Thedelldays Posted 6 November, 2008 Share Posted 6 November, 2008 (edited) http://www.thisisplymouth.co.uk/news/Women-serve-navy-submarines/article-453808-detail/article.html the most operational arm of the navy (bar the marines) will die of death SHOULD this in the 2020's shame shame shame.... luckily for me, should I stay in... my full term would have been completed by then... Edited 6 November, 2008 by Thedelldays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CabbageFace Posted 6 November, 2008 Share Posted 6 November, 2008 Surely you would prefer to have women on board so you dont have to sex up the men on board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 6 November, 2008 Share Posted 6 November, 2008 I agree with the problems created with living conditions, but what would be wrong with an all-female sub. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesaint sfc Posted 6 November, 2008 Share Posted 6 November, 2008 I agree with the problems created with living conditions, but what would be wrong with an all-female sub. Pink submarines are easier to see and women are rubbish at reversing. We have other forces which didn't used to have women in and now do and for as far as I'm concerned they're still just as good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 6 November, 2008 Author Share Posted 6 November, 2008 Pink submarines are easier to see and women are rubbish at reversing. We have other forces which didn't used to have women in and now do and for as far as I'm concerned they're still just as good. what the hell do you know?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesaint sfc Posted 6 November, 2008 Share Posted 6 November, 2008 what the hell do you know?? What's the point of sharing your opinion on a forum if you don't want to know other peoples opinions? Women have contributed to improving forces world wide adding different skills, as do people of different nationalities etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 6 November, 2008 Author Share Posted 6 November, 2008 What's the point of sharing your opinion on a forum if you don't want to know other peoples opinions? Women have contributed to improving forces world wide adding different skills, as do people of different nationalities etc. lol so, you have no idea if women have done or doing as good a job in the forces... I have my opinion based on fact...and It is different from yours let me tell you...im sure Hacienda knows what I am on about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesaint sfc Posted 6 November, 2008 Share Posted 6 November, 2008 lol....it's fairly obvious your opinion is different from mine isn't it? I'm sure people who work in the armed forces do feel differently about it. Basically you feel superior at the moment as you have a job only men do at the moment, and women are about to **** all over your party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopGun Posted 6 November, 2008 Share Posted 6 November, 2008 lol so, you have no idea if women have done or doing as good a job in the forces... I have my opinion based on fact...and It is different from yours let me tell you...im sure Hacienda knows what I am on about My best friend is a Lt Cmdr and he reckons that the women ratings are twice as efficient as the blokes generally. Put that in your misogynist pipe and share it with your ship mates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 6 November, 2008 Author Share Posted 6 November, 2008 lol....it's fairly obvious your opinion is different from mine isn't it? I'm sure people who work in the armed forces do feel differently about it. Basically you feel superior at the moment as you have a job only men do at the moment, and women are about to **** all over your party. errm...i have spent time on ships too and that is a joke...a complete joke and people who have served on ships that were/are all male will tell you the difference in professionalism and fighting ability... I was involved in a presentation very recently about the promotion of "Fighting Spirit and Ethos" within the Royal navy...and it is widely accepted at MOD level that 2 of the top 5 elements within the forces as a whole that posses the most fighting spirit, or should I say a "can do attitude" are infact the Royal Marines and the Submarine Service....guess what the common factor is here and is acknoweldged as to why??? NO WOMEN....only 1 of the top 5 elements listed had any women working within it at all... of course this would never be made public or official but it is true.... Like I said...should this come in...even if I did my full alloted time I wuld have left before a female steps foot on a boat to serve.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 6 November, 2008 Author Share Posted 6 November, 2008 My best friend is a Lt Cmdr and he reckons that the women ratings are twice as efficient as the blokes generally. Put that in your misogynist pipe and share it with your ship mates. oh, because a Lt Cdr says so...that is that then....:smt069 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesaint sfc Posted 6 November, 2008 Share Posted 6 November, 2008 If it's proved that they are inferior - why are they introducing them? Your facts are wrong. I appreciate you're in a better position to me to see the effects that women will have - however I feel looking at it from a responsible, open minded position all disadvantages are outweighed by advantages. It's like when people say 'what can women do that men can't?' Women have now proved that they are capable of doing anything men do. I disagree with it as I feel that women should be treated more respectfully and not put in a position where they should be involved in wars at that level - however that's more of a moral value than a factual opinion. Women deserve all the same chances as men if they wish. It was up to them to prove themselves which they have done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopGun Posted 6 November, 2008 Share Posted 6 November, 2008 (edited) oh, because a Lt Cdr says so...that is that then....:smt069 Funnily enough he's got to the rank he's at which is higher than yours matey! But I expect you think he's a jumped up muppet because he's an officer! Ergo believe TDD on the navy rather than anyone else! Edited 6 November, 2008 by TopGun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 6 November, 2008 Author Share Posted 6 November, 2008 Funnily enough he's got to the rank he's at which is higher than yours matey! But I expect you think he's a jumped up muppet because he's an officer! how the hell do you know what I am...or what I do or the work I have just done to make HIM more qualified than me in what I am saying?? you simply dont... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Martini Posted 6 November, 2008 Share Posted 6 November, 2008 lol so, you have no idea if women have done or doing as good a job in the forces... I have my opinion based on fact...and It is different from yours let me tell you...im sure Hacienda knows what I am on about Facts or observations? If you have facts why don't you share them with us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopGun Posted 6 November, 2008 Share Posted 6 November, 2008 how the hell do you know what I am...or what I do or the work I have just done to make HIM more qualified than me in what I am saying?? you simply dont... You have mentioned your rank before actually when you were talking about a possible transfer to London... Why are you more qualified to talk about women in the Navy than my officer friend is? You don't know what he does either. Your original point is in keeping with the usual stuff you spout on the lounge though! So full marks for consistency... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Posted 6 November, 2008 Share Posted 6 November, 2008 http://www.thisisplymouth.co.uk/news/Women-serve-navy-submarines/article-453808-detail/article.html the most operational arm of the navy (bar the marines) will die of death SHOULD this in the 2020's shame shame shame.... luckily for me, should I stay in... my full term would have been completed by then... When you say 'operational', what proportion of the Trident fleet is actually afloat (or at least able to sink without dire consequences) at any one time? I was under the impression a number of the subs were undergoing endless 'refits'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopGun Posted 6 November, 2008 Share Posted 6 November, 2008 When you say 'operational', what proportion of the Trident fleet is actually afloat (or at least able to sink without dire consequences) at any one time? I was under the impression a number of the subs were undergoing endless 'refits'. TDD will tell you he's not part of the bombers. He's on the SSNs. How do I know this as he hasn't told us all before what he does? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 6 November, 2008 Share Posted 6 November, 2008 I don't see why women are allowed on ships, but not subs. I know on some US subs there are less bunks than seamen, is that the case here? I can understand if men and women were forced to share and swap quaters, it might create ethical issues, or is this rule simply because excess fornication is bad for moral? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 6 November, 2008 Author Share Posted 6 November, 2008 When you say 'operational', what proportion of the Trident fleet is actually afloat (or at least able to sink without dire consequences) at any one time? I was under the impression a number of the subs were undergoing endless 'refits'. not at liberty to say...also, there are more then trident subs... there is always at least one trident sub ready to launch covering 365 days a year.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hacienda Posted 6 November, 2008 Share Posted 6 November, 2008 Women are fine on surface vessels, that they've proven that over time, although there are still some issues. However, the issues that do still exist would only be amplified onboard a sub'. Can they do the job? Yes. Should they be given the opportunity? Probably not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopGun Posted 6 November, 2008 Share Posted 6 November, 2008 not at liberty to say...also, there are more then trident subs... there is always at least one trident sub ready to launch covering 365 days a year.. Hilarious. You can log on to the RN site to find out which of SSBNs are in port in Scotland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 6 November, 2008 Author Share Posted 6 November, 2008 (edited) Hilarious. You can log on to the RN site to find out which of SSBNs are in port in Scotland. well do so then....forgive me if i wish to not to go on about it here... that is of course..if it is accurate 100% edit....im not sure you can find out which sub is alongside where..?? Edited 6 November, 2008 by Thedelldays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Posted 6 November, 2008 Share Posted 6 November, 2008 Women are fine on surface vessels, that they've proven that over time, although there are still some issues. However, the issues that do still exist would only be amplified onboard a sub'. Can they do the job? Yes. Should they be given the opportunity? Probably not. Still, you could look on the bright side. Knowing the navy, they'll give the women the most stereotypical jobs. So what's the betting against the first ones ending up in the galleys? My brother was a cook on one of the nuclear-powered subs that disappeared for months (presumably pootling up and down Dogger Bank), and he happily assured me his cooking was about as bad as it got. Also one of the worst jobs to have in those conditions. So maybe you'll get better burgers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesaint sfc Posted 6 November, 2008 Share Posted 6 November, 2008 Women are fine on surface vessels, that they've proven that over time, although there are still some issues. However, the issues that do still exist would only be amplified onboard a sub'. Can they do the job? Yes. Should they be given the opportunity? Probably not. point a - What issues? point b - Why? Educate us please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopGun Posted 6 November, 2008 Share Posted 6 November, 2008 well do so then....forgive me if i wish to not to go on about it here... that is of course..if it is accurate 100% Right... scheduled refits and rotations are all a ruse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 6 November, 2008 Author Share Posted 6 November, 2008 Right... scheduled refits and rotations are all a ruse. ok..where can you see what particular subs are where then?