Special K Posted 2 March, 2012 Share Posted 2 March, 2012 B for me. We are good enough to go up on our own accord. This mixed with Pompey playing Winchester City, et al next season would be terrific. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandwichsaint Posted 2 March, 2012 Share Posted 2 March, 2012 Er, A. I can't imagine any different. Plus we'll get years of lolz at their efforts to come back too. Besides, if we came in the top 2 in a 44 match season it would have nothing to do with Skate Cheats FC's existence or otherwise. Personally I don't think an outcome of a '44' game season is any where near as 'clean' as you (and others) are making out. Of course it's the least worst option and the only realistic one available to the league if that circumstance (a team dropping out in mid-season) comes about. In theory expunging the points gives a neat, clean solution that's absolutely 'fair'. But there are some fundamentals that they can't legislate for - some teams will 'play' 46 league games in the season others 45, some teams (potentially including us) will have a break in their scheduled fixtures in their run-in, possibly a good or a bad thing (depending on form, injuries, fixture congestion, suspensions etc), some teams will have incurred injuries or suspensions in their games v P (which other teams won't have). If we go up in a 44 games season we'll take it, if we win a 44 game league we will be Champions; no one will take that away and we won't care. I'll take all that but don't tell me it won't always be tainted; the only wose outcome would be that they are forced to finish the season with a completely scratch/youth team and the results of those games then have any bearing on promotion or relegation. What a shambles and with hindsight it would surely have been better if they hadn't started the season at all -playing games with only 13 or 14 players has been a complete **** take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Dave Posted 2 March, 2012 Share Posted 2 March, 2012 For all the smug, snide comments during our fall from grace, their gloating over who they're going to sign, their 'success' bought at the expense of others, the sickening claims of the bestest, for the battling claims of the News - answer is A. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted 2 March, 2012 Share Posted 2 March, 2012 B for me...yes I hate the way they have cheated, yes I hate the way all we have heard is the sympathy card, yes I hate the its everones fault but theirs BUT I remember how I felt during the dark days and I know a few decent fans worked at North Harbour for 5 years. If we are to go up then I want to do so under our own merits .....Fat Sams whingeing would be far worse than any Skates as well. But I am not that bothered about the Premiership anyway and have loved the fact I can now go to games in this division expecting to win and can afford for me and my lad can go home and away. Wish I had written the above (except the part about worked in NH). Sums up my feelings very well. Lots on here have short memories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 2 March, 2012 Share Posted 2 March, 2012 B for me. We are good enough to go up on our own accord. That would be option C.... Option B stipulates the hypothesis that we might not be good enough to go up on our own, hence the moral dilemma posed. I'm sure we'd all choose 'promotion of our own fruition' above all other options but I don't believe the OP was asking the question in that black and white sense. Yours (in the style of MLG), Trousers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st.sj Posted 2 March, 2012 Share Posted 2 March, 2012 Would love our promotion be more certain. Would rather do it on an even basis though. Plus dont see why I would want to see another football club disapear. A football club is not like, say M.F.I. Its a way of life, a great social network. Would not wish on there supporters what I would not wish on ours. So B. Can I also say for what its worth [obviously not a lot on here] I feel disapointed at so many people putting there own convenience before the end of a football club. And no I am not a Pompey fan, just dont get this sheep following hate that exists, boring! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 2 March, 2012 Share Posted 2 March, 2012 Odd how the opinion of not wanting to be back in the premier league because of what it has become seems to have dissapeared now promotion is a possibility... No still hate the PL rather it didn't exsist. I want saints to do well and win stuff like being championship champions but If we do go up I'm dreading the ticket price increases, constant ****ing about with match times and dates and having to put up with sh it from that **** Mark Lawrenson on MOTD. Going back to the OP A all the way both becuase it's pompey and becuase it will **** of WHU as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brmbrm Posted 2 March, 2012 Share Posted 2 March, 2012 A bsolutl A y Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted 2 March, 2012 Share Posted 2 March, 2012 That would be option C.... Option B stipulates the hypothesis that we might not be good enough to go up on our own, hence the moral dilemma posed. I'm sure we'd all choose 'promotion of our own fruition' above all other options but I don't believe the OP was asking the question in that black and white sense. Yours (in the style of MLG), Trousers Au contraire T. Option B was offered as "Or would you rather P survived and we strove for promotion on our own merits