Avenue Saint Posted 26 February, 2012 Share Posted 26 February, 2012 Mostly the self confessed WUM TDD and you. I'm not exactly going to lose much sleep because you don't have a great opinion of me. In fact, considering the majority of your responses I consider it somewhat of a compliment. Lol... I wouldn't get too disheartened, take it as constructive feedback. There, see...? Turning a negative to a positive!! There's hope still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 26 February, 2012 Share Posted 26 February, 2012 Just how good is he? I had comments from a couple of Watford mates at the game that he seemed a class above (particularily his off the ball movement and his work rate.) They said he'll be in the premier league very soon wither with us or not. Soert of begs the question why no-one has taken a gamble before but he seems to be a great free signing. Thoughts anyone? I think this is partly down to the Cortese-esque way of doing business. i.e. looking beyond Europe and South America ... I seriously wonder if any other English clubs (inkl. all those Prem. sides) actually knew about him..or bothered to enquire, or even take a look at him?. He seems to have enormous potential, and good work-rate ..perhaps the only real question is ..if the eventual culture shock of playing in England will be an over-riding factor in how happy / content he is to stay in England. However, a number of other top clubs seem to have Asian players who have settled in well - so why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 26 February, 2012 Share Posted 26 February, 2012 No one dismissed Jos after a handful of games. They expressed initial reservations based on Celtic fan comments. Big difference. And yet, fools like you, were glorifying Billy Sharp, before he had even kicked a ball in Red and White. You really are a boring troll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 26 February, 2012 Share Posted 26 February, 2012 Mostly the self confessed WUM TDD and you. I'm not exactly going to lose much sleep because you don't have a great opinion of me. In fact, considering the majority of your responses I consider it somewhat of a compliment. And me , but then again, you now have me on ignore due to your inability to face the truth. As for calling someone else a Wum, laugh of the year so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunkenSaint Posted 26 February, 2012 Share Posted 26 February, 2012 Tbh I was not wildly impressed yesterday - he made lots of runs and he was energetic and enthusiastic so fair play there but he didn't actually achieve anything other than win a dubious penalty. He lacks composure and consequently missed a sitter too, but I suppose any striker can do that; just look at Sharp's miss at WHU. For me we will get more out of him as an impact player and when Sharp is fully up to speedand Do Prado recovers from malaria (or whatever his illness is) those two will be better starting options...at least for now. Lee will take a while to settle, it must be a helluva job acclimatising from Tokyo to Watford. Err No thanks, we're playing better without him and would rather have someone who is energetic than lazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 26 February, 2012 Share Posted 26 February, 2012 Also think, the type of player he is, suggests he's potentially the best fit to partner Lambo. I am genuinely excited about this lad and with his pace, anticipate (hopefully!) plenty of goals for both Rickie and him alike! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam Posted 26 February, 2012 Share Posted 26 February, 2012 And me , but then again, you now have me on ignore due to your inability to face the truth. As for calling someone else a Wum, laugh of the year so far. Why are you replying to someone if you know they have you on ignore?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 26 February, 2012 Share Posted 26 February, 2012 Why are you replying to someone if you know they have you on ignore?? For exactly the reason you have aided me on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 26 February, 2012 Share Posted 26 February, 2012 Why are you replying to someone if you know they have you on ignore?? What a complete cretin. Sending someone messages who has them on ignore. Simpleton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 26 February, 2012 Share Posted 26 February, 2012 The more Saints fans that are unimpressed by him initially the better IMO. Gives more pleasure later when he proves people wrong. :-) Yep think he is a cracking signing. Let's face it after the Jos Who?veld reacion, any new signing that creates meh results in his first full start from TSW really will be the next Messi (Note for reference - I think he brings a very good footballing brain to the team and as he settles will become better & better. Billy Sharp was a waste of money because he missed an Open Goal at WHU (even IF the ball came to him very fast. Sharp (once he gets the Adkins Diet going & gets properly On the Bus Fit) will also bring something very strong up front.) Think we have TWO crackers for next season there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
