those who are looking to kick off and/or who are abusive to police that are treated robustly. There are always going to be individual cops who are overly officious at times, and innocent fans do get caught up in situations occasionally, but if you spent a day with officers policing a match you would see a completely different side of the story. I have been on duty on matchday in Reading for instance when the likes of Cardiff or Millwall are playing, and ordinary members of the public have come up to me, genuinely frightened and upset by the behaviour of these Stone Island wearing morons, who only seem to have the bottle for a scrap when they are in a large group intimidating innocent people. This sort of behaviour is totally unacceptable, and given that so many children and families attend matches these days you can surely understand why the police are so firm in their handling of such 'fans'.

The bottom line is, if you are going to the match simply to watch the game, generally you will be treated decently. If you go with an attitude or an intention to have a pop at other fans or the police, you will get treated with zero tolerance. Policing of football matches isn't perfect, but its better than it was 20 years ago and does stop a lot of serious violence occurring that otherwise might affect everyone going to a game.

[landford.saint]

Speaking as ex-plod I know there are some coppers out there who enjoy/revell in a bit of aggro. And the bosses know it, so these are the ones who undergo public order trainining. Subsequently they are the ones used in any potential public order situations, like football control. Get an arrest, its bit of cudos, and loads of overtime doing all the paperwork. Its a win-win situation for them. Have a bit of aggro/fun and get paid for it, with the chance of some overtime.

However you have to put yourself in their sights to get aggro. Been away many times, always wear the shirt. Have never had any bother with these idiots because I dont give them reason to.

Dont give them reason and you will have a good time (results excepted)

[View From The Top]

There are plenty of coppers who police football matches who treat anyone dressed in a "casual" manner as hooligans as that's what they've been briefed and they employ Section 60 and then don't like to be challenged about it.

 

I wouldn't ****** on one if they were on fire in the street.

[lordswoodsaints]

Because a small minority of feral louts like to spoil things for the law abiding majority. As far am i'm concerned the human rights act needs scrapping and the police given more powers to use their initiative. The Human rights Act was also used to comlain against Asian looking people being singled out at airport security checks when it's bloody obvious Asian looking people are the ones who should be watched more closely in these times. Likewise those dressed in Stone Island etc should be subjected to more stop and searches - it's common sense.

 

i wear stone island but do i deserve to be stopped and searched as much as somebody who wears umbro?....of course not.

are you saying that wearing expensive clothing and foowear makes you more agressive on match days?.....nonsense..............if that is what you are saying then how many times has a bloke wearing a £800 armani suit been stopped going into the ground....it just wont happen.

in days gone by i have been stopped,abused,kicked and punched just for being a football fan.............the biggest thug group in the country is the old bill,they can do virtually what they like and usually are never brought to justice.

discrimination of a particular group is a dangerous game,wearing stone island,armani,boss,fjall raven etc etc doesnt make you a football hooligan,you are whatever you are but draped in expensive clothing.

if you are an aggressive person without the clothes then you will be exactly the same with them.......simple as that.

[Mole]

i wear stone island but do i deserve to be stopped and searched as much as somebody who wears umbro?....of course not.

are you saying that wearing expensive clothing and foowear makes you more agressive on match days?.....nonsense..............if that is what you are saying then how many times has a bloke wearing a £800 armani suit been stopped going into the ground....it just wont happen.

in days gone by i have been stopped,abused,kicked and punched just for being a football fan.............the biggest thug group in the country is the old bill,they can do virtually what they like and usually are never brought to justice.

discrimination of a particular group is a dangerous game,wearing stone island,armani,boss,fjall raven etc etc doesnt make you a football hooligan,you are whatever you are but draped in expensive clothing.

if you are an aggressive person without the clothes then you will be exactly the same with them.......simple as that.

 

Well i've never ever been stopped, abused, kicked etc by the police at football, nor have the vast majority of fans. Are you saying you are not a hooligan and/or have never been a hooligan?

[Jayram]

I wouldn't ****** on one if they were on fire in the street.

 

No, but if your house got burgled or your mum got mugged you'd call em then wouldn't you? You brainless tw*t!

[EFM]

Well i've never ever been stopped, abused, kicked etc by the police at football, nor have the vast majority of fans. Are you saying you are not a hooligan and/or have never been a hooligan?

 

Using your previous analogy Stanley ALL the grannies on the plane would have been stopped and searched in Swansea. That's how cleverly the Welsh police were "profiling" people. Colours = asking for trouble in Swansea. No colours = definately looking for trouble.