and not neccesarily be succesful (Vote B). Easy choice" Doesn't say we wouldn't be successful at promotion. MLG stylee-backatcha big fella. But taking your point, i still think i would go for B. I know it may go against the grain, but there's something more appealing about seeing them humiliated and belittled as opposed to expunged. Far more banter mileage with the fishy few in that. All imho of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambol2K9 Posted 2 March, 2012 Share Posted 2 March, 2012 A. Forget this bo!!ox about them helping us get promoted, if they disappear everyone gets exactly the same points from Pompey - Zero. How has that been an advantage to us in anyway? Go on explain it. If pompey go out of business then everyone who's already played them will have their points taken away. So we will lose 1 point, however west ham have played them twice and would lose 6 points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 2 March, 2012 Share Posted 2 March, 2012 A....Without a second thought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toomer Posted 2 March, 2012 Share Posted 2 March, 2012 I don't give A toss about them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 2 March, 2012 Share Posted 2 March, 2012 B for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junction 9 Posted 2 March, 2012 Share Posted 2 March, 2012 Lots of comments on here about how they "gloated" and revelled in it when we were in the same position. Surprise surpsrise, we are doing exactly the same back. I guess that's fine though because "they started it". The football club deserves to be punished for the way it has been run and therefore the fans will suffer along the way. Do I want them to cease to exist, NO I really dont. I wouldn't wish that on any club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highfield Saint Posted 2 March, 2012 Share Posted 2 March, 2012 Eh? A F eck em Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 2 March, 2012 Share Posted 2 March, 2012 Lots of comments on here about how they "gloated" and revelled in it when we were in the same position. Surprise surpsrise, we are doing exactly the same back. I guess that's fine though because "they started it". The football club deserves to be punished for the way it has been run and therefore the fans will suffer along the way. Do I want them to cease to exist, NO I really dont. I wouldn't wish that on any club. 'They' won't cease to exist though. Reincarnated? yes. Cease to exist? No Reincarnation will actually be good for them in the long run so those voting A are simply being sympathetic to their supporters... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 2 March, 2012 Share Posted 2 March, 2012 For the record, I think the best thing for Pompey is to go to the wall and have to start again... it's like the Titanic down there and they need to build a new boat to stay afloat in (in more ways than one). But in the context of the question, with regards to guaranteed promotion or not as a result, then I'm still a B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjsaint Posted 2 March, 2012 Share Posted 2 March, 2012 I'd like to go up through our own merit, but at the same time there is something quite attractive about the idea of Pompey's liquidation handing us promotion to the Prem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spakes Posted 2 March, 2012 Share Posted 2 March, 2012 In the last ten years, I think we've all looked forward to the derbies, we may have felt awful when we got beat, but how we loved it when we won. We all say how intense the rivalry is and everyone loves remembering the times we turned them over. That's what football is about, rivalries, bragging rights, fixtures to look forward to. If Pompey are liquidated, you could argue they'll never get back to the same level us as and therefore bang goes any realistic prospect of competitive derby matches for the forseeable future. Therefore it's got to be B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raging Bull Posted 2 March, 2012 Share Posted 2 March, 2012 The rivalry is really losing it's edge for me, I honestly couldn't care less about them. The only thing that matters is promotion & building a successful team in the PL. Although it's hard on the non knuckel dragging chimps...... cobblers to um! I'll have an A please bob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 2 March, 2012 Share Posted 2 March, 2012 What I meant was the fact we would get an advantage over West Ham by that many points taking them out of IMO the automatic spots. I believe Reading/Birmingham will be in the other automatic place. You're still wrong. We won't gain an 'advantage' over anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 2 March, 2012 Share Posted 2 March, 2012 Au contraire T. Option B was offered as "Or would you rather P survived and we strove for promotion on our own merits and not neccesarily be succesful (Vote B). Easy choice" Doesn't say we wouldn't be successful at promotion. MLG stylee-backatcha big fella. Fair point. I still think there's space for a 'third way' in FF's proposition but, yep, option B does indeed cover more than one eventuality :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted 2 March, 2012 Share Posted 2 March, 2012 B for me. You work in an office with a **** of a guy who for the last 3/4 years was above you and lorded it over you acting like a fool. Now, he got a demotion and is at the same grade as you after you got a promotion. He has been a bit dodgy at work and you know he has