doddisalegend Posted 2 March, 2012 Share Posted 2 March, 2012 Agree 100%. Some people need to get a bit of perspective and some humility. Remember how you felt when we were going to lose our club. No-one deserves that. Except if the fans care enough no one loses their club....they lose their league status and they have to start again but if their fans want it enough a new Pompey will emerge....same would have happened to SFC enough people cared that a new team would have emerged from the ashes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 2 March, 2012 Share Posted 2 March, 2012 (edited) A. The cheating ****s deserve liquidation. The derby days are good but every day will feel like a derby win when they go non-league. Edited 2 March, 2012 by aintforever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Gotsmanov Posted 2 March, 2012 Share Posted 2 March, 2012 Lots of Saints' fans say they want PFC to survive albeit in a lower league. Fair enough but tonight they are looking at liquidation which will mean that their results will be expunged and consequently Saints promotion chances will be automatically enhanced by the fact we will only have one point deducted and many of our rivals like West Ham will have 6. So that leads on to the critical question - if it meant Saints being automatically promoted to the Premiership could you accept at the same time that it would mean the total disappearance of P********h once and for all? (Vote A) Or would you rather P survived and we strove for promotion on our own merits and not neccesarily be succesful (Vote B). Easy choice Me? Vote A Pompey will survive in some form but must surely now be liquidated. In my eyes it will be very sad to lose such a big rival to play against but how I would love the irony of them giving us the points to go up. Sha la la la la la and all that. Vote A I would also not wish the loss of their club on anyone I agree with Weston. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markr27 Posted 2 March, 2012 Share Posted 2 March, 2012 (edited) B. Saints are currently 5 points ahead of 3rd place today (Reading), and if Pompey were to fold in three minutes time, Saints would be 6 points ahead of third (West Ham). Therefore, Saints (as it stands) would not gain any substantial advantage if Pompey did fold as others will move up into West Ham's place, maintaining the existing point differences. Despite losing those six points, West Ham would actually gain an extra game in hand over Saints if my maths is correct? Edited 2 March, 2012 by markr27 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonjoe Posted 2 March, 2012 Share Posted 2 March, 2012 I can't stand all this soppy ******** about wanting them to survive. The reality of the matter is that if Pompey are liquidated then a new club will surely be set up so we'll still have Pompey as a rival, it's just that they'll be a crappy lower league outfit (which is arguably what they bloody should be anyway). If they get away with years of living beyond their means and carrying out dubious financial dealings, the whole thing is a bloody joke. I sincerely hope the current club is liquidated; what effect this would or wouldn't have on Saints is completely irrelevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 2 March, 2012 Share Posted 2 March, 2012 Bit of humility needed on this thread. Remember back a few years ago just before our owners came on the scene. We faced liquidation or a micky mouse outfit with no money coming on board. We got very lucky. I know there were many idiot pompey supporters who wanted us dead but the majority of the sensible ones, and I have many friends who are or were pompey season ticket holders, wanted us to survive. Sure they had a smile on their face when we lost games but in a friendly rivalry way, just as the majority of Saints supporters would. Sure there are differences why both South Coast Clubs went into Administration. Was that the fault of honest hard working supporters who looked to the club of their birth or attachment for football entertainment or escape. How many of our supporters hated Lowe because he would not invest to the next level by breaking our wage structure or transfer fees? Yet this is what we are now rightly blaming the Portsmouth Management for doing and what many other clubs are doing. If we get promotion I want it to be on merit. I do not want our 1-1 result at Pompey expunged because West Ham did better than us at FP. Is that not the same sort of "cheating" we are blaming of PFC. I do not want to see Portsmouth FC liquidated (all though I fear that will be the outcome) Yes I want to see them with a bloody nose and I want to see them in a lower division but not gone forever. Whatever you think of the present set up, there is history there and it is worth preserving. So B for me every time Don't be such a big gay. All this gone forever stuff is just nonsense, they will start up again as a non-league side and work their way back up. The way things are going even if they survive there probably won't be any derby games for a couple of decades anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 2 March, 2012 Share Posted 2 March, 2012 If we get promotion I want it to be on merit. I do not want our 1-1 result at Pompey expunged because West Ham did better than us at FP. Is that not the same sort of "cheating" we are blaming of PFC. How much crack do you smoke on a daily basis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 2 March, 2012 Share Posted 2 March, 2012 Irrelevant, they won't be allowed to default on their fixtures, the Football League will see to that. They might go under immediately after the last game though. The Football League has previously "seen to it" that a number of clubs have had their records expunged for failing to complete their season and has no interest in helping incompetent clubs maintain their status. