Donnylee Posted 29 February, 2012 Share Posted 29 February, 2012 Hows Mr Sharp getting on in his first few games for you? Seemed to recall it took him a few months before we saw the real Billy Sharp at Donny & wondered if he'd hit the ground running for you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 29 February, 2012 Share Posted 29 February, 2012 not yet.....missed an absolute sitter at west ham...also the arrival of a japanese international has kept him out of the side in the last game. I'm sure he will come good.....I reckon he may well score this weekend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Durman Posted 29 February, 2012 Share Posted 29 February, 2012 I also think we'll see the real Billy Sharp this weekend. Fingers crossed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trader Posted 29 February, 2012 Share Posted 29 February, 2012 He'll be OK once we get him fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 29 February, 2012 Share Posted 29 February, 2012 Yeah not sure he is properly fit yet. Much too early to tell what he is like yet. He missed a chance at West Ham, but in my opinion it came to him quite quickly. Although he should have scored, it wasn't as bad as people made out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
channonball Posted 29 February, 2012 Share Posted 29 February, 2012 Did you think he was fat at Donny? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 29 February, 2012 Share Posted 29 February, 2012 Did you think he was fat at Donny? He isn't 'saints fit.' As an exphysio, Adkins is really good at the getting players in shape side of things. When Lambert came to us he was clearly a good talent but once we worked on his exercise plan amongst other things, he has improved hugely. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't you build your team around Sharp? If so that may be one reason why he will take some time to adjust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenevaSaint Posted 29 February, 2012 Share Posted 29 February, 2012 I'm sure he'll come good, looks a real handful. When fit and settled into the area I think he'll be scoring lots for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donnylee Posted 29 February, 2012 Author Share Posted 29 February, 2012 He is a stocky lad but that is just how he is, he's not fat. Every team has different fitness level perhaps aren't as strict as yours & that will take time. He will come good I've no doubt, Don't forget we come to yours in 3 weeks so he'll be OK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 29 February, 2012 Share Posted 29 February, 2012 He is a stocky lad but that is just how he is, he's not fat. Every team has different fitness level perhaps aren't as strict as yours & that will take time. He will come good I've no doubt, Don't forget we come to yours in 3 weeks so he'll be OK I don't think he's fat. He isn't saints fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paris Posted 29 February, 2012 Share Posted 29 February, 2012 He'll come good just needs a wee bit of time me thinks.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 29 February, 2012 Share Posted 29 February, 2012 Going to be an important part of our team going forwards. Will offer us a real choice of styles up front depending on the type of team we are playing against. Looks to be an intelligent player as well. But here's a piece of advice - you guys up at Donny want to compete in modern football you REALLY need to get a Physio in charge. At this point He's fat, he's round he bounces off the ground, Billy Sharp, Billy Sharp... (But only in comparison to the rest of OUR players) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 29 February, 2012 Share Posted 29 February, 2012 Will take time, doesn't look match fit to me. Also we play very differently to Doncaster. He'll get his chances but just needs to come and take them, starting on Saturday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 29 February, 2012 Share Posted 29 February, 2012 Gets in to good postions in the couple of games I've seen him play but apart from the missed chance at WHU the ball hasn't quite fallen for him. As others have said he looks very off the pace compared to the rest of our team but we do have a very fit team...sports since is all the rage at saints. I reckon when we get his fitness levels up with the rest of the team and he has started to click with how the team plays. Sharp and Lambert are going to become a pretty good partnership Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 29 February, 2012 Share Posted 29 February, 2012 I don't think Hypo or Phil mean to come across as arrogant (and I don't want to put words in their mouth). 'Saints fit' can make it sound like we think we have invented some kind of fitness level that no other team in the world has achieved. It is also not slur on Donny, let's face it you have 3 points off us this season and we have 0 from you. It is however true to say this is the fittest our team has been possibly ever (I would say better than when Strachan was in charge) and Adkins has improved players such as Lambert. Sharpe is a little off this level, however I am sure and hopeful that once he finds his feet, he will start scoring for fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints67 Posted 29 February, 2012 Share Posted 29 February, 2012 I've only seen him in the home game against Burnley and I thought he played very well. His movement and positioning were spot on but possibly only let down by team mates not releasing the ball to him when he wanted it. There was one attack when he'd got away from the defender and was calling for the ball. However Morgan (I think) hesitated before scooping the ball over the defender which Sharp controlled well but the keeper had come out and blocked it. If Morgan had've released the ball a second or so earlier then I'm sure Sharp would have tucked the ball away. Adkins knows what he is on about and I believe Sharp will be a very effective cog in the Red 'n' White machine for this seasons run in.......and beyond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 29 February, 2012 Share Posted 29 February, 2012 Gets in to good postions in the couple of games I've seen him play but apart from the missed chance at WHU the ball hasn't quite fallen for him. As others have said he looks very off the pace compared to the rest of our team but we do have a very fit team...sports since is all the rage at saints. I reckon when we get his fitness levels up with the rest of the team and he has started to click with how the team plays. Sharp and Lambert are going to become a pretty good partnership Each individual gets their own individual regime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 29 February, 2012 Share Posted 29 February, 2012 I don't think Hypo or Phil mean to come across as arrogant (and I don't want to put words in their mouth). 