done something you could tell the boss about. If you told the boss, the other chap would be sacked and you would get a promotion to management level - but this chaps life would fall apart and it would effect his wife, kids etc. Or you can work hard and try to get the promotion under your own steam, knowing that this guy will get demoted again at some point and probably learn his lesson this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 2 March, 2012 Share Posted 2 March, 2012 Irrelevant, they won't be allowed to default on their fixtures, the Football League will see to that. They might go under immediately after the last game though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clapham Saint Posted 2 March, 2012 Share Posted 2 March, 2012 I just hope we win our last ever fixture against them! I just hope get the oportunity to play them again this season. After that... I really don't care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted 2 March, 2012 Share Posted 2 March, 2012 Irrelevant, they won't be allowed to default on their fixtures, the Football League will see to that. They might go under immediately after the last game though. [mlg] If that happens, their results would still be removed as the season isnt over until the end of the play offs. [/mlg] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 2 March, 2012 Share Posted 2 March, 2012 [mlg] If that happens, their results would still be removed as the season isnt over until the end of the play offs. [/mlg] Pompey's results will not be expunged as a result of any possible scenario, if they aren't in the play-offs then they can't default by not playing.Doubt if even MLG would suggest that scenario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 2 March, 2012 Share Posted 2 March, 2012 You're still wrong. We won't gain an 'advantage' over anyone. Why not?? West Ham have taken 6 points from them So far we have taken just 1 although that will change to 4 in April. If liquidated they will lose that many....can you explain where I have it wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 2 March, 2012 Share Posted 2 March, 2012 Jesus, why is it so hard for some people to understand ? If Pompey's results are expunged, each team will by the end of the season have played the remaining 22 teams twice - 44 games in total. There is no advantage gained by anybody. Its is a fair and level competition - how you did against the 22 teams at home and away. However.... Pompey are clearly insolvent, so if the FL and FA for reasons of image find some sneak method for them to honour their games and they get to the end of the season, then get liquidated the next day, AND we miss promotion to Reading or Brum in first place, and West Ham 1 point ahead of us in 2nd place, there WILL be a stink which I expect Cortese to take to court. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 2 March, 2012 Share Posted 2 March, 2012 Why not?? West Ham have taken 6 points from them So far we have taken just 1 although that will change to 4 in April. If liquidated they will lose that many....can you explain where I have it wrong We get the maths. but.. At the end of the day each team will have got the same points from Pompey . NIL. ZILCH. BIG FAT ZERO Therefore no advantage to nobody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 2 March, 2012 Share Posted 2 March, 2012 Fair point. I still think there's space for a 'third way' in FF's proposition but, yep, option B does indeed cover more than one eventuality :-) Wurzel may have a 'C'.............. Wurzel Registered User To be fair to the other 23 teams the FL should be contacting them now and seek a guarantee that they can see out the season. If that can not be given then they should have their golden share removed now, all results wiped out and be given bottom place with 0 points. If they somehow manage to rescue themselves between now and season end they can restart in L1 next season as a normal relegation. If they can't, or liquidate before then, the phoenix club can reform wherever someone will have them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red And White Barmy Army Posted 2 March, 2012 Share Posted 2 March, 2012 B for sure. 1) I don't want to see the skates disappear - rivallry between 2 professional clubs is a good thing. 2) Promotion would be tainted - we have worked hard enough for long enough to deserve a clear conscience when it does happen. The challenge we bought into at the beginning of the season was to be in the top 2 after playing 46 games. We couldn't win the away leg of our rivallry. Sucks to be us, but West Ham still had to go to Millwall, etc etc. My conscience isn't comfortable with effectively gaining 2 points (potentially 5 if hyperthetically speaking there was a shock result at SMS later in the season) due to something we didn't control. We didn't win the game at Fratton so we deserve to be 2 points worse off than we could be. If anyone can be comfortable with gaining points that weren't as a directed result of what happened on the football pitch then I question where they would draw the line... paying the ref etc? 3) If we don't get promoted this season then it will happen soon any way. 4) The skates (and others) will be whinging forever more. The players and staff deserve more credit than some of the criticism which will undoubtedly come out of it. 5) I want them to exist for long enough so we can play them (and thrash them) in April. 