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cambsaint Posted 2 March, 2012 Share Posted 2 March, 2012 I liked it when Saints were in Div1 and Mobtown as we then called them were in div3 or 4. I would enjoy the opportunity to see them playing the likes of Cambridge Utd or Histon and getting beaten. On a more serious note, many of their long standing loyal fans are apart from their one aberration quite decent people. I don't think that we should wish them to lose their team through no fault of their own. However I do want their recent owners to lose every penny they put in. On balance a new AFC Portsmouth like Wimbledon may be the best answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 2 March, 2012 Share Posted 2 March, 2012 Personally I do not want to gain promotion with any help from that lot down the road although I'd take it if it was the only way. I want us to go up as Champions on merit and therefore avoid all the b.o.l.l.o.x from down the road (you know how they love there history) about you were only promoted because we were liquidated (I prefer exterminated BTW). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 2 March, 2012 Share Posted 2 March, 2012 Personally I do not want to gain promotion with any help from that lot down the road although I'd take it if it was the only way. I want us to go up as Champions on merit and therefore avoid all the b.o.l.l.o.x from down the road (you know how they love there history) about you were only promoted because we were liquidated (I prefer exterminated BTW). What, not even by taking 4 points from them ? If there are 23 teams in the league and we finish top we will be there on merit. Their failure to complete a season is irrelevant and will be forgotten in time, and "you only went up because we ceased to exist" is hardly likely to be something anyone will be boasting about, especially when the comeback is as simple as "is that our fault?" and it just draws attention to their utter failure to exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st.sj Posted 2 March, 2012 Share Posted 2 March, 2012 Bit of humility needed on this thread. Remember back a few years ago just before our owners came on the scene. We faced liquidation or a micky mouse outfit with no money coming on board. We got very lucky. I know there were many idiot pompey supporters who wanted us dead but the majority of the sensible ones, and I have many friends who are or were pompey season ticket holders, wanted us to survive. Sure they had a smile on their face when we lost games but in a friendly rivalry way, just as the majority of Saints supporters would. Sure there are differences why both South Coast Clubs went into Administration. Was that the fault of honest hard working supporters who looked to the club of their birth or attachment for football entertainment or escape. How many of our supporters hated Lowe because he would not invest to the next level by breaking our wage structure or transfer fees? Yet this is what we are now rightly blaming the Portsmouth Management for doing and what many other clubs are doing. If we get promotion I want it to be on merit. I do not want our 1-1 result at Pompey expunged because West Ham did better than us at FP. Is that not the same sort of "cheating" we are blaming of PFC. I do not want to see Portsmouth FC liquidated (all though I fear that will be the outcome) Yes I want to see them with a bloody nose and I want to see them in a lower division but not gone forever. Whatever you think of the present set up, there is history there and it is worth preserving. So B for me every time Good post and well said. A question [pointless as it is]. Does the numbers of people disagreeing with this post and even insulting the poster really represent the majority of saints fans?? Im sort of hoping not but then I could never understand why the Sun is the number one read newspaper iether. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 2 March, 2012 Share Posted 2 March, 2012 Good post and well said. A question [pointless as it is]. Does the numbers of people disagreeing with this post and even insulting the poster really represent the majority of saints fans?? Im sort of hoping not but then I could never understand why the Sun is the number one read newspaper iether. I only said 'A' because it'd be a laugh. But seriously, there are two outcomes here for Portsmouth fans, neither of them that bad. They either find a buyer that is capable of buying the club or settling the debt, or they become AFC Portsmouth and fight their way up the leagues. Over the long term, either situation is better than what they have now. You only have to look at AFC Wimbledon for the inspiration. I think the poster makes strong points and backs them up. I do have sympathy for the Pompey moderates, but equally, it would be a laugh to see their more venomous adherents get a taste of their own medicine. If they do end up doing an AFC Portsmouth thing, I'd have no problem going to a couple of games in solidarity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 2 March, 2012 Share Posted 2 March, 2012 If they do end up doing an AFC Portsmouth thing, I'd have no problem going to a couple of games in solidarity. That's the way I feel about it. Let them do the honourable thing and wind themselves up, and a new club starts with a clean history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 2 March, 2012 Share Posted 2 March, 2012 can I vote twice? Stick me down for another A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 2 March, 2012 Share Posted 2 March, 2012 What, not even by taking 4 points from them ? If there are 23 teams in the league and we finish top we will be there on merit. Their failure to complete a season is irrelevant and will be forgotten in time, and "you only went up because we ceased to exist" is hardly likely to be something anyone will be boasting about, especially when the comeback is as simple as "is that our fault?" and it just draws attention to their utter failure to exist. Not many skates have you? ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Armstrong Posted 2 March, 2012 Share Posted 2 March, 2012 Liam Lawrence out the door too now, on loan to Cardiff.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 2 March, 2012 Share Posted 2 March, 2012 no doubt more players will go...we are going to muller them at SMS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 2 March, 2012 Share Posted 2 March, 2012 Don't suppose there's any chance of liquidating Leicester and Bristol City too? Would be handy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harwellsaint Posted 2 March, 2012 Share Posted 2 March, 2012 its simple, they bought the fa cup with a credit card they could not afford, then shoved it down our throats, when we struggled do you think they spared a thought for us saints fans? of course not, even the most hardened skate must of realised that to bring in j.utaka and pay him cost pfc 24 million pounds with gates up to and hardly above 16000 could never work in the long run, sol cam on 100,000 a week? they have run out of non money numpties to buy them and excuses to all that could, no one else to blame but themselves, wheres the orange faced fred dinage now then? so its good ridance to what i consider the most vile obnoxious footy club ive ever had the misfortune to visit, as for their fans being great, has anyone voicing that opinion ever been to that hellhole? even with saints not envolved they are aggressive uneducated violent mongs. think that covers it love harwellsaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guan 2.0 Posted 2 March, 2012 Share Posted 2 March, 2012 A) Fuck 'em. Also hope agent Lawrence scores on sunday to wipe out the game in hand West Ham currently enjoy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 2 March, 2012 Share Posted 2 March, 2012 no doubt more players will go...we are going to muller them at SMS Oh bugger ...I remember your we will stay up under Poortvliet post...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didcot Saint Posted 2 March, 2012 Share Posted 2 March, 2012 its simple, they bought the fa cup with a credit card they could not afford, then shoved it down our throats, when we struggled do you think they spared a thought for us saints fans? of course not, even the most hardened skate must of realised that to bring in j.utaka and pay him cost pfc 24 million pounds with gates up to and hardly above 16000 could never work in the long run, sol cam on 100,000 a week? they have run out of non money numpties to buy them and excuses to all that could, no one else to blame but themselves, wheres the orange faced fred dinage now then? so its good ridance to what i consider the most vile obnoxious footy club ive ever had the misfortune to visit, as for their fans being great, has anyone voicing that opinion ever been to that hellhole? even with saints not envolved they are aggressive uneducated violent mongs. think that covers it love harwellsaint This Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K,Billy's supersound Posted 2 March, 2012 Share Posted 2 March, 2012 B. we can get promoted with out the help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_jas Posted 2 March, 2012 Share Posted 2 March, 2012 After we smAsh them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 2 March, 2012 Share Posted 2 March, 2012 Oh bugger ...I remember your we will stay up under Poortvliet post...... wrong it was WOTTE who was going to keep us up.....!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickmick Posted 2 March, 2012 Share Posted 2 March, 2012 Stick me down for another B. Mind you I might regret that if they don't go down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wightman35 Posted 2 March, 2012 Share Posted 2 March, 2012 "A" it has to be, then. Three administrations in living memory-two of those in quick succession. The recent CVA being obtained with some questions asked about the numbers. F A cup won by players beyond their financial means. Still building with quality over quantity and paying Premiership wages. Failing to pay Taxes, Charities local businesses, allegedly. Failing to comply with CVA terms I believe. Don't own their ground or car park, no training centre either. All right, we were lucky to get Marcus and NC when we were in the brown stuff; (we could have ended up with the administrator's "preferred bidder!) but ML and NC were shrewd business men and realised that the ASSETS were worth the effort of an investment. "A" will be better for them as it would mean a clean start for AFC P or whatever, hopefully without dubious ownership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(not THE) Kevin Moore Posted 2 March, 2012 Share Posted 2 March, 2012 If the only two options were 'a' and 'b' then a reluctant 'a' from me, but I think what will