david in sweden Posted 26 February, 2012 Share Posted 26 February, 2012 ....say ...compared to Robert Green? With both Saints and the Hammers playing musical chairs for the top spot, it's fairly clear that we (two) clubs are the best of the top sides in CC. Looking at the League table, I noted that both clubs had conceded 32 goals, (although of course two of Saints' against tally were from Bart's fateful Blackpool game, but the question bodes ...If Green can get his name on the England squad sheet...how close might Kelvin be to following suit ? ..is there so much difference between them? , or has Kelvin just been "lucky" to have good defenders in front of him ?...... I noted recently he 'd had quite a few clean sheets this season ..and another one yesterday.... Obviously Joe Hart has matured enough to get himself the regular England No.1 spot, but could Kelvin be considered for the England bench ..or ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 26 February, 2012 Share Posted 26 February, 2012 no nice thought though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 26 February, 2012 Share Posted 26 February, 2012 Stuart Pearce might want to have a look at dan Harding while he there as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Posted 26 February, 2012 Share Posted 26 February, 2012 Kelvin is a good NPC keeper. Ridiculous to talk about him pushing Rob Green and Joe Hart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 26 February, 2012 Share Posted 26 February, 2012 According to this forum we have three players who should be England internationals. Throw into the mix we were told on here Morgan Schnederlin was putting in world class performances back in our league one days, we've just signed the best striker in Japan, Hooilveld is one do the best centre halves we've ever had and Frazer Richardson and Danny Fox are the new Cafu and Roberto Carlos you really have to question the job Nigel Adkins is doing. We should be have the league won already by now with all this talent as his disposal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 26 February, 2012 Share Posted 26 February, 2012 people really need to calm down....some of these players won't be first teamers 12 months from now should we get promoted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MINIBARCELONASAINT Posted 26 February, 2012 Share Posted 26 February, 2012 Welcome to the Saints Web Forum, where dreams are crushed and conspiracies are made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 26 February, 2012 Author Share Posted 26 February, 2012 people really need to calm down....some of these players won't be first teamers 12 months from now should we get promoted agree with that one.. but the question was about the goalies, though ..and SHOULD be go up, and West Ham falter.....would Green still be considered a better bet that KD?. Of course, RG got the job by default in the first place, as there weren't any other English-born keepers of any stature around ...at that time. Maybe a question to ask again ... come May.! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 26 February, 2012 Author Share Posted 26 February, 2012 According to this forum we have three players who should be England internationals. Throw into the mix we were told on here Morgan Schnederlin was putting in world class performances back in our league one days, we've just signed the best striker in Japan, Hooilveld is one do the best centre halves we've ever had and Frazer Richardson and Danny Fox are the new Cafu and Roberto Carlos you really have to question the job Nigel Adkins is doing. We should be have the league won already by now with all this talent as his disposal. not by me they weren't. If I was Stuart Pearce, I'd be looking to bring Paul Scholes back in the England squad again..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEVMAN Posted 26 February, 2012 Share Posted 26 February, 2012 Just sbout sums this forum up at times, full of fecking anorakes that havn`t got a clue at times but you have to laugh to keep sane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericb Posted 26 February, 2012 Share Posted 26 February, 2012 Just sbout sums this forum up at times, full of fecking anorakes that havn`t got a clue at times but you have to laugh to keep sane. The lack of football knowledge on here is ****ing shocking to be honest. Personally i put it down to the fact that there's too many that would rather play the game on the computer instead of actually playing the game. Fat messes of internet anoraks who concentrate on statistics and don't realise there's more to the game than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitch01 Posted 26 February, 2012 Share Posted 26 February, 2012 Very decent goalkeeper but I think we would need better were we to go up. Also worth noting that he's been a fantastic professional in his time here, he could have jumped ship to WHU and chose not to. There would be a very nice symmetry to his time with us were we to go up this season, he was brought he expecting a promotion season, has been through an awful lot since and it would be amazing to finally get there. He will never play for England, I make him 12th-15th choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dellman Posted 26 February, 2012 Share Posted 26 February, 2012 If Robt Green is good enough for England then so is Kelvin. The trouble is it's a sad day if Green is good enough or Carson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 26 February, 2012 Share Posted 26 February, 2012 people really need to calm down....some of these players won't be first teamers 12 