St_Tel49 Posted 7 March, 2012 Share Posted 7 March, 2012 Needed DeRidder to start NOT Guly! Why? DeRidder set up two good crosses one of which SRL converted but apart from that did not do a lot. The game should have been won long before he came on. AL missed 3 very convertible chances and Guly had one good run through on goal but missed a difficult chance with the ball coming over his shoulder. Steve did not put in the defensive shift that Guly put in until he was subbed. Having said that it was the right substitution at the right time but I would not put him on ahead of Guly. He is most effective as an impact sub. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 7 March, 2012 Share Posted 7 March, 2012 I'm afraid to say Guly was a sack of ****e tonight. Positionslly all over the place, leaving frazer exposed, whilst other times stood with hands on hips while team breaking forward! What is going on??? De ridder came on and instantly made goal, set up another 5 mins later and played much much better. Hammond bar one crossfield pass did sod all else! May as well have been playing with 9 outfield players. Missed cork. Lambert had mediocre game and lee is a special buy! Lots of usefull runs strong in the tackle and genuinely a threat. Just couldn't play the right balls to him. In the end of the day, too much hoofball, for all of ipswich's recent run, they looked a very average team. Scotland, the ******r scored a good goal as it seemed all the way from block 22 but we should really have won that. Lallana and Lee probably push for man of the match. With a mention for De Ridder! For all the stick he gets on here, after coming on he really did change the game. The question mark over De-Ridder is whether he can start or is best used as an impact player, running at tired defenders late in the game seems to get the best out of him. When he starts he is never as effective as when he comes on as a sub. The Lad did good tonight though he deserves the praise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 7 March, 2012 Share Posted 7 March, 2012 At the moment we need all 11 players working hard and Guly just doesn't do that, we play with 10 men at times when he plays. This is what i've been saying all season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maysie Posted 7 March, 2012 Share Posted 7 March, 2012 Please tell me one thing lallana or lee did to diresctly influence the game? Lallana missed easy chances and lee just ran without any goal threat at all. Lambert set things up all night and scored too. Lambert is a legend, but your love-in for him is quite frankly embarrassing. Apart from the goal was one of his poorer games tonight. We are at our most effective when both Lambert AND Lallana are on form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 7 March, 2012 Share Posted 7 March, 2012 This is what i've been saying all season. Not as clear cut as that though dune is it? Guly was woeful tonight I thought, but at times he has been very good and scored a lot of goals. He also made the goal vs reading that could be crucial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 7 March, 2012 Share Posted 7 March, 2012 Garbage lee hasnt proved he is special at all all huff for me. Lallan poor tonight, lambert mediocre? Set everything up and scored. What game were you watching? Lallana was our most effective player. Rickie didn't play bad but has played much better. Looked a bit leggy. You are blind if you can't see what Lee has brought to the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 7 March, 2012 Share Posted 7 March, 2012 First 30 mins thought we would win convincingly. Guly played well and tackled well but he ran out of steam when we changed shape for 15 mins in the 2nd half. Hammond was missing for most of the game. Harding was poor and the number of times he gets caught when he gets the ball as the last man..poor. He was forcing Jos to pull over to cover him more and once Scotland came on and sat on Hardings shoulder i could see their goal coming. Lee was great and full of running. Steve did what was expected of him when he came on. Draw fair result in the end I suppose. 3 points against Barnsley please. Sorry I know Jos is the team poster boy these days but you can hardly pin the Ipswich goal on Harding (much as everyone wants to) Jos made a complete balls up of what should have been a simple job of seeing the ball out of play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 7 March, 2012 Share Posted 7 March, 2012 Lambert is a legend, but your love-in for him is quite frankly embarrassing. Apart from the goal was one of his poorer games tonight. We are at our most effective when both Lambert AND Lallana are on form. How? Look how many goals he has scored? He set up most of our attacks first half and also set guly up for his chance second half. Won nearly everything in the air and scored with his first chance of the match. In england the fans seem to notice people who run up and down and dont influence the game directly in anyway ie ripley etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 7 March, 2012 Share Posted 7 March, 2012 What game were you watching? Lallana was our most effective player. Rickie didn't play bad but has played much better. Looked a bit leggy. You are blind if you can't see what Lee has brought to the team. And you are falling into the trap of many england fans and judging players on workrate only rather than how they influence games. What did lee do to influence the game or lallna in terms of setting up an easy chance or scoring? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 7 March, 2012 Share Posted 7 March, 2012 The question mark over De-Ridder is whether he can start or is best used as an impact player, running at tired defenders late in the game seems to get the best out of him. When he starts he is never as effective as when he comes on as a sub. The Lad did good tonight though he deserves the praise. This is it. As far as impact subs go, he seems very effective. However, I do believe with a decent run in the team, with his pace and ability to beat his man, he could genuinely be a serious assist man! Just don't get the anti posts about him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 7 March, 2012 Share Posted 7 March, 2012 What game were you watching? Lallana was our most effective player. Rickie didn't play bad but has played much better. Looked a bit leggy. You are blind if you can't see what Lee has brought to the team. Until he got on goal I think I counted at least three attempts that he probably should have done better with his shooting was very powder puff tonight. Having said that he always looked threatning taking him (and Lee) off was a mistake IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 7 March, 2012 Share Posted 7 March, 2012 Wish people would get off Gulys back. Don't think he had a bad game. For all of LLanas good play he is no Matty, and i am sure if Matty would have been given as much space and chances in the first half Matty would have buried those chances. A few nice back flicks/turns etc. are great to watch, but quite often the end product, a goal is not there. Agree. We did not only get a draw because of him or because of Dan Harding who seems to be the other scapegoat. Neither of them was responsible for AL failing to score three very good opportunities and RL missing a chance identical to the one he scored with. Nor was it either of them who fell over leaving Scotland with the opportunity to loose off a shot. Not that I am having a go at either lallana, Lambert or Hoiveldt because these things happen. I thought that it was generally a good performance all over the park but we seemed to have brought some of Leeds' luck back with us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 7 March, 2012 Share Posted 7 March, 2012 And you are falling into the trap of many england fans and judging players on workrate only rather than how they influence games. What did lee do to influence the game or lallna in terms of setting up an easy chance or scoring? Serious question, were you at the game tonight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maysie Posted 7 March, 2012 Share Posted 7 March, 2012 How? Look how many goals he has scored? He set up most of our attacks first half and also set guly up for his chance second half. Won nearly everything in the air and scored with his first chance of the match. In england the fans seem to notice people who run up and down and dont influence the game directly in anyway ie ripley etc. Are you saying Lallana runs up and down and doesn't influence the game? To let you know I think Lambert is our best player along with Lallana - he's a legend, just don't think the ball stuck to him as much tonight as it has recently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 7 March, 2012 Share Posted 7 March, 2012 Serious question, were you at the game tonight? Yes of course and answer my question, there was no way in a million years lallana was our most effective player. Kelvin made a great save, rickie scored a goal so your'e not correct. Adam is a great player but missed 2 sitters and was wasteful at times tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 7 March, 2012 Share Posted 7 March, 2012 Are you saying Lallana runs up and down and doesn't influence the game? To let you know I think Lambert is our best player along with Lallana - he's a legend, just don't think the ball stuck to him as much tonight as it has recently. I meant lee but adam for me has played a lot better than tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 7 March, 2012 Share Posted 7 March, 2012 Lambert is a legend, but your love-in for him is quite frankly embarrassing. Apart from the goal was one of his poorer games tonight. We are at our most effective when both Lambert AND Lallana are on form. Well that might have been all the balls we just pumped down the channels. Thats alright for Lee who has a bit of pace but it's no use to Lambert who with the best will in the world has trouble out running a sick tortise. A few times tonight he was left chasing balls down that just isn't his game he's said himself he plays best with the ball to his feet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maysie Posted 7 March, 2012 Share Posted 7 March, 2012 Well that might have been all the balls we just pumped down the channels. Thats alright for Lee who has a bit of pace but it's no use to Lambert who with the best will in the world has trouble out running a sick tortise. A few times tonight he was left chasing balls down that just isn't his game he's said himself he plays best with the ball to his feet. Agreed. Definitely is not a ball over the top player. Just thought he maybe didn't take up some of the clever positions he has been recently. Not a criticism per se just thought he wasn't at his best today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 7 March, 2012 Share Posted 7 March, 2012 How? Look how many goals he has scored? He set up most of our attacks first half and also set guly up for his chance second half. Won nearly everything in the air and scored with his first chance of the match. In england the fans seem to notice people who run up and down and dont influence the game directly in anyway ie ripley etc. Trust me, Lambert