really happen is 'c' we tank them at home, go up anyway and they languish in league 1 or lower for a good few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surrey Saint Posted 2 March, 2012 Share Posted 2 March, 2012 "A" it has to be, then. Three administrations in living memory-two of those in quick succession. The recent CVA being obtained with some questions asked about the numbers. F A cup won by players beyond their financial means. Still building with quality over quantity and paying Premiership wages. Failing to pay Taxes, Charities local businesses, allegedly. Failing to comply with CVA terms I believe. Don't own their ground or car park, no training centre either. All right, we were lucky to get Marcus and NC when we were in the brown stuff; (we could have ended up with the administrator's "preferred bidder!) but ML and NC were shrewd business men and realised that the ASSETS were worth the effort of an investment. "A" will be better for them as it would mean a clean start for AFC P or whatever, hopefully without dubious ownership. This Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horley CTFC Saint Posted 2 March, 2012 Share Posted 2 March, 2012 I only said 'A' because it'd be a laugh. But seriously, there are two outcomes here for Portsmouth fans, neither of them that bad. They either find a buyer that is capable of buying the club or settling the debt, or they become AFC Portsmouth and fight their way up the leagues. Over the long term, either situation is better than what they have now. You only have to look at AFC Wimbledon for the inspiration. I think the poster makes strong points and backs them up. I do have sympathy for the Pompey moderates, but equally, it would be a laugh to see their more venomous adherents get a taste of their own medicine. If they do end up doing an AFC Portsmouth thing, I'd have no problem going to a couple of games in solidarity. If Pompey were liquidated the first thing to go will, be the ground which would be a disaster for them as AFC would need to find somewhere to play - groundshare with H&W, Moneyfields or the like - this would not be good for any AFC Pompey who's fanbase would substantially exceed AFC Wimbledon's - AFC Wombles play in Kingston in a ground that is far too small for them as a Div 2 club. Liquidation is not an attractive option for a club like Pompey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SarniaSaint Posted 2 March, 2012 Share Posted 2 March, 2012 I can't stand all this soppy ******** about wanting them to survive. The reality of the matter is that if Pompey are liquidated then a new club will surely be set up so we'll still have Pompey as a rival, it's just that they'll be a crappy lower league outfit (which is arguably what they bloody should be anyway). If they get away with years of living beyond their means and carrying out dubious financial dealings, the whole thing is a bloody joke. I sincerely hope the current club is liquidated; what effect this would or wouldn't have on Saints is completely irrelevant. This +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musesaint Posted 3 March, 2012 Share Posted 3 March, 2012 I'm definitely for A But wondering if the majority might be saying something different if it was us rather than West Ham who currently have 6 points from them ?? However.... it is West Ham not us .... so let the Pompey Scum die!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesb Posted 3 March, 2012 Share Posted 3 March, 2012 A also cos it would hack off west ham, their fool owners and big sam! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanthemanfairoak Posted 3 March, 2012 Share Posted 3 March, 2012 could not give a f**k what happens to them saints are all that matters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintscottofthenortham Posted 3 March, 2012 Share Posted 3 March, 2012 I can just imagine us singing at SMS... "Sha la la la la la la... Sha la la la la la la... Sha la la la la la la... THEY SENT THE SCUMMERS UP!!!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 3 March, 2012 Share Posted 3 March, 2012 I want to see them relagated to div 1 at least. I might be in the minority but i dont want to see them wiped out alltogether I enjoy the rivalry. We should also bear in mind that it can all turn around so quickly we might be gloating now but our owners could pull the plug at any time (through any number of scenarios) im not saying they would in this sucressful season but stranger things have happened! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patred44 Posted 3 March, 2012 Share Posted 3 March, 2012 Can we have this in smell a vote! so the blind can vote against them as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints Warrior Posted 4 March, 2012 Share Posted 4 March, 2012 Lick em out the football league. They paid off the FA for the cup and staying in the Prem. Pompey should have had 30+ points deducted. I want them Liguidated in 2 weeks. BUT THE BAD NEWS FOR SAINTS FANS IS THAT SKY SAY Chainrai IS PREPARED TO BAIL THE SKATES OUT AND HE WONT ASK FOR ALL THE £20M BACK. COME ON HMRC LIQUIDATE THE SKATES! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andymcrowe Posted 4 March, 2012 Share Posted 4 March, 2012 Now that most people understand that it is in West Ham's interests for Pompey to survive I wonder if West Ham might make a ridiculous offer for a Pompey player which will get them through to the last day of the season? How much is two points worth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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