 

No doubt all were suspected of the heinous crime of "being a football fan in a city other than your own"

[View From The Top]

I wouldn't ****** on one if they were on fire in the street.

 

No, but if your house got burgled or your mum got mugged you'd call em then wouldn't you? You brainless tw*t!

 

If I were a brainless t w a t I'd be perfect for plod.

 

There would be no point in calling you if I were burgled or if my dear old mum was mugged as all you'd do is turn up 3 days later and issue a crime number.

 

Plod at football = "Cat C" c u n t s

[yorkie]

We have a mean crew up here, they are the "specials" a mini bus full of the elite copper fightclub. They are sent into the roughest pubs in Hull to sort out trouble. They are well hard - but they do not get involved with policing football matches.

 

Most of the police I have encountered over the last 40+years of watching Saints (home and away) normally have a sense of humour and just want the day to pass without any trouble.

 

Having said all that the Welsh aspect has something to do with it. They seem to hate any one remotely associated with England. The further west you go the bigger the chip. It seems "football fans" don't help themselves - and Swansea have a crew who think they are a bit useful - and ever club going there has a crew who want to have a go.

 

Get beered up and you are a nuisance, stay sober and you are looking for trouble.

 

Just out of interest - anyone get funny looks for using a mobile phone?

 

Give the chaps a break - it was overtime for them. Keeping a low profile helps too, avoid walking round in groups, and save the chanting to inside the ground. Football has progressed from who has the hardest fans (I think) but some of us still live in the 70/80s when football seemed to be all about getting a reputation that your town was harder than their town...trips to Ipswich seemed suggest we were just as bad back then too.

[Toomer]

We have a mean crew up here, they are the "specials" a mini bus full of the elite copper fightclub. They are sent into the roughest pubs in Hull to sort out trouble. They are well hard - but they do not get involved with policing football matches.

 

Most of the police I have encountered over the last 40+years of watching Saints (home and away) normally have a sense of humour and just want the day to pass without any trouble.

 

Having said all that the Welsh aspect has something to do with it. They seem to hate any one remotely associated with England. The further west you go the bigger the chip. It seems "football fans" don't help themselves - and Swansea have a crew who think they are a bit useful - and ever club going there has a crew who want to have a go.

 

Get beered up and you are a nuisance, stay sober and you are looking for trouble.

 

Just out of interest - anyone get funny looks for using a mobile phone?

 

Give the chaps a break - it was overtime for them. Keeping a low profile helps too, avoid walking round in groups, and save the chanting to inside the ground. Football has progressed from who has the hardest fans (I think) but some of us still live in the 70/80s when football seemed to be all about getting a reputation that your town was harder than their town...trips to Ipswich seemed suggest we were just as bad back then too.

 

Ipswich was always a fun day out back then peanuts for sixpence.

[TopGun]

i wear stone island but do i deserve to be stopped and searched as much as somebody who wears umbro?....of course not.

are you saying that wearing expensive clothing and foowear makes you more agressive on match days?.....nonsense..............if that is what you are saying then how many times has a bloke wearing a £800 armani suit been stopped going into the ground....it just wont happen.

in days gone by i have been stopped,abused,kicked and punched just for being a football fan.............the biggest thug group in the country is the old bill,they can do virtually what they like and usually are never brought to justice.

discrimination of a particular group is a dangerous game,wearing stone island,armani,boss,fjall raven etc etc doesnt make you a football hooligan,you are whatever you are but draped in expensive clothing.

if you are an aggressive person without the clothes then you will be exactly the same with them.......simple as that.

 

I'm afraid that branded clothing of that nature does send off a message though. It's little more than a more expensive version of the shellsuits and hoodies uniform and that's how the police see and react to it.

[lordswoodsaints]

Well i've never ever been stopped, abused, kicked etc by the police at football, nor have the vast majority of fans. Are you saying you are not a hooligan and/or have never been a hooligan?