'Saints fit' can make it sound like we think we have invented some kind of fitness level that no other team in the world has achieved. It is also not slur on Donny, let's face it you have 3 points off us this season and we have 0 from you.QUOTE] The term "Saints fit" came from Adkins, not Hypo or Phil. Its not arrogance, its just matter of fact, so much sports science stuff now that these are measureable qualities that our coaching team rightly pays a great deal of attention to as it is crucial part of our game. Interesting that everyone puts this fitness stuff down to Adkins though, because he is the physio, when in fact the fitness regime and associated is actually down to Crosby (according to Adkins). I don't think Crosby gets enough credit for where we are. No disrespect to Adkins, but its a bit like when Burley was here and we had some success, that was really down to Snodin (clearly evidenced when Snodin left), and like Hoddle with Gorman (the former is useless without the latter). Adkins is far better than either Burley or Glenda (IMHO) but the principle remains that the team is more than the sum of the individual parts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 29 February, 2012 Share Posted 29 February, 2012 Not arrogant but could easily sound or come across as arrogant, which is what I said. If I went onto a forum for West Ham and they talked about he West Ham way of hoofing it being different from other teams, I would think it sounded arrogant. (Ok bad example but you know what I mean). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 29 February, 2012 Share Posted 29 February, 2012 not yet.....missed an absolute sitter at west ham...also the arrival of a japanese international has kept him out of the side in the last game. I'm sure he will come good.....I reckon he may well score this weekend Although some would say that he did at least hit the target but on another day might / should have placed it past the keeper. I don't think lee is keeping him out though. NA has said on more than one or two occasions he is carrying a couple of niggles and needs more fitness work first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 29 February, 2012 Share Posted 29 February, 2012 It is quite obvious that the people on here that dismiss the chance that came back off Green at West Ham as easy have never played at any level. I had heard that it was an easy chance into an open goal but when I saw the chance it was nothing of the sort. The ball hit Green and came back off him like a bullet, Sharp was running in and had no time to adjust to get his boot to the ball, it really just hit him and deflected back towards goal. The fact that Green was on the ground and the goal was open was irrelevant as Sharp had no chance to set himself. It was a difficult chance and would have needed a lucky bounce off him to go in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 29 February, 2012 Share Posted 29 February, 2012 It is quite obvious that the people on here that dismiss the chance that came back off Green at West Ham as easy have never played at any level. I had heard that it was an easy chance into an open goal but when I saw the chance it was nothing of the sort. The ball hit Green and came back off him like a bullet, Sharp was running in and had no time to adjust to get his boot to the ball, it really just hit him and deflected back towards goal. The fact that Green was on the ground and the goal was open was irrelevant as Sharp had no chance to set himself. It was a difficult chance and would have needed a lucky bounce off him to go in. I actually totally agree with you! I was just being diplomatic in my response since there is a strong lobby that think it was an easy chance. I think if he had managed to beat the keeper it would have gone down as a memorable strike and we would have been buzzing about it all week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corsacar saint Posted 29 February, 2012 Share Posted 29 February, 2012 Agree with you totally Dave,the angle the way the ball came back off Green and the way he was running in,gave him no chance to open his body up for a simple tap in. I did not play football above a pretty low level by the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilf Posted 29 February, 2012 Share Posted 29 February, 2012 Sorry, but from where I was stood it was a pretty easy chance; for a natural goalscorer there was plenty of time to adjust and hit it straight, which would have sent it in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 29 February, 2012 Share Posted 29 February, 2012 Sorry, but from where I was stood it was a pretty easy chance; for a natural goalscorer there was plenty of time to adjust and hit it straight, which would have sent it in. And from where Billy Sharp was running in full pelt it was difficult, that's the difference. To even make a remark that there was plenty of time shows a total lack of football understanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JibMcdo Posted 29 February, 2012 Share Posted 29 February, 2012 And from where Billy Sharp was running in full pelt it was difficult, that's the difference. To even make a remark that there was plenty of time shows a total lack