Chaplow and Cork

[toe_punt]

I thought that Chaplow and Cork were terrible today. I lost count of how many balls they gave away to Leeds players. Admittedly, the rest of the team were not a whole lot better, but I thought these two stood out in a "very very" (thanks Nige) bad way.

 

I know "it's all about winning games of football", but Leeds are not a great side, and to give away possession so cheaply is a bad sign.

[stkev7]

I thought Chaplow was poor first half but thought he had a superb 2nd half.

 

It wasn't Cork's best game today.

[miserableoldgit]

I have to say that I thought that JC was particularly bad in the first half. Far too slow and gave the ball away too often.

[dubai_phil]

Think you are looking in the wrong place.

 

Putting JP on the left at the start was the source of all our problems, he looked like a fish out of water. NA changed it after 20 mins to switch JP that left Cork & Morgan being swamped.

 

Bringing Hammnd on helped to settle us but Cork was then out of position on the right, sometines left as he & Chappers tried to switch play around.

 

End of the day we do NOT have cover at LM for AL.

 

We got out of Jail today

[Saint Garrett]

Puncheon and Cork were pretty bad tonight. We improved once Hammond got the ball but credit to Leeds, they didn't give us any time whatsoever on the ball, but we did what we needed to do.

[CFSFC]

Who cares. We won.

[simondo]

and of course it was JC's cross that lead to the goal

tbf neither of them were stand out bad in a below par team performance really

[saintmatt]

Chaplow - still not back to full fitness, imo

Cork - everyone's entitled to a bad day at the office, imo

 

HTH

[Saintandy666]

Everyone was a bit crap, but I'd probably pick out Cork, and then Guly when he came on as the worst. And I am a big fan of Guly so it pains me to say that.

[beatlesaint]

Everyone was a bit crap, but I'd probably pick out Cork, and then Guly when he came on as the worst. And I am a big fan of Guly so it pains me to say that.

 

Nobody was quite as bad as Puncheon IMHO.

 

Chaplow had a good second half in relation to the way everybody played tonight.

 

Still, who cares, 3 points, blue line, we move on etc etc

[St Chalet]

Didn't think it was Puncheon's best game today. That said, he is great cover in this league.

 

As above, not pretty, we won, we move on.

[ART]

Anyone following Chappie on Twitter will not be surprised at how badly he played today. I can't believe a first team player could have been out till late in London and even tweeting earlier before the game. I thought a professional would have had his entire concentration on the game, of getting into the right frame of mind. Hopefully he'll have made that observation himself and he'll get back into the form we know and love and so want to see.

[Saintandy666]

Nobody was quite as bad as Puncheon IMHO.

 

Chaplow had a good second half in relation to the way everybody played tonight.

 

Still, who cares, 3 points, blue line, we move on etc etc

 

Exactly. You can't always win beautiful. The best teams still win when they have a crap game and that is what today was.

[the saint in winchester]

I thought Chaplow was poor first half but thought he had a superb 2nd half.

 

It wasn't Cork's best game today.

 

Corky tweeted after the game acknowledging he had a poor game. Yeah, blue line time. Next up : Ipswich on Tuesday.

[BadgerBadger]

Isn't it great when we still win with players not at their best - thought Corky and Chaplow did alright though

[Smirking_Saint]

Cork had a poor game and chappers still looks like he is lacking march practice but there you go, champions do that and get away with it

[Viking Warrior]

So did puncheon tweet he was poor but Leeds also didn't allow us to play but hey we won

[saint_ed]

Very harsh on Chaplow, I didn't see him as being any worse that the rest of the midfield (not incl Schneiderlin). Considering Chaplow has been out injured for so long his work rate was immense and was the only one consistently closing down the Leeds midfield and defence in the second half when Rickie was dead on his feet.

[mitch01]

Cork was shocking, that pass he misplaced just before half-time was appalling.

[Toadhall Saint]

Thought cork had an off day. Chaplow got better as the game wore on.

[FreemantleSaint]

Anyone following Chappie on Twitter will not be surprised at how badly he played today. I can't believe a first team player could have been out till late in London and even tweeting earlier before the game. I thought a professional would have had his entire concentration on the game, of getting into the right frame of mind. Hopefully he'll have made that observation himself and he'll get back into the form we know and love and so want to see.

 

He was out in London on Friday night? Or earlier in the week?

[Surrey Saint]

He was out in London on Friday night? Or earlier in the week?

 

He tweeted from a tube train Thursday night.

