jasoneuelllfanclub Posted 2 March, 2012 Share Posted 2 March, 2012 Birmingham been placed under a transfer embargo for failing to disclose accounts on time. They openly admit to making sure they recruited players before expected penalty enforced. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17232625 surely this is cheating the system and they are gaining a potentially unfair advantage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 2 March, 2012 Share Posted 2 March, 2012 What does it matter? We all know that the FL don't have the minerals to actually enforce the rules and impose penalties, after all they have turned a blind eye to pretty much everything down the M27 over the last few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crouchie's Lawyer Posted 2 March, 2012 Share Posted 2 March, 2012 Football seems to be a rule to its own. Yeah, i think it is cheating. The FL should retract the registrations of said players or affectly impose a ban on these players until the embargo is lifted. It is like having a court hearing coming up for a driving offense you know will take you over the 12 point limit and lose you your licence and driving around everywhere at 150mph before the hearing 'to get places quicker'. If there is no recourse for your actions, a punishment is simply not that. Kind of like the skates taking the point deduction before the deadline date to apply them to next season. Not that I see them lasting that long but if they miraculously pull out of it and scrape relegation, the 10 point deduction would have served as no real penalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 2 March, 2012 Share Posted 2 March, 2012 Shame Coventry didn't do the same they've just been hit by a transfer embargo to http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17232219 I wonder if Coventry will still be allowed loan player like pompey? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintAndy14 Posted 2 March, 2012 Share Posted 2 March, 2012 The FL need to grow a backbone. As a teacher, if I allow one kid to get away with something/don't enforce the rules for one then others notice and begin to push their luck/see what they can get away with. They realise the person in charge is not strong enough and soon several are bending the rules as they know they can. This is what is happening with football clubs as they know the FL are this weak teacher-type authority. I learnt this early on during a placement and it's about time the FL learnt that making an example of one wrong-doing club will frighten the others into complying with the rules rather than bending them as they know they can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBS1980 Posted 2 March, 2012 Share Posted 2 March, 2012 Hardly going to affect Birmingham considering they made sure they got players in on loan before the ban came. The FL shouldn't have approved them knowing the deadline was approaching for their accounts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 2 March, 2012 Share Posted 2 March, 2012 Hardly going to affect Birmingham considering they made sure they got players in on loan before the ban came. The FL shouldn't have approved them knowing the deadline was approaching for their accounts. Why ? There's an accounts deadline, it's now passed, NOW they can punish them, and they have, immediately. Birmingham have moved intelligently to ensure they've got their transfers in early, but they didn't break any rules to do so. Of course if they were that smart they'd have done their accounts, or not got into the mess they have so that their accounts aren't worth hiding. All of this "pre-emptive discipline" stuff is just nonsense and would be laughed out of court. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBS1980 Posted 2 March, 2012 Share Posted 2 March, 2012 Why ? There's an accounts deadline, it's now passed, NOW they can punish them, and they have, immediately. Birmingham have moved intelligently to ensure they've got their transfers in early, but they didn't break any rules to do so. Of course if they were that smart they'd have done their accounts, or not got into the mess they have so that their accounts aren't worth hiding. All of this "pre-emptive discipline" stuff is just nonsense and would be laughed out of court. True, but it's that sort of approach that puts clubs like Birmingham in trouble. There are too many clubs in trouble because of stupid management. Portsmounth, Rangers, Port Vale, Birmingham, Coventry, Kettering..... It will take 1 or 2 to go bust before the rest will take notice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 2 March, 2012 Share Posted 2 March, 2012 True, but it's that sort of approach that puts clubs like Birmingham in trouble. There are too many clubs in trouble because of stupid management. Portsmounth, Rangers, Port Vale, Birmingham, Coventry, Kettering..... It will take 1 or 2 to go bust before the rest will take notice. I agree, but advocating pre-emptive rule changes based on circumstantial evidence will weaken the competition not strengthen it. Though I'm not quite sure how Brum "admitting it" isn't worthy of a disrepute charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 2 March, 2012 Share Posted 2 March, 2012 Birmingham haven't done anything wrong, they've merely played the system to their advantage. Once again it's the totally inept FL that are at fault with their shoddy decision making and rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 2 March, 2012 Share Posted 2 March, 2012 The FL need to grow a backbone. As a teacher, if I allow one kid to get away with something/don't enforce the rules for one then others notice and begin to push their luck/see what they can get away with. They realise the person in charge is not strong enough and soon several are bending the rules as they know they can. This is what is happening with football clubs as they know the FL are this weak teacher-type authority. I learnt this early on during a placement and it's about time the FL learnt that making an example of one wrong-doing club will frighten the others into complying with the rules rather than bending them as they know they can. Yes, but the FL have acted, and they have acted as prescribed by their own rules. Birmingham have been punished for not sending in their accounts on time. What they haven't done is undermined their own authority by ignoring their own rules and making up stuff to suit the situation. Birmingham haven't broken any other rules (that we know of), and if the FL feel a rule change is necessary due to this situation then what they need to do are change the rules and apply them evenly to all. In terms of changing the rule itself, I'm not sure how you would retrospectively repeal legitimate transfers. I suppose it could be possible to enforce a rule that teams are embargoed on transfers if they haven't submitted their accounts a month in advance or something like that, or they could change the accounting periods required to coincide with transfer