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesaint sfc Posted 6 November, 2008 Share Posted 6 November, 2008 Ummmmmmmm is this not going a bit off topic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 6 November, 2008 Author Share Posted 6 November, 2008 Ummmmmmmm is this not going a bit off topic? no..it is called a topic developing and discussing issues related to it.. then of course..i am not a power crazed MOD..:smt041 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesaint sfc Posted 6 November, 2008 Share Posted 6 November, 2008 Neither am I^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopGun Posted 6 November, 2008 Share Posted 6 November, 2008 (edited) ok..where can you see what particular subs are where then?? You only have to work through public domain documents to find out which SSBNs are due for refit and rotation. Given there are only four of them you don't have to be Einstein to work out which one is on active patrol. The point you should be making is that we don't know where that particular one is right now. For example from the News section of Vigilant http://www.royal-navy.mod.uk/server/show/ConWebDoc.13943 Entered Plymouth 13 October for major refit and nuclear refuelling. Edited 6 November, 2008 by TopGun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 6 November, 2008 Share Posted 6 November, 2008 or is this rule simply because excess faunication is bad for moral? :smt017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 6 November, 2008 Share Posted 6 November, 2008 I say give them a go. Can't be any worse than some of the numpty sailors that serve on board Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Posted 6 November, 2008 Share Posted 6 November, 2008 I say give them a go. Can't be any worse than some of the numpty sailors that serve on board I hope no one from the navy catches you saying that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CabbageFace Posted 6 November, 2008 Share Posted 6 November, 2008 This further adds to the speculation that all submariners are raving homo's as they dont want women on board. Mincetastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyFartPants Posted 6 November, 2008 Share Posted 6 November, 2008 There are very good reasons for women not being directly involved with the front line to be honest, and it isn't about the woman's performance, but of the men they are among. It becomes harder to focus on a job in hand when you can see/hear/smell a split arse in the local area. Couple this with a split arse in pain and men do not act in the same way as they would if a fellow male soldier was downed. That said, they need to empty their sacks in something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 6 November, 2008 Share Posted 6 November, 2008 (edited) .......................... Edited 7 December, 2008 by Viking Warrior Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyFartPants Posted 6 November, 2008 Share Posted 6 November, 2008 Im with Dell days on this, yes there are jobs women can do equally well which ever arm of the services your employed in. There are some that women are not suited to even if they had undergone a prolonged course of steroid treatment. You never get frontline female paras / marines /sas and the same can be said about subbies. They are a special breed and have in the past worked and played hockey with them for a few years when I was based down in plymouth, By the way I am pongo. (TA now) Oh by the way yes a woman went thru marine training to prove a point. she had lots of attempts to do it, something males were not afforded. Did she make the real marines no , she became office bound. So definately no woman on subs. that is purely a male environment. but no doubt the PC brigade will get their way. And cue the lawyers when the first one makes an allegation about living conditions, male humour and body smells being couped up in a boat for many moths. What did the moths get out of this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesaint sfc Posted 6 November, 2008 Share Posted 6 November, 2008 What did the moths get out of this? Equal opportunity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 6 November, 2008 Share Posted 6 November, 2008 (edited) ...................... Edited 7 December, 2008 by Viking Warrior Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 6 November, 2008 Share Posted 6 November, 2008 Just scrap the subs along with the rest of the Navy (except aicraft carriers). The whole focre is totally irrelevent nowadays anyway and just a relic from the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 6 November, 2008 Share Posted 6 November, 2008 :smt017 Oops, spelled that a bit wrong. Unless of course goblin penetration is a common hobby on submarines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 6 November, 2008 Share Posted 6 November, 2008 http://www.thisisplymouth.co.uk/news/Women-serve-navy-submarines/article-453808-detail/article.html the most operational arm of the navy (bar the marines) will die of death SHOULD this in the 2020's shame shame shame.... luckily for me, should I stay in... my full term would have been completed by then... Ooh GI Jane, will there be any Demi Moore lookalikes?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 6 November, 2008 Share Posted 6 November, 2008 Thats another reason women should be allowed on boats, the moths would eat thrue their silk lingerie in next to no time. They would moan like buggery if that happened, when was the last time you heard a subby moan that moths had eaten his silk boxer shorts Never. Are you saying it's a good thing to listen to women moaning? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Mikey Posted 6 November, 2008 Share Posted 6 November, 2008 Ooh GI Jane, will there be any Demi Moore lookalikes?. I'd wager they'll look more like Dudley Moore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopGun Posted 6 November, 2008 Share Posted 6 November, 2008 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 6 November, 2008 Share Posted 6 November, 2008 I like the new uniform. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 6 November, 2008 Share Posted 6 November, 2008 I like the new uniform. In the good old days ,all girls used to wear skirts like that for Hockey and Netball, with matching navy knickers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 6 November, 2008 Share Posted 6 November, 2008 In the good old days ,all girls used to wear skirts like that for Hockey and Netball, with matching navy knickers. Even the fat ugly ones :shock: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CabbageFace Posted 6 November, 2008 Share Posted 6 November, 2008 we need a poll. What will kill the navy first A)STI/D's B)Women on subs C)HIV/AIDS D)Terrorists E) Lack of funding F) Thedelldays boring them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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