spyinthesky Posted 26 February, 2012 Share Posted 26 February, 2012 Watching his performance today made me ponder on the fact that, in monetary terms, he is 'worth' 35 Lamberts!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jawillwill Posted 26 February, 2012 Share Posted 26 February, 2012 Liverpool paid £35m for Carroll. Saints paid ~£1m for Lambert. 35/1=35. Therefore in monetary terms, Carroll is worth 35 times more than Lambert. But Lambert is a better player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cellone Posted 26 February, 2012 Share Posted 26 February, 2012 He is a flouncy lump of over protected future England hero along with 'arry and maulon king. Lambert adds something to a team. At £20,000,000 Lambert would be a bargain to the scousers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monk Posted 26 February, 2012 Share Posted 26 February, 2012 He is a ****ing ugly privck as well as a poor footballer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 26 February, 2012 Share Posted 26 February, 2012 The value of players goes up exponentially with the leagues. Top League 2 striker (eg. Le Fondre) - £500k Top League 1 striker (eg. Lambert) - £1m Top Championship striker (rumoured bids for J Rod, Maynard etc.) - £5m Top Premier League striker - £20m and upwards Top Champs League striker - £35m, £50m, £80m etc. You can't really make comparisons for prices and different leagues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint in winchester Posted 26 February, 2012 Share Posted 26 February, 2012 Well, well, I had exactly the same thought watching him this afternoon and pondered relative values. £35M ... oh dear, not worth £3.5M based on his performance today. Rickie Lambert cost £1M and he is 35 times as good as Carroll. Really hope SRL gets to play in the Prem and we can run the rule over him against Prem defenders. I think he will shine even at that level as his movement will make him hard to mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyinthesky Posted 27 February, 2012 Author Share Posted 27 February, 2012 Slightly different slant on this, Anyone remember Luis Suarez playing for Ajax in a pre season Ted Bates trophy game and absolutely murdering out back four at the time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_TOAST Posted 27 February, 2012 Share Posted 27 February, 2012 I don't know why but I really hate Andy Carroll. What's up with what he does at corners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 27 February, 2012 Share Posted 27 February, 2012 I feel sorry for Carroll in some way. Not many ways mind! He was starting his career, had a good albeit unspectacular season in the championship, got promoted, then had a good start to the next season. He never claimed to be a great player, anyone watching closely could see he was about effort and power rather than composure and class. Newcastle played to his strengths. Liverpool overpaid for him by about 27m! Not his fault, he jumped at the move, but expectations were high due to the fee. They don't play to his strengths, he's still a useful strong striker but not a very good footballer, and that's been found out as his performances are analysed in more detail. Liverpool got what they deserved, but not sure he did. Still, limited sympathy with a millionaire pony-tailed footballer. I think you have got that spot on, one of the dangers of a big club paying mega bucks for a largely unproven striker (at Prem level anyway). Having said that I would have Rickie any day over him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabrone Posted 27 February, 2012 Share Posted 27 February, 2012 I quite like Carroll, he's a pretty effective striker if you play him correctly. Plenty of balls in from the wings and he'll create chaos in the opposition's box. Not his fault Liverpool paid a mad fee for him and don't play to his strengths thus lowering his confidence. He's no Pele but he's decent at what he does. However does make you think how much Ricky would be worth if we were to sell him? Guess his age would go very much against him now in terms of cash value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 27 February, 2012 Share Posted 27 February, 2012 I quite like Carroll, he's a pretty effective striker if you play him correctly. Plenty of balls in from the wings and he'll create chaos in the opposition's box. Not his fault Liverpool paid a mad fee for him and don't play to his strengths thus lowering his confidence. He's no Pele but he's decent at what he does. Well I can't claim to have seen much of him other than what I've seen on telly, but yesterday was a pretty poor display by him and it was even picked up by the commentators that at times when, as a striker, you would expect to see him busting a gut to get into the box and get on the end of something, he was often languishing on the edge of the area with seemingly no urgency about him at all. Now, we know that Lambert pulls out wide and often doesn't get into the box but his link-up play is so much better than anything I've seen from Carroll, and if the one thing that Carroll is supposed to do is 'cause chaos' in the box then he really has no excuse IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 27 February, 2012 Share Posted 27 February, 2012 The value of players goes up exponentially with the leagues. Top League 2 striker (eg. Le Fondre) - £500k Top League 1 striker (eg. Lambert) - £1m Top Championship striker (rumoured bids for J Rod, Maynard etc.) - £5m Top Premier League striker - £20m and upwards Top Champs League striker - £35m, £50m, £80m etc. You can't really make comparisons for prices and different leagues. When was Carroll either a top premier league or champions league striker? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 27 February, 2012 Share Posted 27 February, 2012 Hehe. I was commenting all through the match that Liverpool would have done better with Lambert. The missus eventually got the hump and started all the "one man team" bolox. But, as in so many of the contests we have, particularly on football, I am right and she is wrong. Lambert's scoring for fun, and I back him to do just the same in the Prem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesb Posted 27 February, 2012 Share Posted 27 February, 2012 Thinking about this today also. Carroll = Long haired carthorse. Plays a game from another era. Lambert = Short haired goal machine. Plays in a very modern fluid way linking up and operating all through the front positions. I back him to at least do a Grant Holt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 27 February, 2012 Share Posted 27 February, 2012 (edited) Andy Carroll has played to date 155 senior games (since 2006) and scored only 59 goals (many of them last season) all in Prem. Ricky Lambert has scored 82 goals in 145 games the last 2½ seasons with Saints, and in all 138 goals in 300 games since 2006 It doesn't need anyone else to say that RL got his tally in a lower league,(thats obvious) but just because someone costs £35 million - should he be an automatic choice for England?. If Dalglish thought Carroll was a great CF-he was in a minority of one. AC's predecessor(at Liverpool) was a bigger flop..andonly cost £50 million. I can't see any reason a sane manager wouldn't play the "in-form player" and give Ricky a few games - in friendlies - in games where he will likely use 18 players anyway, just to prove himself. I recall one "brave" England manager (forgot who) played Wolves CF Bull in a few games - when they were the wrong end of Div.2 ...and he scored, too. Past England managers like Venables and Hoddle in the 1990's stubbornly refused to play MLT - when he was clearly the top English goalscorer at that time and all because the Saints were at the lower end of the Premiership. The " incestuous London football mafia " is at it again. Any English player from a London club (and there aren't so many of them)...stands a better chance of getting a game, than does Ricky.! . Edited 27 February, 2012 by david in sweden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 27 February, 2012 Share Posted 27 February, 2012 Liverpool paid £35m for Carroll. Saints paid ~£1m for Lambert. 35/1=35. Therefore in monetary terms, Carroll is worth 35 times more than Lambert. But Lambert is a better player.Thanks for confirming what the OP meant. I am sure we were all struggling before that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 27 February, 2012 Share Posted 27 February, 2012 When was Carroll either a top premier league or champions league striker? He's not, hence he isn't worth £35m. Liverpool thought he was the man to lead the line for a Premier League/Champs League push hence they spent all that money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s0108787 Posted 27 February, 2012 Share Posted 27 February, 2012 TNT Liverpool only paid what they did for Carroll because they fleeced Chelsea. The real losers in the transfers were Chelsea, the winners; Newcastle. Liverpool were in a no lose situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s0108787 Posted 27 February, 2012 Share Posted 27 February, 2012 tbf - bloody predictive text! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 27 February, 2012 Share Posted 27 February, 2012 tbf - bloody predictive text! I think I might add that qualifier to any particularly explosive posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 27 February, 2012 Share Posted 27 February, 2012 someone said to me today if Carroll was 4 inches shorter he would not be called a footballer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry the Badger Posted 28 February, 2012 Share Posted 28 February, 2012 My Liverpool supporting mate quite likes him, looking beyond the fee. The trouble is the second you remember what they paid for him it's impossible to feel he's ever going to do that fee justice without a massive technical improvement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwsaint Posted 28 February, 2012 Share Posted 28 February, 2012 Lambert has improved hugely since he came to Saints. He is fitter, much more mobile and his all round game has improved. Huge credit to NA and the backroom staff. Will definitely be fine in the Premier League, assuming that we get there this season. Only problem is that he has just turned 30. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 28 February, 2012 Share Posted 28 February, 2012 Andy Carroll has played to date 155 senior games (since 2006) and scored only 59 goals (many of them last season) all in Prem. Ricky Lambert has scored 82 goals in 145 games the last 2½ seasons with Saints, and in all 138 goals in 300 games since 2006 It doesn't need anyone else to say that RL got his tally in a lower league,(thats obvious) but just because someone costs £35 million - should he be an automatic choice for England?. If Dalglish thought Carroll was a great CF-he was in a minority of one. AC's predecessor(at Liverpool) was a bigger flop..andonly cost £50 million. I can't see any reason a sane manager wouldn't play the "in-form player" and give Ricky a few games - in friendlies - in games where he will likely use 18 players anyway, just to prove himself. I recall one "brave" England manager (forgot who) played Wolves CF Bull in a few games - when they were the wrong end of Div.2 ...and he scored, too. Past England managers like Venables and Hoddle in the 1990's stubbornly refused to play MLT - when he was clearly the top English goalscorer at that time and all because the Saints were at the lower end of the Premiership. The " incestuous London football mafia " is at it again. Any English player from a London club (and there aren't so many of them)...stands a better chance of getting a game, than does Ricky.! . What a load of Rubbish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draino76 Posted 28 February, 2012 Share Posted 28 February, 2012 I'm glad Ricky is 30. If he were 25 this season, he'd be at Liverpool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Bob Posted 28 February, 2012 Share Posted 28 February, 2012 I can say, without the slightest hint of bull****, that I would rather have RL playing for us at the moment than Carroll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 28 February, 2012 Share Posted 28 February, 2012 I can say, without the slightest hint of bull****, that I would rather have RL playing for us at the moment than Carroll. Yes quite agree Apart from Ron Davies who was the best CF in Europe after joining SFC I think Lambert has been our best signing in the past forty years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 28 February, 2012 Share Posted 28 February, 2012 was Ron really that good when we signed him...and that good when he played..? good stuff if true (which I am sure) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 28 February, 2012 Share Posted 28 February, 2012 I said he became the best CF in Europe after joining us so I think he was the best signing but Lambert has been extremely good too Ron was joint top goal-scorer 1967–68, along with George Best. On 16 August 1969 he scored four goals, all headed, in a match against Manchester United at Old Trafford, Matt Busby said that Davies had no peer in Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 28 February, 2012 Share Posted 28 February, 2012 I can say, without the slightest hint of bull****, that I would rather have RL playing for us at the moment than Carroll. Agree. What WOULD be interesting is IF Adkins (and his team) were given 2 years of working with Carroll whether he would actually improve as much as Rickie has. Taking Rickie's perfromances in the nPc this season, the nearest equivalent player I can think of to compare him to is Alan Shearer. Shearer's contribution to build up play and ability to score screamers, penalties and scappy goals. Compare Rickie at the same age as Carroll and I think we would pick Carroll (just). But I think the key ingredients (as NA said on Saturday) has been Rickie's attitude & appetite to improve and the coaches he has around him to bring that out of him. Can RL perform in the PL? Playing for us in a style where we play to his strengths? Hell yes. Playing for someone else? Doubt it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 28 February, 2012 Share Posted 28 February, 2012 I said he became the best CF in Europe after joining us so I think he was the best signing but Lambert has been extremely good too Ron was joint top goal-scorer 1967–68, along with George Best. On 16 August 1969 he scored four goals, all headed, in a match against Manchester United at Old Trafford, Matt Busby said that Davies had no peer in Europe. I work with a fella who claims to have played with Ron during his time at the LA Aztecs. Nothing but praise for the man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capitalsaint Posted 28 February, 2012 Share Posted 28 February, 2012 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/england/9110507/With-Wayne-Rooney-and-Darren-Bent-out-of-action-which-strikers-should-England-start-Euro-2012-with.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 28 February, 2012 Share Posted 28 February, 2012 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/england/9110507/With-Wayne-Rooney-and-Darren-Bent-out-of-action-which-strikers-should-England-start-Euro-2012-with.html Well 1/10 isn't bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 28 February, 2012 Share Posted 28 February, 2012 lambert is a legend.. I pray we go up, or he will be gone..and I would not blame him. could see a bid from everton, fulham, stoke, villa etc should we not go up.. I would hate seeing Sir rickie at another club but he would go with all of our best wishes, no doubt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 28 February, 2012 Share Posted 28 February, 2012 You can't really make comparisons for prices and different leagues. Nonsense! Of course you can. Quality is absolute and price should have everything to do with it. Ricky is worth nothing to anybody else 'cos he ain't going anywhere. As for Carroll... Pards is no effing fool is he, if the long-haired geordie bean-pole had been worth £35m Pards would not have let him go in the first place. Think about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 28 February, 2012 Share Posted 28 February, 2012 Nonsense! Of course you can. Quality is absolute and price should have everything to do with it. Ricky is worth nothing to anybody else 'cos he ain't going anywhere. As for Carroll... Pards is no effing fool is he, if the long-haired geordie bean-pole had been worth £35m Pards would not have let him go in the first place. Think about it. you really think he had a choice...