windows. Whatever they might choose to do, they can't just say "they're sort of looking like they might be not adhering to the spirit of the law" and then trump up some punishment... well, they can, but the FL then run the risk of looking inconsistent in their application of the rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stu0x Posted 2 March, 2012 Share Posted 2 March, 2012 Not really. They can't provide a realistic projection of their funding next year due to their owner's precarious legal situation overseas. So they can't publish results. Publishing or not publishing has little/no impact on the actual financial stability of the club. That will be down to whether Mr Yeung gets prosecuted/convicted or not. If he does, the club will likely instantly go into administration. If he doesnt, it won't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 2 March, 2012 Share Posted 2 March, 2012 Not really. They can't provide a realistic projection of their funding next year due to their owner's precarious legal situation overseas. So they can't publish results. Publishing or not publishing has little/no impact on the actual financial stability of the club. That will be down to whether Mr Yeung gets prosecuted/convicted or not. If he does, the club will likely instantly go into administration. If he doesnt, it won't. How do you figure that? All this does is cast a doubt on the going concern assumption, a qualified report should be fine surely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 2 March, 2012 Share Posted 2 March, 2012 How do you figure that? All this does is cast a doubt on the going concern assumption, a qualified report should be fine surely? I'm sure a report saying "with Yeung's funding.. this much, without... this much" would save them the trouble of having to do all their loan activity in February... unless ofcourse the reason they're not posting is because they don't want to show how much up the creek they are yet, which seems to be the usual course of action for clubs who are massively overstretched. Amazing how in the summer both Birmingham and West Ham were skint and yet they have enough to try and launch a bid to get back in the Prem. I'm not sure why they're bothered, they always lose money when they're up there anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
del boy Posted 2 March, 2012 Share Posted 2 March, 2012 they should all be shot (is one theory I overheard) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highfield Saint Posted 2 March, 2012 Share Posted 2 March, 2012 More interesting is the fact that they have repeatedly not filed accounts. The next promised date for this is immediately after the end of the season and I think they may have suffered a financial penalty from Companies House to do this. A cynic would possibly think that this is slightly more than a coincidence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 2 March, 2012 Share Posted 2 March, 2012 They did the same at the start of the season, didn't they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stu0x Posted 2 March, 2012 Share Posted 2 March, 2012 How do you figure that? All this does is cast a doubt on the going concern assumption, a qualified report should be fine surely? From the Coventry article... "As part of the accounts submission process we have to be able to show committed funding out for the next financial year," chief executive Tim Fisher told the club website. "We could not do this as we are still in the process of agreeing and negotiating budgets with the owner." He continued: "There is nothing untoward about this and it is perfectly normal to be negotiating funding with the owner. We would hope to secure funding commitments in the very next few weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 3 March, 2012 Share Posted 3 March, 2012 The Liam Lawrence loan to Cardiff is another example of how the FL don't enforce their own rules on the transfer/loan windows. The only emergency element of that loan is PFC needing to off-load costs. As a means of improving Cardiff's chance of a play-off place it is simply cheating the other clubs in the competition. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 3 March, 2012 Share Posted 3 March, 2012 The Liam Lawrence loan to Cardiff is another example of how the FL don't enforce their own rules on the transfer/loan windows. The only emergency element of that loan is PFC needing to off-load costs. As a means of improving Cardiff's chance of a play-off place it is simply cheating the other clubs in the competition. . would you not say that this is an emergency.....for pompey..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 3 March, 2012 Share Posted 3 March, 2012 The Liam Lawrence loan to Cardiff is another example of how the FL don't enforce their own rules on the transfer/loan windows. The only emergency element of that loan is PFC needing to off-load costs. As a means of improving Cardiff's chance of a play-off place it is simply cheating the other clubs in the competition. . You don't understand the loan window. "Emergency" is a complete misnomer and red herring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
It's There Posted 3 March, 2012 Share Posted 3 March, 2012 A simple rule change here would suffice. Any club that does not file its acounts on time cannot play any loan players brought in during the preceding 3 months- hence immediately stopping shoddy accounting clubs/ clubs in trouble from benefitting beyond 1st March- hence other clubs won't need to moan about unfair advantage in the build up to the meaty end of season etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 3 March, 2012 Share Posted 3 March, 2012 The Liam Lawrence loan to Cardiff is another example of how the FL don't enforce their own rules on the transfer/loan windows. The only emergency element of that loan is PFC needing to off-load costs. As a means of improving Cardiff's chance of a play-off place it is simply cheating the other clubs in the competition. . You're talking nonsense. There's no "emergency" involved. The loan window is still open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 3 March, 2012 Share Posted 3 March, 2012 Not really cheating, more playing the system, in such a way that pompey are ensuring they have less than the elligible amount of players in order to loan more. Is it right ? Possibly not, but they are acting within the FLs shoddy rule structure and so what can you do ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 3 March, 2012 Share Posted 3 March, 2012 As with all compliance, all it does is impede those who operate to good practice by imposing additional administrative burden and cost, whilst doing little to disuade the cowboys............until they get caught. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 3 March, 2012 Share Posted 3 March, 2012 Poopey really are leading the way aren't they!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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