up and away Posted 26 February, 2012 Share Posted 26 February, 2012 You're really not listening are you? Being "unimpressed" is not "writing someone off". Equally, if Lee turns out to be something special (which Victor has not ruled out), he will not have been "proved wrong". We all revise opinions on things constantly - what's wrong with that? Nothing wrong with that at all. I have my own reservations but happy to go with Adkins selections and see how they turn out. I accept some of the negative points but Chung has some positives which definitely make him worth persevering with. He is very quick over 5 yards, has the intelligence but will requires others to pick this out. How many other Saints players can be faced with a defender and goalie from static, simple shimmy and an unstoppable smash into the back of the net. That talent alone can get you a start. Then who works best with Ricky? And at the moment Chung edges that one for me. We won't really get the answer until Billy is fit again and more than happy to see Chung in the squad from the limited we have seen, both positive and negative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 26 February, 2012 Share Posted 26 February, 2012 What a complete cretin. Sending someone messages who has them on ignore. Simpleton. This from the 'man' who doesn't do insults...........Oh! I forgot, we're not allowed to do them to you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 26 February, 2012 Share Posted 26 February, 2012 This from the 'man' who doesn't do insults...........Oh! I forgot, we're not allowed to do them to you what, he never called you a cretin.....what he said is that he likes you and hopes you do well despite his initial concerns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 26 February, 2012 Share Posted 26 February, 2012 Ah nice to see the thread has descended. Think a number of posters are taking The Vapours classic hidden meaning to heart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Gotsmanov Posted 26 February, 2012 Share Posted 26 February, 2012 Not sure about him. I will give him every chance though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 26 February, 2012 Share Posted 26 February, 2012 Ah nice to see the thread has descended. Think a number of posters are taking The Vapours classic hidden meaning to heart Can we not ask the mods to keep the absolute turd that is hypochondriac away from certain threads? I asked him politely earlier to not kill this thread and here we are once again... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 26 February, 2012 Share Posted 26 February, 2012 Not sure about him. I will give him every chance though. To be fair, he's shown a hell of alot more than Sharp in his few fleeting appearances. And has done more than Connolly has done in the last 3 months. He's made a terrific start to life in England IMO. Even neutrals are commenting on what a find he looks to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 26 February, 2012 Share Posted 26 February, 2012 To be fair, he's shown a hell of alot more than Sharp in his few fleeting appearances. And has done more than Connolly has done in the last 3 months. He's made a terrific start to life in England IMO. Even neutrals are commenting on what a find he looks to be. Local Sat Channel is showing Lewis Season 4 ATM. Last night was the one with the bodies in the Chapel & The Manor. At the end of it Lewis says "Between us we make a great Detective" I think Lee & Sharp will be the same. Between them they will make a great PL player. There will be times when the "Chasing Lost Causes" player (bit of a Steve Moran there) will be the right player, but some teams will be able to negate that. So in those games the nudge, nurdle, flick & spin player will come into his own, which we saw from Sharp in the 1st half against Derby. I think the fact that BOTH players will give us options alongside Rickie tactically as well as cover is really important for the rest of this season and (hopefully) next. We should, right now though, be questioning whether Rickie Lambert can make the step up. After all he's just a L1 donkey that can take Penalties..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammysaint Posted 26 February, 2012 Share Posted 26 February, 2012 Lee and Sharp both brought in to offer options with Lambo, depending who we play and there style will depend on who starts and who is sub, unless Lambo is injured. Sharp is proven at this level and im sure in big games will be given the nod, let Lee start the poor teams to adapt and then let him grow over the next 12 months. its good to have Lee Lambo and Sharp as are attack which allows us to have Guly Lallana Puncheon and SDR as wingers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 26 February, 2012 Share Posted 26 February, 2012 Can we not ask the mods to keep the absolute turd that is hypochondriac away from certain threads? I asked him politely earlier to not kill this thread and here we are once again... To be fair, I think that Hypo is only defending himself from attacks by others. As for Lee, I. Think it's far to soon to tell how good he is going to be. It takes time to settle in to a new country, culture and footballing style. Personally I am satisfied with what little I have seen so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 26 February, 2012 Share Posted 26 February, 2012 To be fair, I think that Hypo is only defending himself from attacks by others. Precisely. Whenever I post I get the same three or four posters jumping on it and posting the same ill-informed points and trying to bait me into a reaction. When I counter them, I get accused of killing threads when those same three or four are equally as guilty if not more so because they do it in quite a few of the threads I contribute to. If you are going to rewrite history and post rubbish then I have a write to reply. If you think that kills the thread, then you are just as much to blame. As for Lee, I. Think it's far to soon to tell how good he is going to be. It takes time to settle in to a new country, culture and footballing style. Personally I am satisfied with what little I have seen so far. I quite agree. I think we have to remember that it is a big upheaval to come all the way over here and so I reckon he can only get better. He has contributed well so far and helped us to achieve some impressive results. I like him a lot so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 26 February, 2012 