months from now should we get promoted A bit of reality here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 26 February, 2012 Share Posted 26 February, 2012 been a decent loyal keeper for Saints, however is height will always be an issue which means he does not command the area as well as others Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trader Posted 26 February, 2012 Share Posted 26 February, 2012 If we go up and Blackburn get relegated I can see NA making a bid for Paul Robinson. The fact that he's conceded 59 goals and has no clean sheets this season does not make him a bad keeper. He is very experienced at PL level and still young enough to give years of service. I'd still retain Kelvin and Bart though and pay off Forecast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 26 February, 2012 Share Posted 26 February, 2012 I'd put him in the top 10 keepers in the Championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 26 February, 2012 Share Posted 26 February, 2012 Kelvin Davis is certainly a good keeper - but I reckon Rob Green may be even better. Interesting factoid (if true) on the Radio yesterday - Saints have not lost a game this season when Jos Hooiveld is playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 26 February, 2012 Share Posted 26 February, 2012 If Robt Green is good enough for England then so is Kelvin. The trouble is it's a sad day if Green is good enough or Carson Now this is an opinion I can agree with. Green is a better technical Keeper than Kelvin BUT IMHO it is his "inside his head" where he is not England Quality. Kelvin's head is far more "screwed on" in a game than Green, so yes IF Green can make the squad then KD could also make the squad. That however is not me saying they are both England Quality Keepers, it is me saying that NEITHER are England Quality Keepers. Now, back to the real argument. If Emile Heskey can play for England, why not Rickie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not On My Watch Posted 26 February, 2012 Share Posted 26 February, 2012 If we go up and Blackburn get relegated I can see NA making a bid for Paul Robinson. The fact that he's conceded 59 goals and has no clean sheets this season does not make him a bad keeper. He is very experienced at PL level and still young enough to give years of service. I'd still retain Kelvin and Bart though and pay off Forecast. Robinson has been awful this season. The Blackburn defence looked better when Bunn was in goal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 26 February, 2012 Share Posted 26 February, 2012 If we go up and Blackburn get relegated I can see NA making a bid for Paul Robinson. The fact that he's conceded 59 goals and has no clean sheets this season does not make him a bad keeper. He is very experienced at PL level and still young enough to give years of service. I'd still retain Kelvin and Bart though and pay off Forecast. I'd expect us to go for a young up and coming goal keeper, similar to what Swansea did with Vorm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 26 February, 2012 Share Posted 26 February, 2012 Kelvin Davis is certainly a good keeper - but I reckon Rob Green may be even better. Interesting factoid (if true) on the Radio yesterday - Saints have not lost a game this season when Jos Hooiveld is playing. That is utter ******, I can think of three off the top of my head he has played in when we lost. cardiff away and he was at fault for one of their goals, Brighton away and Bristol City at home. I've just checked and you can add Doncaster, Bristol city away and Leicster to that list as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 26 February, 2012 Author Share Posted 26 February, 2012 (edited) Very decent goalkeeper but I think we would need better were we to go up. Also worth noting that he's been a fantastic professional in his time here, he could have jumped ship to WHU and chose not to. There would be a very nice symmetry to his time with us were we to go up this season, he was brought he expecting a promotion season, has been through an awful lot since and it would be amazing to finally get there. He will never play for England, I make him 12th-15th choice. I respect your opinion, but I don't think there are 12-15 ENGLISH-born keepers in the Prem.+ Championship put together...who have enough experience. Edited 26 February, 2012 by david in sweden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannysfc Posted 26 February, 2012 Share Posted 26 February, 2012 Watching the FL Show last night they were saying that the two Best keepers at the moment were Rob Green n Julian Speroni But how is he better than Kelvin at the moment as I would go for Kelvin IMHO!?! But there we go! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 26 February, 2012 Share Posted 26 February, 2012 Solid keeper, but never will we see him in and England shirt as a Saints player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 26 February, 2012 Share Posted 26 February, 2012 A good reaction shot stopper with a very accurate long kick. Poor on crosses, commanding the goal area, communication, distribution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 26 February, 2012 Share Posted 26 February, 2012 If Robt Green is good enough for England then so is Kelvin. The trouble is it's a sad day if Green is good enough or CarsonThe trouble is there are very few quality English goalkeepers these days. Hart is international class and Green and Carson, who are probably the next best 2 and therefore claim the England jersey are decent club keepers but not international class. IMO Kelvin comes a long way down the list and will/should never play for England. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 26 February, 2012 Share Posted 26 February, 2012 Surprised Sean Ruddy hasn't been given a chance in the England squad. Our keepers after Hart are not great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 26 February, 2012 Share Posted 26 February, 2012 He's a decent keeper, but nothing too special. He's got his faults. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitch01 Posted 26 February, 2012 Share Posted 26 February, 2012 [/b] I respect your opinion, but I don't think there are 12-15 ENGLISH-born keepers in the Prem.+ Championship put together...who have enough experience. There are. Off the top of my head: Hart Carson Stockdale Green Fielding Westwood Robinson Green Foster Forster Gilks Camp Ruddy Heaton Davis, like I said, around 12th choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 26 February, 2012 Share Posted 26 February, 2012 A good reaction shot stopper with a very accurate long kick. Poor on crosses, commanding the goal area, communication, distribution. A fair summary. I would question whether he is anything more than lower Championship level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cobbysouth Posted 27 February, 2012 Share Posted 27 February, 2012 ricky lambert was thought of as a player that wouldnt cope with the championship! look at him now! why wont kelvin do the same! there a good team and we need to get behind ALL of them!!!!! COYR!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 27 February, 2012 Share Posted 27 February, 2012 Kelvin is a good NPC keeper. Ridiculous to talk about him pushing Rob Green and Joe Hart Agree. We'll need to invest in a good Prem keeper fairly soon. I'd favour old experienced pro typology, a la Friedel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimond Geezer Posted 27 February, 2012 Share Posted 27 February, 2012 ricky lambert was thought of as a player that wouldnt cope with the championship! look at him now! why wont kelvin do the same! there a good team and we need to get behind ALL of them!!!!! COYR!!! Because 6-7 years ago he played behind one of the worst defences ever to grace the premiership, if some posters on here are to be believed every goal that he's conceeded is entirely his fault, & in those 6-7 years he hasn't improved or matured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 27 February, 2012 Share Posted 27 February, 2012 people really need to calm down....some of these players won't be first teamers 12 months from now should we get promoted I'm pretty sure KD won't be one of them though he is club captain and NA seems to value his contribution to the team in the dressing room and off pitch added to which he is a decent keeper not world class or anything but still decent. I really don't see NA making wholesale changes to the team if we go up to the PL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
svetigpung Posted 27 February, 2012 Share Posted 27 February, 2012 This thread seems to highlight the lack of good english keepers nowdays. We use to be world leaders for quality men between the posts. What worries me (as an england supporter) is what happens when Hart gets injured. Mr.Green is one big liability. KD is great for Saints (on and off the pitch) but definately NOT an international. Not saying he's any worse than Green though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southamptonfclegend Posted 27 February, 2012 Share Posted 27 February, 2012 Kelvin is nowhere near internantional standard, even mentioning him in the category has made me question your judgement, if we go up I'd be very dissapointed if he's still our number 1 goalkeeper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabrone Posted 27 February, 2012 Share Posted 27 February, 2012 Kelvin is fine but Green is a much better keeper. I'd have him in a shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anothersaintinsouthsea Posted 27 February, 2012 Share Posted 27 February, 2012 The fact that this thread has been started says more about Rob Green and the state of English goalkeeping than it does about anything else. I'd suggest that KD is a good Championship goalkeeper but not sure that he is quite Premier League class. I don't think Green is much better but to be honest how many of us have seen enough West Ham games to be a good judge of Green? My opinion is based on his handful of calamitous England appearances and catching MOTD highlights of him last season - not at all impressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 27 February, 2012 Share Posted 27 February, 2012 ....say ...compared to Robert Green? With both Saints and the Hammers playing musical chairs for the top spot, it's fairly clear that we (two) clubs are the best of the top sides in CC. Looking at the League table, I noted that both clubs had conceded 32 goals, (although of course two of Saints' against tally were from Bart's fateful Blackpool game, but the question bodes ...If Green can get his name on the England squad sheet...how close might Kelvin be to following suit ? ..is there so much difference between them? , or has Kelvin just been "lucky" to have good defenders in front of him ?...... I noted recently he 'd had quite a few clean sheets this season ..and another one yesterday.... Obviously Joe Hart has matured enough to get himself the regular England No.1 spot, but could Kelvin be considered for the England bench ..or ? Kelvin is a super - loyal - ambassador and shot stopper. He goes down as a real Saint. Is he better than Green? No. Do we have a Goalkeeping problem