is a legend in the making BUT he will play better games than tonight. I agree with you that quality is important, that's why I'm a Morgan man and not so much a Hammond fan (he really reminded me of jermaine wright tonight) We dropped 2 points tonight but am hopeful will pick up an extra 2 somewhere soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 7 March, 2012 Share Posted 7 March, 2012 Sorry I know Jos is the team poster boy these days but you can hardly pin the Ipswich goal on Harding (much as everyone wants to) Jos made a complete balls up of what should have been a simple job of seeing the ball out of play. That's exactly my take on it. No doubt all the blame will be heaped on Harding regardless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 7 March, 2012 Share Posted 7 March, 2012 Yes of course and answer my question, there was no way in a million years lallana was our most effective player. Kelvin made a great save, rickie scored a goal so your'e not correct. Adam is a great player but missed 2 sitters and was wasteful at times tonight. Adam's shooting was poor but he was still quality most of the time he was on the pitch. Most of our chances he was involved in. His job isn't to stop goals, it's to make them. He was involved in all the good things, he was very effective in that. Don't see why it bothers you so much really... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maysie Posted 7 March, 2012 Share Posted 7 March, 2012 I meant lee but adam for me has played a lot better than tonight. FWIW I think Lee will be a good buy, makes very intelligent runs and was very encouraged by his and Lamberts link up in the first 20 mins. Granted he faded as the game went on but I'd but that down to becoming used to the English game more than anything else. Lallana was absolute class at times in the first half at times, but should have scored. I go to Saints for entertainment and he entertains me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 7 March, 2012 Share Posted 7 March, 2012 The question mark over De-Ridder is whether he can start or is best used as an impact player, running at tired defenders late in the game seems to get the best out of him. When he starts he is never as effective as when he comes on as a sub. The Lad did good tonight though he deserves the praise. I'm not SDR's biggest fan, but he was good tonight. Would definitely have him on the bench every game. Anyone else think Richardson has been poor last month or so? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 7 March, 2012 Share Posted 7 March, 2012 FWIW I think Lee will be a good buy, makes very intelligent runs and was very encouraged by his and Lamberts link up in the first 20 mins. Granted he faded as the game went on but I'd but that down to becoming used to the English game more than anything else. Lallana was absolute class at times in the first half at times, but should have scored. I go to Saints for entertainment and he entertains me. He entertains me but winning entertains me more. No he is great to watch just not as clinical as a matt le tiss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maysie Posted 7 March, 2012 Share Posted 7 March, 2012 I'm not SDR's biggest fan, but he was good tonight. Would definitely have him on the bench every game. Anyone else think Richardson has been poor last month or so? Crossing not as good. As we play so narrow the fullbacks are key to our form. Generally if they play well so does the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 7 March, 2012 Share Posted 7 March, 2012 FWIW I think Lee will be a good buy, makes very intelligent runs and was very encouraged by his and Lamberts link up in the first 20 mins. Granted he faded as the game went on but I'd but that down to becoming used to the English game more than anything else. Lallana was absolute class at times in the first half at times, but should have scored. I go to Saints for entertainment and he entertains me. Exactly. Adam will play better as will Rickie but to say all Lee did tonight was to run around is a very very suspect statement for someone who follows the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 7 March, 2012 Share Posted 7 March, 2012 Exactly. Adam will play better as will Rickie but to say all Lee did tonight was to run around is a very very suspect statement for someone who follows the game. Ive been a season ticket holder since 86 other than one lowe year when I kept away. I thought he was okay but not a goal threat really and he is a striker, maybe a bit like brett ormerod. Maybe wrong hope im wrong, looked better than sharp though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maysie Posted 7 March, 2012 Share Posted 7 March, 2012 He entertains me but winning entertains me more. No he is great to watch just not as clinical as a matt le tiss. Agreed. Not comparing him to Le Tiss. He was one of a kind - as good as Bergkamp and Cantona. England should have built the team around him but opted for Darren Anderton and the likes instead. It's rare to find a player of Le Tiss quality... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 7 March, 2012 Share Posted 7 March, 2012 Agreed. Not comparing him to Le Tiss. He was one of a kind - as good as Bergkamp and Cantona. England should have built the team around him but opted for Darren Anderton and the likes instead. It's rare to find a player of Le Tiss quality... From 93-97 pretty much outmade and outscored cantona most years. Hes the best footballer ive seen at st marys, obv messi the best ive ever seen though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 7 March, 2012 Share Posted 7 March, 2012 Ive been a season ticket holder since 86 other than one lowe year when I kept away. I thought he was okay but not a goal threat really and he is a striker, maybe a bit like brett ormerod. Maybe wrong hope im wrong, looked better than sharp though. From what I have seen of Lee, he is technically a lot lot better than Brett ormerod! The latter has had a long career and the lack of the obligatory YouTube clip of sensational goals at the very least should mark the clear distinction between the two VERY different standard of players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 7 March, 2012 Share Posted 7 March, 2012 (edited) Anyone else think Richardson has been poor last month or so? He looked outclassed by Snodgrass last Sat (not to mention that attempted back heel in front of goal) and his passing tonight was pretty shocking. He's probably one of the fewer players who hasn't been under much pressure with regards to his postion this season as Butterfield has been injured for long peroids. Prehaps time to give Richardson a bit of a rest and give Butterfield a game or two (if he is fit)? Edited 7 March, 2012 by doddisalegend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 7 March, 2012 Share Posted 7 March, 2012 From 93-97 pretty much outmade and outscored cantona most years. Hes the best footballer ive seen at st marys, obv messi the best ive ever seen though. There things Le Tiss could do from 40 yards out that Messi couldn't dream of doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maysie Posted 7 March, 2012 Share Posted 7 March, 2012 There things Le Tiss could do from 40 yards out that Messi couldn't dream of doing. I once saw him finish a pie in two minutes. I bet Messi couldn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 7 March, 2012 Share Posted 7 March, 2012 There things Le Tiss could do from 40 yards out that Messi couldn't dream of doing. Agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brizzie Saints Posted 7 March, 2012 Share Posted 7 March, 2012 Currently 66pts Barnsley H win 69 Milwall A Draw 70 Hull A win 73 Donny H win 76 Blackppol A draw 77 Skates H WIN 80 Palace A Lose 80 Reading H draw 81 Posh A win 84 Boro A lose 84 Cov H win 87 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brizzie Saints Posted 7 March, 2012 Share Posted 7 March, 2012 From the limited exposure we get, one thing really sticks out, Gully. His goal scoring achievments have been great but he winds me up constantly. His first touch is generally poor, he doesnt tackle well, he runs around a lot and tracks back but is pretty innefective. at times he seems to give up and just wander around. Iv'e felt for a long time he's a luxury we currently cannot aford. I would rather see lee, connolly or sharp up front with ricky and Gully on the bench. I agree with others its like being down to 10 men for large parts of the game when he plays. With lee he snaps at defenders, he's quick and runs and runs. Ideally id like to see lee playing up front with ricky and BS. Anyway that is all, havent been to SMS in over 10 years so my opinions are just wot i see on tv. 3 pts please on saturday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 7 March, 2012 Share Posted 7 March, 2012 There things Le Tiss could do from 40 yards out that Messi couldn't dream of doing. [video=youtube;WAo-UKhUqmw] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintscottofthenortham Posted 7 March, 2012 Share Posted 7 March, 2012 Not as clear cut as that though dune is it? Guly was woeful tonight I thought, but at times he has been very good and scored a lot of goals. He also made the goal vs reading that could be crucial. He also cost us 2 points at Fratton Park, and countless other games During the season he may as well of took a seat on the Sideline then sauntered back on whenever he felt like it. When he can't be arsed, he makes it damn clear and it really does make my blood boil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 7 March, 2012 Share Posted 7 March, 2012 Funny performance at times brilliant other times very poor. not sure if Guly can play wide he kept going looking for the ball inside leaving Richardson exposed. Ricky looked a little leg heavy at times. Noticed on other posts people criticising Lallana which is a shame because imo without him trying things we look very ordinary going forward. Still Top 11 games to go, time for the fans at the games to hold their nerve, leave the drama queens to post on here,it was always going to go right to the final game, this is a bl*ody tough league to get out of Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brizzie Saints Posted 7 March, 2012 Share Posted 7 March, 2012 [video=youtube_share;XsMjB1kosKE]http://youtu.be/XsMjB1kosKE People used to call him lazy, but sometimes luxury players are worth there salt. The Man, The Legend, Le God. Now if we could only find another one and no its not guly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 7 March, 2012 Share Posted 7 March, 2012 Just knew we would draw this game. The game at Leeds was massively hard work. Ipswich are bang on form and you kit can't win them all. I thought we would draw this game and beat Barnsley. Which would be 13 points from the last 15. Still very very good and promotion form Reading will drop points. Their last 8 games or so are nails. If they beat us to autos they would have to continue some amazing form and the hardest grounds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dellgirl Posted 7 March, 2012 Share Posted 7 March, 2012 The Manager ought not to start with Hammond ever... he disrupts the flow of play and runs around like a headless chicken,the