6) Players can become conditioned very easily - if they're subconsciously thinking that they can gain points without putting effort in or without winning some of toughest games of the season, then you never know when a player might prefer not to track back or to play a half-hearted ball into his own midfield. I just think it's better that we limit our confounding psychological variables because the players seem to be in a good place right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 2 March, 2012 Share Posted 2 March, 2012 Why not?? West Ham have taken 6 points from them So far we have taken just 1 although that will change to 4 in April. If liquidated they will lose that many....can you explain where I have it wrong If you don't get it now, I'm not going to waste my time explaining something so simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintbletch Posted 2 March, 2012 Share Posted 2 March, 2012 B for me. You work in an office with a **** of a guy who for the last 3/4 years was above you and lorded it over you acting like a fool. Now, he got a demotion and is at the same grade as you after you got a promotion. He has been a bit dodgy at work and you know he has done something you could tell the boss about. If you told the boss, the other chap would be sacked and you would get a promotion to management level - but this chaps life would fall apart and it would effect his wife, kids etc. Or you can work hard and try to get the promotion under your own steam, knowing that this guy will get demoted again at some point and probably learn his lesson this time. Very good Pancake. It sounds like a Dickens' plot - a tale of retribution and moral justice set against a backdrop of tortured office politics and the male ego. I had a tear in my eye as I was reading it. But how does it end, and what was your boss called? I agree B for me too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dellman Posted 2 March, 2012 Share Posted 2 March, 2012 If we play 44 games each because Pompey survive, that will be a level playing field for all. If we play 42 games each because Pompey have gone that will be a level playing field for all. What's the problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jones91 Posted 2 March, 2012 Share Posted 2 March, 2012 Has to be A... Imagine if they get away with it again, and we miss promotion, could lead to anything (even the Liebherr's pulling out). Kill 'em off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 2 March, 2012 Share Posted 2 March, 2012 (edited) Bit of humility needed on this thread. Remember back a few years ago just before our owners came on the scene. We faced liquidation or a micky mouse outfit with no money coming on board. We got very lucky. I know there were many idiot pompey supporters who wanted us dead but the majority of the sensible ones, and I have many friends who are or were pompey season ticket holders, wanted us to survive. Sure they had a smile on their face when we lost games but in a friendly rivalry way, just as the majority of Saints supporters would. Sure there are differences why both South Coast Clubs went into Administration. Was that the fault of honest hard working supporters who looked to the club of their birth or attachment for football entertainment or escape. How many of our supporters hated Lowe because he would not invest to the next level by breaking our wage structure or transfer fees? Yet this is what we are now rightly blaming the Portsmouth Management for doing and what many other clubs are doing. If we get promotion I want it to be on merit. I do not want our 1-1 result at Pompey expunged because West Ham did better than us at FP. Is that not the same sort of "cheating" we are blaming of PFC. I do not want to see Portsmouth FC liquidated (all though I fear that will be the outcome) Yes I want to see them with a bloody nose and I want to see them in a lower division but not gone forever. Whatever you think of the present set up, there is history there and it is worth preserving. So B for me every time Edited 2 March, 2012 by Weston Saint spelling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 2 March, 2012 Share Posted 2 March, 2012 We get the maths. but.. At the end of the day each team will have got the same points from Pompey . NIL. ZILCH. BIG FAT ZERO Therefore no advantage to nobody. Except that if it happened tomorrow. The psyclogical impact on say WHU who suddenly fall three places down the table through not fault of they're own could be huge. Plus the fact that they would have actually had to play more games than us (did they get any suspensions or injuries in that extra game against pompey that we don't have to play? for example) So while taking off the points is the fairest way It still doesn't mean there is no advantage for some teams over others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitch01 Posted 2 March, 2012 Share Posted 2 March, 2012 B. Doesn't anybody remember 2009? Plus the rivalry is very enjoyable IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wagon 84 Posted 2 March, 2012 Share Posted 2 March, 2012 Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 2 March, 2012 Share Posted 2 March, 2012 What's the problem? it's a 46 game season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 2 March, 2012 Share Posted 2 March, 2012 Bit of humility needed on this thread. Remember back a few years ago just before our owners came on the scene. We faced liquidation or a micky mouse outfit with no money coming on board. We got very lucky. I know their were many idiot pompey supporters who wanted us dead but the majority of the sensible ones, and I have