Hardly think having a bit of a social life two days before a game is a big deal. He played no worse than most last night; arguably better than most in fact.

[Gemmel]

Ha ha unlike Art to overreact.

 

Chaplow took his son to see a west end play....... Not quite a night on to the town is it?

 

That said he was poor, but can't see the link between that nad him watching a musical

[pimpin4rizeal]

starting to think cork s way overrated.

takes too long on the ball doesnt tackle is too lightweight and not really creative either.

what does he actually do well?

[Saint Garrett]

I just don't think Cork and Schneiderlin compliment eachother very well. I said it at the start of the season that IMO it has to be one of Cork/Schneiderlin and with Hammond/Chaplow. But now Chaplow hasn't played all season in the middle of the park, I'd still say Hammond is vital to how we play.

Edited 4 March, 2012 by Saint Garrett

[Lord Duckhunter]

I think Cork's been off his game for a couple of months now, he's been a bit inconsistant. Chaplow is still getting back from an injury, he'll need time to get back to what he was.

[Viking Warrior]

Why do we have supporters who week in week out look for fault in our players . We got a win yesterday Leeds played very well we had some players that didn't play as well as normal . Maybe Warnock had done his work on stifling our midfield . But we still win get over the moans guys

[Saint Garrett]

It's not a 'moan' as such, its just places to improve, and I am sure Adkins is always looking at ways in which we can improve ? 'We want to be the best we can be'

[Chez]

Puncheon, Cork, Chaplow, Richardson, Fox, even Ricky all weren't great. But I thought Fonte was particularly poor. His distribution has been woeful for three or four games now, but I'm not sure you are allowed to criticise him. All that matters is the under performing players bounce back on Tuesday because if we play like that from now on in we won't get away with it like we did yesterday. I'm sure we will.

[Leicestersaint]

I thought Chaplow had a much better second half.

 

I was very disappointed in the first half at how often many of our players just gave the ball away with poor passes to the opposition - Fox and Richardson being as guilty of this as the midfield.

[kpturner]

I think we may get a reality check against Ipswich if we play like that again.

[OfnPanad]

We're a different team at home. Hopefully - as I'm getting a coach from Barnsley at 1:05am to make it down to Southampton so I can 'work remotely' during the day and see the match in the eve

 

Guly....jeez....typical headless chicken and lucky not to be sent off. Delivered a 'clearance' to the edge of the box....right-wing is the only position he can play well and to be honest I'd rather have De Ridder there. Its a shame Holmes is out on loan as I think he deserves a start if we need a left winger. As things are why not play Harding in front of Fox? He's got a great left foot and Adkins seems determined to bring him on in every game at some point!

 

Am I the only one who thought it a bit of a statement about Sharp that Lee was preferred to him, even knowing he'd only make half the match...and then Lee was replaced with Guly? I prefer Lee anyway for his energy, but you'd think under the circumstances Sharp would get a nod.

 

Agree with the comments above about Cork. He has talent but he just never seems to know what to do, where to play...he gets caught out while he's trying to make his mind up. I think Nigel should tell him just to sit in front of the back 4 and stay there.

 

Great performance from Kelvin but we'll have to get playing now as I think we used up a season's worth of luck yesterday!

[SNSUN]

Chaplow was terrible in the first half on the right, but I actually thought he improved on the left and in the second half. In the first half it looked as if he'd never passed a ball in his life - in the second half he did seem to want to get forward on the odd occassion we actually did. I'm a big fan of Chaplow's, a useful attacking player that can play across the middle. He'll have a big part to play in our run in.

[Chez]

Chaplow was terrible in the first half on the right, but I actually thought he improved on the left and in the second half.

maybe, but when he dribbles across the middle and caught in possession he killed us and we were extremely luck to get away with it. I don't want to see him dribbling with the ball in a central area ever.

[SNSUN]

maybe, but when he dribbles across the middle and caught in possession he killed us and we were extremely luck to get away with it. I don't want to see him dribbling with the ball in a central area ever.

 

Based on his passing skills in the first half, I'd rather he dribbled it than pass it! It was an off game for so many of the players - I think they'll all raise their game on Tuesday. With a bit of squad depth that we have now, they need to start worrying about their positions.

[The9]

Everyone was a bit crap, but I'd probably pick out Cork, and then Guly when he came on as the worst. And I am a big fan of Guly so it pains me to say that.

 

Guly was pretty good in terms of workrate - we didn't have much ball in attack but he chased everything down and didn't allow Leeds the chance to launch measured balls into the box, which was exactly what was needed at that point.