 

in the 80's i was involved with fighting at football,i used to go to nearly all the away games and the biggest fight you had was just getting to the ground,the police would be so hyped up expecting trouble that you would get kicked and punched just getting off of the train,innocent fans and troublemakers alike.

perhaps i deserved it back then(live by the sword die by the sword and all that) but today i certainly dont,if i want to goto football wearing expensive designer clothing does this mean i am going to start trouble?....of course not,in the same way as having a different tone of skin doesnt make you a terrorist.

in 1979 i was 12 and my mate who i used to go to football with was 13,we were walking down hill lane to the dell with our new flags that we had bought at wembley (saints v forest) we got as far as the cemetery and a van load of young coppers got out,surrounded us,ripped up our flags and snapped the sticks,slapped us about ,pushed us on the floor and kicked us......they picked us up and told us we were not allowed to walk down hill lane and that we had to walk the long way round through shirley,laughing about it as we walked away..........from what i can recall i didnt have any designer clothing on and i wasnt a hooligan,just a kid walking to the ground with his mate as we had always done as we were season ticket holders.

from that day i lost any respect i had for the police and 30 years later i still dont but i no longer go looking for trouble as i did.my kids go to football wearing their designer clothing,they are not troublemakers but sometimes they get a bit of hassle off of the police,is this because they wear designer clothes?,is it because they are teenagers? or is it because they are tarred with the same brush of being a potential trouble maker because of a mixture of designer clothing and being a teenager?......of course it is,does it make it right?

Edited 8 November, 2008 by lordswoodsaints

[Thedelldays]

What a load of boll0cks.The police have no respect for the average football fan.

I am not surprised...

 

have you seen some of the dregs of society that tend to sit in the northam (not all those who sit in the northam)

 

we have a pretty placid fan base and on so away games I have been embarrassed by some of the behaviour by our away fans..you only have to look at the tribal mentality during games when kids (very young kids) are give out plenty of nescafe hand shakes etc and goading people for a scrap behind the safety of a police line...then saying they have done nothing wrong..

 

if the police want to stop me for 3-5 mins and do a basic search on me before i go into a ground then so be it...if it stops just ONE idiot at a game then it will be worth it...

 

maybe we should have no police then see how we fare?...didnt this happen against barnsley at SMS then some joyfull saints fans started smashing up an away coach?...

 

[EastleighSoulBoy]

Speaking as ex-plod I know there are some coppers out there who enjoy/revell in a bit of aggro. And the bosses know it, so these are the ones who undergo public order trainining. Subsequently they are the ones used in any potential public order situations, like football control. Get an arrest, its bit of cudos, and loads of overtime doing all the paperwork. Its a win-win situation for them. Have a bit of aggro/fun and get paid for it, with the chance of some overtime.

However you have to put yourself in their sights to get aggro. Been away many times, always wear the shirt. Have never had any bother with these idiots because I dont give them reason to.

Dont give them reason and you will have a good time (results excepted)

 

Bob Gough, of Eastleigh. A prime example of what you're saying. And a 24 carat diamond he is!

Edited 8 November, 2008 by EastleighSoulBoy

[Mole]

maybe we should have no police then see how we fare?...didnt this happen against barnsley at SMS then some joyfull saints fans started smashing up an away coach?...

 

 

A good point. I've seen the footage of feral youths, spurred on by older thugs, terrorising women and children on the Barnsley coach.

[Scudamore]

A good point. I've seen the footage of feral youths, spurred on by older thugs, terrorising women and children on the Barnsley coach.

 

"Feral youths"? You continue to confirm my view that you are Sundance Beast...back to wind people up...have you got nothing better to do with your time than argue with people for the sake of it? Attempts to disguise this fact by taking an anti Lowe stance this time aren't really working...multiple usernames takes a few fivers eh?

[Thedelldays]

"Feral youths"? You continue to confirm my view that you are Sundance Beast...back to wind people up...have you got nothing better to do with your time than argue with people for the sake of it? Attempts to disguise this fact by taking an anti Lowe stance this time aren't really working...multiple usernames takes a few fivers eh?

 

have you seen the footage?

it was disgusting and embarrassing

[Scudamore]

have you seen the footage?

it was disgusting and embarrassing

 

I'm a pussy. I have no interest in football violence and certainly don't endorse it...

 

There's much more interesting things in life than fighting imo...

[Thedelldays]

I'm a pussy. I have no interest in football violence and certainly don't endorse it...

 

There's much more interesting things in life than fighting imo...

indeed...but there are (sadly) those who cause trouble at games...you only have to glance at sections of the northam to see our finest....and we are fairly placid fans..

that is why police will do what they do to and search people...

[Scudamore]

indeed...but there are (sadly) those who cause trouble at games...you only have to glance at sections of the northam to see our finest....and we are fairly placid fans..

that is why police will do what they do to and search people...

 

No problems with that...

 

As mentioned everyone canes the police until they require their assitance...a thankless task...

 

Filthy pigs...

 

Anyone must go to the pub now...come on Saints...let's see some of the good stuff for once!