many friends who are or were pompey season ticket holders, wanted us to survive. Sure they had a smile on their face when we lost games but in a friendly rivalry way, just as the majority of Saints supporters would. Sure there are differences why both South Coast Clubs went into Administration. Was that the fault of honest hard working supporters who looked to the club of their birth or attachment for football entertainment or escape. How many of our supporters hated Lowe because he would not invest to the next level by breaking our wage structure or transfer fees? Yet this is what we are now rightly blaming the Portsmouth Management of doing and what many other clubs are doing. If we get promotion I want it to be on merit. I do not want our 1-1 result at Pompey expunged begase West Ham did better than us at FP. Is that not the same sort of "cheating" we are blaming of PFC. I do not want to see Portsmouth FC liquidated (all though I fear that will be the outcome) Yes I want to see them with a bloody nose and I want to see them in a lower division but not gone forever. Whatever you think of the present set up, there is history there and it is worth preserving. So B for me every time Why? A) how many pompey fans were sympathetic to our plight back then B) The difference between our admin and pompeys double admin in a couple of years are massive No it's not cheating as we haven't made this situation, unless your suggesting SFC has in some way enginered PFC second collapse as some way to gain and advantage............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 2 March, 2012 Share Posted 2 March, 2012 As you have only picked out parts I assume you agree with the rest A The majority were sypathetic. It was the idiot minority. None of my many friends from down there wanted us to disappear. B Is that not what I said? there were diffences but not the fault of the supporters. If "cheating" is the wrong word I am sure you get the idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 2 March, 2012 Share Posted 2 March, 2012 Bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ant Posted 2 March, 2012 Share Posted 2 March, 2012 We get the maths. but.. At the end of the day each team will have got the same points from Pompey . NIL. ZILCH. BIG FAT ZERO Therefore no advantage to nobody. Absolutely true, BUT I think the reason people are getting this wrong is the perspective you look at it from. Points-wise the 44 game season puts all teams on a level playing field at the end of the season. The discrepancy comes if you're considering the league table as it looks now. P*mpey fold = maximum of 0 points taken from playing them. Table as it stands: West Ham's maximum points against P*mpey = 6, Saints' maximum points against P*mpey = 4. Just for a change I'll go for A too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltonaggro Posted 2 March, 2012 Share Posted 2 March, 2012 An A please Bob, and an ALDI superstore build on what was Frottage Park... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander Posted 2 March, 2012 Share Posted 2 March, 2012 A!!! Oh the irony....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midfield_General Posted 2 March, 2012 Share Posted 2 March, 2012 Bit of humility needed on this thread. Remember back a few years ago just before our owners came on the scene. We faced liquidation or a micky mouse outfit with no money coming on board. We got very lucky. I know there were many idiot pompey supporters who wanted us dead but the majority of the sensible ones, and I have many friends who are or were pompey season ticket holders, wanted us to survive. Sure they had a smile on their face when we lost games but in a friendly rivalry way, just as the majority of Saints supporters would. Sure there are differences why both South Coast Clubs went into Administration. Was that the fault of honest hard working supporters who looked to the club of their birth or attachment for football entertainment or escape. How many of our supporters hated Lowe because he would not invest to the next level by breaking our wage structure or transfer fees? Yet this is what we are now rightly blaming the Portsmouth Management for doing and what many other clubs are doing. If we get promotion I want it to be on merit. I do not want our 1-1 result at Pompey expunged because West Ham did better than us at FP. Is that not the same sort of "cheating" we are blaming of PFC. I do not want to see Portsmouth FC liquidated (all though I fear that will be the outcome) Yes I want to see them with a bloody nose and I want to see them in a lower division but not gone forever. Whatever you think of the present set up, there is history there and it is worth preserving. So B for me every time Agree 100%. Some people need to get a bit of perspective and some humility. Remember how you felt when we were going to lose our club. No-one deserves that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 2 March, 2012 Share Posted 2 March, 2012 Agree 100%. Some people need to get a bit of perspective and some humility. Remember how you felt when we were going to lose our club. No-one deserves that. yes they do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabrone Posted 2 March, 2012 Share Posted 2 March, 2012 B - we go up on merit or we don't go up (couldn't care less about getting to the plastic league TBH). Don't want Pompey to go bust, enjoy the rivalry, demotion to lge 1 would be sufficient for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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