Share Posted 26 February, 2012 Happy with his impact. If you remember back in January a lot of people were worried about whether Lee could contribute straight away, but I think he has done very well considering the massive change he has gone through both on and off the pitch. He definitely offers us something different, and his movement is great. Only minor criticism is that he appears very anxious to impress and that he is snatching at chances instead of playing his natural game. But that will come in time, and I suspect if we are to go up he will be more than playing just a small role (as with Sharp). I can see 20 players contributing considerably - whether selected through tactics, formation, injury, or suspension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aardvark Posted 27 February, 2012 Share Posted 27 February, 2012 To be fair, he's shown a hell of alot more than Sharp in his few fleeting appearances. And has done more than Connolly has done in the last 3 months. He's made a terrific start to life in England IMO. Even neutrals are commenting on what a find he looks to be. Careful! There are some on here who will now jump down your throat and accuse you of "writing off" Sharp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 27 February, 2012 Share Posted 27 February, 2012 Careful! There are some on here who will now jump down your throat and accuse you of "writing off" Sharp. . Indeed... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 27 February, 2012 Share Posted 27 February, 2012 The content from a few posters on this thread reads like a comedy show. Either that or they must have skipped some invaluable classes at school! It's good to read that people on here (mostly the sane) do actually understand that moving clubs can require time to settle in and that the patience and support players need is a basic standard for a supporter at any club. I do also agree that Lee has actually shown more industry than Sharp or Connolly since arriving but in reality we are very blessed to be able to call on the calibre of strikers we now have at the club. Specifically, the trio of Lambert, Lee and Sharp is definitlely not an 'unimpressive' one (lol) but certainly one the envy of many other clubs no doubt! Up the Saints! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor Posted 27 February, 2012 Share Posted 27 February, 2012 It is very simple here, 'Chung' Lee has impressed most, whilst in his own words, Victor, is 'unimpressed' This is hilarious. It is you who is very simple. I have NEVER (capitals to assist the simple-minded) expressed an opinion on Lee. How could I as I have never seen him? I couldn't tell him from Adam (well, I could actually - one is Japanese, the other isn't). I have never said I was unimpressed. I consider him a potentially exciting signing and came on this thread to see what was the initial reaction of those who had seen him. I simply took issue with Trousers who was looking forward to laughing at those who were initially unimpressed when they are "proved wrong". My point is that it is quite easy to be unimpressed by a player's early performances and to later consider them an excellent player. It does not mean you have been "proved wrong", it is merely acknowledging that when players are settling in they can be 'unimpressive' and give a performance that everyone considers unimpressive. This was a general view and not specific to Lee. An apology is not necessary, and, on early evidence, unlikely. I am happy to be proved wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 27 February, 2012 Share Posted 27 February, 2012 This is hilarious. It is you who is very simple. I have NEVER (capitals to assist the simple-minded) expressed an opinion on Lee. How could I as I have never seen him? I couldn't tell him from Adam (well, I could actually - one is Japanese, the other isn't). I have never said I was unimpressed. I consider him a potentially exciting signing and came on this thread to see what was the initial reaction of those who had seen him. I simply took issue with Trousers who was looking forward to laughing at those who were initially unimpressed when they are "proved wrong". My point is that it is quite easy to be unimpressed by a player's early performances and to later consider them an excellent player. It does not mean you have been "proved wrong", it is merely acknowledging that when players are settling in they can be 'unimpressive' and give a performance that everyone considers unimpressive. This was a general view and not specific to Lee. An apology is not necessary, and, on early evidence, unlikely. I am happy to be proved wrong. If a player shows better form after 6 months in a new team and environment than they did on arrival it does not prove those who were initially unimpressed with him "wrong". It simply means that initially they were unimpressive. HTH Okay then my friend. Try not to lose sleep over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 27 February, 2012 Share Posted 27 February, 2012 Indeed it is hilarious victor. Avenue saint has no self awareness and has made himself look a bit simple as you said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 27 February, 2012 Share Posted 27 February, 2012 Indeed it is hilarious victor. Avenue saint has no self awareness and has made himself look a bit simple as you said. Lol at the forum idiot trying to make friends. Ever wondered why you get so much stick and why so many people have you on ignore? Lol... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 27 February, 2012 Share Posted 27 February, 2012 Lol at the forum idiot trying to make friends. Ever wondered why you get so much stick and why so many people have you on ignore? Lol... No one has me on ignore to my knowledge. Unless you are in pm dialogue with a number of posters about me (which would be extremely weird but not something that would surprise me) then I don't know how you could possibly know that either. The majority of 'stick' as you put It comes from the same four or five posters: buctootim, yourself, gingeletiss, thedelldays (who just likes to take the opposing view for the sake of an argument) and smirking saint. Two of those are on ignore and have been for sometime. It makes the messageboard a lot more readable. Thankfully, the vast majority are able to debate sensibly and without following a poster such as myself around the board and deliberately trying to bait them. The likes of spudgun, minty, old nick and trousers are examples of long term posters who funnily enough are able to disagree with me and address the points raised in an argument without resorting to the troll-like rubbish that the five I mentioned routinely come out with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 27 February, 2012 Share Posted 27 February, 2012 I simply took issue with Trousers who was looking forward to laughing at those who were initially unimpressed when they are "proved wrong". It will be a discreet chuckle rather than rumbustious laughter. HTH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 27 February, 2012 Share Posted 27 February, 2012 It will be a discreet chuckle rather than rumbustious laughter. HTH. But do you not agree trousers that it is ok to be unimpressed by a player who then has a subsequent upturn in form? I don't think that applies here as lee has done well IMO but I can see the point of view. It would only prove the poster who was unimpressed wrong if they had predicted that the poor form in their eyes would continue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 27 February, 2012 Share Posted 27 February, 2012 But do you not agree trousers that it is ok to be unimpressed by a player who then has a subsequent upturn in form? I don't think that applies here as lee has done well IMO but I can see the point of view. It would only prove the poster who was unimpressed wrong if they had predicted that the poor form in their eyes would continue. My original post was a little sloppy TBH. It was supposed to be tongue-in-cheek but, looking back, it probably didn't come across 'jovial' enough. I guess if there was a semi-serious undertone to where I was coming from is that I tend not to pass any comment or judgement on a new player until they've been around for a while. That's not to say initial impressions aren't valid, it's just not something I tend to post. What gives me "pleasure" is seeing players who go on to blossum after a perceived indifferent or 'not setting the world alight' start. Ergo, my flippant tendancies aside, the pleasure I allude to is not directed at anyone in particular, it's just a nice thing to see happen in general. In the same way its not nice to see a new player set the world alight in his first few games then drift away thereafter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted 27 February, 2012 Share Posted 27 February, 2012 Boys, give it a rest.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 27 February, 2012 Share Posted 27 February, 2012 Boys, give it a rest.. Some hope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aardvark Posted 27 February, 2012 Share Posted 27 February, 2012 Boys, give it a rest.. He started it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 27 February, 2012 Share Posted 27 February, 2012 So anyway, looked at the all angles, Chung does seem to put himself about a bit,puts in a handy midfield tackle or two as well.Holds the ball up and makes a bit of a nuisance of himself where you don't usually expect to find strikers.Penalty looks pretty authentic as well,don't think you're allowed to just barge a player over when he hasn't got the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 27 February, 2012 Share Posted 27 February, 2012 He started it! Very much so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stanley Saint Posted 27 February, 2012 Share Posted 27 February, 2012 I loved the way that he was directing Lambert where to place his header as soon as the ball was played into him for the move that won the penalty from Watford. Best Saints arm-waving I've seen since Eyal Berkovic (who moved his arms about in a 'directing play' style more than he moved his legs). As Lee's confidence grows I think he's going to give us options with his movement, just as Connoly did last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintdownunder Posted 27 February, 2012 Share Posted 27 February, 2012 I`ve seen him play a couple of times in the Asian championship over here and once he comes to grip with the culture shock. Go on to you tube and have a look at the winning goal of the Asian cup final against Australia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvaughanwilliams Posted 27 February, 2012 Share Posted 27 February, 2012 From the home games that he's played, I've been very impressed with his movement. He is always looking to make a run in behind the defenders, but I was a little frustrated that the midfield or full backs weren't passing to him. I think that this contributes to people under rating him. When the other players get to know the kind of runs that he wants to make and understand the angle and weight of pass that will best pick out these runs, he will then suddenly look like a much better player, even though he won't have changed anything. It might not be until next season, after a full pre-season with the squad. Also having him playing on the shoulder of the defenders allows Lambert to drop deep to pick up the ball in space and allow players like Lallana and Guly to play between the opposition's midfield and defence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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