of football understanding. Get off your high horse. He should have scored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 29 February, 2012 Share Posted 29 February, 2012 There is absolutely no doubt that he should have scored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 29 February, 2012 Share Posted 29 February, 2012 (edited) No two ways about it - it was a poor miss. When Lallana hit the shot, Sharp was hovering on the edge of the box. He had time to anticipate that the keeper might spill the ball and figure out where it might go. Yes the save came at him and he was running in but it was hardly smashed back in his path and given his starting position, its not as if he saw the ball at the last moment. Now compare that with Reid's miss a few mins before where he blasted the ball over the bar. There he genuinely saw the ball at the last moment as it came through a crowded 6 yard box, wasn't anticipating the ball and had no time to adjust. That was a difficult chance; Sharp's was not straightforward but it was much easier and for CF rather than CB he should have buried it. Edited 29 February, 2012 by shurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceandfriendly Posted 1 March, 2012 Share Posted 1 March, 2012 (edited) And from where Billy Sharp was running in full pelt it was difficult, that's the difference. To even make a remark that there was plenty of time shows a total lack of football understanding. Sorry, no. Even Billy admitted himself he should have scored. Because, let's be honest he should have scored. Yes it came back to him quickly, but that happens often, and a lot of the time those chances are taken. But that's nothing away from Billy Sharp, think he'll do really well for us and I was very pleased as was everyone when he signed. Edited 1 March, 2012 by niceandfriendly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 1 March, 2012 Share Posted 1 March, 2012 (edited) I thought it was a p1ss-easy chance at the time, but could see how he missed it from watching the replay. He still should have scored though, if he couldn't put it in from the rebound he should have cushioned it and buried it. As others have said, he didn't get the chance to turn his body or legs to direct the rebound anywhere other than straight back where it came, though it wasn't exactly the lightning-fast ricochet some have suggested, it was quick enough that he couldn't quite adjust, and couldn't use his left as he was planted on it. I don't doubt he's going to turn into a good player for us though, he's just been a bit unlucky so far - even his presence and movement have made us look like much more of a threat and he's given defences something other than Lambert to worry about, which again creates more opportunities just from pulling defences about. From seeing both of them, Lee has "Ormerod energy" and we love him for it, Sharp looks only slightly off the pace but doesn't have so many adjustments to make to his game to fit in. Oh, and yeah, I did get paid to play as a striker for about 6 years if we're having a "show us your medals" discussion about who's allowed to comment... Edited 1 March, 2012 by The9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 1 March, 2012 Share Posted 1 March, 2012 I thought it was a p1ss-easy chance at the time, but could see how he missed it from watching the replay. He still should have scored though, if he couldn't put it in from the rebound he should have cushioned it and buried it. As others have said, he didn't get the chance to turn his body or legs to direct the rebound anywhere other than straight back where it came, though it wasn't exactly the lightning-fast ricochet some have suggested, it was quick enough that he couldn't quite adjust, and couldn't use his left as he was planted on it. I don't doubt he's going to turn into a good player for us though, he's just been a bit unlucky so far - even his presence and movement have made us look like much more of a threat and he's given defences something other than Lambert to worry about, which again creates more opportunities just from pulling defences about. From seeing both of them, Lee has "Ormerod energy" and we love him for it, Sharp looks only slightly off the pace but doesn't have so many adjustments to make to his game to fit in. Oh, and yeah, I did get paid to play as a striker for about 6 years if we're having a "show us your medals" discussion about who's allowed to comment... And your comments show you realised the problems. Should he have scored, I haven't a clue, but it wasn't easy to react, a pace back or forward and it would have been a tap in, but in exactly the position he was he wasn't able to react quickly enough, I've been there and by the sounds of it so have you. The pal I sit with, was widely recognised as the best player in his era not playing full time professional football (By choice I would add) in the Southern area, he like me only saw the replay and also felt that it just didn't fall right making it a half chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfc4prem Posted 1 March, 2012 Share Posted 1 March, 2012 I was in the Trevor Brooking Lower tier, basically right infront of me was the miss. My god, it was bad. He almost stumbled into it from what i remember. Had the goal at his mercy and directed it to the only place Green could've saved it. His reaction suggests he knows he should have scored. but we move on, and I'm sure Billy will start banging them in soon enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 1 March, 2012 Share Posted 1 March, 2012 And your comments show you realised the problems. Should he have scored, I haven't a clue, but it wasn't easy to react, a pace back or forward and it would have been a tap in, but in exactly the position he was he wasn't able to react quickly enough, I've been there and by the sounds of it so have you. The pal I sit with, was widely recognised as the best player in his era not playing full time professional football (By choice I would add) in the Southern area, he like me only saw the replay and also felt that it just