 

I'm not going to bother having a pop at Cork, he crossed the ball for Lee's knock down for the goal, after all.

 

Cork has some games when he just doesn't show, but I'm not sure this was one of them, and he's always going to struggle with anything over 5 yards on the deck because his kicking technique is, well, weird. He's probably better in tight areas under pressure than in space with time, too much thinking time and not enough instinct maybe.

Edited 4 March, 2012 by The9

[Saint Garrett]

Seen Guly play far worse away from home!!

[shurlock]

Chaplow had a very poor first half -was anonymous for the first 20 mins and provided Richardson little cover. Was happier when Puncheon went to the right -and that's not saying a great deal given his performance. Chaplow had a better 2nd half, especially as his engine allowed us to break, though he put us in a mess with a few woeful passes.

 

Cork was off the pace -Clayton was excellent for them in the middle (the ref let a lot slide and we didn't match their aggression). Still from struggling during our dodgy patch, Cork has looked much better in recent weeks and come close to MOTM. Like quite a few of our players, he tends to fire when the rest of the team is firing. Only Morgan looks capable atm of influencing games - independent of how others are perfming.

 

Guly did well when he came on. Closed down and tracked back, though I wish he stood players up rather than attempt too many tackles.

[Avenue Saint]

Chaplow didn't look entirely match fit.

 

As for Cork, he's had better games.

 

No more than that really. They will come good again.

[saintbob40]

All I can say having read these posts is thank god it's NA who picks the team as the playstation generation on this forum appear to want instant gratification at all times. Cork and Morgan haven't lost a game when paried together in the middle this year (possibly 2011 as well if anyone has the patience to check).

 

The whole team looked nervous as hell at Leeds and there were missed placed passes everywhere. Everyone needs to keep calm and carry on......

[Chez]

Cork and Morgan haven't lost a game when paried together in the middle this year (possibly 2011 as well if anyone has the patience to check).

 

with that midfield pairing we lost to Bristol City at home 30th Dec, and to Cardiff, oh and Palace in the cup. The Donny and Leicester defeats had Morgan/Cork at right midfield, and Bristol away Morgan came on after 7 minutes and played right midfield I think.

[Thedelldays]

with that midfield pairing we lost to Bristol City at home 30th Dec, and to Cardiff, oh and Palace in the cup. The Donny and Leicester defeats had Morgan/Cork at right midfield, and Bristol away Morgan came on after 7 minutes and played right midfield I think.

so, not this year then....?

[Sour Mash]

with that midfield pairing we lost to Bristol City at home 30th Dec, and to Cardiff, oh and Palace in the cup. The Donny and Leicester defeats had Morgan/Cork at right midfield, and Bristol away Morgan came on after 7 minutes and played right midfield I think.

That wasn't the midfield pairing against Palace in the cup.

 

I think Cork should probably be rested for Hammond tomorrow night, but Cork/Schneirderlin is our best centre-mid partnership.

[Lets B Avenue]

Cork played centre-half at Palace.

[Chez]

so, not this year then....?

yep, not this year, but I'm not sure what difference that particular Cork/Morgan stat makes as it is far more to do with the side a a whole than just those two ahead of Hammond. As Saturday showed it not simply about who plays centre midfield that determines whether we win or lose. Besides there was idiots on here suggesting we were better off without Morgan as we won more games without him than with. Stats can be twisted any way you want. I personally think Cork/Morgan is the best pairing, but not by much. I thought Hammond might not be quick enough across the ground at this level but he has had a decent season too to date, despite not making the starting 11 recently.

[Chez]

Cork played centre-half at Palace.

of course he did. Scrub that one then. To be fair we haven't lost all that many with Hammond either.

[Matty's Caddy]

Think you'll all agree man u won ugly yesterday, certainly not at their best yet still ground out the result, that's why they're champions

[Sour Mash]

Think you'll all agree man u won ugly yesterday' date=' certainly not at their best yet still ground out the result, that's why they're champions[/quote'] Wasn't quite the same was it?

[Smirking_Saint]

Not 100% convinced cork is a proper CM tbh, he is too inconsistant atm, when he plays well he is very good but too often his passing is poor

[Genk]

Not 100% convinced cork is a proper CM tbh, he is too inconsistant atm, when he plays well he is very good but too often his passing is poor

 

He is a quality CM, breaks the play up ever so well. Positioning is excellent and I don't agree about his passing, I think it is good. Yes he had a poor game against Leeds, but he has been fantastic all season for us. His only weakness is lacking on the goals, but they will come.