players look as though they don't want to pass to him. he is just not good enough . The captainship should be given to someone else before the season ends,not in the summer to be kind to him, thanks for all you have done etc. I think you will find it was him mis passing the ball,not Morgan who ran his socks off for us, they look "similar" from afar and the 4 and 14 might confuse people without 20 20 vision. Guly started well and just faded. I'm sure we will have the right 11 out on saturday and a strong bench. COYR's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ampersound Posted 7 March, 2012 Share Posted 7 March, 2012 Us fans went quiet as a whole last night from 35 mins in until rickie scored. It wasn't helped by Ipswich fans only getting involved when they scored. I do wish we can keep the noise level up for the run in regardless of how we are playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delboy Dave Posted 7 March, 2012 Share Posted 7 March, 2012 Yep, pathetic scapegoating, and makes our fanbase out to be a bunch of racist bell-ends. Please tell me your on the wind up? I can't see how a player being crap is racist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surrey1saint Posted 7 March, 2012 Share Posted 7 March, 2012 Very disappointed,feels like a loss.Guly was missing for much of the 2nd half.In fact ,I thought a lot of our team was poor last night. Got to turn this round with a good win on Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 7 March, 2012 Share Posted 7 March, 2012 Garbage lee hasnt proved he is special at all all huff for me. Lallan poor tonight, lambert mediocre? Set everything up and scored. Lee not special? I suspect that most teams in this division would consider him to be more of a handful than most rival attacking players they encounter. Not only does he have good ball skills, but he has an incredible mental attitude. If we had a team of Lees, you wouldn't have any worries about them applying themselves to their utmost. What I like about him especially, is that for the first time in ages, we have a player with pace on the halfway line when the rival team are taking corners. That ties up two of their defenders and I feel quite confident that if a ball was cleared upfield, he would have a very good chance of getting it and doing something useful with it. He also has terrific movement off the ball and gets himself in good scoring positions. He must be difficult to mark and pulls defenders all over the place. He is also unselfish, a team player and will make a pass in front of goal if he thinks there is a better scoring opportunity. Lalllana was good, but for quite some time I have felt that his shooting lacks power. I agree that Lambert was certainly not mediocre. He had an excellent game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shroppie Posted 7 March, 2012 Share Posted 7 March, 2012 After we missed the early chances that should have put us at least two up by half time, the biggest disappointment for me was that we rescued that game as it was heading for a draw but then, for the first time in ages, didn't concentrate and see it out. It really was poor defending and closing down that allowed their goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry the Badger Posted 7 March, 2012 Share Posted 7 March, 2012 The Guly bashing is really winding me up. The difference in reaction of the crowd between a Lallana mistake and a Guly mistake is mental. At one point in the second half last night we were getting hit with a counter attack, our centre midfield were nowhere to be seen, Guly sprinted from the right wing to close down the gap in the centre, and then followed that man with the ball across to the left wing (where there was also space). Ipswich then switched the ball to the other wing, where nobody had seen fit to cover for Guly, cue a load of "where the **** is Guly!" and "****ing hell Guly you lazy ****" shouts. I wonder if people are actually watching the game sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 7 March, 2012 Share Posted 7 March, 2012 Disappointed not to get the 3 points obviously,however we can't win every game. We played way to narrow for long periods and this should have been addressed earlier,hoping the full backs would bomb forward and provide the width was not practical.Again, should have made changes earlier,imo. Onwards to barnsley if we pick up 3 points i will be fairly happy with the haul from the last 3 games. If i'm honest i don't give a monkeys about West Ham,more importantly we maintain a gap to 3rd. I think a little of the tinkering with the side needs to stop on occasions,You have to pick what you think is the most beneficial not just trying to keep some of the players happy,this will prove more difficult to do the more time goes on and needs to be handled well. We have a talented squad,some players will be disappointed on ocassions so alot will depend on how they and Adkins handles this. Our fate lies in our own hands...possibly the biggest test of the season is yet to come. I'm hoping Sharp makes some impact,sooner rather than later. Looking forward to Saturday, with me and my little lad,he has been a good omen thus far,long may it continue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raging Bull Posted 7 March, 2012 Share Posted 7 March, 2012 Feels like a loss, Ipswich offered very little in attack and their final ball into the strikers was 9 out of 10 time bloody awful. Feel more annoyed at this that losing to Bristol Rovers! Guly & Lallana need shooting practice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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