patred44 Posted 6 March, 2012 Share Posted 6 March, 2012 (edited) when even off the cuff, no hope cheeky bids have to be answered by him... http://www.greenun24.co.uk/ipswich-town/paul_jewell_reflects_on_the_saints_that_got_away_1_1228900? “I spoke to Nigel (Adkins) last summer when he was in the Maldives,” said Jewell. “I asked about Lambert and one of their other players and got a phone call off Les Reed (head of football development) four or five days later saying ‘you caught us on the hop there’. They offered him a new contract and he’s gone on and done really, really well for them. Edited 6 March, 2012 by patred44 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 6 March, 2012 Share Posted 6 March, 2012 No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 6 March, 2012 Share Posted 6 March, 2012 Saints are on the verge of a second promotion in two years, whatever the transfer strategy it seems to be working extremely well. Stop being so negative! Is it not better that Reed deals with stupid bids from Ipswich rather than wasting Adkins time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Mikey Posted 6 March, 2012 Share Posted 6 March, 2012 I agree, I think Adkins should have been dealing with this sort of frivilous enquiry. Even if he wasn't on a thoroughly undeserving holiday - he's much better placed spending his time on this, rather than training the players... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 6 March, 2012 Share Posted 6 March, 2012 Sack Les Reed, that's the only answer after this damning bit of evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 6 March, 2012 Share Posted 6 March, 2012 when even off the cuff, no hope cheeky bids have to be answered by him... http://www.greenun24.co.uk/ipswich-town/paul_jewell_reflects_on_the_saints_that_got_away_1_1228900? “I spoke to Nigel (Adkins) last summer when he was in the Maldives,” said Jewell. “I asked about Lambert and one of their other players and got a phone call off Les Reed (head of football development) four or five days later saying ‘you caught us on the hop there’. They offered him a new contract and he’s gone on and done really, really well for them. Adkins doesn't sweat the small stuff, especially when he's on a beach in the Maldives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 6 March, 2012 Share Posted 6 March, 2012 I'm no Les Reed fan from his previous stints with clubs and one or two things in his coaching books (see my location), but I don't think anyone can complain about the way the whole football staff have performed in the last 18 months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 6 March, 2012 Share Posted 6 March, 2012 Adkins probably told Reed to tell Jewell to **** off! There is obviously some kind of process and communication between the two re transfer in and out for them to have a working relationship. Not sure what point this snippet of info supposedly makes!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 6 March, 2012 Share Posted 6 March, 2012 Adkins probably told Reed to tell Jewell to **** off! There is obviously some kind of process and communication between the two re transfer in and out for them to have a working relationship. Not sure what point this snippet of info supposedly makes!? The only interesting thing from this info would be the identity of "one of their other players",think we knew about the Ipswich bid for Lambert,just as we knew what the outcome would be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 6 March, 2012 Share Posted 6 March, 2012 Unless there is evidence (and I haven't seen any) that Reed is forcing Nigel to take players he doesn't want or sell players he wants to keep then I'm not really bothered TBH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonraker Posted 6 March, 2012 Share Posted 6 March, 2012 The simple answer to the OP is NO, Nige's job is to manage a succesful First Team and to ensure that all other activities within the club are focused on making his life as easy as possible. All he had to do in this instance was say NO and leave it to others to communicate the Clubs position. Jewells statment is about him not Saints, he is saying I am trying my best, I knew RL would succeed in this league even before he kicked a ball and therefore I am football visonary and it isnt my fault Ipswich are not in the top 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 6 March, 2012 Share Posted 6 March, 2012 The only interesting thing from this info would be the identity of "one of their other players",think we knew about the Ipswich bid for Lambert,just as we knew what the outcome would be. If he's crazy enough to think that he could get Lambert, the other was probably AL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Diamond Posted 6 March, 2012 Share Posted 6 March, 2012 Think post 2 summed it up well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 6 March, 2012 Share Posted 6 March, 2012 i think Les Reed would certainly have too much influence if we had a different type of manager ( aka Pardew) Adkins clearly doesn't mind sharing responsibilites and having potential interference from other departments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 6 March, 2012 Share Posted 6 March, 2012 i think Les Reed would certainly have too much influence if we had a different type of manager ( aka Pardew) Adkins clearly doesn't mind sharing responsibilites and having potential interference from other departments. Yea clearly........you managed to get all that from Paul Jewell saying that Reed called him about Lambert? You must be some sort of visionary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paris Posted 6 March, 2012 Share Posted 6 March, 2012 The let's find a problem thread.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 6 March, 2012 Share Posted 6 March, 2012 Frankly, he was fortunate to have the enquiry dignified with a response. Shows class on our part that he got one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 6 March, 2012 Share Posted 6 March, 2012 Yea clearly........you managed to get all that from Paul Jewell saying that Reed called him about Lambert? You must be some sort of visionary. Not at all, it was mentioned when Pardew left that those who knew some of the politics of the training ground that Reed and Pardew were not seeing eye to eye. Clearly they have to work closely together in such roles, but who holds the trump card? does Adkins follow Reed's suggestions ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 6 March, 2012 Share Posted 6 March, 2012 does Adkins follow Reed's suggestions ? There is always a possibility that they have managed to forge a harmonious working relationship, one that allows Reed to do his job and compliment Nigel Adkins' requirements and duties perfectly. If there is instability at the top it would filter through to the players..... and I see a squad totally united in purpose and spirit right now. Any suggestion of problems with our management structure seem daft to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