didn't fall right making it a half chance. Sure as hell looked like he should have scored in the ground at the time though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 1 March, 2012 Share Posted 1 March, 2012 he like me only saw the replay and also felt that it just didn't fall right making it a half chance.it wasn't a tap in, but it was more than a half chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeShmoe Posted 1 March, 2012 Share Posted 1 March, 2012 I think too he's been carrying some niggles so lets give him a few weeks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 1 March, 2012 Share Posted 1 March, 2012 I was in the Trevor Brooking Lower tier, basically right infront of me was the miss. My god, it was bad. He almost stumbled into it from what i remember. Had the goal at his mercy and directed it to the only place Green could've saved it. His reaction suggests he knows he should have scored. but we move on, and I'm sure Billy will start banging them in soon enough. So you mean you were in the away end? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wild-saint Posted 1 March, 2012 Share Posted 1 March, 2012 To be fair to billy although he missed he was the only saints player who reacted to the save ad was in a position to turn it. At least his instincts were right even if his touch let him down on that occasion. Don't remember too many goals being scored this season from rebounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 1 March, 2012 Share Posted 1 March, 2012 Very intelligent player - his off the ball movement is superb but as others have said he isn't "Saints Fit". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 1 March, 2012 Share Posted 1 March, 2012 I'd imagine it's fairly certain he'll start on Saturday and although I've been at all the games he's played in so far, I'm still excited to see him in a saints shirt and can't wait for him to really get going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfc4prem Posted 1 March, 2012 Share Posted 1 March, 2012 So you mean you were in the away end? Yeh, but wasn't their a tier above with saints fans in? either way my post was correct.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 1 March, 2012 Share Posted 1 March, 2012 The replays make it look harder than it was - in part because the cameras were tracking Lallana and picked Sharp up only at the last moment. That made it look like the ball came at him point blank; but that wasn't wholly the case. Another case of where you had to be there to see the whole phase of the play unfold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 1 March, 2012 Share Posted 1 March, 2012 It is quite obvious that the people on here that dismiss the chance that came back off Green at West Ham as easy have never played at any level. I had heard that it was an easy chance into an open goal but when I saw the chance it was nothing of the sort. The ball hit Green and came back off him like a bullet, Sharp was running in and had no time to adjust to get his boot to the ball, it really just hit him and deflected back towards goal. The fact that Green was on the ground and the goal was open was irrelevant as Sharp had no chance to set himself. It was a difficult chance and would have needed a lucky bounce off him to go in. No was right by it, it was easy, ball wasnt fast at all and green was on the floor, sharp had 3/4 of goal to aim at, dont rewrite history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 1 March, 2012 Share Posted 1 March, 2012 Dont really like to drag it up again, but Billy had other rather more pressing things on his mind at the time of the west ham game. Cant blame him at all for a slightly off match in the circumstances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 2 March, 2012 Share Posted 2 March, 2012 Dont really like to drag it up again, but Billy had other rather more pressing things on his mind at the time of the west ham game. Cant blame him at all for a slightly off match in the circumstances. Excuse my ignorance but what would that be then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paris Posted 2 March, 2012 Share Posted 2 March, 2012 @ Window extremely nasty and vicous massages re him on Twitter ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 2 March, 2012 Share Posted 2 March, 2012 @ Window extremely nasty and vicous massages re him on Twitter ..... weren't those after or during the game though? I mean if he's reading Twitter when he's supposed to be playing well I can see why he missed a reasonable chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 2 March, 2012 Share Posted 2 March, 2012 I'm sure he's used to complete imbeciles harping on about the tragedy with his son by now, he's not even on twitter, is he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 2 March, 2012 Share Posted 2 March, 2012 No was right by it, it was easy, ball wasnt fast at all and green was on the floor, sharp had 3/4 of goal to aim at, dont rewrite history. It does help if it is physically possible for him to aim at the 3/4 of the goal that was open, given his body position of course, which it wasn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Bob Posted 2 March, 2012 Share Posted 2 March, 2012 (edited) I'm sure he's used to complete imbeciles harping on about the tragedy with his son by now, he's not even on twitter, is he? Yes he is on Twitter. @billysharp10 Edited 2 March, 2012 by Son of Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 2 March, 2012 Share Posted 2 March, 2012 Dont really like to drag it up again, but Billy had other rather more pressing things on his mind at the time of the west ham game. Cant blame him at all for a slightly off match in the circumstances. @ Window extremely nasty and vicous massages re him on Twitter ..... Those were after the game. Besides, even if it had been before - we're not talking about his overall performance here, we're talking about one moment of instinctual reaction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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