at Saints if we promote to the Premier League? Just a bit. Bart is not good enough. Kelvin is borderline at best. Top bloke, but my first priority in the Summer transfer market if I were NC and Adkins would be to buy a decent keeper with Kelvin moving in as back-up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marsdinho Posted 27 February, 2012 Share Posted 27 February, 2012 I'd expect us to go for a young up and coming goal keeper, similar to what Swansea did with Vorm. Alex Smithies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxstone Posted 27 February, 2012 Share Posted 27 February, 2012 Kelvin is fine but Green is a much better keeper. I'd have him in a shot. I disagree, I prefer Kelvin over Green anyday of the week. Kelvin's a bloody good Pro and a good and loyal servant to the club - is he Prem class, yes of course he is, but I concur that we must now start to consider real competition for him as our number 1 - And sadly that ain't Bart! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 27 February, 2012 Author Share Posted 27 February, 2012 ocThe fact that this thread has been started says more about Rob Green and the state of English goalkeeping than it does about anything else. I'd suggest that KD is a good Championship goalkeeper but not sure that he is quite Premier League class. I don't think Green is much better but to be honest how many of us have seen enough West Ham games to be a good judge of Green? My opinion is based on his handful of calamitous England appearances and catching MOTD highlights of him last season - not at all impressive. ........think you've come closest to original meaning in post #1. I don't think that there is any real competition for the England 1 spot, as Joe Hart (though hardly great) is clearly the best available by a country mile. Upon seeing Green's name as an alternative, I asked myself how much difference there was between KD and RG? . Is Green really THAT much better? I agree with most on here that neither of them is really much better than CC standard, but any goalie both south of the border must fancy his chances of playing for England - one day - such is the poor standard of "English-born goalie-candidates" . We've often complained about the lack of English managers in Prem. clubs..but I think the search for an international standard English GK is even tougher. Maybe we can find an Irishman ...with an English grandmother who might fit the bill ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pierre Posted 27 February, 2012 Share Posted 27 February, 2012 Have seen this guy play blinders this season: Jeroen Zoet, RKC Waalwijk, 20 yrs old. Downside is he's owned by PSV apparently which could make him harder to sign... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 27 February, 2012 Author Share Posted 27 February, 2012 (edited) Do we have a Goalkeeping problem at Saints if we promote to the Premier League? Just a bit. Bart is not good enough. Kelvin is borderline at best. ............. if I were NC and Adkins would be to buy a decent keeper with Kelvin moving in as back-up. I wrote this several months ago, when some people were questioning KD's "longevity " as GK, and that we ought to play Bart a bit more ..well we did ! regardless of the merits of the (two Saints gk's concerned - I'm excluding Tommy FFS) ...if you look at the majority of Prem. sides you see that many of them have ONE ..if not TWO ínternational goalies.....Like everyone else, I can only find superlatives to express about KD, who stayed at the club when the ship was sinking and all the lifeboats seemed to have gone...(great guy-very loyal )...but longer term...we need TWO top-rate goalies to stay up in the Prem. SHOT IN THE DARK..like many other I looked at the many U-Tube inserts about T.Lee after he moved here BUT having watched a longer version of that Asian Cup Final, I noticed that at 90 minutes, the scoreline was 0-0....and the Japanese keeper..(unpronouncibly Japanese) ...played a blinder before Lee came on and won the game for them. He looked very big, very angry and very much in control of his territory, and made a couple of unbelievable saves, too. Come back in August ...maybe ..If so you heard it here first !. Edited 27 February, 2012 by david in sweden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 27 February, 2012 Share Posted 27 February, 2012 Pearce was here the other day, probably eying "Adz" Lallana but maybe Ricky too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 27 February, 2012 Share Posted 27 February, 2012 Rob Green is a better keeper, come on. I love Kelvin, and he's been a fantastic servant to this club, but his game is not good enough for international football. He's easily one of the best shot-stoppers in the league, and his reflexes can be excellent at times as well, but he lacks height and strength to be dominant from corners and his distribution isn't amazing either. I think he'll make an excellent coach or manager in the future, and I hope we keep him on after he retires - or even give him a Player/Coach job next season if we decide to bring in a younger keeper to be 1st choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Gotsmanov Posted 27 February, 2012 Share Posted 27 February, 2012 I like Kelvin but if you speak to Sunderland fans they will tell you that he single handedly got them relegated a few years ago. I think he has matured since then and adds a lot to the team with his presence. I also liked the fact thatb he refused to leave when we got relegated to Div 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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