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintmatt Posted 28 February, 2012 Share Posted 28 February, 2012 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/england/9110507/With-Wayne-Rooney-and-Darren-Bent-out-of-action-which-strikers-should-England-start-Euro-2012-with.html there's a poll to rig there.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 28 February, 2012 Share Posted 28 February, 2012 A scouser mate of mine texted me a couple of weeks back. "Spielbergs making a sequel to Warhorse. Their filming it at Anfield, and its called Carthorse" He also reckons Carroll is utter shlte, but I have to agree with those above saying its hardly his fault if Liverpool overpaid massively for him. Which they did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 28 February, 2012 Share Posted 28 February, 2012 Only 3 strikers in the England squad, none of them have scored for the NT. Sturridge, Welbeck and Campbell. The latter has 2 goals in 6 appearances this season, surely with such disappointing options up front someone like Lambert would have been worth a shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ampersound Posted 28 February, 2012 Share Posted 28 February, 2012 Rickie probably won't even get a looking in if we were in the prem. more to do with playing for unfashionable club. This is why most of the bottom half clubs in the prem don't have that many players in the NT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 28 February, 2012 Share Posted 28 February, 2012 there's a poll to rig there.. Well, he's only 1% behind Andy Carroll now and above Frazier Campbell. C'mon gang what you waiting for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danbert Posted 28 February, 2012 Share Posted 28 February, 2012 there's a poll to rig there.. Lets not make prats of ourselves - much as I love Rickie Lambert I don't think he should be going to the Euros ahead of many of the strikers on that list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 28 February, 2012 Share Posted 28 February, 2012 I'm glad Ricky is 30. If he were 25 this season, he'd be at Liverpool. I think this is the most important Lambert stat of all. Huddersfield said he was too old at 28 to take a punt on, as his resale value would be poor. Now he's 30, I still think we'd recoup more than what we paid for him, and quite a bit more to boot. Our chances of keeping hold of him are boosted because of his age - and yet I reckon he still has a good 5 years at the top level ahead of him. He loves it here, we love him, I can see him retiring with us. As for Lambert over Carroll? No thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aardvark Posted 29 February, 2012 Share Posted 29 February, 2012 Liverpool paid £35m for Carroll. Saints paid ~£1m for Lambert. 35/1=35. Therefore in monetary terms, Carroll is worth 35 times more than Lambert. But Lambert is a better player. I think that you're confusing the words "worth" and "cost". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted 29 February, 2012 Share Posted 29 February, 2012 Well, he's only 1% behind Andy Carroll now and above Frazier Campbell. C'mon gang what you waiting for? Done my bit... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 29 February, 2012 Share Posted 29 February, 2012 I think this is the most important Lambert stat of all. Huddersfield said he was too old at 28 to take a punt on, as his resale value would be poor. Now he's 30, I still think we'd recoup more than what we paid for him, and quite a bit more to boot. Our chances of keeping hold of him are boosted because of his age - and yet I reckon he still has a good 5 years at the top level ahead of him. He loves it here, we love him, I can see him retiring with us. As for Lambert over Carroll? No thanks. Lamberts better for me. Stop being so negative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 29 February, 2012 Share Posted 29 February, 2012 Whoops. Reverse the order of the last sentence. :-S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grod Posted 29 February, 2012 Share Posted 29 February, 2012 Take a look at this http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/england/9110507/With-Wayne-Rooney-and-Darren-Bent-out-of-action-which-strikers-should-England-start-Euro-2012-with.html Vote for SRL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 29 February, 2012 Share Posted 29 February, 2012 No-one can rig a poll quite like the Norwich peeps! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Bob Posted 29 February, 2012 Share Posted 29 February, 2012 I feel sympathy for Carroll. I have no idea why but I do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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