once_bitterne Posted 6 March, 2012 Share Posted 6 March, 2012 Saints are on the verge of a second promotion in two years, whatever the transfer strategy it seems to be working extremely well. Stop being so negative! Is it not better that Reed deals with stupid bids from Ipswich rather than wasting Adkins time? Pat's from a bygone era where only the manager can be involved with transfer dealings. The world of football has moved on since then, even if Pat hasn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 6 March, 2012 Share Posted 6 March, 2012 Frankly, he was fortunate to have the enquiry dignified with a response. Shows class on our part that he got one. Who? Patred44 or Jewell? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 6 March, 2012 Share Posted 6 March, 2012 There is always a possibility that they have managed to forge a harmonious working relationship, one that allows Reed to do his job and compliment Nigel Adkins' requirements and duties perfectly. If there is instability at the top it would filter through to the players..... and I see a squad totally united in purpose and spirit right now. Any suggestion of problems with our management structure seem daft to me. i agree, just saying what is Reed's job and where do his responsibilities overlap with Adkins? all the signs are they are a very good partnership so far. One of the things i like about Adkins is he isn't one of those big egos who seems to need to throw his weight around, just good positive leadership of the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 6 March, 2012 Share Posted 6 March, 2012 Who? Patred44 or Jewell? Haha, Now now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 6 March, 2012 Share Posted 6 March, 2012 Pat's from a bygone era where only the manager can be involved with transfer dealings. The world of football has moved on since then, even if Pat hasn't. What like Brian Clough and Peter Taylor going round to Dave Mackay's house on a Sunday morning to sound him out about signing for Derby,even if Sunday morning tapping up was banned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 6 March, 2012 Share Posted 6 March, 2012 Not at all, it was mentioned when Pardew left that those who knew some of the politics of the training ground that Reed and Pardew were not seeing eye to eye. Clearly they have to work closely together in such roles, but who holds the trump card? does Adkins follow Reed's suggestions ? Who suggested the likes of Hooper and Sharp in the last transfer window? Reed or Adkins who has a history and relationship with both players in the past? There is probably instances of players being suggested to NA but I think this is commonplace in a lot of modern day set ups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
once_bitterne Posted 6 March, 2012 Share Posted 6 March, 2012 What like Brian Clough and Peter Taylor going round to Dave Mackay's house on a Sunday morning to sound him out about signing for Derby,even if Sunday morning tapping up was banned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 6 March, 2012 Share Posted 6 March, 2012 i think Les Reed would certainly have too much influence if we had a different type of manager ( aka Pardew) Adkins clearly doesn't mind sharing responsibilites and having potential interference from other departments. please, tell us how on god earth you have come up with that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 6 March, 2012 Share Posted 6 March, 2012 when even off the cuff, no hope cheeky bids have to be answered by him... http://www.greenun24.co.uk/ipswich-town/paul_jewell_reflects_on_the_saints_that_got_away_1_1228900? “I spoke to Nigel (Adkins) last summer when he was in the Maldives,” said Jewell. “I asked about Lambert and one of their other players and got a phone call off Les Reed (head of football development) four or five days later saying ‘you caught us on the hop there’. They offered him a new contract and he’s gone on and done really, really well for them. Is it just me that finds this quote doesn't make sense? And not in the "what a stupid/pointless bid" from Jewell sort of way. "Caught us on the hop there" - why would he say that in such circumstances? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 6 March, 2012 Share Posted 6 March, 2012 I'm surprised Adkins didn't resign over this. I've no doubt he wanted to tell Jewell to **** off and that Read is interfering by telling him to **** off first. Telling another club to **** off when they make a bid for your top players is most certainly the Managers job. Could you see SAF accepting anyone else telling Swansea to **** off if they bid for Wayne Rooney. Adkins needs to grow a pair and tell Read " I do the **** offing round here". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted 6 March, 2012 Share Posted 6 March, 2012 I think the OP has a point it shows that the club is a castle built on sand. Surely if we had a fanontheboard it would stop this sort of thing happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 6 March, 2012 Share Posted 6 March, 2012 please, tell us how on god earth you have come up with that... It's an interpretation of the situation, same as what we're all doing. Same way you can see Adkins is much better at working with NC then Pardew was, can't imagine anyone would disagree with that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wild-saint Posted 6 March, 2012 Share Posted 6 March, 2012 There is always a possibility that they have managed to forge a harmonious working relationship, one that allows Reed to do his job and compliment Nigel Adkins' requirements and duties perfectly. If there is instability at the top it would filter through to the players..... and I see a squad totally united in purpose and spirit right now. Any suggestion of problems with our management structure seem daft to me. Indeed, in any other comany its called a senior managment team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 6 March, 2012 Share Posted 6 March, 2012 I'm surprised Adkins didn't resign over this. I've no doubt he wanted to tell Jewell to **** off and that Read is interfering by telling him to **** off first. Telling another club to **** off when they make a bid for your top players is most certainly the Managers job. Could you see SAF accepting anyone else telling Swansea to **** off if they bid for Wayne Rooney. Adkins needs to grow a pair and tell Read " I do the **** offing round here". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 6 March, 2012 Share Posted 6 March, 2012 Is it just me that finds this quote doesn't make sense? And not in the "what a stupid/pointless bid" from Jewell sort of way. "Caught us on the hop there" - why would he say that in such circumstances? I would imagine because the phrase means "being unprepared" which is what Saints were, what with the manager being on holiday and them taking a few days to get back to him. I should think that usually there are pretty abrupt and swift responses to that sort of enquiry about a team's leading scorer. Given that Lambert had never played at this level at the time you can see why Jewell would have thought a bid could be good business, he wasn't to know Lambert was integral to our plans, and it might have been possible that we were looking to replace him. I know I wouldn't have posted up that thing I did pre-season about Lambert being removed from the away kit advert at short notice in the current situation, he's at least worth a gamble if we get to the Prem, even if we sign another striker or two. There was some doubt that Lambert and Barnard would be a decent Championship partnership, and half of that was right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 6 March, 2012 Share Posted 6 March, 2012 When I went to a fans forum years ago...well it would have to be...I remember one manager going on about the number of calls he was getting from agents, scouts etc and stopping him from doing his job. Think having somone to weedle out the interesting ones from the chaff is a good idea and let Nigel get on with the important stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 6 March, 2012 Share Posted 6 March, 2012 I would imagine because the phrase means "being unprepared" which is what Saints were, what with the manager being on holiday and them taking a few days to get back to him. I should think that usually there are pretty abrupt and swift responses to that sort of enquiry about a team's leading scorer. Given that Lambert had never played at this level at the time you can see why Jewell would have thought a bid could be good business, he wasn't to know Lambert was integral to our plans, and it might have been possible that we were looking to replace him. I know I wouldn't have posted up that thing I did pre-season about Lambert being removed from the away kit advert at short notice in the current situation, he's at least worth a gamble if we get to the Prem, even if we sign another striker or two. There was some doubt that Lambert and Barnard would be a decent Championship partnership, and half of that was right. Not going to get caught up in a long, drawn out argument on the semantics of what being "caught on the hop" means, I'd take it to mean being caught out a bit. Why would need to be prepared to say "no thanks" for an offer for our most integral player? Why wouldn't Jewell assume that the player who had a ridiculously good goal scoring record for us for the last two seasons, plus being one of, if not the best, player in our side for those two seasons, be integral to our plans for this season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 6 March, 2012 Share Posted 6 March, 2012 I can't actually believe this thread has made it this far. No workforce is 100% happy, but amongst the staff and players at SFC right now, it certainly seems about as 'together as one' as we've ever known it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paris Posted 6 March, 2012 Share Posted 6 March, 2012 @ Murty Yes but * some must find a problem don't you understand ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guan 2.0 Posted 6 March, 2012 Share Posted 6 March, 2012 Can I join in with the crazy conspiracy thread with my own insane counter-conspiracy? This thread porves that certain people are against the club, as stated by cortese in this clip Link I reckon it's the OP, Macmenemy, Andrew-strode Gibbons and Sturomseysaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patred44 Posted 6 March, 2012 Author Share Posted 6 March, 2012 I may be old fashioned, but why take 5 days and a consultation with Reed to say go fooke yourself ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 6 March, 2012 Share Posted 6 March, 2012 I may be old fashioned, but why take 5 days and a consultation with Reed to say go fooke yourself ??? maybe they thought about it...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 6 March, 2012 Share Posted 6 March, 2012 I think the OP has a point it shows that the club is a castle built on sand. Surely if we had a fanontheboard it would stop this sort of thing happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsk Posted 6 March, 2012 Share Posted 6 March, 2012 I may be old fashioned, but why take 5 days and a consultation with Reed to say go fooke yourself ??? Maybe Adkins told Jewell to fooke off there and then which Reed followed up on later? Maybe Adkins couldnt stop laughing long enough to tell Jewell to fooke off at the time? Maybe Adkins played Jewell along a bit (in a cheeky Scouser kind of way - they used to go to school together) and when he returned from holiday (some 5 days or so later) told Reed to put Jewell out of his misery? There are many possible scenarios which would not mean Adkins is Reeds lap-dog. No story here, move along please!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 6 March, 2012 Share Posted 6 March, 2012 I may be old fashioned, but why take 5 days and a consultation with Reed to say go fooke yourself ??? Is that you in your avatar ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 6 March, 2012 Share Posted 6 March, 2012 patred, you seem to have a bit of an agenda. For what it is worth, there was something to the o'Neil links you gave (From the man himself) but we are doing incredibly well (Even with tonights result) so if Reed is having any influence, it can only be a positive one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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